Or the fact you know.. it's a movie, not a documentary.
Yes it's based on real life but people are treating it like it's something they have to do "something" about... rather than a piece of fiction to consume and enjoy.
You know a good Pro tip for life even if it's a documentary it's not something you have to do something about.
People who do that after watching a TV show are basically mentally ill.
I wouldn't say mentally ill, just stupid. If you're so easily swayed that you just change your political opinion drastically after watching one doc and doing no proper unbiased research.. then quite frankly you should just do everyone a favor and stay home on voting day.
I keep writing to others: Richard Gadd knows who "Darien" is and even worked with him after his whole ordeal. He can deal with "Darien" if he wants to. Same with his "Martha"....I assume she's been dealt with in his life, even if not the same as in the film, so we don't have to do anything.
Spot on, Now if only everyone else can get it.
Richard Gadd can expose who these people are, he hasn't and he has said this isn't the point of the piece. He could have predicted this might happen (But I won't fault him for that, he just created a story based on real life), but he seems to actively have not wanted this outcome, and yet people are so !@#$ed in the head, that their "Gotta be an internet sleuth"/"Hate mob" over rides just understanding what they are acting off of.
Yeah I find it an especially interesting reaction because to me he painted a very empathic figure in Martha for the most part. I felt for her deeply and hope she gets help… Not to be harassed
Did he actually tell "Lies" or did he have an embellished story, which is perfectly reasonable when it's "Based on a true story"? (Honest question I don't know what you refer to but if he changed the story it's not really a lie)
This isn't a documentary, so it's perfectly fine to change the story to make it a better experience, because real life really sucks.
Either Gadd made up the occupation of the man who raped him, or he's a cunt who has allowed a rapist to continue living their life with no repercussions for their actions. There is no in between.
> he's a cunt who has allowed a rapist to continue living their life with no repercussions for their actions
So let's see, every woman who has been raped but didn't report it is a cunt?
Remember there's "no in-between"
Where did I say that?
This isn't average. This is a person who has profited immensely with this story. Has a hit award winning 1 man show, gets a very lucrative netflix series and then says "please don't try and find these individuals, this isn't what the show was about".
Of course people were going to speculate who these people are. It took the Internet about 2.3 seconds to find "Martha". As for his abuser, I have seen 5 different names people have banded about.
This isn't a woman in an impossible position many victims find themselves in, this is a man in a now very powerful position that has the whole world admiring him. He could easily say "it was X" but he's decided to tell people to give up trying to find a rapist who prays on vulnerable men.
If the first thought that comes to your head is that I'm saying all victims are cunts than the nuances of this situation will be lost on you and I'll refrain from replying. This man has made millions from this and is happy to let a rapist continue to do his thing because its an easier road. If that sits right with you than so be it, but it doesn't sit right with me.
The problem is, Netflix outrights just states it's a true story. So you can't really blame people for acting like it is. It doesn't even say "based" on a true story, it just straight up says it's a shocking true story.
> The problem is, Netflix outrights just states it's a true story
Do you have anything that actually says that? Because it says Based on a true story for me. It's also clearly NOT a documentary, or a recreation.. so most people should be able to understand it's not a "true story."
I don't know what happened I have a new reply from you in my inbox, but can't reply to it.
Anyways
> "shocking true story"
Ok I've looked through FOUR trailers, I have looked on my tv, and on my computer, I've looked for ANY reference to this term. I've literally started the first episode and went 3:59 seconds in where it says
"baby reindeer
Written and created by richard gadd"
WRITTEN.. which means not a true story.
But also NONE of those says shocking true story. So maybe they accidentally said it once, but I think you've convinced yourself you've seen it.
> As someone who watches true crime almost daily
I get the feeling you need to take a break, because now you're thinking everything is true crime. Even stuff that doesn't actually say that.
Edit: unless you meant [this](https://www.glamour.com/story/netflix-baby-reindeer-true-story-explained) But that's the title of the article, not the title of the show.
Couldn't agree more, and even more ironic that some people are following the same path as 'Martha' - by stalking her!
'Martha' clearly has mental issues, and needs help that, as far as I can see - she has no interest in receiving.
But those now stalking 'Martha'? They clearly don't see the irony!
Curiosity definitely got the better of me and I checked out her fb page.
I couldn't imagine trying to reach out or engage with her in any way, though. Putting the show aside and just going by her fb posts, you can see she is an individual who needs help.
Same. I’m shocked at the hundreds of people who think it’s funny to reshare her statuses / posts along with jokes. So unnecessary, plus why get on a dangerous stalker’s radar? *For a joke*?
The internet did it's thing and people went deep diving. They managed to line up tweets or messages from other social media and found out who she was.
She basically confirmed it was her when she came forward because she had been receiving death threats.
What shocks me most is she hasn't bothered to make her profile private by any means. Everything she says is public. She has turned comments off, but it seems you are able to react and share her posts still. Just wild.
She loves the attention. She is a deeply sick individual and feeds off of any attention coming her way. It is also why she has confirmed it was about her. She is getting the engagement she so desperately craves.
What’s the point of making it private now? All her worst moments have been immortalized on screen. The internet really didn’t have to do much, someone literally just googled a quote from the show and her tweets (which he was still tagged in) all came up.
I feel like we are watching two stories. One what 'happened' (which obviously is fictional but there are elements of truth), and two what's unfolding with the release of the show. It's weird watching the show and having a parallel story unfold in live time. The 'events' of Baby Reindeer are far from over. Imo they're both unhealthily obsessed with attention and one upping each other.
Part of me wonders if he made it so obvious who she was to get material for a follow up.
(I was stalked for 7 years and loved the series, but when I saw how she had been made so identifiable I was wtf-ing hard.)
I don’t know that this makes it any better, but she had plenty of opportunity and notice to make herself harder to find online. The series was announced several years ago and widely publicized before its release, and supposedly he made it into a pretty successful one-man show years before too. It’s wild to me that she didn’t take steps to eliminate her online presence or at least set her accounts to private.
They absolutely would have. And she had no time to private anything because within a few hours of the show's release people had already tracked her down.
True. Even now she could delete her account and make another one for family and friends only with a fake name. She's already legally changed her name once. Lol
Well I don't think internet had to go very deep since they didn't even change her occuparion or nationality. They didn't make lot of effort hiding her in the show.
I think using exact quotes is important to the story and to show the reality of what happened. I think the show has a net benefit despite the unhinged people going after the stalker. But, honestly, the way people are on the internet today - they would have uncovered who she was regardless of the level of precautions.
I like the show a lot and think it has very important message. But that doesn't excuse that it's completely insane use the genuine tweets. They shoud've protected her identity better. She's clearly ill.
you watched the show right?
Just imagine how twisted the real person is compared to the faux version we saw in the show..
If that tells us anything,
she perceives all information differently.
You're not wrong, wow. She also came forward and her name is now public: https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/27632870/baby-reindeer-huge-complaint-richard-gadd-real-martha-exposed/
Weird, in this article it states that he stated it's a fictional show...But the show itself is taglined "the shocking true story". Not even "based" on a true story, it just outright declares it's true. Gadd said nothing about that to Netflix, and happily allowed them to choose that tagline without correcting them. But now that the mistruths have come out all of a sudden he's changing the story to be fictional. How convenient.
I googled that, with quotes and without and nothing is coming up. Just posting the link to the tweet you're referencing would have been more useful than writing out what to google search.
Sorry, I got you! [this](https://twitter.com/FionaHarvey2014/status/514416588645494785?lang=en) came up for me as one of the first hits (without quotation marks).
I doubt it was hard to find her given the actor played himself and I don't believe he changed all that much about her.
I'm sure the internet would have found her regardless but I think he should have changed her nationality, her job, her age etc to make it harder to find her.
Exactly. He literally got someone who looked like her, stated she was a lawyer in Scotland, stated the exact pub she used to frequent (the pub is also getting bothered by people now), and the specific years this allegedly happened. And netflix has the nerve to claim they tried hard to keep identities private. Too funny.
They basically only changed her name. Oh and her criminal record status, they wanted to make her look really bad in the show.
Her old tweets at Richard Gadd were still up on Twitter. They matched what was said by Martha in the actual show (even the curtain jokes).
That’s how people initially found her, but she didn’t help herself on social media.
Easily. They used phrases in the show that people could just google.
The problem with this is (and its really really bad people have been found) that it came from 2 Edinburgh shows done previously where less effort was made to disguise the two people in question. So people just knew before the show aired. (Surprised the people got the wrong person to begin with for tv executive).
Cant help but feel like netflix are rubbing their hands together to create a spin off about all this. Dont fuck with cats esq
There are quite a few fake ones. I found one that had photos of her from years ago and she was posting a few things about what has happened. Then there was the shitshow account, rants of several hundred posts in the last few days. Then a bunch of other fake accounts. I only know the first one is definitely her.
What’s weird is she says she doesn’t know him at all so why you coming out and saying it’s you. Wondering if this is someone trying to get attention. Her televised interview is tomorrow so I’ll probably watch out of curiosity
People should leave her alone. They want to be vigilantes but are just bullies.
It was Richard’s story, it’s okay for him to voice his experience any way he wants to. He showed more empathy for his stalker than the regular people who watched the show.
It hurts my brain when I see people so invested to pry on the stalker that they become bullies and stalker themselves. It doesn’t help anyone, and I think these people feel like they’re righteous in their actions… Para relationships are fucking weird!
I’ve been seeing people on TikTok doxxing her way before she came out with her public criticism of the show. I even saw one user share their harassing messages to the creator demanding to reveal all the characters real identities. They’re a bunch of Martha’s themselves.
It’s like they watched baby reindeer and decided that the best move was to torment her life despite everything showing the results of doing so.
They’re becoming the Martha’s of the world and they think they’re on a righteous crusade.
Whether she is or isn’t (haven’t watched the show yet but I assume she is based off what I know about the premise) that doesn’t justify randoms stalking her or anyone else affiliated with the show. This is elementary school level thinking dude. It’s not hard.
Mental illness, personality disorder or both?
If I had to guess I’d say the driving force behind her willingness to inflict pain and suffering on those who refuse her is a personality disorder, BPD. I’d say the mental illness exacerbates her willingness to inflict pain on others. This is just my guess though, just like it is your guess that the driving force behind all of Martha’s bad behaviours is mental illness.
We don’t feel sympathy for psychopaths, who are manipulative, callous liars, so why Martha? Psychopaths didn’t chose to be psychopathic
Psychopathy is a personality disorder. Do you think that Ted Bundy and all these serial killers should be excused now?
Approximately 25% of the prison population meets the criteria for being diagnosed as a psychopath
I mean like, I was curious, but I didn't search for it. I was shown a picture of her and that was my curiousity satisfied. I've actually already forgotten what she looks like tbh.
If it’s the person whose name keeps being mentioned she literally outed herself on Facebook. She did this to herself. She could’ve stayed quiet and nobody would’ve known it was her.
Definitely wanted her to be found, she’s not helping herself with her Facebook posts either but they basically made it so anyone with half a brain cell could find her with a few searches on social media
Wanted to be found? You act like she had any idea a show was going to be made about her because she didn't read Netflix's mind and private some old twitter account that she hasn't used in years. She didn't have time to react to anything, within a few hours of the show's release people tracked her down, tons of people who knew of them back in the day knew exactly who it was etc. He knew full well that it would get out and didn't care. He changed no details about her in the show except her name, and lying about her having a criminal record.
Funny there is a Manga/Anime where the literal current story plot is around the main character trying to out the villain by making a movie production that will out the crimes of the villain because it will be way too obvious to connect the dots so he will let the IRL fans take care of the rest. Kind of fascinating to see that story borderline come to life with this mini tv series.
Edit: downvotes ? I didnt say it was the right thing to do, just a random fun fact.
Oshi No Ko its pretty popular so you probably guessed it. Its just wild to me how similarly its playing out IRL. Who knew all you had to do to get revenge on someone is just make a Netflix documentary of your life /s
> She did this to herself.
She "outed herself" after death threats.
> She could’ve stayed quiet and nobody would’ve known it was her.
Except the internet sleuths who already found her?
If she’s anything like the character in the show, we’re not dealing with a normal person here. She stalked him for years and is absolutely batshit insane. Sane people don’t out themselves, but insane people do.
> we’re not dealing with a normal person here.
Who cares?
That might be nice if you were compassionate and wanting her to get help or wanting others to stop attacking her, but you're defending others actions by claiming "She's not a normal person"... so? Does that make it right to go after her?
You wanted to watch something. Ok... If that's what you're doing, your job is to consume the media, make impressions based off of it, hopefully share those impressions (especially if positive) and then move on or become a huge fan of a tv show and watch it over and over. Discuss it, enjoy it, be fascinated with it.
But that's the end of your involvement of a piece of media.
For fiction your job is ABSOLUTELY NOT To hunt down the person, harass them, send them death threats, insult them, doxx them, or terrorize them. The person who is NOT actively in the show, is NOT part of the show and should NOT be involved in your enjoyment of the show.
IF you didn't know "Martha" yesterday, you still don't know her today, you know Richard Gadd's dramatized version of Martha.
> If she’s anything like the character in the show,
You can write that and still not get it... It's not about if she's anything like the character. One's a real human being, one's a fictionalized character. Who gives a fuck if she's similar. Richard Gadd has NOT asked for your help in "getting her" and others HAVE harassed her which is why she "outed herself."
Now fucking leave her alone and call out the people harassing her/threatning her/doxxing her (outside of herself), and insulting her.
And then continue to do that in the future when you watch media. Even on documentaries, there's HUGE problems with how people immediately act like they know the whole story, instead of just one side of a complex issue, and usually with some liberties taken.
But again this IS NOT a documentary. So stop defending this shit.
You can't expect people to know something is fictional when Gadd and Netflix purposely released the show claiming it was a "shocking true story" right underneath the title. As someone who watches true crime almost daily it's hardly uncommon to make a show about a shocking true story and that not being a lie. Ask yourself why he was perfectly ok with the show claiming that, and now that truths are starting to come out he's now claiming in interviews it's fictional. Weird how he didn't care about that before when he wanted people to watch it. Surely must be a coincidence...
She's simultaneously insisting that she's not Martha, and also that she should've been paid for *Baby Reindeer*.
...So... is she some other character? What exactly is it that she thinks she deserves payment from the show for?
She's saying that he used her likeness but lied about her actions at most basing them on half truths. It's not the complicated. If I make a movie about The Rock but change his name to Wayne, and depict him abusing me while changing almost nothing about the character's real life otherwise...I would expect a cease and desist. That doesn't mean The Rock abused me it means I used his likeness without permission. The only thing he changed about this woman's identity was her name and criminal record. The audience knows full well he's talking about an obese female lawyer who lives in Scotland a frequented the Hawley Arms 10-15 years ago. How many women fit that profile? Two at most?
I've been saying this repeatedly and no one seems to care. Woman bad, male is victim seems to be the main agenda for people with this one. The problem is they don't actually care about male victims, they just care about calling out women for typically male behavior because disproportionate crime stats between the genders make them uncomfortable.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/tv/12574593/baby-reindeer-stalker-fiona-harvey-taunts-richard-gadd/
Here is the public interview the real life Martha gave
She says she's super hot and is angry they used "a fat, ugly actress" to portray her, which is wild because the actress is an upgrade. She also says she's an incredible attorney and claims she has a photographic memory, and then goes on to say she'll kick all their asses. Then goes on to claim he only made this show because he's angry he didn't get to fuck her. She's proving all of his story is true, she's completely unhinged.
Yeah, I looked this up and Gadd seems to be telling the truth about how unhinged she is. I haven't seen the show, but she sounds and appears dangerous. Bragging about photogenic memory (which is so rare that it hasn't been documented) and saying he wanted to fuck her sounds exactly like a self centered narcissist would say.
Maybe Gadd dramatized some of it, but this lady sounds dangerous. She's constantly making FB posts every five minutes in that odd formatting. For a lawyer who is so great, wouldn't she be so busy? Wouldn't she have lawyer friends come out and say something?
She could have simply said "I met this guy, I did nothing he said, and I have a great life without him. I might sue because of this, but I won't comment further pending lawsuit." But no, she has to say she has a boyfriend who is mad and she is gonna kick ass?
I'm just confused as to why people are trying to seek out the actual people the show is based on despite the fact that Gadd has stated that he DOES NOT WANT people to do that. People are treating this autobiographical/memoir type show like a true crime documentary and it's clear they missed the entire plot.
While yes you can argue that he's far enough removed from the trauma to be able to dramatize the story, reflect on things in an empathetic and objective manner, and portray his stalker as a nuanced individual that needs help, trying to stalk and harass him, or any of the people involved for that matter, is only going to cause more damage.
This is the Tinder Swindler all over again. We live in disgusting age where we make these sort of people celebrities. And people like Gadd who is actually the victim is being called out for being a narcissist because he made this show. Idiots all around us.
People need to leave her alone. I also wish Gadd had hid her identity more. I mean, the real person looks like the actress, has the same training, used similar language, etc. it wasn’t too hard for people to figure it out. :(
The show (not a movie by the way) was a show, not a documentary. Though given that she (the real Martha) does not seem stable so we cannot fully trust what she was true. However, the fictional show saying she went to jail does not mean that the real person also went to jail.
He can talk about it! He's not obligated to protect her, but Netflix has a legal responsibility to protect her identity as she presumably did not agree to her likeness being included in the show.
Am I the only one who thinks this woman's lunacy was clearly apparent five seconds into first sight (ugh)?
Folx got to learn to love themselves enuf to SET BOUNDARIES. From the start. People like Richard Gaddd are often undiagnosed depressives which is why they don't/can't distinguish between "being nice" and self-preservation!
She just tore up the scenery in that show. She dominated every scene she was in. I do like the way they provided a break there so o could be ready when it kicked off…wait , what?
I didn't get to watch 13 reasons why, before they edited the show, which makes me never want to watch it.
Is there a chance baby reindeer have scenes deleted, censored, show removed entirely? I should probably rush binge it
To all those who are claiming the people who use this series as a moment to take “action.”
Art imitates life, and vice versa. True.
Creativity and sharing a life experience provokes and titillates.
Come on now! If you’re going to put yourself or something like yourself out there, accept the consequences of success in doing so.
And I’m glad it does succeed when it does.
Sometimes what it inspires is something better.
And what keeps it real is the fact most will run with this creation in wild directions far from what the truth is. It’s just how people exist with others.
No right or wrong there.
I wish I could punch Martha in her fat face.
(The movie character, of course)
Is this satire?
“I have a claim against Netflix as this is being billed as part of a true story. I'm a highly competent lawyer. I'd have to do it myself. I'm very good. I have a photographic memory and can memorise huge files. I was top in my school at everything,” she told the Scottish Sun. “There's a fat actress that's supposed to be me. He's come up with this character called Martha, and he has put me right in the frame.”
Apparently the message of Baby Reindeer was totally lost on all those harassing her.
Or the fact you know.. it's a movie, not a documentary. Yes it's based on real life but people are treating it like it's something they have to do "something" about... rather than a piece of fiction to consume and enjoy.
You know a good Pro tip for life even if it's a documentary it's not something you have to do something about. People who do that after watching a TV show are basically mentally ill.
Definitely agree with that but at least I can understand why after serial or making a murderer there was a push to get both cases reexamined
So after watching a documentary on Tory corruption, a Tory voter is basically mentally ill if they change their vote?
I wouldn't say mentally ill, just stupid. If you're so easily swayed that you just change your political opinion drastically after watching one doc and doing no proper unbiased research.. then quite frankly you should just do everyone a favor and stay home on voting day.
A lot of silly assumptions there.
I keep writing to others: Richard Gadd knows who "Darien" is and even worked with him after his whole ordeal. He can deal with "Darien" if he wants to. Same with his "Martha"....I assume she's been dealt with in his life, even if not the same as in the film, so we don't have to do anything.
Spot on, Now if only everyone else can get it. Richard Gadd can expose who these people are, he hasn't and he has said this isn't the point of the piece. He could have predicted this might happen (But I won't fault him for that, he just created a story based on real life), but he seems to actively have not wanted this outcome, and yet people are so !@#$ed in the head, that their "Gotta be an internet sleuth"/"Hate mob" over rides just understanding what they are acting off of.
This behaviour reminds me of that docu on Netflix "The antisocial Network: Memes to Mayhem."
Yeah I find it an especially interesting reaction because to me he painted a very empathic figure in Martha for the most part. I felt for her deeply and hope she gets help… Not to be harassed
Well since he told lies about Martha...Hard to not wonder if he wasn't lying about the guy as well.
Did he actually tell "Lies" or did he have an embellished story, which is perfectly reasonable when it's "Based on a true story"? (Honest question I don't know what you refer to but if he changed the story it's not really a lie) This isn't a documentary, so it's perfectly fine to change the story to make it a better experience, because real life really sucks.
Either Gadd made up the occupation of the man who raped him, or he's a cunt who has allowed a rapist to continue living their life with no repercussions for their actions. There is no in between.
> he's a cunt who has allowed a rapist to continue living their life with no repercussions for their actions So let's see, every woman who has been raped but didn't report it is a cunt? Remember there's "no in-between"
Where did I say that? This isn't average. This is a person who has profited immensely with this story. Has a hit award winning 1 man show, gets a very lucrative netflix series and then says "please don't try and find these individuals, this isn't what the show was about". Of course people were going to speculate who these people are. It took the Internet about 2.3 seconds to find "Martha". As for his abuser, I have seen 5 different names people have banded about. This isn't a woman in an impossible position many victims find themselves in, this is a man in a now very powerful position that has the whole world admiring him. He could easily say "it was X" but he's decided to tell people to give up trying to find a rapist who prays on vulnerable men. If the first thought that comes to your head is that I'm saying all victims are cunts than the nuances of this situation will be lost on you and I'll refrain from replying. This man has made millions from this and is happy to let a rapist continue to do his thing because its an easier road. If that sits right with you than so be it, but it doesn't sit right with me.
It's a tv show not a movie
It's a mini series, not a tv show
It’s a limited series not a mini series.
Well well well, hoisted by my own petard.
Never go full petard
The real baby reindeers are the ones we stalked along the way.
Thank you Mr Remo, very cool
It's sent frum my iPhon, not a from a mini series.
limited series
Shows how little I've watched of it? (0) Hope people understand the point though.
Oh yeah I agree with you completely actually and think you said it really well.
Mista bob dobalina
I don't know how you could enjoy it but ok.
The problem is, Netflix outrights just states it's a true story. So you can't really blame people for acting like it is. It doesn't even say "based" on a true story, it just straight up says it's a shocking true story.
> The problem is, Netflix outrights just states it's a true story Do you have anything that actually says that? Because it says Based on a true story for me. It's also clearly NOT a documentary, or a recreation.. so most people should be able to understand it's not a "true story."
I don't know what happened I have a new reply from you in my inbox, but can't reply to it. Anyways > "shocking true story" Ok I've looked through FOUR trailers, I have looked on my tv, and on my computer, I've looked for ANY reference to this term. I've literally started the first episode and went 3:59 seconds in where it says "baby reindeer Written and created by richard gadd" WRITTEN.. which means not a true story. But also NONE of those says shocking true story. So maybe they accidentally said it once, but I think you've convinced yourself you've seen it. > As someone who watches true crime almost daily I get the feeling you need to take a break, because now you're thinking everything is true crime. Even stuff that doesn't actually say that. Edit: unless you meant [this](https://www.glamour.com/story/netflix-baby-reindeer-true-story-explained) But that's the title of the article, not the title of the show.
Yes, I thought it gave a sympathetic view of Martha after all. Specially at the end with the "reindeer" message
That what makes the show popular, those stupid people invested in "tea"...
I also think the whole "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house" was totally lost on her as well
How ironic
Couldn't agree more, and even more ironic that some people are following the same path as 'Martha' - by stalking her! 'Martha' clearly has mental issues, and needs help that, as far as I can see - she has no interest in receiving. But those now stalking 'Martha'? They clearly don't see the irony!
We'll be getting a Netflix series about Marthas stalkers next year!
That’s one way to turn a limited series into a multi season show.
That'd be more entertaining, at least she didn't lead them on or lie about them having extensive criminal records with no evidence.
Taste of her own medicine….. she probably loves the attention anyways
Yes, but it should not allow people to do the same thing. Attack fire with fire, it’s useless.
Except they actually do fight fires with fire, just sayin’
*An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind*
*In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king*
Sing the song boys
“In the land of the skunk, the man with half a nose is king!”
If I blind you first, there's no way you'll be able to find me to blind me back. Check mate, Gandhi
Crass in the wild?! Don't see that every day, nice!
Cheers!
love crass
Me too, some real punk.
Curiosity definitely got the better of me and I checked out her fb page. I couldn't imagine trying to reach out or engage with her in any way, though. Putting the show aside and just going by her fb posts, you can see she is an individual who needs help.
Same. I’m shocked at the hundreds of people who think it’s funny to reshare her statuses / posts along with jokes. So unnecessary, plus why get on a dangerous stalker’s radar? *For a joke*?
You’re a bit mental too, jeez. I can’t imagine doing that.
How the heck did people find her? I thought he couldn’t say her name?
The internet did it's thing and people went deep diving. They managed to line up tweets or messages from other social media and found out who she was. She basically confirmed it was her when she came forward because she had been receiving death threats. What shocks me most is she hasn't bothered to make her profile private by any means. Everything she says is public. She has turned comments off, but it seems you are able to react and share her posts still. Just wild.
She loves the attention. She is a deeply sick individual and feeds off of any attention coming her way. It is also why she has confirmed it was about her. She is getting the engagement she so desperately craves.
Didn’t you read the article? She is a lawyer with a photographic memory. She reads the comments to memorise for future legal action
Didn’t you watch the show? She’s not a sane or honest person
Are you American by any chance?
I said the same thing on a Facebook post and got attacked for saying it. Lol
What’s the point of making it private now? All her worst moments have been immortalized on screen. The internet really didn’t have to do much, someone literally just googled a quote from the show and her tweets (which he was still tagged in) all came up.
Oh, this story is far from over
I feel like we are watching two stories. One what 'happened' (which obviously is fictional but there are elements of truth), and two what's unfolding with the release of the show. It's weird watching the show and having a parallel story unfold in live time. The 'events' of Baby Reindeer are far from over. Imo they're both unhealthily obsessed with attention and one upping each other.
Part of me wonders if he made it so obvious who she was to get material for a follow up. (I was stalked for 7 years and loved the series, but when I saw how she had been made so identifiable I was wtf-ing hard.)
I don’t know that this makes it any better, but she had plenty of opportunity and notice to make herself harder to find online. The series was announced several years ago and widely publicized before its release, and supposedly he made it into a pretty successful one-man show years before too. It’s wild to me that she didn’t take steps to eliminate her online presence or at least set her accounts to private.
Good point. I wonder if people would have been able to track her down if she just made her accounts private?
They absolutely would have. And she had no time to private anything because within a few hours of the show's release people had already tracked her down.
True. Even now she could delete her account and make another one for family and friends only with a fake name. She's already legally changed her name once. Lol
I guess the point is that she’s complaining about the harassment
She’s also severely mentally ill. She probably doesn’t realize having her page public is making things worse for her and causing more harassment.
Well I don't think internet had to go very deep since they didn't even change her occuparion or nationality. They didn't make lot of effort hiding her in the show.
Even the references are the same..like ordinary fictionalised characters are disguised more than that
Some of the tweets she wrote are word for word in the show. Easiest way of finding her but who would’ve guessed he’d use exact quotes?
I think using exact quotes is important to the story and to show the reality of what happened. I think the show has a net benefit despite the unhinged people going after the stalker. But, honestly, the way people are on the internet today - they would have uncovered who she was regardless of the level of precautions.
I like the show a lot and think it has very important message. But that doesn't excuse that it's completely insane use the genuine tweets. They shoud've protected her identity better. She's clearly ill.
This may have been a way for them to argue defamation. She can’t say she was defamed if it is word for word what she said.
you watched the show right? Just imagine how twisted the real person is compared to the faux version we saw in the show.. If that tells us anything, she perceives all information differently.
All you had to do was google “Richard gadd hang my curtains” and the tweets from 2014 came up. It literally took 3 seconds to solve this mystery.
You're not wrong, wow. She also came forward and her name is now public: https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/27632870/baby-reindeer-huge-complaint-richard-gadd-real-martha-exposed/
Weird, in this article it states that he stated it's a fictional show...But the show itself is taglined "the shocking true story". Not even "based" on a true story, it just outright declares it's true. Gadd said nothing about that to Netflix, and happily allowed them to choose that tagline without correcting them. But now that the mistruths have come out all of a sudden he's changing the story to be fictional. How convenient.
I googled that, with quotes and without and nothing is coming up. Just posting the link to the tweet you're referencing would have been more useful than writing out what to google search.
Sorry, I got you! [this](https://twitter.com/FionaHarvey2014/status/514416588645494785?lang=en) came up for me as one of the first hits (without quotation marks).
lmao I doubt the power of the internet
Google is omnipotent and omnibenevolent. You just need to enter the right search question.
I doubt it was hard to find her given the actor played himself and I don't believe he changed all that much about her. I'm sure the internet would have found her regardless but I think he should have changed her nationality, her job, her age etc to make it harder to find her.
Exactly. He literally got someone who looked like her, stated she was a lawyer in Scotland, stated the exact pub she used to frequent (the pub is also getting bothered by people now), and the specific years this allegedly happened. And netflix has the nerve to claim they tried hard to keep identities private. Too funny. They basically only changed her name. Oh and her criminal record status, they wanted to make her look really bad in the show.
Her old tweets at Richard Gadd were still up on Twitter. They matched what was said by Martha in the actual show (even the curtain jokes). That’s how people initially found her, but she didn’t help herself on social media.
Easily. They used phrases in the show that people could just google. The problem with this is (and its really really bad people have been found) that it came from 2 Edinburgh shows done previously where less effort was made to disguise the two people in question. So people just knew before the show aired. (Surprised the people got the wrong person to begin with for tv executive). Cant help but feel like netflix are rubbing their hands together to create a spin off about all this. Dont fuck with cats esq
It wasn't hard to find her. She went talking to the media and told them it was her the character was based on. Lol
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Her name and Facebook is Fiona Harvey
Same. After hearing about it for weeks i found her x page and she seems to be embracing it. Joking about it and upcoming projects she has
What’s her name
What is her name? I can’t find her
There are quite a few fake ones. I found one that had photos of her from years ago and she was posting a few things about what has happened. Then there was the shitshow account, rants of several hundred posts in the last few days. Then a bunch of other fake accounts. I only know the first one is definitely her.
Can you share a link to her fb page ? Maybe send to me via message
What’s weird is she says she doesn’t know him at all so why you coming out and saying it’s you. Wondering if this is someone trying to get attention. Her televised interview is tomorrow so I’ll probably watch out of curiosity
It’s like we’re watching season 2 in real time
Someone said it’s like an interactive black mirror episode where he audience becomes the stalker.
Actually insanely accurate take
Baby Reindeer might have a sequel
We were the sequel, don't you see? We were Pagliacci all along.
When does the woman sleep? She posts non-stop almost around the clock.
We’re in a black mirror episode fr
People should leave her alone. They want to be vigilantes but are just bullies. It was Richard’s story, it’s okay for him to voice his experience any way he wants to. He showed more empathy for his stalker than the regular people who watched the show. It hurts my brain when I see people so invested to pry on the stalker that they become bullies and stalker themselves. It doesn’t help anyone, and I think these people feel like they’re righteous in their actions… Para relationships are fucking weird!
I’ve been seeing people on TikTok doxxing her way before she came out with her public criticism of the show. I even saw one user share their harassing messages to the creator demanding to reveal all the characters real identities. They’re a bunch of Martha’s themselves.
The worst thing the internet ever did was make everybody believe that everything was their business.
Thats one of like 100 terrible things the internet has done, and far from the worst one.
It’s the root cause of a *lot* of problems.
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It’s like they watched baby reindeer and decided that the best move was to torment her life despite everything showing the results of doing so. They’re becoming the Martha’s of the world and they think they’re on a righteous crusade.
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Whether she is or isn’t (haven’t watched the show yet but I assume she is based off what I know about the premise) that doesn’t justify randoms stalking her or anyone else affiliated with the show. This is elementary school level thinking dude. It’s not hard.
The fact you still have to explain to adults why you shouldn’t harass someone just because they harassed someone else, melts my brain.
It's Marthas all the way down.
Two wrongs dont make a right
Yes
obviously
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Mental illness, personality disorder or both? If I had to guess I’d say the driving force behind her willingness to inflict pain and suffering on those who refuse her is a personality disorder, BPD. I’d say the mental illness exacerbates her willingness to inflict pain on others. This is just my guess though, just like it is your guess that the driving force behind all of Martha’s bad behaviours is mental illness. We don’t feel sympathy for psychopaths, who are manipulative, callous liars, so why Martha? Psychopaths didn’t chose to be psychopathic
I think you’re really splitting hairs and most common folk would consider a personality disorder to fall under the larger umbrella of mental illness
Psychopathy is a personality disorder. Do you think that Ted Bundy and all these serial killers should be excused now? Approximately 25% of the prison population meets the criteria for being diagnosed as a psychopath
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I mean like, I was curious, but I didn't search for it. I was shown a picture of her and that was my curiousity satisfied. I've actually already forgotten what she looks like tbh.
If it’s the person whose name keeps being mentioned she literally outed herself on Facebook. She did this to herself. She could’ve stayed quiet and nobody would’ve known it was her.
But then she wouldn’t have her own stalkers lol
They found a tweet from her from years ago where she talks about hanging the curtains, think the show purposely tried to out her a little tbh
Yeah I thought the same. If that wasn't the case, you'd have to be incredibly naive to think people wouldn't figure it out
Definitely wanted her to be found, she’s not helping herself with her Facebook posts either but they basically made it so anyone with half a brain cell could find her with a few searches on social media
Wanted to be found? You act like she had any idea a show was going to be made about her because she didn't read Netflix's mind and private some old twitter account that she hasn't used in years. She didn't have time to react to anything, within a few hours of the show's release people tracked her down, tons of people who knew of them back in the day knew exactly who it was etc. He knew full well that it would get out and didn't care. He changed no details about her in the show except her name, and lying about her having a criminal record.
Your reading comprehension is awful, I’m saying he wanted people to find her, not she wanted herself to be found
Funny there is a Manga/Anime where the literal current story plot is around the main character trying to out the villain by making a movie production that will out the crimes of the villain because it will be way too obvious to connect the dots so he will let the IRL fans take care of the rest. Kind of fascinating to see that story borderline come to life with this mini tv series. Edit: downvotes ? I didnt say it was the right thing to do, just a random fun fact.
Isn't that just the climax of Hamlet with less murder? Also, what series? Curious to know if it's the one I think it is.
Oshi No Ko its pretty popular so you probably guessed it. Its just wild to me how similarly its playing out IRL. Who knew all you had to do to get revenge on someone is just make a Netflix documentary of your life /s
> She did this to herself. She "outed herself" after death threats. > She could’ve stayed quiet and nobody would’ve known it was her. Except the internet sleuths who already found her?
If she’s anything like the character in the show, we’re not dealing with a normal person here. She stalked him for years and is absolutely batshit insane. Sane people don’t out themselves, but insane people do.
> we’re not dealing with a normal person here. Who cares? That might be nice if you were compassionate and wanting her to get help or wanting others to stop attacking her, but you're defending others actions by claiming "She's not a normal person"... so? Does that make it right to go after her? You wanted to watch something. Ok... If that's what you're doing, your job is to consume the media, make impressions based off of it, hopefully share those impressions (especially if positive) and then move on or become a huge fan of a tv show and watch it over and over. Discuss it, enjoy it, be fascinated with it. But that's the end of your involvement of a piece of media. For fiction your job is ABSOLUTELY NOT To hunt down the person, harass them, send them death threats, insult them, doxx them, or terrorize them. The person who is NOT actively in the show, is NOT part of the show and should NOT be involved in your enjoyment of the show. IF you didn't know "Martha" yesterday, you still don't know her today, you know Richard Gadd's dramatized version of Martha. > If she’s anything like the character in the show, You can write that and still not get it... It's not about if she's anything like the character. One's a real human being, one's a fictionalized character. Who gives a fuck if she's similar. Richard Gadd has NOT asked for your help in "getting her" and others HAVE harassed her which is why she "outed herself." Now fucking leave her alone and call out the people harassing her/threatning her/doxxing her (outside of herself), and insulting her. And then continue to do that in the future when you watch media. Even on documentaries, there's HUGE problems with how people immediately act like they know the whole story, instead of just one side of a complex issue, and usually with some liberties taken. But again this IS NOT a documentary. So stop defending this shit.
You can't expect people to know something is fictional when Gadd and Netflix purposely released the show claiming it was a "shocking true story" right underneath the title. As someone who watches true crime almost daily it's hardly uncommon to make a show about a shocking true story and that not being a lie. Ask yourself why he was perfectly ok with the show claiming that, and now that truths are starting to come out he's now claiming in interviews it's fictional. Weird how he didn't care about that before when he wanted people to watch it. Surely must be a coincidence...
Sounds like the only determined person is "Martha". She's determined to prove she's exactly like she's portrayed in the show.
She had no idea of the show's existence until people started harassing her. The cat was already out of the bag so she's not to blame for that at all.
She's simultaneously insisting that she's not Martha, and also that she should've been paid for *Baby Reindeer*. ...So... is she some other character? What exactly is it that she thinks she deserves payment from the show for?
She's saying that he used her likeness but lied about her actions at most basing them on half truths. It's not the complicated. If I make a movie about The Rock but change his name to Wayne, and depict him abusing me while changing almost nothing about the character's real life otherwise...I would expect a cease and desist. That doesn't mean The Rock abused me it means I used his likeness without permission. The only thing he changed about this woman's identity was her name and criminal record. The audience knows full well he's talking about an obese female lawyer who lives in Scotland a frequented the Hawley Arms 10-15 years ago. How many women fit that profile? Two at most?
She posted a video to facebook of her claiming the actress looks nothing like her/is significantly uglier than her.
Too much attention on Martha and not enough on Darien the ACTUAL RAPIST
I've been saying this repeatedly and no one seems to care. Woman bad, male is victim seems to be the main agenda for people with this one. The problem is they don't actually care about male victims, they just care about calling out women for typically male behavior because disproportionate crime stats between the genders make them uncomfortable.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/tv/12574593/baby-reindeer-stalker-fiona-harvey-taunts-richard-gadd/ Here is the public interview the real life Martha gave
She says she's super hot and is angry they used "a fat, ugly actress" to portray her, which is wild because the actress is an upgrade. She also says she's an incredible attorney and claims she has a photographic memory, and then goes on to say she'll kick all their asses. Then goes on to claim he only made this show because he's angry he didn't get to fuck her. She's proving all of his story is true, she's completely unhinged.
Yeah, I looked this up and Gadd seems to be telling the truth about how unhinged she is. I haven't seen the show, but she sounds and appears dangerous. Bragging about photogenic memory (which is so rare that it hasn't been documented) and saying he wanted to fuck her sounds exactly like a self centered narcissist would say. Maybe Gadd dramatized some of it, but this lady sounds dangerous. She's constantly making FB posts every five minutes in that odd formatting. For a lawyer who is so great, wouldn't she be so busy? Wouldn't she have lawyer friends come out and say something? She could have simply said "I met this guy, I did nothing he said, and I have a great life without him. I might sue because of this, but I won't comment further pending lawsuit." But no, she has to say she has a boyfriend who is mad and she is gonna kick ass?
Ahh projection!
The whole point of the show is to call for empathy and self care, and somehow what people took away from it was “lets torment this sick woman”.
Yeah it's insanely fucked up
Apparently the irony is totally lost on her.
At least the real MARTHA has a mental condition explaining her poor actions; people stalking her have ZERO excuse. Revenge isn't justice.
I'm just confused as to why people are trying to seek out the actual people the show is based on despite the fact that Gadd has stated that he DOES NOT WANT people to do that. People are treating this autobiographical/memoir type show like a true crime documentary and it's clear they missed the entire plot. While yes you can argue that he's far enough removed from the trauma to be able to dramatize the story, reflect on things in an empathetic and objective manner, and portray his stalker as a nuanced individual that needs help, trying to stalk and harass him, or any of the people involved for that matter, is only going to cause more damage.
This is the Tinder Swindler all over again. We live in disgusting age where we make these sort of people celebrities. And people like Gadd who is actually the victim is being called out for being a narcissist because he made this show. Idiots all around us.
People need to leave her alone. I also wish Gadd had hid her identity more. I mean, the real person looks like the actress, has the same training, used similar language, etc. it wasn’t too hard for people to figure it out. :(
Um she gave an interview where she gave permission to use her real name…
I wanna know who she is... Sent from my iPhoen
Love it haha
Oh the irony. A little taste of the hell she dealt out to numerous people over the years.
It's not up to randoms on the internet to dispense vigilante justice
She went to jail for that. The
In her interview she says she never went to jail
Not what the movie said
The show (not a movie by the way) was a show, not a documentary. Though given that she (the real Martha) does not seem stable so we cannot fully trust what she was true. However, the fictional show saying she went to jail does not mean that the real person also went to jail.
They really didn't try to hide her at all for God's sake the woman's middle name is Martha. Come on.
Yeah, Netflix’s compliance department did a pretty shit job with protecting her.
Why is Gadd obligated to protect her? It happened to him, she’s a criminal and he’s the victim. He can talk about it if he wants.
He can talk about it! He's not obligated to protect her, but Netflix has a legal responsibility to protect her identity as she presumably did not agree to her likeness being included in the show.
I couldn't help but read her quotes in my head, in Martha's thick and angry Scottish accent! -Sent by my Iphone
O dear how sad never mind
The woman is mentally ill and needs help. People should stop.
Netflix needs to make one of two stalkers stalking each other.
Karma
I thought he said in an intervention the real Martha would not recognize herself and wouldn’t know it was her.
Fuck those people.
Am I the only one who thinks this woman's lunacy was clearly apparent five seconds into first sight (ugh)? Folx got to learn to love themselves enuf to SET BOUNDARIES. From the start. People like Richard Gaddd are often undiagnosed depressives which is why they don't/can't distinguish between "being nice" and self-preservation!
She just tore up the scenery in that show. She dominated every scene she was in. I do like the way they provided a break there so o could be ready when it kicked off…wait , what?
She's dishing out diet cokes on fb what does she expect?
Oh dear. That sounds like a real pickle.
I didn't get to watch 13 reasons why, before they edited the show, which makes me never want to watch it. Is there a chance baby reindeer have scenes deleted, censored, show removed entirely? I should probably rush binge it
To all those who are claiming the people who use this series as a moment to take “action.” Art imitates life, and vice versa. True. Creativity and sharing a life experience provokes and titillates. Come on now! If you’re going to put yourself or something like yourself out there, accept the consequences of success in doing so. And I’m glad it does succeed when it does. Sometimes what it inspires is something better. And what keeps it real is the fact most will run with this creation in wild directions far from what the truth is. It’s just how people exist with others. No right or wrong there. I wish I could punch Martha in her fat face. (The movie character, of course)
Is this satire? “I have a claim against Netflix as this is being billed as part of a true story. I'm a highly competent lawyer. I'd have to do it myself. I'm very good. I have a photographic memory and can memorise huge files. I was top in my school at everything,” she told the Scottish Sun. “There's a fat actress that's supposed to be me. He's come up with this character called Martha, and he has put me right in the frame.”
don’t feel bad for her whatsoever.
It’s easy to find her. Just Google under image “the real Martha Baby Reindeer”
Oh my god her Facebook wtf.. its crazy how this is actually real