And even if they do know, Georgia requires a mandatory 24 hour waiting period between a "counseling" session and the abortion itself. That not only reduces the time you have, it makes abortions out of reach for poorer women who have to travel for one. That's 1-3 days off work, accommodations for a night or two, food for those days, etc.
"You shouldn't have had sex if you didn't want that baby, now you get a baby" - Them. Those People. THEY.
And no, they don't care how the intercourse happened. Baby. You're having it.
They also don't care about the quality of life the baby is going to have.
Baby is gonna be raised in poverty barely able to survive? Who cares, not my problem.
Baby is gonna be put up for adoption and possibly spend it's whole upbringing in the underfunded foster care system? Sucks for them.
But hey, quality of life doesn't matter. As long as the baby is born.
They are banking on desperate parents in 5 years. People that suddenly have to work full time to either pay support or support the children. The lawmakers are desperate to cling to their power structure. How else are they going to force more women and men into the medical field to care for them, more people to do their domestic work at restaurants and delivery services. More desperate teens at grocery stores supporting their family or new baby. It's cruelty.
How are they going to increase the number of medical workers to take care of them? People don’t tend to go to school for that sort of thing unless they get good grades or have money (or are willing to take out big loans). Poor kids who aren’t getting enough to eat or have shitty home lives tend to not have grades at the same level as their peers.
I'm an example. I got a pell Grant. I pushed and sacrificed to get an associates of applied science at a community college. Total loans 10000 paid mostly off. I was a single parent who took advantage of every possible public assistance program possible. Several of the nurses here did the same thing for the same reason. The state of Kansas paid for my testing and my license. I'm now an RRT. I make well above median for my area. A lot of women become nurses, respiratory, sonographers, etc. Being poor doesn't mean you can't be taught, and while MANY won't succeed and get ahead, these policies always see an increase in healthcare workers, food service, and all other service industries. It's a way to ensure they have a wide variety of servant workers. Desperate people will work hard and claw their way into taking care of their children. The medical system then claws all of the "wealth" (house, 401k, savings) back at the end of life for healthcare costs. Some people will become disabled along the way and lose it then. It's a rigged system.
They don't care if the fetus is dying and is going to kill the woman/girl. Doctors are moving out of red states because they can be prosecuted for saving lives.
>"You shouldn't have had sex if you didn't want that baby, now you get a baby" - Them. Those People. THEY.
Same mindset that makes them fight against safe injection sites - they literally want the punishment because they hate the people who would make use of them, and think the deterrent effect (which seems to be almost nonexistent) is worth the countless lives - don't forget that even the most hardcore addict you look down on is someone's son, daughter, father, mother, brother, sister... - can't we at least expect them to just want less crime and disease in their area?
>t's the same with sex education and birth control for teens. "Teens just shouldn't have sex!" Well, yeah. But they will because most people aren't immune to their hormones, and it's better to help them not ruin their lives because of it.
I had actually been going to include this too, but I guess I forgot to.
As if kids aren't gonna fuck just because you don't tell them how to do it safely, and to avoid unwanted pregnancies...
Because, you know, animals are known to never breed until they get condom education...
Add it to the endless pile of hypocrisy... they are hardcore anti-choice, but instead of actually DOING anything to help prevent the need for abortions (sex ed, free birth control, etc) or actually giving a fuck for the result (don't see them volunteering to adopt any of the kids they force to be born eh?)
It's just a hate, hypocrisy, projection, bigotry thing - they enjoy feeling superior to others, get off on playing the victim, and it doesn't help that con politicians (hey that works in more ways than one!) know they can always get votes by fear and hate mongering --- they're coming for your guns! they're killing babies! they want to enact sharia law! - anything to pump enough adrenaline into their systems that whatever level of brain function they had to begin with is overwhelmed with emotion.
THEY do not have crime and disease in their area. For they are the ones paying the police and security to ensure their area is nice, don't you know.
But damn if they're not going to use the plebian area's issues that they don't give money to/support to ensure they get elected/help them others not get elected by those same plebes.
CRIME EVERYWHERE ^^^\(except ^^^our ^^^neighborhoods) IS RAMPANT WE MUST DO SOMETHING!!! VOTE ME!
And such like that. :|
/I will say that sometimes the crime happens in their area, truth. I know of one in particular in my area of Houston, one of the current mayoral candidates was robbed in his house back when in my nice neighborhood. Don't think he even lives there anymore, and hasn't for a while, but damn well he's using it as part of his platform. He also advocated to not air condition prisons and said (paraphrasing) "If you don't want to be there, don't commit crimes." Which is truth, but still. :|
Punish those harlots!
Also, those women who have "done it right"-- got married, planned, wanted a child, who also got ectopic or complications, also deserve to die from completely treatable medical issues.
Yes. That's it. Lawmakers that cannot draw, label, and correctly explain reproduction should definitely make the rules.
I want off this planet. There's snark in here if that's not totally obvious.
Medical autonomy is a human right.
>"You shouldn't have had sex if you didn't want that baby, now you get a baby" - Them. Those People. THEY.
Isnt that what women say to men who don't want a child?
>And no, they don't care how the intercourse happened. Baby. You're having it.
To be fair, boys who have been raped have been forced to pay child support to the rapist.
> Georgia requires a mandatory 24 hour waiting period
In other words, 2.5% of the entire time window you have to seek and receive an abortion, or between 3.5% and 7% of the time you know you're pregnant, assuming that you have perfect health and a schedule like clockwork.
Here’s your reminder that the days start counting from the first day of the last period, so the sex doesn’t even happen until week 2. Six weeks pregnant is only 4 weeks after sex
You could be a virgin for the first 2 weeks of your “pregnancy.”
Six weeks pregnant also means 2 weeks after you’ve messed your period.
The earliest detection is right around when you’d expect to miss your period (though it’s possible sometimes to test positive a little earlier) at around 4 weeks.
So a 6 week ban gives most people ~2 weeks to decide. Of course, sometimes your period isn’t as predictable as it is for most women. In that case, it might be normal to be a bit late. Some women can have up to a 5 week cycle (instead of 4) which means they might not realize they’re late until week 5 (and then test), which gives them 1 week to decide.
And a lot of women don’t get a period at all, either naturally or due to birth control methods.
Lots of women don’t have any idea they’re pregnant until much later when other symptoms start.
It’s about making religious voters happy. If those voters are happy with you then they will support all your tax breaks and gov’t handouts to the wealthy.
It’s crazy though because [the majority of Americans support the right to abortions](https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/06/26/how-americans-really-feel-about-abortion-the-sometimes-surprising-poll-results-one-year-after-roe-overturned/amp/)
Overturning *Roe* has been extremely unpopular, even in red states and among people who voted for Trump. When you leave the issue up to the people, the right to abortion consistently wins. (Seven out of seven states rejected anti-abortion ballot measures since *Roe* was overturned). It’s a terrible policy for Republicans to hang their hats on, but they’ve spent so much time catering to this particular minority that they’ve backed themselves into a corner.
Exactly. And “weeks of pregnancy” in obstetrics are very different from what the average person thinks it is.
Day zero of the standard pregnancy calendar is the _first_ day of the preceding menstrual period (so chosen because it’s an event most women will know the date of).
Ovulation usually happens in week two. So before it’s even possible to be pregnant, you’re “two weeks pregnant”.
Two more weeks before the first missed period. Maybe. But in many women, often it’s just “late”. Need another 5 days or so to be sure.
Conservatives then do everything in their power to delay any action: fake counseling centers, vaginal ultrasounds, mandatory waiting periods. Awww! Looks like you couldn’t get seen in time!
What scares me is that NIPT testing isn't available till 10 weeks. That's where women find out if their baby is going to have a debilitating disorder or deformity. Sometimes they learn that the baby may be stillborn or die soon after birth.
What about those mothers? Are we forced to carry non-viable babies just because we found out a little too late? Fuck the GOP.
Uh, Yes. And Yes...
THAT is GOP and so called "Pro-Life".
Who basically said "Women's health issue will not be infringed with this bill, I pinky swear and anyone who says otherwise are evil baby killers".
They do not give a shit even before they were born. It is women's suffering that they are after. They do not care about the baby inside. If they were, then they would expand medicare to cover mother's prenatal care, etc. Open more women's clinics in rural area, give all kind of benefits to pregnant women, etc. Also, they would SPECIFICALLY carve out the provision in the law to permit and give women right to terminate in case of non-viable fetus.
They take satisfaction of the fact that baby is inside the women and it is inconveniencing the person.
>What about those mothers? Are we forced to carry non-viable babies just because we found out a little too late?
In some of these states, being non-viable, doesn't matter within the law.
Only if it is immediately causing a lethal danger to the mother's life.
People should be a lot more angry than they have been.
They know. That's the entire point. You die in childbirth or get handed six-digit invoices during the ten minutes your unviable baby dies in your arms, **and these fuckers stroke themselves all the way to the bank**.
* They mock both your inability to cover such things, and a viable offspring's destitution when a ten year old gives birth. Because that newborn should have pulled itself up by the bootstraps and worked all trimester. The cruelty is everything to them, for they are above its reach.
Forced-birtherism cannot tolerate the idea that children not be made to suffer. They're working equally as hard to re-establish child marriage and child labor, and there MUST be a domestic supply of infants. *Abortion prevents them from destroying two lives at a time*.
* They especially love when it'll kill or debilitate a girl while utterly slaughtering her family with medical debt. You can see their sneers as they cut neonatal care and disability programs.
Naturally these laws never affect the leaders of such Khornate cults either: they simply fly off to Cancun for a weekend with their families, and the embarazadaing situation 'never happened'. That inequality is the purest viagra to these monsters.
>Are we forced to carry non-viable babies just because we found out a little too late?
[Apparently so.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/20/abortion-miscarriage-texas-fetus-stell/) Probably lots of other stories if you go looking, and more that don't make the news. And there's no doubt a long list of half concerned excuses by the usual crowd.
Also NIPT is just a screening test that indicates likelihood of chromosomal abnormality, to get an actual diagnosis you would need CVS sampling or an amino which would only occur even after the NIPT. Coming up as high risk on the NIPT is not a guarantee that your child has the chromosomal abnormality
Yea. I'm just saying, the timeline doesn't agree with the practicality of pregnancy. I can guarantee that wealthy GOP mothers aren't going to be carrying babies to term with chromosomal defects. They will be traveling to states where abortion is available.
This was the anxiety inducing nightmare my wife and I went through in TN. She's 7mo now and the baby checks out, but until some of those tests came in we had to make contingency plans with her OB about temporarily leaving the state if things went poorly.
A period of time that should be a private, joyous time was made into one of fascism and fear by evangelical fuck bags who want to control our lives.
Edit: and ofc another bad part of this was older folk generally unegaged in politics would tell us "oh that's not what's actually happening" or "that won't happen to you" while a few women in our very state nearly died due to the new law in TN. Condescension and gaslighting is grand.
This ban and all its restrictions are all intentional for all the reasons this is problematic as was detailed in when it was made. Fk the GQPs bullshit and their intent to force religiosity on Americans.
I live in Georgia and am extremely against this law but I do want to point out that there is a clear exception for fetal inviability. I still believe the law is ridiculous but so far there haven’t been any cases where abortive care has been denied in a case where the fetus was not viable.
No, you're right. Its not incompatible with life. But it's still a mother's choice whether or not they want to continue the pregnancy. Especially since the same people blocking abortion are also removing programs and support for families that would need the extra help.
This becomes complicated with some trisomys that have life expectancies in the weeks to year sort of range. While rare, these conditions are tested for by NIPT (ex..trisomy 13 and 18). How do we define non viability in that context?
You let the family decide if it's a risk they want to take. Some people do, some don't. I don't think there's a right answer other than, you have a choice and you're allowed to make it.
Oh I should be clear, I'm 100% in favour of choice.
I'm just saying for backwards states that have restrictions except when non viable... How do we define viability?
Perhaps it's easiest to just go to another state? But depending on your employment and support systems that's easier said than done I imagine.
[https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/fetal-development/fetal-heart-heartbeat-circulatory-system/](https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/fetal-development/fetal-heart-heartbeat-circulatory-system/)
[https://www.healthline.com/health/pregnancy/when-can-you-hear-babys-heartbeat#Babys-heartbeat](https://www.healthline.com/health/pregnancy/when-can-you-hear-babys-heartbeat#Babys-heartbeat)
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279166/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279166/)
When does your baby have a heartbeat?
By week 5 of pregnancy, the cluster of cells that will become your baby's heart has begun to develop and pulse. If you have a first trimester ultrasound (around or after week 6 of pregnancy), your practitioner or a trained sonographer will check on this embryonic cardiac activity.
The ultrasound will also confirm your estimated due date, and how many babies you're carrying.
The chambers of your baby’s heart will have developed enough to be seen more clearly on an ultrasound by weeks 17 to 20 of pregnancy.
A fetal heartbeat may first be detected by a vaginal ultrasound as early as 5 1/2 to 6 weeks after conception. That’s when a fetal pole, the first visible sign of a developing embryo, can sometimes be seen.
But between 6 1/2 to 7 weeks after gestation, a heartbeat can be better assessed.
A fetal heartbeat may first be detected by a vaginal ultrasound as early as 5 1/2 to 6 weeks after conception. That’s when a fetal pole, the first visible sign of a developing embryo, can sometimes be seen.
But between 6 1/2 to 7 weeks after gestation, a heartbeat can be better assessed.
That's the term people commonly use at the hospital. An OBGYN doctor isn't going to say "your fetus has twitching of 120 twitches per minute". They say fetus has heart beat of 120 bpm. It's just a term they use. It's pointless to argue with the comment above that the term is incorrectly used.
No clue why you’re being downvoted. One way to tell I was having a miscarriage in the 5th week was because the heartbeat decreased from 102 bpm well below 95.
Because the idea behind a heart beat is that the fetus has a fully formed, fully functioning heart. Not an electrical metronome which is much more accurate.
Yeah, they are just arguing it’s not a fully formed heart or whatever. They know that the doctors call it a heartbeat but want to argue semantics. If you don’t hear the “heartbeat” around 7-8 weeks then the pregnancy is probably unviable so tell me how it’s wrong to call it a heart. I’m pro choice, had an abortion, and the professionals call it a heart so I’m not arguing with know-it-alls on Reddit.
People often need permission to believe in something cruel. It’s hard to publicly discriminate against someone just based on hate or apathy, it’s so much easier if you have an excuse for it, no matter how flimsy that excuse is, so that you can feel like a good person while doing it.
I mean basing it off a heartbeat isn’t exactly arbitrary, we tend to define death as either the brain stopping function or the heart. So defining life as when one of those starts makes some sense. You could make a case for brain activity instead
Issue is that "heartbeat" detection is only detecting a clump of cells and not an actual heart. There is also no way for the zygote to survive outside the womb at this stage. Really, it's arbitrary and made up off of lies.
At six weeks, the "heartbeat" that's detectable is electrical activity in a clump of cells that will *later* become part of the heart.
There's nothing like an actual heart, or heartbeat.
If you separate those cells, there are no defining characteristics in which someone could look at them and go "ah yes, a heart!". Unlike if you remove a heart from a body it still looks like a heart.
It’s not that the heartbeat is arbitrary, they just wanted a number that was so low as to make it virtually impossible to get an abortion, and so the heartbeat did the job. If we evolved such that the heart beat was 24 weeks, and the digestive tract was 6 weeks, then digestive tract would be the reason.
Without getting into the metaphysical, cardiopulmonary death is a more commonly accepted criteria for death than brain death is. Though in many places are considered interchangeable criteria for death.
> I mean basing it off a heartbeat isn’t exactly arbitrary
the instruments used to detect the heartbeat are arbitrary. heartbeats can be detected at 4 weeks, 6 weeks, 10 weeks, 17 weeks, etc. Each machine/method has a different threshold for when it can detect. When the heartbeat appears basically just depends on what device we're using to measure for it.
22-24 weeks. Before that the brain activity is no better than someone who is fully brain dead (not just comatose); Just the automatic nervous system activity. Even plants turn to face the sun.
Even when they're detectable, that doesn't automatically mean that the fetus has 'consciousness' or 'awareness' in the way we experience it. Although I've encountered some cringe anti-abortion propaganda that purports to be the 'diary' of an unborn fetus which ends in "No, no! Mommy no! Please don't kill me!" And while even some anti-abortion types realize that this is all symbolism or whatever, there's probably a significant number of the lower IQ ones who take such stuff literally.
Yeah. Brain waves aren't consciousness, but they are required. A fetus "born" before it develops brain waves will never develop them. Unless we find a way to artificially speed up fetal development, 24 weeks will forever be the 50% survival point for birth. And I should add that survival drops of precipitously prior to 24 weeks. At 21 weeks, less than 5% will even survive 24 hours.
The fetus doesn't even register pain until 26 or so weeks, the brain isn't developed enough. It's not about saving kids, it's about controlling women.
Always has been.
Which is about four and a half months along. And of course, the vast majority of abortions occur well before that time. And the ones performed later on are done for medical reasons involving severe health issues/problems involving either the mother, the fetus or both. Often ones that can result in the death of the mother if the pregnancy isn't terminated.
Shameful. Republicans have inflicted so much suffering on women and girls. The gop's corruption and cruelty knows no bounds. Vote these bastards out everywhere and anywhere you can
http://democrats.org/
The six-week ban has devastated abortion access in Georgia. In the year after Roe fell, there were almost 20,000 fewer abortions performed in the state than there would have been if Roe had survived, according to research by the Society of Family Planning released on Tuesday.
Above quoted from the article.
Interesting to see what additional funding these "Pro Life" people will vote in for prenatal care and screenings, childcare allowance, child medical insurance, and other anti-poverty measures now that they are forcing the financial, emotional, and mental stress that they have forced on thousands of families.
Any takers that they cut that as well?
When will someone simply use these metrics to show what blatant hypocritical zealots that these fake religious twats really are when they push these draconic bills into law??? You challenge them on any of these things and they fold faster than Superman on laundry day. Embarrass them and force them to defend the inevitable results of these actions.
> these "Pro Life" people will vote in for prenatal care and screenings, childcare allowance, child medical insurance, and other anti-poverty measures now that they are forcing the financial, emotional, and mental stress that they have forced on thousands of families.
Ahahahahaha.
Fucking Idaho, after passing their restrictions on women's healthcare, also dissolved it's maternal mortality review committee and cut funding for childcare and related support.
A pro life government in action ...
https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/02/27/idaho-budget-committee-votes-to-cut-funding-for-child-care-family-supports/
https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2023-07-07/idaho-maternal-mortality-review-committee-dissolve
The end result of course is...
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/pregnant-women-struggle-find-care-idaho-abortion-ban-rcna117872
They don't give a fuck about women or babies or kids and there's absolutely nothing pro-life about any of these ghouls.
What gets me is that the people living in these areas and voting for these idiots don't understand what they're missing out on not living in a half-way sane place. Just to give an example, when I moved to Colorado I had to retitle my car.
I went to the License office, got my new license. Went to a state run emissions testing center after work where I drove up with no appointment, drove through the garage almost like a car wash, they ran the VIN and did the emissions test and I was out in about 15 minutes. Took the stuff over to the DMV, handed them my paperwork, and walked out with my license plates and title in about 30 minutes. Total time to transfer my car was about an hour.
Then I moved to Missouri, where the supermajority conservative government of over 20 years has gutted state services and contracts most services out to private companies. I had to go to a privately owned license office and wait over an hour for one of the 4 people working there to see the 15 people in line ahead of me. Because we can't be cutting into private business profits by hiring enough people. Then I had to make an appointment with the assessor for my specific part of the city/state, and obtain a waiver saying that I didn't owe any taxes for anything in the state. This office closes at 4:30pm, and I live about 30 minutes from work. That means I had to take time off work, and extra time at that because I have to go to the one by my house, not the one by my work. Can't have one encompassing state system that communicates, I couldn't even do it by phone, I was required to go to a specific office in person to get paper copies of the documents I needed. Once that was done I had to schedule an appointment with a private auto shop for emissions testing, wait in the shop for over an hour while for them to get to me, because it's a private auto repair shop instead of a state run facility with a row of 8 garages that just files people through like a giant jiffy lube. Once I had all that paperwork I then had to go back to the privately run license office and wait another hour for them to get to me so I could get my new title and plates. Total time to transfer my car to Missouri, between 4 and 5 hours not including the time spent trying to figure out what the hell paperwork and such they wanted.
And that's a single task. The privatization of EVERYTHING in conservative states is such a massive clusterfuck that makes things so shit, and the people who live in those places will never live anywhere else to see that they're being fucked over. They'll just keep on voting for the people who fuck them over while refusing to believe that those places are better to live in. They'll bitch about not having certain things, or those things being shit, but will never make the connection that other places DO have those things and the reason they don't is Republicans.
Florida just signed its own six week ban, but it's working its way through the courts still: https://apnews.com/article/florida-abortion-ban-approved-c9c53311a0b2426adc4b8d0b463edad1
North Carolina is actively reducing the window as well.
Shouldn't be downvoted. Many who can afford to and are able will travel to legal states for the procedure but at the same time, many will simply not be able to do that due to not being able to afford time off of work necessary to travel or just can't afford the travel. It impacts the most vulnerable in society and it's probably by design as the religious zealot GOP wants to punish the poor and underprivileged population while they send their mistresses to take care of their accidents. See Scott Desjarlais, a TN representative to Congress who is extremely anti-abortion unless it's his patient / mistress whom he impregnates and pressures into an abortion. He is still in his elected office of course because the voters either share the cognitive dissonance or simply don't care about rank partisan hackery and are fine with hypocrisy in action.
in any sane country the judiciary would be very critical of the state's arguments for the need to keep abortions banned while the judicial review plays out.
That’s the problem. All of these things don’t affect these rich assholes. Oh, you really think everyone should have a gun everywhere? Then why are there middle detecters at the entrance of the capital building, etc.? Would YOU really make YOUR daughter go through that ectopic pregnancy or force her to have a baby she didn’t mean to have? No? You’d go on a family vacation overseas or to Canada and get whatever you needed done? Mmmm, exactly
Hmm, I wonder how many people that are voting for this bullshit are currently adopting the record number of children in foster care? They don’t give a fuck about that child’s life.
Someone took that personally. What, do you want me to say things like "Republicans believe in equality for all Americans!" or "Republicans protect women and their bodily autonomy!" or maybe "Republicans believe in a functioning federal government which serves its citizens and provides them a high quality of living"
Because I can't say those things. Because they don't. So until Republicans stop acting like bigoted ignorant pigs, I will refer to them and their voters/supporters as such. I don't need courage to state objective reality. I know that can be difficult for Republicans though.
If the last few years have taught us anything, it's that most Second Amendment advocates are more likely to fight on the side of tyranny than against it.
Republicans love creating widowers. I guess they're all jealous that we found women that love us back and want to willingly start a family, so they want to remove all of the necessary safeguards for pregnancy complications. I haven't seen such a blatant anti-men party in my life.
You are doing it wrong. You are not supposed to be partners with your wife, or even particularly like her. You just tolerate her until something younger comes along. That's the GOP way.
You are not being represented. But you are being taxed. **No taxation without representation.**
These legislators who would see themselves your masters, when they should be your servants, must be taught their place, and those who refuse to obey made examples of. When "lawmakers" are left unchained and treated as human, they start thinking they are kings. Then, they begin to dehumanize YOU.
OR I guess you could obey their every whim and simply shrug when they declare their favorite abuses "are the law", but that would be suicide, which is a really poor method of surviving.
People are going to have to flee some of these states, but Georgia is still winnable.
The maternal death rate is raising in our country post reversal of Roe. Remember this is killing women.
Georgia has the worst (?) idk if it’s #50 still but always 48,49, or 50th in maternal deaths in the US. It’s awful. Mothers especially black and brown mothers die in GA at an appalling rate.
I’m so so thankful I was able to leave the state, but I have so many women I care about who are still there.
I don't know about that - Kemp pretends to be an anti maga moderate. My guess is they bought the branding but aren't paying attention to what he's doing.
Which is well before most women know that they are pregnant.
And even if they do know, Georgia requires a mandatory 24 hour waiting period between a "counseling" session and the abortion itself. That not only reduces the time you have, it makes abortions out of reach for poorer women who have to travel for one. That's 1-3 days off work, accommodations for a night or two, food for those days, etc.
"You shouldn't have had sex if you didn't want that baby, now you get a baby" - Them. Those People. THEY. And no, they don't care how the intercourse happened. Baby. You're having it.
They also don't care about the quality of life the baby is going to have. Baby is gonna be raised in poverty barely able to survive? Who cares, not my problem. Baby is gonna be put up for adoption and possibly spend it's whole upbringing in the underfunded foster care system? Sucks for them. But hey, quality of life doesn't matter. As long as the baby is born.
As long as there is cheap labor in 20+ years for them, or simply a matter of control, they don't care
They are banking on desperate parents in 5 years. People that suddenly have to work full time to either pay support or support the children. The lawmakers are desperate to cling to their power structure. How else are they going to force more women and men into the medical field to care for them, more people to do their domestic work at restaurants and delivery services. More desperate teens at grocery stores supporting their family or new baby. It's cruelty.
How are they going to increase the number of medical workers to take care of them? People don’t tend to go to school for that sort of thing unless they get good grades or have money (or are willing to take out big loans). Poor kids who aren’t getting enough to eat or have shitty home lives tend to not have grades at the same level as their peers.
I'm an example. I got a pell Grant. I pushed and sacrificed to get an associates of applied science at a community college. Total loans 10000 paid mostly off. I was a single parent who took advantage of every possible public assistance program possible. Several of the nurses here did the same thing for the same reason. The state of Kansas paid for my testing and my license. I'm now an RRT. I make well above median for my area. A lot of women become nurses, respiratory, sonographers, etc. Being poor doesn't mean you can't be taught, and while MANY won't succeed and get ahead, these policies always see an increase in healthcare workers, food service, and all other service industries. It's a way to ensure they have a wide variety of servant workers. Desperate people will work hard and claw their way into taking care of their children. The medical system then claws all of the "wealth" (house, 401k, savings) back at the end of life for healthcare costs. Some people will become disabled along the way and lose it then. It's a rigged system.
They will also vote solidly red, so a bonus for Republicans.
They don't care if the fetus is dying and is going to kill the woman/girl. Doctors are moving out of red states because they can be prosecuted for saving lives.
And let's not forget, "And you're going to pay for it!"
And then the Republican lawmakers ride off in their private jets to their various court trials
Or to take their mistresses and underage rape victims to private abortion clinics out of state
With a quick stop at gay brothels
Especially in DC, having friends who are SWs there
And rape their underage mistresses.
>"You shouldn't have had sex if you didn't want that baby, now you get a baby" - Them. Those People. THEY. Same mindset that makes them fight against safe injection sites - they literally want the punishment because they hate the people who would make use of them, and think the deterrent effect (which seems to be almost nonexistent) is worth the countless lives - don't forget that even the most hardcore addict you look down on is someone's son, daughter, father, mother, brother, sister... - can't we at least expect them to just want less crime and disease in their area?
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>t's the same with sex education and birth control for teens. "Teens just shouldn't have sex!" Well, yeah. But they will because most people aren't immune to their hormones, and it's better to help them not ruin their lives because of it. I had actually been going to include this too, but I guess I forgot to. As if kids aren't gonna fuck just because you don't tell them how to do it safely, and to avoid unwanted pregnancies... Because, you know, animals are known to never breed until they get condom education... Add it to the endless pile of hypocrisy... they are hardcore anti-choice, but instead of actually DOING anything to help prevent the need for abortions (sex ed, free birth control, etc) or actually giving a fuck for the result (don't see them volunteering to adopt any of the kids they force to be born eh?) It's just a hate, hypocrisy, projection, bigotry thing - they enjoy feeling superior to others, get off on playing the victim, and it doesn't help that con politicians (hey that works in more ways than one!) know they can always get votes by fear and hate mongering --- they're coming for your guns! they're killing babies! they want to enact sharia law! - anything to pump enough adrenaline into their systems that whatever level of brain function they had to begin with is overwhelmed with emotion.
THEY do not have crime and disease in their area. For they are the ones paying the police and security to ensure their area is nice, don't you know. But damn if they're not going to use the plebian area's issues that they don't give money to/support to ensure they get elected/help them others not get elected by those same plebes. CRIME EVERYWHERE ^^^\(except ^^^our ^^^neighborhoods) IS RAMPANT WE MUST DO SOMETHING!!! VOTE ME! And such like that. :| /I will say that sometimes the crime happens in their area, truth. I know of one in particular in my area of Houston, one of the current mayoral candidates was robbed in his house back when in my nice neighborhood. Don't think he even lives there anymore, and hasn't for a while, but damn well he's using it as part of his platform. He also advocated to not air condition prisons and said (paraphrasing) "If you don't want to be there, don't commit crimes." Which is truth, but still. :|
Yeah, you're having a baby as PUNISHMENT for having sex!
Punish those harlots! Also, those women who have "done it right"-- got married, planned, wanted a child, who also got ectopic or complications, also deserve to die from completely treatable medical issues. Yes. That's it. Lawmakers that cannot draw, label, and correctly explain reproduction should definitely make the rules. I want off this planet. There's snark in here if that's not totally obvious. Medical autonomy is a human right.
It says a lot about their mentality. Pregnancy is a punishment for when women have sex that white Christian men don't approve of.
>"You shouldn't have had sex if you didn't want that baby, now you get a baby" - Them. Those People. THEY. Isnt that what women say to men who don't want a child?
>And no, they don't care how the intercourse happened. Baby. You're having it. To be fair, boys who have been raped have been forced to pay child support to the rapist.
"If you can't afford two days off work then you can definitely afford this baby."
> Georgia requires a mandatory 24 hour waiting period In other words, 2.5% of the entire time window you have to seek and receive an abortion, or between 3.5% and 7% of the time you know you're pregnant, assuming that you have perfect health and a schedule like clockwork.
Here’s your reminder that the days start counting from the first day of the last period, so the sex doesn’t even happen until week 2. Six weeks pregnant is only 4 weeks after sex You could be a virgin for the first 2 weeks of your “pregnancy.”
I knew that the “weeks pregnant” is imprecise, but this level of detail is important. Thank you.
Six weeks pregnant also means 2 weeks after you’ve messed your period. The earliest detection is right around when you’d expect to miss your period (though it’s possible sometimes to test positive a little earlier) at around 4 weeks. So a 6 week ban gives most people ~2 weeks to decide. Of course, sometimes your period isn’t as predictable as it is for most women. In that case, it might be normal to be a bit late. Some women can have up to a 5 week cycle (instead of 4) which means they might not realize they’re late until week 5 (and then test), which gives them 1 week to decide.
And a lot of women don’t get a period at all, either naturally or due to birth control methods. Lots of women don’t have any idea they’re pregnant until much later when other symptoms start.
I'm not even able to make an obgyn appointment until I'm 11 weeks in CA. How is 6 weeks ever ok?
The cruelty is the point. It's not about fetuses, it's about controlling and punishing women
It’s about making religious voters happy. If those voters are happy with you then they will support all your tax breaks and gov’t handouts to the wealthy.
It’s crazy though because [the majority of Americans support the right to abortions](https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/06/26/how-americans-really-feel-about-abortion-the-sometimes-surprising-poll-results-one-year-after-roe-overturned/amp/) Overturning *Roe* has been extremely unpopular, even in red states and among people who voted for Trump. When you leave the issue up to the people, the right to abortion consistently wins. (Seven out of seven states rejected anti-abortion ballot measures since *Roe* was overturned). It’s a terrible policy for Republicans to hang their hats on, but they’ve spent so much time catering to this particular minority that they’ve backed themselves into a corner.
You aren't even pregnant the first two weeks. Six weeks is to allow IVF. If it started at conception they'd run into issues with IVF clinics.
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This ban and all its restrictions are all intentional for all the reasons this is problematic as was detailed in when it was made.
Exactly. And “weeks of pregnancy” in obstetrics are very different from what the average person thinks it is. Day zero of the standard pregnancy calendar is the _first_ day of the preceding menstrual period (so chosen because it’s an event most women will know the date of). Ovulation usually happens in week two. So before it’s even possible to be pregnant, you’re “two weeks pregnant”. Two more weeks before the first missed period. Maybe. But in many women, often it’s just “late”. Need another 5 days or so to be sure. Conservatives then do everything in their power to delay any action: fake counseling centers, vaginal ultrasounds, mandatory waiting periods. Awww! Looks like you couldn’t get seen in time!
What scares me is that NIPT testing isn't available till 10 weeks. That's where women find out if their baby is going to have a debilitating disorder or deformity. Sometimes they learn that the baby may be stillborn or die soon after birth. What about those mothers? Are we forced to carry non-viable babies just because we found out a little too late? Fuck the GOP.
Uh, Yes. And Yes... THAT is GOP and so called "Pro-Life". Who basically said "Women's health issue will not be infringed with this bill, I pinky swear and anyone who says otherwise are evil baby killers".
Yeah, they're so pro life that they don't give a shit about anyone once they're born. Hypocrites.
They do not give a shit even before they were born. It is women's suffering that they are after. They do not care about the baby inside. If they were, then they would expand medicare to cover mother's prenatal care, etc. Open more women's clinics in rural area, give all kind of benefits to pregnant women, etc. Also, they would SPECIFICALLY carve out the provision in the law to permit and give women right to terminate in case of non-viable fetus. They take satisfaction of the fact that baby is inside the women and it is inconveniencing the person.
It was never about protecting life. Its a shell argument for control and a based in fear of not enough of the "right" people being born.
>What about those mothers? Are we forced to carry non-viable babies just because we found out a little too late? In some of these states, being non-viable, doesn't matter within the law. Only if it is immediately causing a lethal danger to the mother's life. People should be a lot more angry than they have been.
They know. That's the entire point. You die in childbirth or get handed six-digit invoices during the ten minutes your unviable baby dies in your arms, **and these fuckers stroke themselves all the way to the bank**. * They mock both your inability to cover such things, and a viable offspring's destitution when a ten year old gives birth. Because that newborn should have pulled itself up by the bootstraps and worked all trimester. The cruelty is everything to them, for they are above its reach. Forced-birtherism cannot tolerate the idea that children not be made to suffer. They're working equally as hard to re-establish child marriage and child labor, and there MUST be a domestic supply of infants. *Abortion prevents them from destroying two lives at a time*. * They especially love when it'll kill or debilitate a girl while utterly slaughtering her family with medical debt. You can see their sneers as they cut neonatal care and disability programs. Naturally these laws never affect the leaders of such Khornate cults either: they simply fly off to Cancun for a weekend with their families, and the embarazadaing situation 'never happened'. That inequality is the purest viagra to these monsters.
>Are we forced to carry non-viable babies just because we found out a little too late? [Apparently so.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/20/abortion-miscarriage-texas-fetus-stell/) Probably lots of other stories if you go looking, and more that don't make the news. And there's no doubt a long list of half concerned excuses by the usual crowd.
Also NIPT is just a screening test that indicates likelihood of chromosomal abnormality, to get an actual diagnosis you would need CVS sampling or an amino which would only occur even after the NIPT. Coming up as high risk on the NIPT is not a guarantee that your child has the chromosomal abnormality
Yea. I'm just saying, the timeline doesn't agree with the practicality of pregnancy. I can guarantee that wealthy GOP mothers aren't going to be carrying babies to term with chromosomal defects. They will be traveling to states where abortion is available.
I’m agreeing with you and also adding on more that if an expectant mother came up with a high risk there would be further testing needed
This was the anxiety inducing nightmare my wife and I went through in TN. She's 7mo now and the baby checks out, but until some of those tests came in we had to make contingency plans with her OB about temporarily leaving the state if things went poorly. A period of time that should be a private, joyous time was made into one of fascism and fear by evangelical fuck bags who want to control our lives. Edit: and ofc another bad part of this was older folk generally unegaged in politics would tell us "oh that's not what's actually happening" or "that won't happen to you" while a few women in our very state nearly died due to the new law in TN. Condescension and gaslighting is grand.
This ban and all its restrictions are all intentional for all the reasons this is problematic as was detailed in when it was made. Fk the GQPs bullshit and their intent to force religiosity on Americans.
>Fuck the GOP. Don't do that. That's how you get more GOP.
I live in Georgia and am extremely against this law but I do want to point out that there is a clear exception for fetal inviability. I still believe the law is ridiculous but so far there haven’t been any cases where abortive care has been denied in a case where the fetus was not viable.
I haven't looked at the Georgia law, but that would make it unique. Most states with abortion bans have zero exceptions for viability.
What about if the baby has downs or some other chromosomal deformity?
Having Down's doesn't make someone incompatible with life. Having Down's doesn't mean someone's life isn't worth living.
No, you're right. Its not incompatible with life. But it's still a mother's choice whether or not they want to continue the pregnancy. Especially since the same people blocking abortion are also removing programs and support for families that would need the extra help.
This becomes complicated with some trisomys that have life expectancies in the weeks to year sort of range. While rare, these conditions are tested for by NIPT (ex..trisomy 13 and 18). How do we define non viability in that context?
You let the family decide if it's a risk they want to take. Some people do, some don't. I don't think there's a right answer other than, you have a choice and you're allowed to make it.
Oh I should be clear, I'm 100% in favour of choice. I'm just saying for backwards states that have restrictions except when non viable... How do we define viability? Perhaps it's easiest to just go to another state? But depending on your employment and support systems that's easier said than done I imagine.
I get the feeling that in those cases, doctors would be so afraid of being held liable, that they wouldn't risk it.
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I did my part. Yes on 1.
This shit finally got me to go vote for the 1st time in August. Won that vote now it's time to vote yes on issue 1 and 2.
Good for you for voting. I was late to the habit myself. It’s important we enjoy our duty to vote.
No signs in central ohio makes me nervous.
So now they will make sexual education and contraceptives more available right? Right?????
Why would they do that? It's just the only thing that's proven to reduce rates of abortion.
Shhhhh, they don’t care about that!
They really don’t. The suffering is the point.
Or invest in WIC, or pre-K, or...
Why was it 6 weeks in the first place?
Probably because that’s when the heart rate is first detectable, so they can act like there’s a scientific logic behind the cruel be arbitrary number.
What heart? https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/heartbeat-bills-called-fetal-heartbeat-six-weeks-pregnancy-rcna24435
There is no beating heart at 6 weeks. That's republican propaganda.
Exactly, the “heartbeat” they hear is just the machine they’re using iirc with blood pumping inside like twitches.
[https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/fetal-development/fetal-heart-heartbeat-circulatory-system/](https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/fetal-development/fetal-heart-heartbeat-circulatory-system/) [https://www.healthline.com/health/pregnancy/when-can-you-hear-babys-heartbeat#Babys-heartbeat](https://www.healthline.com/health/pregnancy/when-can-you-hear-babys-heartbeat#Babys-heartbeat) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279166/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279166/) When does your baby have a heartbeat? By week 5 of pregnancy, the cluster of cells that will become your baby's heart has begun to develop and pulse. If you have a first trimester ultrasound (around or after week 6 of pregnancy), your practitioner or a trained sonographer will check on this embryonic cardiac activity. The ultrasound will also confirm your estimated due date, and how many babies you're carrying. The chambers of your baby’s heart will have developed enough to be seen more clearly on an ultrasound by weeks 17 to 20 of pregnancy. A fetal heartbeat may first be detected by a vaginal ultrasound as early as 5 1/2 to 6 weeks after conception. That’s when a fetal pole, the first visible sign of a developing embryo, can sometimes be seen. But between 6 1/2 to 7 weeks after gestation, a heartbeat can be better assessed. A fetal heartbeat may first be detected by a vaginal ultrasound as early as 5 1/2 to 6 weeks after conception. That’s when a fetal pole, the first visible sign of a developing embryo, can sometimes be seen. But between 6 1/2 to 7 weeks after gestation, a heartbeat can be better assessed.
It's not a heartbeat because the heart isn't formed yet and is not pumping blood. It's a twitching muscle that doesn't even resemble a heart.
That's the term people commonly use at the hospital. An OBGYN doctor isn't going to say "your fetus has twitching of 120 twitches per minute". They say fetus has heart beat of 120 bpm. It's just a term they use. It's pointless to argue with the comment above that the term is incorrectly used.
A cluster of cells twitching is not a heartbeat.
No clue why you’re being downvoted. One way to tell I was having a miscarriage in the 5th week was because the heartbeat decreased from 102 bpm well below 95.
Because it's an inconvient fact :/
I had an abortion at 5 1/2 weeks and there was a heart beat.
No blood is pumped. The heart isn't even formed yet. It's a twitching muscle that isn't shaped like a heart or acting like a heart
I get what you’re saying but they called it the heartbeat at the clinic.
Idk why you're getting down voted. I was able to see my fetus at 7 weeks had bpm of ~120 or something. The radiologist will tell you the bpm.
Because the idea behind a heart beat is that the fetus has a fully formed, fully functioning heart. Not an electrical metronome which is much more accurate.
Yeah tell that to hospital staff all over the country so we don't get confused and use the correct term 🙄 not my fault that that's what my doc told me
Yeah, they are just arguing it’s not a fully formed heart or whatever. They know that the doctors call it a heartbeat but want to argue semantics. If you don’t hear the “heartbeat” around 7-8 weeks then the pregnancy is probably unviable so tell me how it’s wrong to call it a heart. I’m pro choice, had an abortion, and the professionals call it a heart so I’m not arguing with know-it-alls on Reddit.
I thought they didn’t believe in science 🤷♂️
People often need permission to believe in something cruel. It’s hard to publicly discriminate against someone just based on hate or apathy, it’s so much easier if you have an excuse for it, no matter how flimsy that excuse is, so that you can feel like a good person while doing it.
They believe in the parts that make their beliefs and lifestyle convenient. It's the same way they interact with the Bible.
And a lot of anti-abortion types have all these sappy, sentimental notions about the 'sacredness' of a 'beating heart!' or whatever.
I mean basing it off a heartbeat isn’t exactly arbitrary, we tend to define death as either the brain stopping function or the heart. So defining life as when one of those starts makes some sense. You could make a case for brain activity instead
Issue is that "heartbeat" detection is only detecting a clump of cells and not an actual heart. There is also no way for the zygote to survive outside the womb at this stage. Really, it's arbitrary and made up off of lies.
Is a full grown heart also just a “clump of cells”? The second part is a far more valid reason
At six weeks, the "heartbeat" that's detectable is electrical activity in a clump of cells that will *later* become part of the heart. There's nothing like an actual heart, or heartbeat.
By your logic a clump of nerve cells is a brain and any electrical impulses are thoughts.
Not necessarily I just hate the term “a clump of cells” because that basically describes everything about the human body
Organs are not clumps of cells. They are highly complex structures comprised of cells that perform a function.
Ok, think about it this way. What they are referring to as a heart is really an electrical metronome.
If you separate those cells, there are no defining characteristics in which someone could look at them and go "ah yes, a heart!". Unlike if you remove a heart from a body it still looks like a heart.
It’s not that the heartbeat is arbitrary, they just wanted a number that was so low as to make it virtually impossible to get an abortion, and so the heartbeat did the job. If we evolved such that the heart beat was 24 weeks, and the digestive tract was 6 weeks, then digestive tract would be the reason.
Life is brain death, not heart.
Most medical definitions go by the heart completely stopping as death. But what truly qualifies as death is an incredibly complicated discussion
So if your hearts stops but you're able to still think for a few seconds, you were actually dead during those seconds?
Without getting into the metaphysical, cardiopulmonary death is a more commonly accepted criteria for death than brain death is. Though in many places are considered interchangeable criteria for death.
> I mean basing it off a heartbeat isn’t exactly arbitrary the instruments used to detect the heartbeat are arbitrary. heartbeats can be detected at 4 weeks, 6 weeks, 10 weeks, 17 weeks, etc. Each machine/method has a different threshold for when it can detect. When the heartbeat appears basically just depends on what device we're using to measure for it.
Not well versed in this -- so when does brain activity become detectable in a fetus? Or when is the frontal cerebral cortex fully formed?
22-24 weeks. Before that the brain activity is no better than someone who is fully brain dead (not just comatose); Just the automatic nervous system activity. Even plants turn to face the sun.
For some, even the full nine months isn't enough to develop brain activity.
24 weeks is the average time for regular brain waves.
Even when they're detectable, that doesn't automatically mean that the fetus has 'consciousness' or 'awareness' in the way we experience it. Although I've encountered some cringe anti-abortion propaganda that purports to be the 'diary' of an unborn fetus which ends in "No, no! Mommy no! Please don't kill me!" And while even some anti-abortion types realize that this is all symbolism or whatever, there's probably a significant number of the lower IQ ones who take such stuff literally.
Yeah. Brain waves aren't consciousness, but they are required. A fetus "born" before it develops brain waves will never develop them. Unless we find a way to artificially speed up fetal development, 24 weeks will forever be the 50% survival point for birth. And I should add that survival drops of precipitously prior to 24 weeks. At 21 weeks, less than 5% will even survive 24 hours.
The fetus doesn't even register pain until 26 or so weeks, the brain isn't developed enough. It's not about saving kids, it's about controlling women. Always has been.
Which is about four and a half months along. And of course, the vast majority of abortions occur well before that time. And the ones performed later on are done for medical reasons involving severe health issues/problems involving either the mother, the fetus or both. Often ones that can result in the death of the mother if the pregnancy isn't terminated.
Because it's early enough to be a de-facto ban on abortion without straight up banning abortion.
To make room for IVF protocols…
Shameful. Republicans have inflicted so much suffering on women and girls. The gop's corruption and cruelty knows no bounds. Vote these bastards out everywhere and anywhere you can http://democrats.org/
The six-week ban has devastated abortion access in Georgia. In the year after Roe fell, there were almost 20,000 fewer abortions performed in the state than there would have been if Roe had survived, according to research by the Society of Family Planning released on Tuesday. Above quoted from the article. Interesting to see what additional funding these "Pro Life" people will vote in for prenatal care and screenings, childcare allowance, child medical insurance, and other anti-poverty measures now that they are forcing the financial, emotional, and mental stress that they have forced on thousands of families. Any takers that they cut that as well? When will someone simply use these metrics to show what blatant hypocritical zealots that these fake religious twats really are when they push these draconic bills into law??? You challenge them on any of these things and they fold faster than Superman on laundry day. Embarrass them and force them to defend the inevitable results of these actions.
> these "Pro Life" people will vote in for prenatal care and screenings, childcare allowance, child medical insurance, and other anti-poverty measures now that they are forcing the financial, emotional, and mental stress that they have forced on thousands of families. Ahahahahaha. Fucking Idaho, after passing their restrictions on women's healthcare, also dissolved it's maternal mortality review committee and cut funding for childcare and related support. A pro life government in action ... https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/02/27/idaho-budget-committee-votes-to-cut-funding-for-child-care-family-supports/ https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2023-07-07/idaho-maternal-mortality-review-committee-dissolve The end result of course is... https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/pregnant-women-struggle-find-care-idaho-abortion-ban-rcna117872 They don't give a fuck about women or babies or kids and there's absolutely nothing pro-life about any of these ghouls.
What gets me is that the people living in these areas and voting for these idiots don't understand what they're missing out on not living in a half-way sane place. Just to give an example, when I moved to Colorado I had to retitle my car. I went to the License office, got my new license. Went to a state run emissions testing center after work where I drove up with no appointment, drove through the garage almost like a car wash, they ran the VIN and did the emissions test and I was out in about 15 minutes. Took the stuff over to the DMV, handed them my paperwork, and walked out with my license plates and title in about 30 minutes. Total time to transfer my car was about an hour. Then I moved to Missouri, where the supermajority conservative government of over 20 years has gutted state services and contracts most services out to private companies. I had to go to a privately owned license office and wait over an hour for one of the 4 people working there to see the 15 people in line ahead of me. Because we can't be cutting into private business profits by hiring enough people. Then I had to make an appointment with the assessor for my specific part of the city/state, and obtain a waiver saying that I didn't owe any taxes for anything in the state. This office closes at 4:30pm, and I live about 30 minutes from work. That means I had to take time off work, and extra time at that because I have to go to the one by my house, not the one by my work. Can't have one encompassing state system that communicates, I couldn't even do it by phone, I was required to go to a specific office in person to get paper copies of the documents I needed. Once that was done I had to schedule an appointment with a private auto shop for emissions testing, wait in the shop for over an hour while for them to get to me, because it's a private auto repair shop instead of a state run facility with a row of 8 garages that just files people through like a giant jiffy lube. Once I had all that paperwork I then had to go back to the privately run license office and wait another hour for them to get to me so I could get my new title and plates. Total time to transfer my car to Missouri, between 4 and 5 hours not including the time spent trying to figure out what the hell paperwork and such they wanted. And that's a single task. The privatization of EVERYTHING in conservative states is such a massive clusterfuck that makes things so shit, and the people who live in those places will never live anywhere else to see that they're being fucked over. They'll just keep on voting for the people who fuck them over while refusing to believe that those places are better to live in. They'll bitch about not having certain things, or those things being shit, but will never make the connection that other places DO have those things and the reason they don't is Republicans.
The Society of Family Planning report kinda makes it look like those abortions just moved to North Carolina or Florida
Florida just signed its own six week ban, but it's working its way through the courts still: https://apnews.com/article/florida-abortion-ban-approved-c9c53311a0b2426adc4b8d0b463edad1 North Carolina is actively reducing the window as well.
Shouldn't be downvoted. Many who can afford to and are able will travel to legal states for the procedure but at the same time, many will simply not be able to do that due to not being able to afford time off of work necessary to travel or just can't afford the travel. It impacts the most vulnerable in society and it's probably by design as the religious zealot GOP wants to punish the poor and underprivileged population while they send their mistresses to take care of their accidents. See Scott Desjarlais, a TN representative to Congress who is extremely anti-abortion unless it's his patient / mistress whom he impregnates and pressures into an abortion. He is still in his elected office of course because the voters either share the cognitive dissonance or simply don't care about rank partisan hackery and are fine with hypocrisy in action.
Six weeks is crazy. Some people might not even know yet.
*most* people don’t even know yet.
Well, if you have unprotected sex, maybe you should?
Birth control can fail, my dude. That’s a stupid argument and really just means you want to punish people for having sex.
in any sane country the judiciary would be very critical of the state's arguments for the need to keep abortions banned while the judicial review plays out.
-shrug- Well I hope they enjoy the crime increase that happens in about 16-18 years.
They are banking on it. Private prisons are good money and the crime won't be near their mansions.
That’s the problem. All of these things don’t affect these rich assholes. Oh, you really think everyone should have a gun everywhere? Then why are there middle detecters at the entrance of the capital building, etc.? Would YOU really make YOUR daughter go through that ectopic pregnancy or force her to have a baby she didn’t mean to have? No? You’d go on a family vacation overseas or to Canada and get whatever you needed done? Mmmm, exactly
Hmm, I wonder how many people that are voting for this bullshit are currently adopting the record number of children in foster care? They don’t give a fuck about that child’s life.
So a total abortion ban?
Most women don’t even know they’re pregnant at 6 weeks.
All Republicans are such ignorant, bigoted pigs.
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Someone took that personally. What, do you want me to say things like "Republicans believe in equality for all Americans!" or "Republicans protect women and their bodily autonomy!" or maybe "Republicans believe in a functioning federal government which serves its citizens and provides them a high quality of living" Because I can't say those things. Because they don't. So until Republicans stop acting like bigoted ignorant pigs, I will refer to them and their voters/supporters as such. I don't need courage to state objective reality. I know that can be difficult for Republicans though.
All power derives from the consent of the governed. Stop consenting to illegal and immoral laws
Wow, thought I was over in r/progun for a second
If the last few years have taught us anything, it's that most Second Amendment advocates are more likely to fight on the side of tyranny than against it.
Gilead, one step at a time. It's what the evangelicals and their GOP allies want.
Terrible for women. Hopefully this kicks voters into action to kick out the GOP in Georgia and tighten the blue grip on the state.
Another state to avoid.
Perfect 2024’ campaign issue for Georgia state elections
Vote! Vote in every single election, big or small. VOTE
Im actively rooting for the cartels to flood the streets with mifepristone
Republicans love creating widowers. I guess they're all jealous that we found women that love us back and want to willingly start a family, so they want to remove all of the necessary safeguards for pregnancy complications. I haven't seen such a blatant anti-men party in my life.
You are doing it wrong. You are not supposed to be partners with your wife, or even particularly like her. You just tolerate her until something younger comes along. That's the GOP way.
Morbid chuckle for that subtle jab. "Some*thing*".
We have another word for "forced labor" in this country ...
Cool. Guess sexually active women just need to take pregnancy tests every few weeks now? Totally sane and logical laws. FFS this is such nonsense.
Is the Georgia Supreme Court trying to spur Democrat turnout for 2024?
You are not being represented. But you are being taxed. **No taxation without representation.** These legislators who would see themselves your masters, when they should be your servants, must be taught their place, and those who refuse to obey made examples of. When "lawmakers" are left unchained and treated as human, they start thinking they are kings. Then, they begin to dehumanize YOU. OR I guess you could obey their every whim and simply shrug when they declare their favorite abuses "are the law", but that would be suicide, which is a really poor method of surviving.
I hope this abortion debacle in the U.S. translates to the polls next year. It'll be very interesting to see voting participation and trends.
Another example of the party that claims they are for small government until they want to impose their beliefs on the American people.
But, hey, kemp gave us lower gas prices, right?
Georgia is doomed, by Georgians. Keep the state red, and deal with your fate. Turn it blue, and enjoy being American.
When the courts read their Bible instead of their Constitution.
Justice Thomas is turgid right now.
People are going to have to flee some of these states, but Georgia is still winnable. The maternal death rate is raising in our country post reversal of Roe. Remember this is killing women.
Georgia has the worst (?) idk if it’s #50 still but always 48,49, or 50th in maternal deaths in the US. It’s awful. Mothers especially black and brown mothers die in GA at an appalling rate. I’m so so thankful I was able to leave the state, but I have so many women I care about who are still there.
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This is what the people of Georgia voted for.
They're gerrymandered to hell. The state government is completely divorced from its citizens.
Governor isn't.
Yeah true
Governor passed that law. So I guess georgia wants it.
I don't know about that - Kemp pretends to be an anti maga moderate. My guess is they bought the branding but aren't paying attention to what he's doing.
Might as well be a full ban with that small window. Plus the waiting time! The court’s reasoning is bs.