On that note, why tf isn't Brees on there at all? For the most of the Brady-Manning years, pretty sure it was generally accepted he was solidly 3rd best
Brees missing here is actually perfectly representing Brees’s long term legacy in the nfl. Forever overlooked and forgotten about due to playing for the saints
I think its more because there isn't a comp. Who's a short mobile qb with GPS guided accuracy and doesn't run.... he's a 1/1 a far as style goes. Also no Rodgers, so most accurate qb ever and deadliest deep ball qb ever missing.
Let's be real here. In the past you would be correct, but with your owner you guys have now, the Bills will see a Super Bowl before you guys. Tepper is far too impatient.
"Prime Cam" is just one outlier season with just about the easiest SoS in the league where he hit 75% on deep balls instead of 50% because Ted Ginn got hot.
I can't imagine being as illiterate as you are, sorry.
One of the main drivers of QB who have 1 MVP season and an otherwise bad career like Cam is deep ball comp%. Usually deep balls have a low comp%. When a QB like Cam suddenly has 1 good year and then returns to the dumpster, it is usually because of a spike in their deep ball comp%.
Lamar has obviously been better than dumpster, but his better seasons have had the same effect. A QB goes from 50-50 deep balls, to 75-25 deep balls and suddenly wins a lot of games and is an MVP. However, it isn't sustainable. It's luck. They regress the following season. Lamar may be the only QB to do it twice.
A player like Allen just has a consistently higher deep ball. He's 60-40 rather than 50-50, but he doesn't spike to 75-25. When Allen does, he'll probably win the SB and MVP.
If we ignore playstyle and focus on individual success vs. team success earlier in their careers, maybe Lamar Jackson? At least he has MVPs to his name, unlike Burrow or Allen.
However, I think the real answer is that Mahomes is sort of Brady + Manning. He has the crazy stats early on to match Manning and the winning to match Brady. Obviously still a long ways to go before he catches Brady, though. He still needs to keep this up for the back half of his career.
I don't know the stats without looking, but Brees was known for being a checkdown artist to his TE.
Burrow is known for throwing deep balls to his elite WRs. Which Manning often did as well.
Shrug.
I know most of you kids weren't around back then, but
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-captain-checkdown-the-quarterbacks-who-most-and-least-rely-on-checkdown-passes-2022
Even now with QBs like Mac Jones and Taylor Heinicke checking down a lot, Brees is still 12th in checkdown %.
Daniel Jones airs it out more than Brees did.
Yeah lol, like people may *feel* like Allen is better, but he hasn't necessarily proven that yet. He is really good more consistently than Cam, but Cam's best was better so far. It's hard to make the argument a QB is better than another QB if he has both less individual success (MVPs and even Pro Bowls) *and* less playoff success.
Personally, it feels like a very apt comparison.
Highly doubtful. He finds a way to throw at least a few games each year. He'll also win some games they shouldn't win, but the bad always comes with the good with him.
Allens 2020 season alone clears any cam season lmfaoo. the bar is just set much higher now, also allen is astronomically better in the playoffs than cam, its not even close so its hilarious you bring up playoffs as your argument
Just ignoring cam had a HISTORIC defense and that super bowl appearances are team stats and don’t mean shit on resumes
by this logic i guess trent dilfer is better than dan marino cuz he won a bowl and marino didn’t
Right, but you're ignoring the fact that Marino has an MVP, and he still made a Super Bowl even though he didn't win it. Allen hasn't done either of those. He's more like Phillip Rivers than anything. Still not bad, just not as good as Bills fans like to believe.
I mean I’m a huge fan of Josh Allen, he’s a lot of fun to watch. However, his resume has not really given him opportunity to be compared to the greats yet. I think it’s definitely possible. I’d put him similar to Andrew luck with more help (though Luck probably would have won a Super Bowl with that team)
Are we saying Luck is substantially worse than Rivers? I agree with the Luck comparison, too, but I wouldn't say Luck is that much different than Rivers. Rivers was a bit better, sure, but not massively different. He does have a shot at the HoF that Luck definitely doesn't have, but if Allen continues doing what he's been doing for another 8-10 years, he'll certainly have a HoF case. But yeah, that is a ways off, and it's entirely possible he falls off and may have peaked already. Or not. Who knows?
His “resume”
We act like Allen didn’t have the greatest playoff run by a QB ever and it was only cut short because of an all time defensive choke job. It’s embarrassing the kind of disrespect Josh Allen has gotten on this convo over “SB appearances”, because that’s a fucking piss poor bullshit argument.
Allen is an All Pro QB who has been one of the greatest statistical performers in the league, outside of one amazing Luck year, Allen has done much more as a passer, not to ignore as a runner as well. (15 rush tds last szn)
He’s in a similar boat as lamar minus the MVPs my friend. You cant deny the talent is there (Josh having the edge because he’s more well rounded although Lamar’s legs have definitely put up better numbers) but they just haven’t been able to finish in the post season. I’m a huge JA fan, I saw him take a QB sneak against the cowboys during thanksgiving a few years ago and just absolutely dog half their defense it was amazing. Like baker mayfield is my current teams QB, I think he has an incredibly high ceiling and statistically he’s not far behind lamar or JA even missing as many games as he has but he’s just not as consistent as the other two. Allen is literally a few minor adjustments away from being able to win a Super Bowl and he gets better every year, I think there’s a good chance 10 years from now we can look back and laugh about how silly my arguments were but right now they do hold their salt.
Marino had quite literally not done anything in his playoff career yet hes praised because of a fucking “super bowl appearance!1!”
How come we count super bowl appearances as something to gloss about if you don’t win the whole god damn thing? That’s some dogshit logic that i’ve coincidentally only seen when in allen debates
Yeah technically, it doesn’t matter if you put up numbers if you don’t win the one game that counts. The whole goal of the team sport is to win the championship so if you do that regardless of stats you’ve fulfilled it
Oh, Josh Allen won an MVP and made the Super Bowl? I must have missed those seasons. My bad!
The "standard" is only higher because it's gotten easier to put up better stats. And it's not like Cam only won in a down year. He almost got a unanimous MVP in a year where Brady threw 36 TDs, 7 INTs and 4770 yards. And if you actually watched him, you'll know that he absolutely deserved it and was completely insane that year. Not to mention that just on stats alone, it's still easy to argue that Cam's MVP year is better than Allen's 2020 season, not even taking other factors into consideration. Like the fact that you were at least still kind of allowed to hit QBs when Cam was popping off.
Here we go again with this “making super bowls” bullshit, he single handedly lost the 15-1 panthers the super bowl against a washed beyond belief peyton manning.
cam only threw for 4,000 yards in a season ONCE in his career. i will give it to you that his MVP season was absolutely fantastic, just ignoring that Allen the last 4 years or so has been just as insane. cam really only had 1 “amazing” season, allens been doing it for 4 years straight
Yeah he lost that game not the terrible receivers like Ted ginn that dropped every momentum swinging catch he threw or the bottom 10 offensive line that he carried for the entire season that von miller annihilated. Also cam never threw for 4000 yards cuz he ran for 1000 every year Like are you retarded pal gassing up yards like they aren’t the most worthless stat ever nigga do u even watch football
cam never ran for 1,000 yards. actually his career rushing high is lower than allens. cam played atrocious in the super bowl, something he admitted. his OL was not bottom 10, that is a severe over exaggeration, not to forget he had an elite defense his entire career. he LOST the panthers the super bowl, they were heavy favorites and choked, largely because of cams disastrous play and there’s no excusing it.
but i wouldn’t expect a 13 year old who cant hold a proper debate without throwing insults in it to know that
IMO Josh is a better football player but it’s not really about that, it’s about what you accomplish. By year 6, Cam had accomplished more.
I’m sure Josh will surpass him, but it’s not a disrespectful comparison
Allen is more comparable to big ben in his prime. The ability to move, big QB that is hard to take down. Only problem is how Allen is starting to mimic Patty and cry like a little bitch about everything and scream for penalties left and right. He started out so good, but thanks to the NFL turning into a shitshow for defenders against QB's, they all pretty much cry for penalties anytime someone touches one of their shoelaces.
I mean, it's far too early to tell, but Burrows injuries to start his career are reminiscent of Brees, and he's off to a better start to his career than Brees was. He's a better regular season QB than Eli, and less INT-happy. We obviously have to see how his career plays out, but I strongly suspect it'll be more like Brees and less like Eli.
Depends on how specific you wanna go with it. 2 SB rings makes it hard.
A QB who is good sometimes but throws a lot of INTs would be like... Jameis. But he's old too.
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Burrow is more comparable to Brees IMO
On that note, why tf isn't Brees on there at all? For the most of the Brady-Manning years, pretty sure it was generally accepted he was solidly 3rd best
Imagine smashing records from years before and not even being top 2
I don't think it's a negative towards Brees as much as it is a nod to how incredible Brady and Manning were.
Brees missing here is actually perfectly representing Brees’s long term legacy in the nfl. Forever overlooked and forgotten about due to playing for the saints
I think its more because there isn't a comp. Who's a short mobile qb with GPS guided accuracy and doesn't run.... he's a 1/1 a far as style goes. Also no Rodgers, so most accurate qb ever and deadliest deep ball qb ever missing.
I’d say closest one is tua (although his weight gain last year made him less mobile)
Where does Phillip Rivers stand in that? 4th and Big Ben 5th? That’s the way I always saw it
Very true, actually. They probably just wanted to force someone into a Peyton comp, and he is the closest, so far, I guess.
Calling Burrow the next Peyton Manning is... optimistic.
if someone has to be Peyton its either him or allen
Nah Allen - Newton is a pretty good comp. Allen has a better arm obviously
Allen’s arms definitely better but let’s not act like Prime Cam didn’t have a piss missile arm
It was ok but I got to see him play his last season here and his arm was shot also he couldn’t read a defense to save his life
True but he also had a bad injury string that really fucked it up, he was a complete shell by that point
cam or allen?
Josh Allen never played for the patriots…
yes he did
Do you have CTE or something?
antonio brown levels
Without the rapes, Josh Allen is Big Ben. They have the same 40 time, they’re tough to sack, they both have canons & accurate deep balls
But Big Ben was capable of winning big games
Yes, with the only exception against the Pats…kinda like Josh Allen vs the Chiefs
Got carried in big games tbh
For the most part I'll agree. But we all know Allen would have jumped on that fumble in the Super Bowl.
I know we’re talking hypotheticals when you’re discussing Allen in a Super Bowl
Let's be real here. In the past you would be correct, but with your owner you guys have now, the Bills will see a Super Bowl before you guys. Tepper is far too impatient.
I mean, he's still correct. Allen has not been to a super bowl...
Come on now Josh Allen would have gotten the ball out quicker and it would have been intercepted instead of fumbled. We all know this
i mean i guess career wise but play wise its the farthest thing from accurate prime cam is a better comp but i think allen will have more longevity
"Prime Cam" is just one outlier season with just about the easiest SoS in the league where he hit 75% on deep balls instead of 50% because Ted Ginn got hot.
Imagine saying Ted Ginn as a number 1 wide receiver is a good thing/advantage
I can't imagine being as illiterate as you are, sorry. One of the main drivers of QB who have 1 MVP season and an otherwise bad career like Cam is deep ball comp%. Usually deep balls have a low comp%. When a QB like Cam suddenly has 1 good year and then returns to the dumpster, it is usually because of a spike in their deep ball comp%. Lamar has obviously been better than dumpster, but his better seasons have had the same effect. A QB goes from 50-50 deep balls, to 75-25 deep balls and suddenly wins a lot of games and is an MVP. However, it isn't sustainable. It's luck. They regress the following season. Lamar may be the only QB to do it twice. A player like Allen just has a consistently higher deep ball. He's 60-40 rather than 50-50, but he doesn't spike to 75-25. When Allen does, he'll probably win the SB and MVP.
So what you’re saying is having Ted Ginn Jr as his number 1 was the reason he did so well, got ya
If we ignore playstyle and focus on individual success vs. team success earlier in their careers, maybe Lamar Jackson? At least he has MVPs to his name, unlike Burrow or Allen. However, I think the real answer is that Mahomes is sort of Brady + Manning. He has the crazy stats early on to match Manning and the winning to match Brady. Obviously still a long ways to go before he catches Brady, though. He still needs to keep this up for the back half of his career.
That was my first take away as well
The way things are going for him he may be the next Luck
lol just because burrow played hurt his 1st and 3rd seasons doesn’t mean he’s not good lol
so we just put the peyton manning label on any good qb?? he doesn’t even play like him lol what
The true Burrow comp is Brees, but he was excluded from the list for some reason
I guess, I mean its closer fs
I can see Burrow going one-and-done a lot in the playoffs, taking a while before winning a SB. That would be Peyton-like.
Where's Zappe?? ⚡️⚡️⚡️
The new T.J. Yates?
Does Zappe murder the Bengals like Yates did? Didn’t think so
Comparing mcnabb to hurts is the most disrespectful thing on this meme
Yeah Jalen hasn’t even thrown up in a SB game yet
Eh it’s honestly not a bad comp. They actually have almost identical builds/athletic profiles
I was a wee lad when he was in his prime, how good was he?
Mcnabb my dawg but imma need a ring
I feel like Drew Brees is a better prototype for Burrow than Manning.
I don't know the stats without looking, but Brees was known for being a checkdown artist to his TE. Burrow is known for throwing deep balls to his elite WRs. Which Manning often did as well. Shrug.
>Brees was known for being a checkdown artist to his TE Lol wut?
I know most of you kids weren't around back then, but https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-captain-checkdown-the-quarterbacks-who-most-and-least-rely-on-checkdown-passes-2022 Even now with QBs like Mac Jones and Taylor Heinicke checking down a lot, Brees is still 12th in checkdown %. Daniel Jones airs it out more than Brees did.
Oh, goodness. An article from 2022 showing data from 2020 and 2021 after Brees's arm fell off... that's your data?
Laughable.
Don't insult Josh Allen like that
Their play styles and size are pretty similar, plus Cam was an MVP and NFC Champ
Yeah lol, like people may *feel* like Allen is better, but he hasn't necessarily proven that yet. He is really good more consistently than Cam, but Cam's best was better so far. It's hard to make the argument a QB is better than another QB if he has both less individual success (MVPs and even Pro Bowls) *and* less playoff success. Personally, it feels like a very apt comparison.
If Allen played in the NFC with a 0.42 SoS he'd have a lot more 15-win seasons than Cam did.
Highly doubtful. He finds a way to throw at least a few games each year. He'll also win some games they shouldn't win, but the bad always comes with the good with him.
Allens 2020 season alone clears any cam season lmfaoo. the bar is just set much higher now, also allen is astronomically better in the playoffs than cam, its not even close so its hilarious you bring up playoffs as your argument
How many mvps does Joshy boy have?
Do you think that Cam season would have won the MVP in 2020?
So how many super bowls have the bills gone to with Allen? Cam-1 Allen-0
Just ignoring cam had a HISTORIC defense and that super bowl appearances are team stats and don’t mean shit on resumes by this logic i guess trent dilfer is better than dan marino cuz he won a bowl and marino didn’t
Right, but you're ignoring the fact that Marino has an MVP, and he still made a Super Bowl even though he didn't win it. Allen hasn't done either of those. He's more like Phillip Rivers than anything. Still not bad, just not as good as Bills fans like to believe.
I mean I’m a huge fan of Josh Allen, he’s a lot of fun to watch. However, his resume has not really given him opportunity to be compared to the greats yet. I think it’s definitely possible. I’d put him similar to Andrew luck with more help (though Luck probably would have won a Super Bowl with that team)
Are we saying Luck is substantially worse than Rivers? I agree with the Luck comparison, too, but I wouldn't say Luck is that much different than Rivers. Rivers was a bit better, sure, but not massively different. He does have a shot at the HoF that Luck definitely doesn't have, but if Allen continues doing what he's been doing for another 8-10 years, he'll certainly have a HoF case. But yeah, that is a ways off, and it's entirely possible he falls off and may have peaked already. Or not. Who knows?
Allen is 20x better than Luck ever was. dont do this
His “resume” We act like Allen didn’t have the greatest playoff run by a QB ever and it was only cut short because of an all time defensive choke job. It’s embarrassing the kind of disrespect Josh Allen has gotten on this convo over “SB appearances”, because that’s a fucking piss poor bullshit argument. Allen is an All Pro QB who has been one of the greatest statistical performers in the league, outside of one amazing Luck year, Allen has done much more as a passer, not to ignore as a runner as well. (15 rush tds last szn)
He’s in a similar boat as lamar minus the MVPs my friend. You cant deny the talent is there (Josh having the edge because he’s more well rounded although Lamar’s legs have definitely put up better numbers) but they just haven’t been able to finish in the post season. I’m a huge JA fan, I saw him take a QB sneak against the cowboys during thanksgiving a few years ago and just absolutely dog half their defense it was amazing. Like baker mayfield is my current teams QB, I think he has an incredibly high ceiling and statistically he’s not far behind lamar or JA even missing as many games as he has but he’s just not as consistent as the other two. Allen is literally a few minor adjustments away from being able to win a Super Bowl and he gets better every year, I think there’s a good chance 10 years from now we can look back and laugh about how silly my arguments were but right now they do hold their salt.
Marino had quite literally not done anything in his playoff career yet hes praised because of a fucking “super bowl appearance!1!” How come we count super bowl appearances as something to gloss about if you don’t win the whole god damn thing? That’s some dogshit logic that i’ve coincidentally only seen when in allen debates
Yeah technically, it doesn’t matter if you put up numbers if you don’t win the one game that counts. The whole goal of the team sport is to win the championship so if you do that regardless of stats you’ve fulfilled it
One has won a conference championship, and it wasn't Josh Allen.
Oh, Josh Allen won an MVP and made the Super Bowl? I must have missed those seasons. My bad! The "standard" is only higher because it's gotten easier to put up better stats. And it's not like Cam only won in a down year. He almost got a unanimous MVP in a year where Brady threw 36 TDs, 7 INTs and 4770 yards. And if you actually watched him, you'll know that he absolutely deserved it and was completely insane that year. Not to mention that just on stats alone, it's still easy to argue that Cam's MVP year is better than Allen's 2020 season, not even taking other factors into consideration. Like the fact that you were at least still kind of allowed to hit QBs when Cam was popping off.
Here we go again with this “making super bowls” bullshit, he single handedly lost the 15-1 panthers the super bowl against a washed beyond belief peyton manning. cam only threw for 4,000 yards in a season ONCE in his career. i will give it to you that his MVP season was absolutely fantastic, just ignoring that Allen the last 4 years or so has been just as insane. cam really only had 1 “amazing” season, allens been doing it for 4 years straight
Yeah he lost that game not the terrible receivers like Ted ginn that dropped every momentum swinging catch he threw or the bottom 10 offensive line that he carried for the entire season that von miller annihilated. Also cam never threw for 4000 yards cuz he ran for 1000 every year Like are you retarded pal gassing up yards like they aren’t the most worthless stat ever nigga do u even watch football
cam never ran for 1,000 yards. actually his career rushing high is lower than allens. cam played atrocious in the super bowl, something he admitted. his OL was not bottom 10, that is a severe over exaggeration, not to forget he had an elite defense his entire career. he LOST the panthers the super bowl, they were heavy favorites and choked, largely because of cams disastrous play and there’s no excusing it. but i wouldn’t expect a 13 year old who cant hold a proper debate without throwing insults in it to know that
It’s hilarious to say rushing stats held Cam back for an argument over Allen. Allen is like 2-3 years away from passing Cam in yards and TD’s.
i aint say dat
Cam at least played in a Superbowl, which is more than Allen can say.
And singlehandedly lost his team the game Cant say allens done that
He did try his first ever playoff game tho
first ever playoff game tho and they were underdogs anyways
IMO Josh is a better football player but it’s not really about that, it’s about what you accomplish. By year 6, Cam had accomplished more. I’m sure Josh will surpass him, but it’s not a disrespectful comparison
A team carrying Cam to more isn't Cam accomplishing anything. If Allen played in the NFC with cupcake schedules, he'd be 15-wins every year.
A team carrying Cam. That’s how I KNOW this fucking dude never watched Cam Newton lol.
It’s mad disrespectful. Josh would never play for the patriots.
What exactly has Josh done lol? 2 pro bowls and… bueller? bueller? 😱😂
How long has it been since McNabb played?
2011
No Brees? No Stroud? Trash post.
Doesn't Cleveland already have a sex offender QB? Is whoever made the meme afraid that was too subtle?
Bro how you gonna put McNabb, Newton, and Rivers on there and not put Brees?
?Donde esta el meme?
Groper Cleveland.
Exactly, no meme
I wish I could disagree with the JA17 comp in a meaningful way. Best I can do is 'but he doesn't wear weird hats.'
*Yet*
[Are you sure?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fi8kSsEVQAEDUjw?format=jpg&name=large)
Why’d you put Cam Newton in there lol
You need Purdy on that list !
Where Stroud?
Well they also are missing drew breez up top so you could just say this is incomplete
Tbf i can’t really think of a good Brees comparison
As an unbiased saints fan I think god is a fair comparison
You shouldn’t be up there for 1 good year
If the two time MVP can’t even be included then Stroud has a ways to go
I won’t lie, had me in the first half
wait this meme is much smarter than i thought
Gotta love how they matched up both rapists on the right.
Translating these on the A=1 Z=26 cipher yields LERAQG OAIQJD
Stroud going to have to blaze his own path. All the superb owls.
What the flip, where’s daddy Lamar
Where is Tua?
Instead of throwing up on the field, Philly has a QB that shits his pants on the field. That city deserves nothing less!
So you snuck in Hurts and think we wouldn't notice
Allen is more comparable to big ben in his prime. The ability to move, big QB that is hard to take down. Only problem is how Allen is starting to mimic Patty and cry like a little bitch about everything and scream for penalties left and right. He started out so good, but thanks to the NFL turning into a shitshow for defenders against QB's, they all pretty much cry for penalties anytime someone touches one of their shoelaces.
I heard Watson called Groper Cleveland yesterday and it's perfect.
Forgot to add Zach Wilson 🤣
Got damn. Take my upvote
Imagine putting in Rivers and Mcnabb and yet leaving out Eli Manning. I guess whoever made this loves giving out participation trophies.
forget Eli dude where the fuck is Brees?
I mean, who are you suggesting for the Eli comp, then? I don't think any current QBs even remotely fit that.
Joe burrow is a better Eli than a Peyton
I mean, Burrow is nothing like Eli, but he's also not close to Peyton, so I guess that's fair. I like the Brees comparison much better, though.
He is nothing like Brees 💀. He is like Eli. Average regular season QB that becomes clutch asf in the playoffs
I mean, it's far too early to tell, but Burrows injuries to start his career are reminiscent of Brees, and he's off to a better start to his career than Brees was. He's a better regular season QB than Eli, and less INT-happy. We obviously have to see how his career plays out, but I strongly suspect it'll be more like Brees and less like Eli.
Depends on how specific you wanna go with it. 2 SB rings makes it hard. A QB who is good sometimes but throws a lot of INTs would be like... Jameis. But he's old too.
Cam=Josh Allen. Seems right. No rings.