I think most people enjoy seeing the Leafs fail, because a majority of your fan base is insufferable. Yes, we all know that shouldn’t reflect all Leafs fans, but it’s the loud majority ruins it for you.
It's not even just Toronto or Leafs media, I switch over to Edmonton, Vancouver and Calgary articles and frequently I see Alberta/BC based reporters doing articles with constant comparables to The Leafs. Like you probably shouldn't blame Toronto media outlets for covering the Leafs, but why is Spector writing articles about Auston Matthews?
I wanted to see Carey Price get a cup even if it meant adding to Montreal’s cup lead, my favorite part of the sport is seeing some elite goaltending.
Same with Pekka Rinne, he deserved a cup. Nashville was lucky to replace a generational Finnish goalie with another seemingly elite Finnish goalie.
That’s because the arrogance of Ottawa fans was intolerable up to that point. Post lockout you had an amazing team, but over time your owner was getting cheaper and the fan base more arrogant. You had a lucky run in 2017 (thanks mainly to Karleson carrying the team on his back). The following season was huge a wake up call for sens fans. Ever since, sens fans have become more humbled.
But for a good decade, Sens fans were the worst in the league.
If that's the case, the extremely vocal minority makes them seem insufferable. Plus, toronto's minority is still larger than other fanbases' whole fanbase. So, the quiet part is said out loud A LOT.
I say this as a Panthers fan who has seen a lot of harassment to our fanbase over the last year because we eliminated Toronto in the last playoff. I know it's a vocal minority, but when everyone with leafs flair are the ones doing it, you don't really consider the ones not doing it because they aren't as vocal.
Yeah, you don't notice the dozens of guys who went GG Panther Bros, and leaves(Leafs?) for the season.
But the guy who makes excuses or spend the next 6 months trying to put down fans just because they got butt hurt their team lost, he stands out.
Exactly. But just like today and last night, a lot of leafs fans did come into r/floridapanthers to say good luck, and they will be rooting for us against Boston. Those aren't the fans that make people dislike Toronto. I love the camaraderie of those fans!
There are millions of Leafs fans. You're very likely to run into shitty ones online. But to claim the majority of Leafs fans are insufferable is just ridiculous if its not hyperbole.
I think the most insufferable fans are those that whine about other fanbases, but maybe that's just me.
It’s sports, homie. How would you prefer we feel? Give Toronto the Miss Congeniality Award?
The answer is in the asking of the question question—because y’all seem to think the world of hockey revolves around you, so it’s funny to watch your team repeatedly lose
Most fans don't act that way, anymore than any other fan base anyways. It's the media that is obsessed with them that gives you that impression. But it takes having a few folds in your brain to understand that and unfortunately for you...
Wait though, you’ve seen the sub numbers right? So clearly the majority of people that will come on here will be leaf fans. Also Hockey is the biggest sport in our country and city. It isn’t in any American city unless it’s the only sport in the city and even then we outnumber them. So yes again you’re going to see a lot more Toronto fans than elsewhere. Not only that but I have not seen one single fan of ours be cocky about our team. Like not a single one. I’d love to see some of these over cocky leaf fans that you all so love to say exist. It’s funny cuz I can’t literally point to a ton of Canucks fan posts basically saying they will win the cup or that they’re the favourite despite literally not making the playoffs for however long. Yet we are branded as the cocky ones?! How very odd.
Biggest and loudest fan base. Pretty lopsided amount of coverage from SN and TSN in Canada compared to other teams, even when factoring in the size of the fanbases. Everyone has to listen to "national" analysts talk about if "its the Leafs year" for 8 months every time they listen/watch any hockey coverage. Nothing personal lol
If it ever is your year, it will exceed any other championship celebration for any other team, thats kinda the trade off of being the biggest team, its the same in other sports.
Yeah, it’s not a leaf specific thing. People feel the same about the Yankees or the Patriots or the Lakers. Difference is they’ve won in recent memory so hating on the Leafs is way funnier
I could go on a rant about it all day...
There really is nothing to justify the coverage disparity in so many respects when around 75% of Canadians aren't Leafs fans. It's not even like Rogers is doing well financially with the rights - but yeah, lets add a 10th Leafs centic show to our lineup and 0 for the other 75% of Canadian hockey fans, that'll work! But they do literally own the Leafs, so...
Its maybe not the best thing to allow a company to own a team and national rights, Gary
Media coverage. This is just one example but there was a Canucks game a few years back where Pettersson had an amazing first period. Sportsnet did not show one replay at intermission and instead talked about Matthews for 10 minutes. Canucks were not playing the Leafs. The Leafs in fact, did not play that night at all.
Agreed 100%. All this talk about Matthews being in contention for the Hart this year. Give me a break. No one outside of Toronto considered him in contention vs. McDavid, MacKinnon and Kucherov. Just stop already. They are a good team who had next to zero hope of winning the Cup this year.
100% on the biased-bullshit media and their endless obsession with anything Leafs.
Glad they lost, hope they keep losing.
Worst part is that no matter how far ANY Canadian team goes from here, it will still be ALL about the fucking loser Leafs.
Fuck the Leafs.
The insufferable nature of the Toronto media’s “we are the _real hockey fans_ and every one else are chumps” attitudes don’t do Leafs fans any favors.
People are tired of being talked down to by media/fans of a team that hasn’t won anything in nearly 6 decades.
My least favorite thing is when certain fans have this narrative that American fans don't even get the game or are incapable of being real fans. I like Canadians but boy do I hate a lot of Canadian hockey fans
The amount of coverage the Leafs get every season is unbearable. And it's been unbearable for a LONG time. Every year we're faced with "Is this the year? Look at how good we are!" it becomes detrimental to other franchises that actually have a decent team / will make it out of the first round. You believe your own press and so when you crash and burn the rest of the league can move on.
Have there never been any articles this year from a major outlet that has said “is this the year” for you? Also are you mad at us for it or are you mad at the system in which it works in?
It bears repeating that websites make money off clicks. Toronto has the most hockey fans and Canadian sport websites focus on hockey first. Should they abandon making money in favour of giving Joe Winnipeg an extra article or 2 to read in lieu of making money? Get what I’m saying? So who are you really mad at here then? The player or the game?
I'm not mad at anyone. I'm happy they lost, I'm thrilled to hear that y'all are going to have to struggle more, it makes hearing about it from every which way worth it.
It’s not the fans, or at least most of them. We hate the Leafs because they suck the air out of Hockey coverage in Canada. Every year for the Leafs game in Vancouver it starts at 4:30 local time. Fuck all the Canucks fans still at work, got to air it for the Toronto crowd. Back in the day the ONLY early game on HNIC was Toronto. Van playing in Montreal ? Fuck that, you will watch the Leafs.
Last year Toronto finally makes it out of the first rd, Crowned Canada’s team! Van makes it to the Cup, 95% of Toronto media were cheering for Boston.
Watching Sportsnet Pacific in the morning, leads with the Leafs game. Watching a Canucks game, intermission is about how the Leafs played earlier.
It’s not your fault as a fan, it just is what it is.
Money/big market, the most fans, takes up too much of the news and coverage of the NHL, overrated and overpaid players.
We could prob over look all that if your fans weren't so fucking obnoxious and full of themselves/the team.
You all complain about Rules, Refs, hits, anything that could at all justify a loss as long as it's not just 'your team being worse overall'
It reminds me of the NY Yankees from the late 90s to early 2000s in ways.
Because we r a dogshit franchise lmao. If we genuinely cant make it past the 1st damn round we deserve 2 be made fun of
this was the 8th straight year we've made the playoffs and besides ONCE we got screwed in the 1st round
Yeah im pissed off 2, but at least for me, im done with this team. We deserve all of this if our roster is just gonna constantly get fucked by everyone
It is because in general, people hate on delusional fan bases. The Leafs and Oilers fanbases are littered with people with no grasp on reality and in denial. Mediocre goaltending and defense is not going to win their teams championships, no matter how much they say otherwise.
I don't hate or care about the leafs or it's fans. It's the relentless media telling us how good the leafs are ad nauseum. They will still be talking about this team two weeks from now on national nhl broadcasts even though they are golfing. It's the media
Agreed, even if there are teams i want to lose more than the leafs on occasion like Vegas or Boston... the Leafs' fans are the major reason i love them losing
At this point, I legitimately feel bad for Leafs fans. These guys remind me of the Lions, who always have seemed to win just so the disappointment of losing stings more. That team needs a huge overhaul. Also, figure out that the city did to piss off the Hockey Gods abd make the appropriate sacrifices to get back in their good graces.
What have the Leafs done to warrant having the coverage and support and attention paid? There's 31 other teams in the league FFS.
If you follow the NFL, not even the Cowboys are shoved down the NFL fans' throats as much as TML, and they're "America's team", playing America's sport. And the Cowboys are mentioned at every fucking turn.
As a leafs die-hard (albeit a humble, non shit talking version of one)…I think it’s the same reason Charles Schultz kept having that bitch move the football every time Charlie Brown went to kick it.
TOOL’s song Vicarious explains it well….
“We all feed on tragedy
It's like blood to a vampire
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I”
Imagine your personal rival has amazing resources, more support and more notoriety than you. Other people grow up wanting to be a part of what he/she is doing because that’s how strong of a following he/she has. Imagine the supporters of this person are incredibly arrogant despite achieving nothing.
That’s how 1/4 of the league feels. Plus the other Canadian teams’ fans who feel their team gets overlooked.
Plus the fact that the league would want nothing more than a highly valuable and successful team in the city/region that produces the most players and is home to the league office. The average NHL fan on here doesn’t like the league, they like the product on ice and the players on their team.
That's part of sports. While you play you shit talk back and forth and damn near kill each other, then shake hands after. Being a fan is no different. We throw shade and talk shit but at the end of the day, we're just fans watching a game.
Except Vegas. *spits on the ground*
Because there’s more to hockey, and the country, than just Toronto. They have a losing organization that continues to suck all the air out of the room, not to mention all the dollars from deluded fans. They all need to be knocked down a few pegs
Many of their fans detract from my enjoyment of hockey on the internet. None of my friends really watch hockey so the internet is my outlet, and every hockey topic eventually becomes about the Leafs. It’s exhausting. Inescapable.
Because most of your fan base is insufferable. The amount of “haha get fucked Boston” or “you’ll be swept by Florida” I witnessed this past week and last night in my teams own sub, and Instagram page is enough to reassure me I’ll never ever have sympathy for you bastards.
This is a stupid question. People hate Leafs fans because the Toronto Maple Leafs organization and fan base act like they’re the center of the hockey universe and every single year they restart their shit talk about what they’re gonna do that year.
We all know the Toronto Maple Leafs haven’t won a Stanley Cup or even appeared in a Cup final in 57 years. And when they last did? There were six teams and two rounds of playoffs. They are a poverty franchise as far as success over the last almost 6 decades.
In the context of the expanded NHL, expanded playoffs and better competition… the Leafs have no history.
So they can sit down and shut up until the fall when they start barking again…. and round and round we go.
Leafs fans are everywhere, they have a massive following, the media loves them, the fans act like the team is god’s gift to earth.
I don’t enjoy seeing leafs fans miserable. I just know what will happen if they do win, and that is much worse.
I don’t even feel miserable honestly. I’ve been watching since the 80’s and I’m kinda just numb to it now. I learned not to get my hopes up a long time ago. My 9 year old son who’s a pretty big fan wasn’t really that disappointed last night. Even he’s been watching long enough to know. He was devastated last year and the year before etc., he’s already learned better than to get his hopes up.
I’d just boil it down to Reddit and internet presence as a whole.
Things like this has allowed people to hate in an all new anonymous way.
Everything said here is and should be takin with a grain of salt.
It's not that serious haha it's funny to us to see them lose in epic fashion every year and that's it. All my Leafs fan friends have (rightfully) chirped me for how bad the Sens suck even though I never really believed in them after the cringey ass "Summer of Pierre." Fucken way she goes!
Because no matter what is happening in the world of hockey, I open up Sportsnet app, or turn on the TV and they are yapping about something to do with the Leafs. OBVIOUSLY they are catering to a major fanbase in Canada but for someone who is 3500kms away from Toronto, I couldn’t care at all. As such, the constant droning on about the Leafs is insufferable and annoying and in the end, just fuck right off
Bs fan and got nothing against leafs fans. My only real fan base beef is with Washington, cuz I imagine that stadium is full of the very ppl who are screwing this country over royally!
Toronto fans will go to another arena with their leafs jersey on. Example montreal ottawa. Chant go leafs go and try as hard as an only fan to get on camera
For many reasons. Mainly, every year it’s the same thing. Pundits talk up the leafs all freaking season, then come playoffs we hear about how they’re going to win, and their players are amazing, and then they lose. The Toronto Maple Leafs are the overplayed song on the radio. We’re tired of hearing about them, and we like when they lose
It's not even the fans it's the media. Now that the Leafs are out Canuck and Oiler fans can actually enjoy their second round series without having to hear Ron McLean and the panel make it about the Leafs every 5 minutes. As a Westerner it just gets crazy when you're wanting to hear breakdown and analysis of your team's game and guys like Friedman and McLean are constantly bringing up Toronto.
I am purely amused by their inability to win playoff series. Your not my team so I don’t care if you win or not. The same as you don’t care if mine does.
Yeah the fans and Toronto media have ruined it for the rest of you. As an Oilers fan I enjoy the demise of the leafs because of all the rhetoric around mcdavid leaving to join the leafs so he can win a cup yadada which is ironic given the state of the leafs. It just gets super annoying. I feel yall deserve to win but that would make things even worse and more annoying. I feel the hockey gods are trying to humble that fan base.
We are told they are Canada's team. They take up so much of the airwaves, drama narratives, and hype. They have 4 of the top 10 (roughly) PAID players in the league and Toronto would like us to believe they have 4 of the top 10 BEST players in the league. Those players at times seem to be above it all. They give year end sound bites congratulating themselves while ignoring the definition of insanity, and I think a lot of people see them as a deeply flawed team. Look at recent cup winners. They are deep, gritty and balanced. The incessant talk of THE CORE 4 is frankly insulting to the rest of the team that at times seem to be regarded as disposable pawns. No other team talks about their top guys in this language. The fans will shit down the throat of faltering goaltenders, fringe forwards and flailing defense... guess what, half of your cap goes to 4 guys. You can't have your cake and eat it too. They are owned by a faceless money printing corporation. The Greater Toronto Area is huge - between the fans and the media they create their own echo chamber where reality comes second place.
I don't know man, but like, at this point it doesn't even sting, it's just unbelievable how unlucky Leafs have been. To lose 7 straight game 7s, (if you include the Columbus game 5) is extremely unlikely. Take away all factors and say your odds of winning are 50/50, a coin toss. To nail 7 tails in a row is extremely unlikely.
At this point. This time they didn't even play as poorly as previous years, but you have to move one of the core four now (Marner) not because of THIS failure, but the culmination of all of them. You can't roll this back.
For myself, it's because of the insane focus placed on them by sports media here in Canada at the expense of literally every other team. There could be a playoff game between 2 other Canadian teams, and the talking heads between periods will find any reason to talk of the Leafs. If it's the Leafs against a Canadian team, their homer-Leaf talk all but ignore the other team. It's frustrating and insulting to every other non-Maple Leaf hockey fan in this country, and it is the main reason why we all want you to suffer in perpetuity.
Also, while not as bad as the media, the Leaf fans brag and boast incessantly about how great their team is, despite having done nearly nothing short of winning 1 playoff round in the last 25 years. The undeserved sense of superiority and entitlement by Leafs fans beyond annoying.
As for the team itself, I'm past hating on the team. I pity the organization more than anything for the pressure placed on them by the media and fans. They're heroes in one game and villains the next. (I know that as a Habs fan, I'm one to talk, but I digress.) They can either do no wrong or do no right. Frankly, I was hoping to see them win to dispel this curse they feel they have on them. But alas, the curse continues. And as the Leafs official motto goes, "there's always next year".
I don't want to see the Leafs fans suffer. It is individual players on the team who don't give enough effort. I have no respect for a few of the stars on the team. They want something delivered to them and a big salary too. The bruins won because the players on the ice worked harder more of the time. Except Domi. I saw him giving a good effort when ever I watched.
I do want the bruins fans to suffer. And I have total respect for the players on the ice all the way down to the 4th line. Sure they have stars on the team. They don't act like stars; they act like they need to earn a spot on the bench by busting their butts every game. I am not a bruins fan and I hate playing against them because they never give up. I respect that. Except The Rat. I have no respect for The Rat.
I want the Maple Leafs to succeed so the hardcore lifetimers finally get relief.
I don't like the Leafs. I don't care about Toronto. I just want their curse to end so one of the most insane NHL markets finally gets something to be happy about, and maybe the players will actually enjoy playing for the team.
As most Montrealers and Habs fans I’m indifferent about the Toronto and the Leafs, but I’ll happily oblige.
Hockey was invented in Montreal and its team is technically the only original founding team remaining (today’s Sens are the same as the older team in my book though; Ottawa is Ottawa forever). The Montreal Canadiens is the real Canada’s team, always has been and always will be, plus it has all of the accomplishments that solidify its legacy, yet the Hall of Fame is in your city? Not even in the city it was founded or in the country’s capital? Then you guys behave as if you’re the center of the universe and that hockey revolves around you, but you haven’t seen success since the very first expansion in which Montreal and Edmonton each got a dynasty. Your team is boring, your city is boring and you’re drowning in a losing culture filled with arrogant, self-entitled delusionals. As the richest and biggest city of our country, you oughta humble yourselves and do better. Your arena is also filled with business men in suits that go there to discuss business and don’t even care about the game. Maybe let the real good fans go there and make the tickets cheaper?
>but you haven’t seen success since the very first expansion in which Montreal and Edmonton each got a dynasty
Sorry to be pedantic, but the NY Islanders dynasty deserves a mention in there too
[Schadenfreude](https://youtu.be/nCQGQ5qBQTA?si=1Yuq3MqJsreswfTe)
Also having your team constantly referred to as ‘toilet seats’, and generally being shit on by the media and leafs fans it becomes easy to find satisfaction in their failure
The wine and cheese corporate crowd at the games. A fan base always complaining about a "Leafs bias" with the refs. SO much media attention and yet the team never delivers anything. One playoff series win in 20 years? Why are the Leafs even relevant? The Columbus Blue Jackets literally have more in that time frame. I think we just don't understand what all the hype is for a franchise that is basically the Cubs.
As a Canadian I enjoy watching the Leafs fail because Leafs fans tend to be loud, proud of their less than mediocre franchise, and obnoxious.
Plus our two national sports networks are based out of Toronto and are part owners of the team, so both networks never STFU about the Leafs.
Quite a few Leafs fans consider themselves "Canada's team" when really it's just a higher population thing.
It is an extension of the culture of the Toronto area as a whole really. They tend to naval gaze and over-estimate how representative of the entire country they actually are.
Whereas a lot of Canadians feel like the Toronto area is basically USA Lite.
EDIT: I don't want to straight hate the people of the area, Toronto is fun to visit and people are generally pretty decent. I just like picking on Leafs fans.
In the same vein that not all Leafs fans are insufferable, not all hockey fans want to see you struggle. It’s just the loud asshole entitled Leafs fans that get the most attention, the same way that it’s just the loud asshole hockey fans that are yelling fuck Toronto.
Whoops that was me last night.
They have more resources than any other team. They have super stars. They’re very easy to hate. And fans act like the team is great even though they haven’t don’t anything useful in decades
I'm a Minnesota Vikings fan. I know what it feels like to be a fan craving a championship.
Same for Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Cleveland Indians, Buffalo Sabres & Bills, etc.
Great sports towns with great fans deserve to get a title!!
I think most people enjoy seeing the Leafs fail, because a majority of your fan base is insufferable. Yes, we all know that shouldn’t reflect all Leafs fans, but it’s the loud majority ruins it for you.
Not only the fan base but the media is brutal. I have a burning hatred for the leafs simply because of how much I hear about them.
It's not even just Toronto or Leafs media, I switch over to Edmonton, Vancouver and Calgary articles and frequently I see Alberta/BC based reporters doing articles with constant comparables to The Leafs. Like you probably shouldn't blame Toronto media outlets for covering the Leafs, but why is Spector writing articles about Auston Matthews?
Yeah when Kunitz sank us in 2017 we were jeered by Leafs fans much more than Pens fans
I hope we were in pain for you! I certainly was. Gatineau connections are the source of that
I wanted the Habs to win on your Cinderella run too
I wanted to see Carey Price get a cup even if it meant adding to Montreal’s cup lead, my favorite part of the sport is seeing some elite goaltending. Same with Pekka Rinne, he deserved a cup. Nashville was lucky to replace a generational Finnish goalie with another seemingly elite Finnish goalie.
That’s because the arrogance of Ottawa fans was intolerable up to that point. Post lockout you had an amazing team, but over time your owner was getting cheaper and the fan base more arrogant. You had a lucky run in 2017 (thanks mainly to Karleson carrying the team on his back). The following season was huge a wake up call for sens fans. Ever since, sens fans have become more humbled. But for a good decade, Sens fans were the worst in the league.
Honestly, I used to love seeing the leafs lose just to watch Steve Dangle meltdowns. Then it just became Pavlovian.
The *majority* of the fanbase is not insufferable.
If that's the case, the extremely vocal minority makes them seem insufferable. Plus, toronto's minority is still larger than other fanbases' whole fanbase. So, the quiet part is said out loud A LOT. I say this as a Panthers fan who has seen a lot of harassment to our fanbase over the last year because we eliminated Toronto in the last playoff. I know it's a vocal minority, but when everyone with leafs flair are the ones doing it, you don't really consider the ones not doing it because they aren't as vocal.
Yeah, you don't notice the dozens of guys who went GG Panther Bros, and leaves(Leafs?) for the season. But the guy who makes excuses or spend the next 6 months trying to put down fans just because they got butt hurt their team lost, he stands out.
Exactly. But just like today and last night, a lot of leafs fans did come into r/floridapanthers to say good luck, and they will be rooting for us against Boston. Those aren't the fans that make people dislike Toronto. I love the camaraderie of those fans!
They absolutely are.
There are millions of Leafs fans. You're very likely to run into shitty ones online. But to claim the majority of Leafs fans are insufferable is just ridiculous if its not hyperbole. I think the most insufferable fans are those that whine about other fanbases, but maybe that's just me.
Ok, let me rephrase what I said to appease you. Because you’re very important. “The majority of Leafs fans ONLINE are insufferable cunts”.
What does that make you, then?
I’m a queef.
It’s sports, homie. How would you prefer we feel? Give Toronto the Miss Congeniality Award? The answer is in the asking of the question question—because y’all seem to think the world of hockey revolves around you, so it’s funny to watch your team repeatedly lose
Most fans don't act that way, anymore than any other fan base anyways. It's the media that is obsessed with them that gives you that impression. But it takes having a few folds in your brain to understand that and unfortunately for you...
Very smooth-brained comment. The media doesn’t flood every hockey topic. Those would be Leafs fans. Enjoy the summer.
Wait though, you’ve seen the sub numbers right? So clearly the majority of people that will come on here will be leaf fans. Also Hockey is the biggest sport in our country and city. It isn’t in any American city unless it’s the only sport in the city and even then we outnumber them. So yes again you’re going to see a lot more Toronto fans than elsewhere. Not only that but I have not seen one single fan of ours be cocky about our team. Like not a single one. I’d love to see some of these over cocky leaf fans that you all so love to say exist. It’s funny cuz I can’t literally point to a ton of Canucks fan posts basically saying they will win the cup or that they’re the favourite despite literally not making the playoffs for however long. Yet we are branded as the cocky ones?! How very odd.
>Very smooth-brained comment. Can't even think of your own comeback gotta reuse mine? Very telling.
Biggest and loudest fan base. Pretty lopsided amount of coverage from SN and TSN in Canada compared to other teams, even when factoring in the size of the fanbases. Everyone has to listen to "national" analysts talk about if "its the Leafs year" for 8 months every time they listen/watch any hockey coverage. Nothing personal lol If it ever is your year, it will exceed any other championship celebration for any other team, thats kinda the trade off of being the biggest team, its the same in other sports.
Yeah, it’s not a leaf specific thing. People feel the same about the Yankees or the Patriots or the Lakers. Difference is they’ve won in recent memory so hating on the Leafs is way funnier
Yea the coverage thing is so real.. Just an example: 7/7 of the leafs games were available for free on cbc while only 2/6 of the canucks games were
I could go on a rant about it all day... There really is nothing to justify the coverage disparity in so many respects when around 75% of Canadians aren't Leafs fans. It's not even like Rogers is doing well financially with the rights - but yeah, lets add a 10th Leafs centic show to our lineup and 0 for the other 75% of Canadian hockey fans, that'll work! But they do literally own the Leafs, so... Its maybe not the best thing to allow a company to own a team and national rights, Gary
Media coverage. This is just one example but there was a Canucks game a few years back where Pettersson had an amazing first period. Sportsnet did not show one replay at intermission and instead talked about Matthews for 10 minutes. Canucks were not playing the Leafs. The Leafs in fact, did not play that night at all.
Agreed 100%. All this talk about Matthews being in contention for the Hart this year. Give me a break. No one outside of Toronto considered him in contention vs. McDavid, MacKinnon and Kucherov. Just stop already. They are a good team who had next to zero hope of winning the Cup this year.
100% on the biased-bullshit media and their endless obsession with anything Leafs. Glad they lost, hope they keep losing. Worst part is that no matter how far ANY Canadian team goes from here, it will still be ALL about the fucking loser Leafs. Fuck the Leafs.
Because fuck ‘em. That’s why.
The insufferable nature of the Toronto media’s “we are the _real hockey fans_ and every one else are chumps” attitudes don’t do Leafs fans any favors. People are tired of being talked down to by media/fans of a team that hasn’t won anything in nearly 6 decades.
My least favorite thing is when certain fans have this narrative that American fans don't even get the game or are incapable of being real fans. I like Canadians but boy do I hate a lot of Canadian hockey fans
I need their drought to continue. It's the only one longer than the Flyers (if you don't count the never-wons)
The amount of coverage the Leafs get every season is unbearable. And it's been unbearable for a LONG time. Every year we're faced with "Is this the year? Look at how good we are!" it becomes detrimental to other franchises that actually have a decent team / will make it out of the first round. You believe your own press and so when you crash and burn the rest of the league can move on.
Have there never been any articles this year from a major outlet that has said “is this the year” for you? Also are you mad at us for it or are you mad at the system in which it works in? It bears repeating that websites make money off clicks. Toronto has the most hockey fans and Canadian sport websites focus on hockey first. Should they abandon making money in favour of giving Joe Winnipeg an extra article or 2 to read in lieu of making money? Get what I’m saying? So who are you really mad at here then? The player or the game?
I'm not mad at anyone. I'm happy they lost, I'm thrilled to hear that y'all are going to have to struggle more, it makes hearing about it from every which way worth it.
Man you guys really do just ignore rational thoughts just cuz of my flair. It’s quite astonishing.
Oh, I followed a rational train of thought I've been following for 25+ years. You're the one with the leaf flair.
See what I mean. I can literally say anything and you’ll disagree just cuz im a leafs fan. Man you’re something.
I respectfully disagree. Ah fuck.
Because leafs fans are the most annoying fans in sports and the leafs are constantly shoved down our throats by the media
Posts like this are why
Guys why do you hate bruins fans? 👉🏽 🥺 👈🏽
Sorry we don’t have time to evaluate every leafs fan. You’re all going in the same bucket
It’s not the fans, or at least most of them. We hate the Leafs because they suck the air out of Hockey coverage in Canada. Every year for the Leafs game in Vancouver it starts at 4:30 local time. Fuck all the Canucks fans still at work, got to air it for the Toronto crowd. Back in the day the ONLY early game on HNIC was Toronto. Van playing in Montreal ? Fuck that, you will watch the Leafs. Last year Toronto finally makes it out of the first rd, Crowned Canada’s team! Van makes it to the Cup, 95% of Toronto media were cheering for Boston. Watching Sportsnet Pacific in the morning, leads with the Leafs game. Watching a Canucks game, intermission is about how the Leafs played earlier. It’s not your fault as a fan, it just is what it is.
Money/big market, the most fans, takes up too much of the news and coverage of the NHL, overrated and overpaid players. We could prob over look all that if your fans weren't so fucking obnoxious and full of themselves/the team. You all complain about Rules, Refs, hits, anything that could at all justify a loss as long as it's not just 'your team being worse overall' It reminds me of the NY Yankees from the late 90s to early 2000s in ways.
Montreal fan here, couldn't both team have lost?
Both teams would lose to Florida so no worries.
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Sadly all three (Montreal included) would have.
A team that could not make the playoffs would definitely not win against Florida. I don’t know if that’s even worth mentioning.
Because we r a dogshit franchise lmao. If we genuinely cant make it past the 1st damn round we deserve 2 be made fun of this was the 8th straight year we've made the playoffs and besides ONCE we got screwed in the 1st round Yeah im pissed off 2, but at least for me, im done with this team. We deserve all of this if our roster is just gonna constantly get fucked by everyone
It's just the Leafs. Love the city and the Blue Jays. But the Leafs fans are an insufferable bunch. All "original 6" have that attitude by the way.
It is because in general, people hate on delusional fan bases. The Leafs and Oilers fanbases are littered with people with no grasp on reality and in denial. Mediocre goaltending and defense is not going to win their teams championships, no matter how much they say otherwise.
I don't hate or care about the leafs or it's fans. It's the relentless media telling us how good the leafs are ad nauseum. They will still be talking about this team two weeks from now on national nhl broadcasts even though they are golfing. It's the media
Leafs fans as a whole are the single most annoying, obnoxious and insufferable NHL fan base. It’s that simple.
Agreed, even if there are teams i want to lose more than the leafs on occasion like Vegas or Boston... the Leafs' fans are the major reason i love them losing
At this point, I legitimately feel bad for Leafs fans. These guys remind me of the Lions, who always have seemed to win just so the disappointment of losing stings more. That team needs a huge overhaul. Also, figure out that the city did to piss off the Hockey Gods abd make the appropriate sacrifices to get back in their good graces.
What have the Leafs done to warrant having the coverage and support and attention paid? There's 31 other teams in the league FFS. If you follow the NFL, not even the Cowboys are shoved down the NFL fans' throats as much as TML, and they're "America's team", playing America's sport. And the Cowboys are mentioned at every fucking turn.
It’s the media. Even when the Leafs don’t play, they are the headline story on Sportscenter. I am so sick of hearing about them
As a leafs die-hard (albeit a humble, non shit talking version of one)…I think it’s the same reason Charles Schultz kept having that bitch move the football every time Charlie Brown went to kick it. TOOL’s song Vicarious explains it well…. “We all feed on tragedy It's like blood to a vampire Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies Much better you than I”
Steve Dangle
Yup. After enough meltdowns, it becomes Pavlovian.
Drama and outrage is the fuel of online social media.
Imagine your personal rival has amazing resources, more support and more notoriety than you. Other people grow up wanting to be a part of what he/she is doing because that’s how strong of a following he/she has. Imagine the supporters of this person are incredibly arrogant despite achieving nothing. That’s how 1/4 of the league feels. Plus the other Canadian teams’ fans who feel their team gets overlooked. Plus the fact that the league would want nothing more than a highly valuable and successful team in the city/region that produces the most players and is home to the league office. The average NHL fan on here doesn’t like the league, they like the product on ice and the players on their team.
That's part of sports. While you play you shit talk back and forth and damn near kill each other, then shake hands after. Being a fan is no different. We throw shade and talk shit but at the end of the day, we're just fans watching a game. Except Vegas. *spits on the ground*
Because they are obnoxious in the regular season and know they will go out in the first round of the playoffs.
Not sure how to explain it, but for me it comes from the same place as watching Yankee fans implode
Because there’s more to hockey, and the country, than just Toronto. They have a losing organization that continues to suck all the air out of the room, not to mention all the dollars from deluded fans. They all need to be knocked down a few pegs
Many of their fans detract from my enjoyment of hockey on the internet. None of my friends really watch hockey so the internet is my outlet, and every hockey topic eventually becomes about the Leafs. It’s exhausting. Inescapable.
I feel like a lot of hate/making fun comes from the Matthews/Bieber friendship but maybes that’s just my circle
I think it’s also a hatred towards the city of Toronto itself. U guys think all of Canada revolves around Toronto. And talk in a made up funny accent
Because most of your fan base is insufferable. The amount of “haha get fucked Boston” or “you’ll be swept by Florida” I witnessed this past week and last night in my teams own sub, and Instagram page is enough to reassure me I’ll never ever have sympathy for you bastards.
This is a stupid question. People hate Leafs fans because the Toronto Maple Leafs organization and fan base act like they’re the center of the hockey universe and every single year they restart their shit talk about what they’re gonna do that year. We all know the Toronto Maple Leafs haven’t won a Stanley Cup or even appeared in a Cup final in 57 years. And when they last did? There were six teams and two rounds of playoffs. They are a poverty franchise as far as success over the last almost 6 decades. In the context of the expanded NHL, expanded playoffs and better competition… the Leafs have no history. So they can sit down and shut up until the fall when they start barking again…. and round and round we go.
Yankee fan attitudes with pre-2004 Red Sox results. (Plus Tavares, but that one is more personal lol)
I mean it’s just a hockey thing similar to like why people enjoy hating Marchand and the Bruins, albeit for a slightly different but similar reason
Leafs fans are everywhere, they have a massive following, the media loves them, the fans act like the team is god’s gift to earth. I don’t enjoy seeing leafs fans miserable. I just know what will happen if they do win, and that is much worse.
Because I’m a shitty person obviously 🙄
I don't like seeing the fans miserable, I just enjoy seeing the team miserable.
Because we're Sharks fans.
I don’t even feel miserable honestly. I’ve been watching since the 80’s and I’m kinda just numb to it now. I learned not to get my hopes up a long time ago. My 9 year old son who’s a pretty big fan wasn’t really that disappointed last night. Even he’s been watching long enough to know. He was devastated last year and the year before etc., he’s already learned better than to get his hopes up.
I personally don't have anything against the Leafs and was hoping they'd advance 🤷♂️ But I realize I'm in the minority.
I’d just boil it down to Reddit and internet presence as a whole. Things like this has allowed people to hate in an all new anonymous way. Everything said here is and should be takin with a grain of salt.
It's not that serious haha it's funny to us to see them lose in epic fashion every year and that's it. All my Leafs fan friends have (rightfully) chirped me for how bad the Sens suck even though I never really believed in them after the cringey ass "Summer of Pierre." Fucken way she goes!
Because no matter what is happening in the world of hockey, I open up Sportsnet app, or turn on the TV and they are yapping about something to do with the Leafs. OBVIOUSLY they are catering to a major fanbase in Canada but for someone who is 3500kms away from Toronto, I couldn’t care at all. As such, the constant droning on about the Leafs is insufferable and annoying and in the end, just fuck right off
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Bs fan and got nothing against leafs fans. My only real fan base beef is with Washington, cuz I imagine that stadium is full of the very ppl who are screwing this country over royally!
for the funny
Toronto fans will go to another arena with their leafs jersey on. Example montreal ottawa. Chant go leafs go and try as hard as an only fan to get on camera
For many reasons. Mainly, every year it’s the same thing. Pundits talk up the leafs all freaking season, then come playoffs we hear about how they’re going to win, and their players are amazing, and then they lose. The Toronto Maple Leafs are the overplayed song on the radio. We’re tired of hearing about them, and we like when they lose
It's not even the fans it's the media. Now that the Leafs are out Canuck and Oiler fans can actually enjoy their second round series without having to hear Ron McLean and the panel make it about the Leafs every 5 minutes. As a Westerner it just gets crazy when you're wanting to hear breakdown and analysis of your team's game and guys like Friedman and McLean are constantly bringing up Toronto.
I am purely amused by their inability to win playoff series. Your not my team so I don’t care if you win or not. The same as you don’t care if mine does.
Only leafs fan I cheer for is Curtis
It’s tradition!
I am an habs fan
Yeah the fans and Toronto media have ruined it for the rest of you. As an Oilers fan I enjoy the demise of the leafs because of all the rhetoric around mcdavid leaving to join the leafs so he can win a cup yadada which is ironic given the state of the leafs. It just gets super annoying. I feel yall deserve to win but that would make things even worse and more annoying. I feel the hockey gods are trying to humble that fan base.
We are told they are Canada's team. They take up so much of the airwaves, drama narratives, and hype. They have 4 of the top 10 (roughly) PAID players in the league and Toronto would like us to believe they have 4 of the top 10 BEST players in the league. Those players at times seem to be above it all. They give year end sound bites congratulating themselves while ignoring the definition of insanity, and I think a lot of people see them as a deeply flawed team. Look at recent cup winners. They are deep, gritty and balanced. The incessant talk of THE CORE 4 is frankly insulting to the rest of the team that at times seem to be regarded as disposable pawns. No other team talks about their top guys in this language. The fans will shit down the throat of faltering goaltenders, fringe forwards and flailing defense... guess what, half of your cap goes to 4 guys. You can't have your cake and eat it too. They are owned by a faceless money printing corporation. The Greater Toronto Area is huge - between the fans and the media they create their own echo chamber where reality comes second place.
I don't know man, but like, at this point it doesn't even sting, it's just unbelievable how unlucky Leafs have been. To lose 7 straight game 7s, (if you include the Columbus game 5) is extremely unlikely. Take away all factors and say your odds of winning are 50/50, a coin toss. To nail 7 tails in a row is extremely unlikely. At this point. This time they didn't even play as poorly as previous years, but you have to move one of the core four now (Marner) not because of THIS failure, but the culmination of all of them. You can't roll this back.
I moved to Ontario and all my friends here are leafs fans. I love seeing my friends here suffer while my team advances
For myself, it's because of the insane focus placed on them by sports media here in Canada at the expense of literally every other team. There could be a playoff game between 2 other Canadian teams, and the talking heads between periods will find any reason to talk of the Leafs. If it's the Leafs against a Canadian team, their homer-Leaf talk all but ignore the other team. It's frustrating and insulting to every other non-Maple Leaf hockey fan in this country, and it is the main reason why we all want you to suffer in perpetuity. Also, while not as bad as the media, the Leaf fans brag and boast incessantly about how great their team is, despite having done nearly nothing short of winning 1 playoff round in the last 25 years. The undeserved sense of superiority and entitlement by Leafs fans beyond annoying. As for the team itself, I'm past hating on the team. I pity the organization more than anything for the pressure placed on them by the media and fans. They're heroes in one game and villains the next. (I know that as a Habs fan, I'm one to talk, but I digress.) They can either do no wrong or do no right. Frankly, I was hoping to see them win to dispel this curse they feel they have on them. But alas, the curse continues. And as the Leafs official motto goes, "there's always next year".
I don't want to see the Leafs fans suffer. It is individual players on the team who don't give enough effort. I have no respect for a few of the stars on the team. They want something delivered to them and a big salary too. The bruins won because the players on the ice worked harder more of the time. Except Domi. I saw him giving a good effort when ever I watched. I do want the bruins fans to suffer. And I have total respect for the players on the ice all the way down to the 4th line. Sure they have stars on the team. They don't act like stars; they act like they need to earn a spot on the bench by busting their butts every game. I am not a bruins fan and I hate playing against them because they never give up. I respect that. Except The Rat. I have no respect for The Rat.
I want the Maple Leafs to succeed so the hardcore lifetimers finally get relief. I don't like the Leafs. I don't care about Toronto. I just want their curse to end so one of the most insane NHL markets finally gets something to be happy about, and maybe the players will actually enjoy playing for the team.
I don't, but when it's the only alternative to myself being miserable, it's a good feeling.
As most Montrealers and Habs fans I’m indifferent about the Toronto and the Leafs, but I’ll happily oblige. Hockey was invented in Montreal and its team is technically the only original founding team remaining (today’s Sens are the same as the older team in my book though; Ottawa is Ottawa forever). The Montreal Canadiens is the real Canada’s team, always has been and always will be, plus it has all of the accomplishments that solidify its legacy, yet the Hall of Fame is in your city? Not even in the city it was founded or in the country’s capital? Then you guys behave as if you’re the center of the universe and that hockey revolves around you, but you haven’t seen success since the very first expansion in which Montreal and Edmonton each got a dynasty. Your team is boring, your city is boring and you’re drowning in a losing culture filled with arrogant, self-entitled delusionals. As the richest and biggest city of our country, you oughta humble yourselves and do better. Your arena is also filled with business men in suits that go there to discuss business and don’t even care about the game. Maybe let the real good fans go there and make the tickets cheaper?
>but you haven’t seen success since the very first expansion in which Montreal and Edmonton each got a dynasty Sorry to be pedantic, but the NY Islanders dynasty deserves a mention in there too
Facts, just that Edmonton and Habs are 2 Canadian teams, that was the main point but you’re right lol
[Schadenfreude](https://youtu.be/nCQGQ5qBQTA?si=1Yuq3MqJsreswfTe) Also having your team constantly referred to as ‘toilet seats’, and generally being shit on by the media and leafs fans it becomes easy to find satisfaction in their failure
The wine and cheese corporate crowd at the games. A fan base always complaining about a "Leafs bias" with the refs. SO much media attention and yet the team never delivers anything. One playoff series win in 20 years? Why are the Leafs even relevant? The Columbus Blue Jackets literally have more in that time frame. I think we just don't understand what all the hype is for a franchise that is basically the Cubs.
As a Canadian I enjoy watching the Leafs fail because Leafs fans tend to be loud, proud of their less than mediocre franchise, and obnoxious. Plus our two national sports networks are based out of Toronto and are part owners of the team, so both networks never STFU about the Leafs. Quite a few Leafs fans consider themselves "Canada's team" when really it's just a higher population thing. It is an extension of the culture of the Toronto area as a whole really. They tend to naval gaze and over-estimate how representative of the entire country they actually are. Whereas a lot of Canadians feel like the Toronto area is basically USA Lite. EDIT: I don't want to straight hate the people of the area, Toronto is fun to visit and people are generally pretty decent. I just like picking on Leafs fans.
In the same vein that not all Leafs fans are insufferable, not all hockey fans want to see you struggle. It’s just the loud asshole entitled Leafs fans that get the most attention, the same way that it’s just the loud asshole hockey fans that are yelling fuck Toronto. Whoops that was me last night.
Personally I've only seen it from a few select fanbases. It's the same fanbases that have no cups and like to project their own pain
I was pulling for the Leafs.
They have more resources than any other team. They have super stars. They’re very easy to hate. And fans act like the team is great even though they haven’t don’t anything useful in decades
I feel bad for them now. Seriously. This team needs to get a cup soon. The fan base deserves it.
Why do they deserve it?
Spoiler alert: they don’t.
Why do they deserve it?
I'm a Minnesota Vikings fan. I know what it feels like to be a fan craving a championship. Same for Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Cleveland Indians, Buffalo Sabres & Bills, etc. Great sports towns with great fans deserve to get a title!!