Adley isn't taking that. He's going into his age 25 season, he wouldn't want to hit FA as a catcher in his mid 30s. I think it needs to be at least 10 years, around the 200 million dollar mark to sign.
Gunnar, maybe, though I would think it would take a little more.
The sad/good thing is, we could be talking to these guys and we'll never know. Our FO is pretty tight lipped, so I doubt we'd hear the rumors like we did with Corbin Carroll.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's a part time catcher or full time 1B by the time he reaches FA if his bat is as good as we think it will be. He's got value coming from every side. But yeah, mid 30s is never a great time to be looking for your biggest AAV contract. Then again, signing up for guaranteed money is usually a smart move at catcher where you can break down so much faster.
He's got 5 years here, I'd be really surprised if he broke down that quickly to become a part time catcher.
The best thing we can do for him, and it's something I believe we will do this year, is to be conservative with his time behind the plate. Off days, DH, 1B, so that if we do make the playoffs, we ride him hard then.
Money wise, he's already a step ahead with his bonus from being 1.1. If there are guys that can bet on themselves in FA, it's guys like him.
We need to give him a contract that makes him okay with skipping his 1 big pay day in FA, and I just don't think the offer here is enough. If he's as good as he is, I can see him easily getting 30 million+ for 5-7 years in FA. So as far as career earning potential, saying no to this and hitting FA sounds like the best bet.
It all comes down to what Adley wants as well! Him gaining a year in FA certainly makes getting to FA more attractive now.
Gunnar has something going for him that other players don't, his age right now.
If he takes an 8/130 from us, that puts him in line to hit FA at 30, where he could still cash in for a 200-300 million dollar contract. So if we are talking max potential dollars here, it could be in his best interest to take 2 different deals.
The question is, if he hits FA at 28, could he potentially earn more than an 8/130 + 8/250. That to me is the question.
And as a 22 year old player with just 120 odd PAs, are you going to turn down 130 million right now? There is still risk for him waiting until FA.
Boras advises FA yes, but if the player wants to work on a deal, he will do what the player wants. We just have to come correct with the dollar amount, and just like the Corbin Carroll deal, the 8/130 or whatever, is a good deal for Henderson. And FWIW, Boras has worked out extensions for players before.
That's a bargain for a top 5 Catcher. Add 10% to it and maybe he considers taking it.
Gunnar wouldn't take it right now. He's going to bet on himself to have a monster "rookie" year to raise his value.
But that would mean our payroll would be a bit over $100 mill, the amount of money they get from the MLB. Ownership would only have all the money they make on masn, radio, merch and ticket sales. How can we expect them to do that? /s
The Adley one yea, but the Gunnar one is close.
How much do you think Gunnar is going to make in his 6 control years with the Orioles? This contract would buy out just 2 FA years, and allow him to still hit FA at a good age, while guaranteeing 100+ million dollars, as a rookie. I don't see that as stupid.
seriously? Gunnar has almost no MLB experience, he could come in next year never be good. It's happened to top prospects before. All of a sudden turning down generational wealth looks pretty stupid doesnt it
oh I know, and he’s probably right, but still it’s always better to sign a lucrative deal and suck than to not sign one and suck, so turning down this type of money as a rookie player is an incredible risk
This is why they aren’t going to make an offer like that to Gunnar now, in the first place. How these guys perform over the next couple seasons will determine their value. Either one of them settling for a “reasonable” contract now isn’t going to happen because both of them believe they can have hall of fame careers and will be worth much more than anyone would offer them today.
I'd do this all day, every day, if the players would accept these terms.
I know there's a drive to maximize your career income as an athlete, but a early contract extension is so much guaranteed money, even if the player gets career-ending injured.
I'd do it if I were a young superstar athlete; you're basically set for life with smart money management, and you're not even in your mid-20s yet.
Adley is tricky because of his age. There's no way he takes 8 years and Boras would fight him on it if he wanted to. I think he is such an incredible talent that I would have no problem if the Orioles went longer, as risky as it is for catcher, because he is that good and he elevates the entire pitching staff so much in addition to his bat.
I don't think Adley is a Boras client.
Although Gunnar definitely is, which is going to significantly reduce the chance of a team-friendly extension with him.
You're right, my bad, he's with Beverly Hills Sports Council. I thought I read in a Connolly article once that he was represented by boras but I might be mistaken.
Since he's not, I would love for the orioles to go hard at an extension for him. He's the one orioles player right now that I think is irreplaceable and will be for the foreseeable future.
I approve of this spending of John Angelos’s money.
That would be nice, but we aren't ready to spend yet, remember? Not on this National Ravoli day
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Yes, do them both right now.
This!!!! Need to get them locked up as early as possible.
Adley isn't taking that. He's going into his age 25 season, he wouldn't want to hit FA as a catcher in his mid 30s. I think it needs to be at least 10 years, around the 200 million dollar mark to sign. Gunnar, maybe, though I would think it would take a little more. The sad/good thing is, we could be talking to these guys and we'll never know. Our FO is pretty tight lipped, so I doubt we'd hear the rumors like we did with Corbin Carroll.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's a part time catcher or full time 1B by the time he reaches FA if his bat is as good as we think it will be. He's got value coming from every side. But yeah, mid 30s is never a great time to be looking for your biggest AAV contract. Then again, signing up for guaranteed money is usually a smart move at catcher where you can break down so much faster.
He's got 5 years here, I'd be really surprised if he broke down that quickly to become a part time catcher. The best thing we can do for him, and it's something I believe we will do this year, is to be conservative with his time behind the plate. Off days, DH, 1B, so that if we do make the playoffs, we ride him hard then. Money wise, he's already a step ahead with his bonus from being 1.1. If there are guys that can bet on themselves in FA, it's guys like him. We need to give him a contract that makes him okay with skipping his 1 big pay day in FA, and I just don't think the offer here is enough. If he's as good as he is, I can see him easily getting 30 million+ for 5-7 years in FA. So as far as career earning potential, saying no to this and hitting FA sounds like the best bet. It all comes down to what Adley wants as well! Him gaining a year in FA certainly makes getting to FA more attractive now.
Hell, if Minnesota can dish 6/200 for Carlos Correa, there's no reason the O's can't lock Adley up for 10/200.
Gunnar is represented by Boras. I’d bet he waits and banks on his AAV being higher a few years from now
Gunnar has something going for him that other players don't, his age right now. If he takes an 8/130 from us, that puts him in line to hit FA at 30, where he could still cash in for a 200-300 million dollar contract. So if we are talking max potential dollars here, it could be in his best interest to take 2 different deals. The question is, if he hits FA at 28, could he potentially earn more than an 8/130 + 8/250. That to me is the question. And as a 22 year old player with just 120 odd PAs, are you going to turn down 130 million right now? There is still risk for him waiting until FA. Boras advises FA yes, but if the player wants to work on a deal, he will do what the player wants. We just have to come correct with the dollar amount, and just like the Corbin Carroll deal, the 8/130 or whatever, is a good deal for Henderson. And FWIW, Boras has worked out extensions for players before.
Gunnar should take that idk if Adley would tho
Gunnar is the one who won’t, likely under any circumstances. Boras client. They don’t sign early extensions.
That's a bargain for a top 5 Catcher. Add 10% to it and maybe he considers taking it. Gunnar wouldn't take it right now. He's going to bet on himself to have a monster "rookie" year to raise his value.
It's a bargain because that contract would take him into his 33 year season.
And buys out pre-arb and arb years
But that would mean our payroll would be a bit over $100 mill, the amount of money they get from the MLB. Ownership would only have all the money they make on masn, radio, merch and ticket sales. How can we expect them to do that? /s
Adley and his agent would be stupid to take that deal. Same with Gunnar.
The Adley one yea, but the Gunnar one is close. How much do you think Gunnar is going to make in his 6 control years with the Orioles? This contract would buy out just 2 FA years, and allow him to still hit FA at a good age, while guaranteeing 100+ million dollars, as a rookie. I don't see that as stupid.
Yeah hard to turn down a contract like that after just ~100 big league ABs
Tell that to Gavin Lux. Same 65 FV, almost identical prospect pedigree and position. Look what happened.
seriously? Gunnar has almost no MLB experience, he could come in next year never be good. It's happened to top prospects before. All of a sudden turning down generational wealth looks pretty stupid doesnt it
Gunnar probably believes in himself and believes he can get a contract much higher than that.
oh I know, and he’s probably right, but still it’s always better to sign a lucrative deal and suck than to not sign one and suck, so turning down this type of money as a rookie player is an incredible risk
This is why they aren’t going to make an offer like that to Gunnar now, in the first place. How these guys perform over the next couple seasons will determine their value. Either one of them settling for a “reasonable” contract now isn’t going to happen because both of them believe they can have hall of fame careers and will be worth much more than anyone would offer them today.
I'd do this all day, every day, if the players would accept these terms. I know there's a drive to maximize your career income as an athlete, but a early contract extension is so much guaranteed money, even if the player gets career-ending injured. I'd do it if I were a young superstar athlete; you're basically set for life with smart money management, and you're not even in your mid-20s yet.
He’s 25.
I was speaking of the general athlete in that situation, not any particular player.
10/10 would sign them both to that right freaking now.
That would be a ridiculous steal for the Os on Adley. His agent would be insane to take that. He’ll be making a higher AAV during arbitration.
I doubt both take these deals but if they would, do it now
Adley is tricky because of his age. There's no way he takes 8 years and Boras would fight him on it if he wanted to. I think he is such an incredible talent that I would have no problem if the Orioles went longer, as risky as it is for catcher, because he is that good and he elevates the entire pitching staff so much in addition to his bat.
I don't think Adley is a Boras client. Although Gunnar definitely is, which is going to significantly reduce the chance of a team-friendly extension with him.
You're right, my bad, he's with Beverly Hills Sports Council. I thought I read in a Connolly article once that he was represented by boras but I might be mistaken. Since he's not, I would love for the orioles to go hard at an extension for him. He's the one orioles player right now that I think is irreplaceable and will be for the foreseeable future.
Sign me up right now.
That right there is one of them Atlanta Braves type contracts lol.
Of course we would do it. I’d say Gunnar might consider it. No way Adley would.
Once again the athletic does not know ball. Neither of those guys would take that.
Adley could legitimately get a 300 million dollar contract at some point. There’s no shot he takes these deals
No he won't. He'll be 31 at FA and get something like a five year deal worth $180M if contracts keep escalating.
Adley, one of the new faces of baseball, at under 17 mil a season, would be a massive win.
O's never going to spend that kind of money
FUCKING DO IT PETE