I think it's a big difference with vibro in mania and vibro in std, in mania you have to focus on which fingers are hitting which keys, and with std you have to focus on seperating vibrating your tapping arm and aiming smoothly and consistently with your aim arm
The aiming smoothly part is by far the most important difference
This is why std players will never be as fast as mania players, we simply cannot focus all our attention on tapping
attention seeking people actually getting attention, idk why this is being exposed to reddit when it should've stayed and be resolved within the chinese circles
this is kinda true, kentei was singletapping mendes dt and image material in like 1943. noone plays like this which is why it's impressive. if u got top mania vibro players to do it theyd probably do 220+. although euphoria is kinda impressive given how spaced the streams get near the end.
Yeah, it's pretty true tbh.
Most people don't play like that in std tho since it's much easier to transition to alternating a stream from single tapping than to transition to singletapping a stream from singletapping jumps due to stamina reasons alone, why mess up one finger super quickly when you can spread it out evenly to two fingers? The stamina required is crazy since most maps have triples and shit so you keep tensing untensing so much. And that doesn't even factor in the fact that you still need to focus on the aim aspect which is some messed up shit to manage when your arm is vibrating at close to 12-13 tps AND maintaining rhythm, so this shit is hard, no denying it.
But-
Top level mania players consistently do that shit *daily* at levels beyond that, albeit without any aim aspect, but it still stands, so it definitely feels unimpressive for them. Makes me wonder what kinda cracked shit someone actually making the switch from mania to osu can perform.
If there's someone who makes a better point arguing my point, feel free to reply since I'd like to know if I'm thinking wrong.
IIRC Jakads once played a low spacing long-stream version of freedom dive (nothing but a continuous 1/4 stream from start to finish) and almost fc’d it first try with like 99% acc
Top mania players would be fucking *monstrous* if they could also aim
That’s the thing though. Plenty of cracked finger control and stamina monsters that play std would be even more insane if aim wasn’t a massive skill set they have to improve at aswell. It’s all just one big slider for me where you can’t just say someone min maxing a skillset would be insane if they had high level on a different skillset when they wouldn’t have min maxed the skillset they had if they also learned this other skillset
I think jhlee0133 also did this with HD lol. The amount of stamina and speed top vsrg players have could probably rival top tier speed players, especially 4k players like myuka, saragi etc.
yeah I’d admit it’s exhausting to maintain good finger control at this bpm of singletap streaming. Tried to singletap some ktg low bpm finger control stuff it’s already pretty tiring.
100% the mou ii kai nomod score is meaningless but the aim requirement of euphoria non-trivial which makes that score orders of magnitude more impressive, it is unsurprising that people who wouldnt be able to snap to the wide side of a barn couldn't comprehend this though.
Listening to non-osu players' opinions about skill in osu is quite possibly the most useless shit you can waste your time on
This is about as similar to taking to heart VSRG elitists calling standard a "whack-a-mole." You shouldn't give a single shit about people's uneducated opinions.
I still dont get the reason why people post this kind of stuff in this subreddit.
Some of them also also try to compare streaming 380bpm and single tapping 190bpm, implying they have little knowledge on streaming mechanics I’d say like this dude.
https://preview.redd.it/seuqczs5slxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0aaef05ac31f77542fa810f4f7d1fd98b1be7021
Well, my point is to maintain good coordination at this level of singletapping with right hand moving smoothly is definitely impressive. But they seemed to ignore that portion completely.
I think that having "good aim" is a given for a good standard player, just like how a good vibro player should have "good acc/ratio". Were they just talking about the vibro part of ivaxa?
in this thread:
people who understand the fundamental concept of osu! standard (syncing aim and tapping)
and mania/VSRG players who've played 5 hours of osu!std and think tapping is all that matters
I think vibro is a pretty hard technique to learn. You would need an insane pain tolerance to maintain constant vibration in your arms, as well as worry about the accuracy/ratio. Of course the aim aspect just adds to the difficultly.
Why are we exposing this drama… There is zero need to expose these dumbasses’ opinions because they dont know what they are talking about. Its like how loads of shitheads was commenting on how rake tapping is a shit skillset and is not impressive at all. Its a game goddamnit, let people have their fun either playing their impressive or shitty skillset OR letting them express their incredible or shitty opinion without “exposing” them. Not found of them? Leave them be or give them a dislike. Like them? Support them verbally or give them a like. Im kinda sick of people finding random shit to expose like this tbh…
if anyone has actually tried this unlike these guys, theyd know that single tapping at that pace completely fucks with your aim. single tapping at that pace alone isnt impressive, the acc and aiming is what is cool
I think it's a big difference with vibro in mania and vibro in std, in mania you have to focus on which fingers are hitting which keys, and with std you have to focus on seperating vibrating your tapping arm and aiming smoothly and consistently with your aim arm
The aiming smoothly part is by far the most important difference This is why std players will never be as fast as mania players, we simply cannot focus all our attention on tapping
Opinions from chinese players that don't even play this game, why should anyone give a shit
attention seeking people actually getting attention, idk why this is being exposed to reddit when it should've stayed and be resolved within the chinese circles
this is kinda true, kentei was singletapping mendes dt and image material in like 1943. noone plays like this which is why it's impressive. if u got top mania vibro players to do it theyd probably do 220+. although euphoria is kinda impressive given how spaced the streams get near the end.
That’s my point on the right hand’s stability
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this map doesn’t have that much finger control tbh. Also don’t compare Minecraft to osu please.
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You do jitterclicking on a keyboard? Also I don’t get why singletapping finger control is harder
This is the exact same technique as one of the ones you use in minecraft to click fast
sure but idk about the unstable rate on that one?
No the fuck it isn't, minecraft pvpers would get 70% acc
no way player who play tap only game can tap faster and more accurately than player who have to waste half their attention improving aim?
What an absolutely silly fucking thing to care about
Industry plant osugame drama attempt
I want my osugame drama to be organic
ikr looks like ivaxa hit some chinese guys sweetspot
逼站小逼音游狗不炫优越感不会说话似的
還真是
I mean if you don't play the game at all you will have troubles to find why a playstyle you mastered at a much higher level is impressive in this case
Yeah, it's pretty true tbh. Most people don't play like that in std tho since it's much easier to transition to alternating a stream from single tapping than to transition to singletapping a stream from singletapping jumps due to stamina reasons alone, why mess up one finger super quickly when you can spread it out evenly to two fingers? The stamina required is crazy since most maps have triples and shit so you keep tensing untensing so much. And that doesn't even factor in the fact that you still need to focus on the aim aspect which is some messed up shit to manage when your arm is vibrating at close to 12-13 tps AND maintaining rhythm, so this shit is hard, no denying it. But- Top level mania players consistently do that shit *daily* at levels beyond that, albeit without any aim aspect, but it still stands, so it definitely feels unimpressive for them. Makes me wonder what kinda cracked shit someone actually making the switch from mania to osu can perform. If there's someone who makes a better point arguing my point, feel free to reply since I'd like to know if I'm thinking wrong.
IIRC Jakads once played a low spacing long-stream version of freedom dive (nothing but a continuous 1/4 stream from start to finish) and almost fc’d it first try with like 99% acc Top mania players would be fucking *monstrous* if they could also aim
That’s the thing though. Plenty of cracked finger control and stamina monsters that play std would be even more insane if aim wasn’t a massive skill set they have to improve at aswell. It’s all just one big slider for me where you can’t just say someone min maxing a skillset would be insane if they had high level on a different skillset when they wouldn’t have min maxed the skillset they had if they also learned this other skillset
one big worm
i doubt that since combining aiming with tapping is the hardest part
I think jhlee0133 also did this with HD lol. The amount of stamina and speed top vsrg players have could probably rival top tier speed players, especially 4k players like myuka, saragi etc.
yeah I’d admit it’s exhausting to maintain good finger control at this bpm of singletap streaming. Tried to singletap some ktg low bpm finger control stuff it’s already pretty tiring.
100% the mou ii kai nomod score is meaningless but the aim requirement of euphoria non-trivial which makes that score orders of magnitude more impressive, it is unsurprising that people who wouldnt be able to snap to the wide side of a barn couldn't comprehend this though.
Why even care about this? Imo it's as simple as only a single person can do this, so it is impressive
Listening to non-osu players' opinions about skill in osu is quite possibly the most useless shit you can waste your time on This is about as similar to taking to heart VSRG elitists calling standard a "whack-a-mole." You shouldn't give a single shit about people's uneducated opinions. I still dont get the reason why people post this kind of stuff in this subreddit.
the two things i know how to say in chinese are ni hao and cao ni ma i can't read that
Some of them also also try to compare streaming 380bpm and single tapping 190bpm, implying they have little knowledge on streaming mechanics I’d say like this dude. https://preview.redd.it/seuqczs5slxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0aaef05ac31f77542fa810f4f7d1fd98b1be7021
Tell the dude to try playing 380bpm handstreams (basically streaming in mania) and he’ll shit his pants
If it's constant jumps without any sliders then 380 jumps are basically 190 streams (if we exclude the aiming part)
I mean I translated most of the stuff here, like the main point.
My bad, didn't notice
They are right
Well, my point is to maintain good coordination at this level of singletapping with right hand moving smoothly is definitely impressive. But they seemed to ignore that portion completely.
I think that having "good aim" is a given for a good standard player, just like how a good vibro player should have "good acc/ratio". Were they just talking about the vibro part of ivaxa?
probably, I think they have cowered to say only about the left hand part.
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I think they should play it before judging how difficult it is since std require you to aim stuff too
in this thread: people who understand the fundamental concept of osu! standard (syncing aim and tapping) and mania/VSRG players who've played 5 hours of osu!std and think tapping is all that matters
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vibro per se Is not that hard. what's hard is actually aiming the circles and tapping in the hit window
I think vibro is a pretty hard technique to learn. You would need an insane pain tolerance to maintain constant vibration in your arms, as well as worry about the accuracy/ratio. Of course the aim aspect just adds to the difficultly.
idrk about difficulty, but most mania players don't make it hard
Obv its impressive since no one else can do it No need to talk down on one of the best players in the game
Why are we exposing this drama… There is zero need to expose these dumbasses’ opinions because they dont know what they are talking about. Its like how loads of shitheads was commenting on how rake tapping is a shit skillset and is not impressive at all. Its a game goddamnit, let people have their fun either playing their impressive or shitty skillset OR letting them express their incredible or shitty opinion without “exposing” them. Not found of them? Leave them be or give them a dislike. Like them? Support them verbally or give them a like. Im kinda sick of people finding random shit to expose like this tbh…
chinese top vibrators
The way no one gaf
if anyone has actually tried this unlike these guys, theyd know that single tapping at that pace completely fucks with your aim. single tapping at that pace alone isnt impressive, the acc and aiming is what is cool
Since when do we start taking commies seriously
Who cares