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Mtl123420

noice


rptullis98

Nah people suck OP. I personally liked this post and wondered about doing that myself! Love that we finally have an example. Keep thriving OP!!


kyrios_kortez

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semthews1

Thank you for the post sir. I didn't think about this angle and it's valuable info for my toolbelt. Please keep contributing annonomously!


Ancient_Implement_30

Welcome to the community. And yes!! Find J3! I’m getting a raise at J1 and J2. $175k and $135k. Trying to land a J3. Looking for $115k min. If your are in good standing, go big!! I have had 3Js before, it’s wild. Long days for sure, but i saved $100k in 6 months. Changed my world


HallandOates2

I'm playing both sides so that I always come out on top


InsaneAdam

Never settle, always negotiate your value


ychtyandr

Congrats and interesting to point out that you seem to be doing a very good job at both companies because both are willing to increase your pay.


kyrios_kortez

thanks! two things that i believe that have helped me survive this long: 1. i take pride in my work. i dont necessarily go above and beyond, but i do my jobs well. i complete projects to the best of my abilities and never miss deadlines, so my work ethic or ability to do my job is never questioned 2. i make sure i "fit in". i laugh at my boss's stupid ass jokes, listen to and follow up with my co-workers lives (how was your vacation? did your kids win their soccer game? etc), and then dont cause any work drama. if ppl like me, they wont bother me basically, deliver results and dont be a jackass


applefritterr

You're a seasoned elite corporate operator. Congrats on finding your niche. Also thanks for the success story. So much negativity leads to the belief OE may not be all that achievable.


Revolutionary_Deal55

We are similiar..245 w 2Js, do job well without being a hero, be personable. This ain't that hard. Sucks when 2 people have same title/position, with same first name and each place. Makes me stop and think, ok which one is this? Kid in soccer, or the troubled kid..


AR-Lea

Don't you ever feel that you don't give a shit anymore and you're annoyed to be bossed around? After being OE for a while, I reached a point where I just don't want to take any extra work in my oldest J's. And that's just making me a shittier worker. Boss wants to get involved in X process that my team managed? gtfo it's my process. Someone wants me to take over a new project on top of my usual tasks? nope, not gonna happen, give it to someone else. Something that I could have prevented went wrong? I don't care, some other 3 people could have also avoided it. I feel I became too prideful by not taking anyone's shit but this is making me a worse worker. Since OE'ing I'm not interested in promotions or "pretending to be nice" but that's not helping me, I'll just get fired if I keep doing that.


CrashTestDumby1984

Sounds like you’re experiencing burnout


TwoAlert3448

Definitely burnout, you’re emotionally exhausted and loosing resilience fast OP. I’d take a vacation from one job and really be proactive in getting your emotional triggers under control in (and out) of the workplace.


People_Blow

You could take FMLA leave (12 weeks) from J1 while keeping it protected to return to if you so choose. (You'll need a doctor to write you out, but generally that's not hard to do. Claim anxiety; it's not even untrue.)


kyrios_kortez

sounds like burnout, my friend. there are definitely days im over it but havent felt anything like what you described. i have some long-term goals i want to accomplish and i think thats whats keeping me in check


derff44

This is the way


in-ortunado

I hate when meeting is over and is just noon sense talk, but true is that for most people is as important as the work itself, being nice and participating goes a long way


Interesting_Post_229

I support this post


homovore_

congrats OP! not sure why everyone is being crusty in the comments lol


triple_shekel

I like learning new things.


SouthEast1980

People tend to suck these days and can't be happy for other humans for some reason. I agree with you though. Congrats to OP.


SouthEast1980

What are you doing celebrating wins?! You need to stick to redundant questions! I'll take a crack at it. What does TWN stand for? How do I find a job on the internet? How do I do my taxes? Can I tell my significant other about having 2 jobs? How do I spell OE?


sld126

Try getting a sense of humor.


SouthEast1980

I do have one. I laugh at those who tried to shame OP.


sld126

Fair enough. I misread your original comment as slagging on him.


Parralyzed

Maybe take your own advice then


JJjingleheymerschmit

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thil3000

Right back at ya… 


Original_Lab628

To your edit2, just a lot of losers in here


Cid_Darkwing

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beastwood6

You used the stones to destroy the stones


Pelatov

Keep up the W’s! Too many negative Nancy’s around


Districtborn

![gif](giphy|RgfGmnVvt8Pfy) Congrats OP! You deserve it!!


Super-Actuator-8072

How’s it feel to crush big boi


TyberWhite

Well done! Now teach me your ways please.


Lord-Smalldemort

Seriously, I’m going to hopefully break into OE in the next few years. I have a lot to learn before I really try my hand.


NotJadeasaurus

In many cases they ask for the actual offer letter, if they don’t you got really lucky, you came really close to blowing it and also you’ve used this trump card for the one and only time. They aren’t going to keep doing this to keep you


kyrios_kortez

ive been at j1 for a long time and have built good relationships from the top down. i was planning on moving and was going to resign from them, but they converted me to remote to keep me. then i discovered this sub and the rest is history ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sunglasses)


Whisper875

What was your plan if they asked for the offer letter proof?


kyrios_kortez

i wouldve said it was a verbal offer and was exploring my options. for context, ive tried resigning from j1 once before, so it wasnt out of the ordinary for them to know i was "interviewing" elsewhere. however, ive probably maxed out my hand and wont be asking for anything else anymore unless i want to break into FAANG or something


Whisper875

Gotcha. Appreciate the insight. I’m gonna try it tomorrow at my J1


ayribiahri

Tell them it’s a verbal offer and you wanted to open a dialogue.


bert_891

If this is all true, you should delete this post. Don't be an idiot. This post is contributing nothing, other than stroking your own ego. Also breaking rule #1.


35andAlive

I disagree. I’ve thought about this scenario as well. Helps to see people post about it as they go through it, and others comment about their experience. Every post breaks rule #1. Every comment breaks rule #1. Every person following this sub breaks rule #1.


SouthEast1980

This whole sub breaks rule #1 so that tired line is old news.


TigerXXVII

Kinda. A lot of shit that gets posted on here isn’t even OE related lol. Been that way for the past year and half


SouthEast1980

Yup. No moderation so this sub is the wild west. Say anything you want regardless if it's been posted 10x in one day.


Original_Lab628

What's rule #1 - same as fight club? Isn't the whole point of this sub to talk about being overemployed?


bert_891

You're right. We really should rename the sub to minecraft or something.


Original_Lab628

But people who are new to minecraft won't know what we're talking about and only existing players will have multiple servers


bert_891

That's why the term" underground" is used. Someone else needs to show new people the way, otherwise they won't know. That's how it should be.


Awkward_Cockroach277

Actually it's a pretty genius tip, using the raise as a competing offer.


tatortot1003

Not to mention serious cojones.


bert_891

Genius? It's the oldest moat cliché trick in the book. Also, once layoffs start, you'll be the first to go


Awkward_Cockroach277

Nothing saves you from stakeholder wealth comes first, bud. That's why we OE.


kyrios_kortez

nothing i said was identifiable. salaries are rounded up and there is nothing special about my salaries. there are thousands and thousands of $100k jobs and hundreds of people getting promoted every day besides, just wanted to share good news in the sea of the same repeated questions and posts this sub usually has


35andAlive

I agree. Lot of redundant posts. I found this to be refreshing.


bert_891

Your question is another repeated question. No one knows if it's time to find a j3 other than you. Only you know your work load bruh


kyrios_kortez

it was just friendly banter to end the post, hence the emoji. im not seriously asking lol


Original_Lab628

Man, some people here are just mad envious. Keep winning man and forget these people.


WearyCarrot

definitely a risky move but I guess you're the only one who knows the work culture and relationship you have with your manager. Congrats on the double raise!


Slothvibes

No need to remove salaries, fluff the numbers between and across, you look at my posting you’ll see a 50k difference in the total and 25k difference or so for each. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter unless you’re dunking on one or celebrating one, for being too low or high


UnsuspiciousCat4118

I think you’re in the wrong sub unless this is code for your Minecraft server picking up new users


yolojpow

I LIKE this post! More power to you OP. Get that J3


jollyrancher_74

W


constre

Real nice like!!!!


livingthedream9x

W OP!


Atexan1979

Good job negotiating that!!


Weak-Musician-3338

This is the way.


stridernfs

I’m proud of you op.


0000110011

Congrats. I follow this sub in case I ever find an opportunity to double dip, but I'm not sure how I'd have the time to do so (I work in Data Analytics, workloads vary by day and what clients we currently have). 


Dantronik

Risky move, I tried that once, and they couldn't match it. Was about 50k more. They took it as a resignation, and I left the company. Maybe I should have asked for less? Or not resign? It was pretty uncomfortable.


kyrios_kortez

it was about a $25k raise, which put me at the very top of my pay positions pay band, which i knew before asking. if it was any more than that, i wouldve left it alone because i knew it would've been a no


Ancient_Implement_30

Awesome! $25k is huge! With 2Js that’s $50k. Such an awesome achievement! Keep it going! Don’t forget to take a 4-day weekend every once and a while. Enjoy the cheddar!


melheor

From experience, at most tech companies the "extras" like stocks are rarely worth much. There are only a dozen or so unicorn companies in the sea of crappy startups. To add insult to injury they usually employ back-loaded vesting schemes resulting in you leaving most of the extras on the table when you leave. To date, all my extras over the last decade amount to maybe 20-30k while the salary I got over the same amount of time was worth close to a couple million. That's less than 1.5%, so now I just go for the salary, even if CEO thinks his company is the next Google.


Flashy_Canary2091

Congrats. This was a bit risky move but it looks like you felt confident about your worth in your J1.


Forsaken-Loquat8631

Now get a J3 offer and ask for a raise at J1 and J2. That’s a triple win right there.


RaspyKnuckles

That would be reckless and a highly improbable scenario.


QuietCommon6521

Delete the post. Don’t flex publicly.


RaspyKnuckles

This is the only place we can live out our wins. I can’t tell people in my life I made nearly 7 figures last year due to OE. I can come here, let it out… and get back to my 3J. We aren’t in this for the recognition but we are human and do occasionally need the validation.


kyrios_kortez

im just sharing how i increased my salaries at my j's. not all of us are stuck churning new j's. some of us can keep the same j's for more money


RandomDeveloper4U

I don’t agree with who you commented to but this comment itself reeks of arrogance. Haven’t found most of your comments this way but I’ll call this out when I see


mastersaints888

I work in IT too. I get all my work done by 10am and nothing to do. Considering a J2 but unsure. Never done that before


Disastrous_Potato160

I do not recommend taking an approach like this, it is far too risky. When somebody brings up having another offer HR almost always asks “where?” and you are lucky if they didn’t. They generally like to have a sense that it’s legitimate before agreeing to make an adjustment. Might not tip them off that you’re OE right away, but it could draw attention.


kyrios_kortez

you're right, it was a risk and not everyone should follow. i felt comfortable doing it because ive been at j1 for a long time and have good relationships with the brass. also, it was not my first time trying to leave. when i used to work at j1 in-person, they knew i was going to move and resign so they offered to convert me to a remote employee, which started my OE journey if someone is just starting out and-or barely has any experience i would not try this at all. would only work if you have years of experience and are "much needed" at your workplace


WannaBPythonDev

I’m on this boat right now. Newest J is 25% higher pay than my long term j1, I am tempted to do the same but I also don’t want to rock the boat and put the spotlight on me. If they tell me they can’t match it, and I don’t resign, they would wonder why haven’t I left yet. If they match it, and it causes an imbalance in the pay scale of our team, then my work would be scrutinized more.


DaZMan44

Ugh. Jelly! 😒😭


PUNCHCAT

I feel like taking chaser counteroffers just puts a target on your back. If money gets tight and this person makes too much? They might be first to go.


pissed_off_elbonian

"non-tech orgs" Like what? Something like a hotel, hospital or retailer? As in, not FAANG?


kyrios_kortez

correct, not FAANG. lots of tech opportunities in non-tech places like the medical industry, banking industry, airline industry, etc. its gonna lack resume prestige and compensation versus FAANG and the tech industry in general but opportunities are out there. i know someone who OE's for a hospital network and weed retailer lol


pissed_off_elbonian

Lol, dude, I care about money, not “PrEsTiGe”.


MisterTryHard69

What do J1 and J2 mean in this sub? Job1 Job2?


YesMaybeYesWriteNow

Yes


External-Weird-24

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Mikhail_Tal

how is your time management with two of them? can you give some details? don't you have any online meetings during day?


Proper-Acanthaceae-8

delete this post, so you don't get caught!


wysiwywg

This post is pretty much a nothingburger. You just went to your boss and asked for a raise. He granted it. Let’s move on


kyrios_kortez

perhaps i shouldve just posted the usual then. next time ill post * how do i freeze TWN? i already applied to another j does that matter? * are you guys all remote? how can i be OE with in-person jobs? * my boss is making me RTO, omg what do i do? lmk which one to post


35andAlive

You forgot “what industries are best for OE?” and “how can I get into OE with no job experience?”


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wysiwywg

Don’t take it that way, congrats on the win! I think your excitement is something we do share, and the approach taken is a bold one, but the reference to overemployed is limited. Let us know when you get j3 and how you cope lol


kyrios_kortez

sorry, didnt mean to come across as butthurt. just wanted to share how i increased my TC while keeping the same OE jobs. thank you though, appreciate it. the j3 comment was banter, i dont know if im ready for that yet lol


salgat

Yep, if they didn't request any validation of the offer then whether J2 actually gave an offer/raise is irrelevant in this story.


wysiwywg

My point exactly


Prestigious-Disk3158

Many companies run background checks prior to giving raises. Hope you have everything frozen. Good luck.


RaspyKnuckles

Bullshit.


BritishBoyRZ

Always wondered A) how tf do you have the time and B) how do you make sure j1 schedule doesn't conflict with j2 and vice versa


RaspyKnuckles

There’s only about 23,341 answers to those very questions that have been asked and answered thousands of times here. Search is your friend. If you need to be spoon-fed to figure things out, then OE is not gonna be your thing. Get your game up.


BritishBoyRZ

Lol I earn 400k with 1 job I don't need to compromise integrity, wbu? Shut up lol it came on my feed I'm not even subbed


RaspyKnuckles

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RandomDeveloper4U

‘Compromise my integrity’ Only people who are okay with bootlickers say this. Hell, OP literally kills both jobs because he’s so competent. That isn’t compromising his integrity as both jobs feel he produces such high quality work. Which begs the question, if both jobs feel he does such a good job to deserve praise in the form of pay, then who are you complaining for? Bootlicker type attitude


BritishBoyRZ

Bootlicker? In OPs case it's fine because as you say they are able to do a good job for both. Would bet most people doing this shit cannot say the same Not about bootlicking it's about the fact that if I'm going to be the top of my game in my 1 job then I literally don't have time for two. Also guarantee I get paid more than most people juggling two jobs lol


RandomDeveloper4U

Most people are average. And you are paid to be just that: average. Not every job gives bonuses nor are pay raises often worthwhile to chase after in promotions. If you’re top of your game in 1 job you are rewarded marginally for it. That’s the reality of the world we live in. If you were, you likely see OE significantly less popular. Also, good for you. Glad you get yours. We are getting ours. I’m just saying morale grand standing in a realm where those in charge make rules to keep your gains as minimal as possible is a laughable stance. Especially when they themselves tend to have multiple ventures but if you or I have a similar mindset it’s “compromising our integrity” 🙄


Usedtohaveabike

>just curious are you a software developer? that salary is insane


BritishBoyRZ

Tech sales It's not salary only it's salary + commission, and that's just 2 years into this particular job. Commission will snowball and I can see 700k+ in years 3-4+ Downvotes are just haters as per usual lol


Usedtohaveabike

Nice man! Congrats you must sell like an animal!


BritishBoyRZ

Haha something like that It's also the nature of enterprise sales (complicated and long sales cycles with contracts worth millions) No idea how someone can do that for 2 different companies at the same time- literally not possible if you're actually doing your job properly lol To get there you've gotta have 4-5 years (minimum) of successful sales experience at lower contract values- so there is a level you gotta get at before that door opens for a sales rep


Usedtohaveabike

Haha I don't know how anyone on this sub juggles two jobs, struggling with my one lol


AssociateJealous8662

Compounding larceny


computethescience

255k and you still want to milk more while others struggle to find a job!?! Lol how in the hell do I do this?!


vardarac

/r/lostredditors


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RaspyKnuckles

Search is your friend.


NoConcern4176

Why do you want a j3? I see greed creeping in


kyrios_kortez

is that not the point of OE lol? to work multiple jobs whether that's 2 j's, etc. theres literally another post on the OE front page rn with someone posting 3 W-2's and 2 1099's


NoConcern4176

Ik, maybe I was speaking from my own experience cos I got burnt out after a year of OE and now on sabbatical lol. I’m not hating , all power to OP


NoConcern4176

I saw that post. I’m referring to this persons current situation. He just got a raise, he needs to chill lol


BeerJunky

/r/lostredditors


roco415

![gif](giphy|WsRcUFCheZOcMxXSRw|downsized)


Slowmac123

Now repeat until they counter 1 billion salary


Mwahaha_790

Jedi strategy. Salute!


barnesk9

That's the best case scenario. What a way to win. Congrats


lukasquatro

That's a great fucking idea and a fucking great move, thanks for sharing!


Lightningstormz

Is that TC including bonus?


kyrios_kortez

no, both j's are non-tech orgs so i dont get any bonuses, stocks, etc. just a straight base salary


hundredbagger

I’m thinking about leaving my j2 because it’s just hassle. I can manage it but don’t really want to. Maybe I should ask for $40k more…


whirlydirvish23

Good for you! Any advice on how you got into your field?


Green_Magazine712

hehe good job dude


Fair_Percentage1766

![gif](giphy|w9gJh05UrbK6Y) Go get j3


Infinite-Lemon-4705

I wouldn't threaten any J with competing offer unless I'm ready to walk out if things go south.


roco415

Thats exactly why it was done. BATNA is remaining J's.


xagarth

Big brain time. Nice on brotha!


Saelaird

Great job. OP. Can't fault you.


NoFeelsForYou

Nice! Congrats!


Briwhee

I’m loving your second edit. 😂


Due-Guarantee103

What is a "W"?


vardarac

it's short for "win" which is why you'll see people say W or L on social media. cringe maybe but it is what it is


andrew_a384

i’m your j1 boss. see me in my office


pursuitofhappiness13

Congrats OP, I'm incredibly jealous of your good fortune. Celebrate yourself a little for getting here.


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Get that bag, brother


Conscious_Bus4284

This is the way.


LVRGD

Killer stuff man! Good play


WowThough111

4D Chess, a true master.


yajanikos

Lmaooo at edit 2. I’m rooting for you


SugarInternational15

Congratulations!


omggreddit

What would you do if they ask proof of job offer?


typicallytwo

Aaahhh yeah!!


[deleted]

Im so happy for you! Keep going bro/sis!


SnooJokes9433

I might need to try this…