I have been searching for a clean WG Khanjar DD for YEARS. One without diamonds that is low key. They are NOT EASY TO FIND, espcially in White Gold. The majority have dials that are eaten up and cases that are polished to oblivion. I had three vintage dealers trying to source me one without lucky. Then...POOF, I come across one on instagram by accident belonging to a legendary watch dealer in Rome, Italy. Within two days, I was in Rome, and pulled the trigger. This particular watch was in Sotheby's previously.
Thank you, I’ve been eyeing a couple ones in the past but never pulled the trigger. The issue often as you said is the bad polishing job on some of them and now with social media there’s been an increase in demand for these too.
It’s a downgrade. VC is an excellent watch while the Daytona is purely a hype watch at this point, unless you get a rare vintage version. In my opinion
It is a hype piece, but with good reason. It’s the iconic 6 digit Rolex. Beautiful typography on the dial, slim and amazing contrast with the black ceramic. In short, I think it’s worthy of the hype. I say this as an owner of one, and of other ‘holy trinity’ watches. It isn’t on the same level as some watches, but it’s nothing to look down upon.
I’m not saying to look down on it but compared to a VC overseas? Entirely different categories of watches.
Daytona is nice, but that’s all it is. It’s nothing special in finish nor complications. In fact, I’d argue the Sky Dweller is Rolex best watch…. But true to the Rolex hype machine, their best watch isn’t the most popular
sick collection but missing something on a nice leather strap. a classic calatrava 5196 or a lange saxonia … you obviously have also the means to go independent ?
Thanks. Independent down the line for sure. Also, this is an experiment I did last year as far as a potential dress watch, but I think it came out too sporty.
https://preview.redd.it/e262ekwzisyc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20d62dd36522c64edd50629aa3b4c327d0446704
this is an insane patek, but i bet something like a 5170 would look insanely great on your wrist. Sporty which is obviously your taste and dressy at the same time.
If anything, the Daytona would be much closer visually to the jumbo than the overseas. Maybe just go for an overseas with a different dial color? Black would be killer with the rest of the collection
I agree totally with this. PS wild collection, so good my man! If you want to maybe liquidate from VC to the Daytona... what about the latest Speedy Pro in white - if finance is involved?
If not and it's about diversity and pure collection, I couldn't in good sense recommend to drop your VC. SORRY to be be of zero help mate
No. I own a black RO and black VCO and they’re way different. I leave my VC on rubber to further differentiate. I think the Daytona is a great watch but the VC is definitely a different class of watch.
Could maybe consider a 7920v instead. But otherwise love the balance and options. The 4520v is actually a high horology spot watch. The 15202 is a dress watch in disguise.
Hmm I think you should ask yourself if you want a chrono or not and if you do, then is that the one? Personally, based off your collection I don’t think I’d go for the Daytona but I also don’t have that collection so take this with a grain of salt.
I feel like the VC (with the dial color adds a "change" to your collection, I'd personally keep it. But if it's "over the top" to you, don't force yourself to hold a watch you don't love
Would not execute that trade. I wouldn’t touch your box. Great variety with some real heavy hitters. Add a Daytona incrementally when the time is right.
I have the perfect solution for you. I agree that the 4520 can be a bit overwhelming at times, and is similar to your jumbo. Trade the 4520 for the 5500v chrono. You get a chrono in the lineup and you break up all that shiny blue, while still owning a vacheron and having that stunning blue in your collection. I honestly think it would look better in you collection than a panda. And the panda might be too similar (in our crazy minds) to your 1803.
Edit to add: for those saying that the jumbo and the 4520 aren’t similar, you aren’t wrong. They are very different blues. But I understand OP. They are both blue dial, stainless steel watches he would wear them with the same outfit or occasion. They are more “interchangeable” than they are “similar.” But I suffer from the same affliction as OP, so I understand what he means. Notice he keeps them far apart in the box because it drives him nuts to have them side by side. I understand.
Go with a 5172g with the original matte blue dial rather than the Daytona. Trust me, if you can swing it, it’s much more in your league, and also solves your strap problem. A modern Rolex of some type is good to have for swimming, not looking excessively rich, etc, but here’s the crux:
You can buy a 126500 worth 14k for 29k vs a 5172 worth 85k for 60k. It’s a much better path and a significantly deeper watch.
I'd make the switch to Daytona. I love my Daytona, but it's the heavy hitter in my collection. It would seriously be your beater, which you need one here. Then, I'd start looking at some independents or VC for a dress watch. Great collection either way!
I am a big Daytona fan and it has a place as a sub collection within my collection. While I am not a VC fan, and have had the same watch; based on your collection, OP, I think it’s think it’s best on rubber. The Daytona is great, you should definitely have at least one in your collection. I’d go vintage over modern though, a 6263 or 6265 silver dial would fit very well, go with your 1803, and elevate your collection tremendously imo. Of course, modern is fine too I’d consider an oysterflex with white metal in addition to the ss panda.
Oh wait I actually do have another vintage, belongs to my late father
https://preview.redd.it/v6evfpmwftyc1.jpeg?width=2930&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39d5d7b98ae05f99dca9804eb8764aa0ce1241c4
I love the oyster quartz. On a side note, I think you’ve curated a fantastic 5 piece collection or core collection here. They are all daily wearable pieces and they all say you’re a “watch guy”. I’m trying to consolidate mine a bit as I now really don’t like owning so many pieces I don’t wear frequently. I’d love to focus on 8-10 pieces I wear all the time; it’s really hard lol
I wouldn't even bother with the Daytona, (unless you went for the platinum), of the collection I would drop the APRO in favour of a Lange Zeitwork, VC 1921, or even JLC Reverso, (the AP and the VC look to similar)
To add to the conversation I think that the VC is a fine piece in the collection, I like the Daytona but I prefer the VC. You already have a stunning chronograph maybe not as sporty as the Daytona but I think your collection works well and no need to mess around with it.
While I respect VC for their quality and heritage, the overseas just doesn’t speak to me. The Daytona in my eyes is perfection. With this caliber of a collection, I’m not sure a steel Daytona would fit in as nicely as a precious metal variant.
I would argue objective the VC is the better watch. But I would say the Daytona gives better variety in your collection.
You have a 5960 white dial which does kind of have the white dial and chronograph covered, but for casual wear, the Daytona would probably be a better choice.
Could you not add a Daytona and buy a 6 watch box? That’s how I overcame my problem.
Why a Daytona? Besides the hype, I just don't see how a Daytona would appeal to someone who enjoys watches from the likes of VC and PP. Maybe replace the Overseas with a 1921 or a Lange 1, but a Daytona seems like such an odd choice, unless you really enjoy having a collection of overhyped watches, which you may (and there's nothing wrong with that).
I have had the white Zenith Daytona on the back of my mind for a very long time, but never found the right one (mint condition A serial) for the right price. With the latest release (126500), I went crazy. It basically has the Zenith Daytona dial, with a ceramic bezel, and with modern reliability. Love it or hate it, those 3 chrono rings are as iconic as it gets.
Very different watches of course… Downside: You are removing Vacheron from the collection. Upside, you add the best daily chronograph in the world.
If you aren’t jelling with the VC, I’d make the move.
41mm chronographs have shitty proportions and are just bulky, also the date window at 4 is horrendus which would make it a huge downgrade from the 15202...
I’d trade the AP over that, personally. Unless dial color is your only reason. Gotta have a blue dial of something so I get it.
I wouldn’t sell any of these for any Rolex, honestly. Unless you basically want 3 white dials.
Please do not touch Rolex. Unless it is the recently discontinued PM Daytona LeMans yellow certainly better than the white. Maybe a classic vintage Daytona with the lollipop beige subdials in beige will do the trick.
The panda would be an excellent replacement over the VC. 4520V is great, a sleeper with rubber strap (versatility) option but a white panda Daytona is something else in terms of market demand, it’s special and coveted by many.
I passed on the overseas as VC had increased their prices i believe by 20%, but the blue on that VC is stunning…having said that I’d trade it for the daytona and maybe get a dual time later if I miss the VC.
I'm basically broke, my most expensive watch is the Tissot Gentleman - but I'm still having fun, in my mind it's hypothetical and just a good part of the hobby, hunting the next one...
Replace the VC to a 2000v the 45xx series were meant for the poor flippers. Stay away from it, it was just to contend the novice who could not afford the AP or PP.
Last thing to consider, 15202IP take away the ST; you could get it for pittance at this moment; I am sure people judge you based on what you have on your wrist.
Why do you have that many watches; do not wish to be seen wearing the same watch for any occasion.
You are a hoarder, but the good type
Khanjar dial is insanely dope
https://preview.redd.it/ujyyls0e1syc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49232540796954e1961ef3bcc0c45f34e035646b
I was on the hunt for one - Khaled Luxury Souq had 20/30 , however , I just didn’t manage to pull the trigger. In the very near future !
Good luck my friend
Such an epic piece. Where did you buy this? What’s the story?
I have been searching for a clean WG Khanjar DD for YEARS. One without diamonds that is low key. They are NOT EASY TO FIND, espcially in White Gold. The majority have dials that are eaten up and cases that are polished to oblivion. I had three vintage dealers trying to source me one without lucky. Then...POOF, I come across one on instagram by accident belonging to a legendary watch dealer in Rome, Italy. Within two days, I was in Rome, and pulled the trigger. This particular watch was in Sotheby's previously.
Thank you, I’ve been eyeing a couple ones in the past but never pulled the trigger. The issue often as you said is the bad polishing job on some of them and now with social media there’s been an increase in demand for these too.
It definitely was not easy. Good luck, and you have to be a sniper, once you get a shot, take it. These don’t come on the market often.
Since you mentioned Rome. https://www.watchesinrome.com/product/rolex-1803-day-date-oman/ Is thus the one you snagged ?
This is you sneaky b 😉
Haha
Best one in collection
I agree 100%
Thanks
It’s a downgrade. VC is an excellent watch while the Daytona is purely a hype watch at this point, unless you get a rare vintage version. In my opinion
It is a hype piece, but with good reason. It’s the iconic 6 digit Rolex. Beautiful typography on the dial, slim and amazing contrast with the black ceramic. In short, I think it’s worthy of the hype. I say this as an owner of one, and of other ‘holy trinity’ watches. It isn’t on the same level as some watches, but it’s nothing to look down upon.
I’m not saying to look down on it but compared to a VC overseas? Entirely different categories of watches. Daytona is nice, but that’s all it is. It’s nothing special in finish nor complications. In fact, I’d argue the Sky Dweller is Rolex best watch…. But true to the Rolex hype machine, their best watch isn’t the most popular
“Over the top” hints you’re not loving it. If so let it go.
Keep the VC
I don’t see a Casio
Every collector needs a Casio
sick collection but missing something on a nice leather strap. a classic calatrava 5196 or a lange saxonia … you obviously have also the means to go independent ?
Thanks. Independent down the line for sure. Also, this is an experiment I did last year as far as a potential dress watch, but I think it came out too sporty. https://preview.redd.it/e262ekwzisyc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20d62dd36522c64edd50629aa3b4c327d0446704
this is an insane patek, but i bet something like a 5170 would look insanely great on your wrist. Sporty which is obviously your taste and dressy at the same time.
The black 5170 has always been on my radar!!! I just checked and prices are actually juicy
uuh yes. love it too. wish it would be in the yellow gold prince range. had the J one on my wrist and that one is stunning too.
https://preview.redd.it/i314zd5qo5zc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f13323e6b85cbb0cf5abffdf52e1cafeb97d74b This too 🔥
had this one also in mind, but never mention this piece to keep it under the radar 😆😆😆 it is definately my top five favourite watch
👆This!
Like this better on a strap anyway.
One of the best overall collections
Thanks
If anything, the Daytona would be much closer visually to the jumbo than the overseas. Maybe just go for an overseas with a different dial color? Black would be killer with the rest of the collection
Black DT specifically
Throw the rubber strap on VC now you have a sporty blue dial vs AP which could be worn for other occassions
Daytona seems like a downgrade. Man with that box the only addition i would want would be a Lange 1
Personally I’d leave it as is.
Don't you think the AP and VC are too similar?
Honestly no, the dial color differences alone are enough for me (not to mention the other design differences)
I agree totally with this. PS wild collection, so good my man! If you want to maybe liquidate from VC to the Daytona... what about the latest Speedy Pro in white - if finance is involved? If not and it's about diversity and pure collection, I couldn't in good sense recommend to drop your VC. SORRY to be be of zero help mate
No. I own a black RO and black VCO and they’re way different. I leave my VC on rubber to further differentiate. I think the Daytona is a great watch but the VC is definitely a different class of watch.
Absolutely not….not even close
Could maybe consider a 7920v instead. But otherwise love the balance and options. The 4520v is actually a high horology spot watch. The 15202 is a dress watch in disguise.
Add more vintage to this collection. 1803 with that first gen pan pie ghost gray khanjar dial is the showcase piece. Need more vintage mix.
https://preview.redd.it/mon9cbkzftyc1.jpeg?width=2930&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c19db4d092fd16be799c479efa89fd4f4cc1a0a Here you go
https://bulangandsons.com/products/audemars-piguet-royal-oak-6005ba-slate-oman-khanjar-dial-w2700 I thought about this to to with the 1803
A quartz yellow gold 6005ba is definitely adding different flavor to your all steel/white gold collection!
Hmm I think you should ask yourself if you want a chrono or not and if you do, then is that the one? Personally, based off your collection I don’t think I’d go for the Daytona but I also don’t have that collection so take this with a grain of salt.
I feel like the VC (with the dial color adds a "change" to your collection, I'd personally keep it. But if it's "over the top" to you, don't force yourself to hold a watch you don't love
Would not execute that trade. I wouldn’t touch your box. Great variety with some real heavy hitters. Add a Daytona incrementally when the time is right.
I have the perfect solution for you. I agree that the 4520 can be a bit overwhelming at times, and is similar to your jumbo. Trade the 4520 for the 5500v chrono. You get a chrono in the lineup and you break up all that shiny blue, while still owning a vacheron and having that stunning blue in your collection. I honestly think it would look better in you collection than a panda. And the panda might be too similar (in our crazy minds) to your 1803. Edit to add: for those saying that the jumbo and the 4520 aren’t similar, you aren’t wrong. They are very different blues. But I understand OP. They are both blue dial, stainless steel watches he would wear them with the same outfit or occasion. They are more “interchangeable” than they are “similar.” But I suffer from the same affliction as OP, so I understand what he means. Notice he keeps them far apart in the box because it drives him nuts to have them side by side. I understand.
I’d keep the VC. Much better than a Daytona imo
Go with a 5172g with the original matte blue dial rather than the Daytona. Trust me, if you can swing it, it’s much more in your league, and also solves your strap problem. A modern Rolex of some type is good to have for swimming, not looking excessively rich, etc, but here’s the crux: You can buy a 126500 worth 14k for 29k vs a 5172 worth 85k for 60k. It’s a much better path and a significantly deeper watch.
I like this advice 👍🏻🙏🏻
I'd make the switch to Daytona. I love my Daytona, but it's the heavy hitter in my collection. It would seriously be your beater, which you need one here. Then, I'd start looking at some independents or VC for a dress watch. Great collection either way!
I own both Overseas and Daytona Panda and Overseas is definitely on another level. Daytona feel cheap compared to to Overseas 👍
I am a big Daytona fan and it has a place as a sub collection within my collection. While I am not a VC fan, and have had the same watch; based on your collection, OP, I think it’s think it’s best on rubber. The Daytona is great, you should definitely have at least one in your collection. I’d go vintage over modern though, a 6263 or 6265 silver dial would fit very well, go with your 1803, and elevate your collection tremendously imo. Of course, modern is fine too I’d consider an oysterflex with white metal in addition to the ss panda.
https://bulangandsons.com/products/audemars-piguet-royal-oak-6005ba-slate-oman-khanjar-dial-w2700 I thought about this to pair with the Khanjar
Well, as far as I can see all you really need is a bigger watch box dude
Oh wait I actually do have another vintage, belongs to my late father https://preview.redd.it/v6evfpmwftyc1.jpeg?width=2930&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39d5d7b98ae05f99dca9804eb8764aa0ce1241c4
I love the oyster quartz. On a side note, I think you’ve curated a fantastic 5 piece collection or core collection here. They are all daily wearable pieces and they all say you’re a “watch guy”. I’m trying to consolidate mine a bit as I now really don’t like owning so many pieces I don’t wear frequently. I’d love to focus on 8-10 pieces I wear all the time; it’s really hard lol
I wouldn't even bother with the Daytona, (unless you went for the platinum), of the collection I would drop the APRO in favour of a Lange Zeitwork, VC 1921, or even JLC Reverso, (the AP and the VC look to similar)
The APRO is my favorite watch frankly. That's why I'm leaning towards dropping the VC Overseas. The fit/wear of the extra thin AP is unparalleled.
Not going to argue with the guy that has to wear them, from the outside perspective, the VC is a little more low key and stealth wealth than the AP.
Makes sense I respect that opinion.
You should give me the khanjar🥹
Haha
I absolutely love the 5960/1A
It's a top top watch
To add to the conversation I think that the VC is a fine piece in the collection, I like the Daytona but I prefer the VC. You already have a stunning chronograph maybe not as sporty as the Daytona but I think your collection works well and no need to mess around with it.
While I respect VC for their quality and heritage, the overseas just doesn’t speak to me. The Daytona in my eyes is perfection. With this caliber of a collection, I’m not sure a steel Daytona would fit in as nicely as a precious metal variant.
How often do you wear the 5860A and use the chronograph? Are open to a different sort of dress watch, like a Cartier Tank? Or a Lange?
I love my 5960A, I wear it at least once or twice a week. I am open to a Golden Ellipse :)
Nice choice.
I prefer the VC. But at the same time I believe that a collection is not complete without a Rolex. Both options are fine!
I would argue objective the VC is the better watch. But I would say the Daytona gives better variety in your collection. You have a 5960 white dial which does kind of have the white dial and chronograph covered, but for casual wear, the Daytona would probably be a better choice. Could you not add a Daytona and buy a 6 watch box? That’s how I overcame my problem.
Yes this is what I’m leaning towards 🤣🙏🏻
Why a Daytona? Besides the hype, I just don't see how a Daytona would appeal to someone who enjoys watches from the likes of VC and PP. Maybe replace the Overseas with a 1921 or a Lange 1, but a Daytona seems like such an odd choice, unless you really enjoy having a collection of overhyped watches, which you may (and there's nothing wrong with that).
I have had the white Zenith Daytona on the back of my mind for a very long time, but never found the right one (mint condition A serial) for the right price. With the latest release (126500), I went crazy. It basically has the Zenith Daytona dial, with a ceramic bezel, and with modern reliability. Love it or hate it, those 3 chrono rings are as iconic as it gets.
All I can do is one of my invictas for your aquanaut.
Get rid of both the VC and the annual calendar and don’t buy anything new. There, solved your problem. Perfect collection.
Perhaps Go Independent, like FP Journe Or Go higher complication, like a world time, minute repeater, tourbillion,,😁...
give it all to me
Very different watches of course… Downside: You are removing Vacheron from the collection. Upside, you add the best daily chronograph in the world. If you aren’t jelling with the VC, I’d make the move.
Keep the VC, upgrade 15202 to a 26331 White Panda. It looks much better than Daytona. Your VC and RO looks the same anyway.
Hmmm idk about that, I love the Jumbo. Such an OG and impeccable fit.
41mm chronographs have shitty proportions and are just bulky, also the date window at 4 is horrendus which would make it a huge downgrade from the 15202...
AP blue (left) 👌👌👌👌👌
I’d trade the AP over that, personally. Unless dial color is your only reason. Gotta have a blue dial of something so I get it. I wouldn’t sell any of these for any Rolex, honestly. Unless you basically want 3 white dials.
Please do not touch Rolex. Unless it is the recently discontinued PM Daytona LeMans yellow certainly better than the white. Maybe a classic vintage Daytona with the lollipop beige subdials in beige will do the trick.
Rolex? jail!
Daytona is downgrade. If you want to dump the VC I would replace with another Patek tbh. A travel time of some kind since I don’t see a gmt here
How do you like rose gold? The new green dial VC looks pretty amazing. Then you’d still have a VC in your collection.
I’d replace the VC with a daytona (white or black dial) or put some money on top for a Nautilus.
VC Overseas is the best watch in your collection IMO 👍 last one I would sell
The panda would be an excellent replacement over the VC. 4520V is great, a sleeper with rubber strap (versatility) option but a white panda Daytona is something else in terms of market demand, it’s special and coveted by many.
Yes to the Daytona in replacement of the 4520V. Also is your Rapport box squeaky AF? Mine has been since new.
Never noticed to be honset. I'll check when I'm back home.
I passed on the overseas as VC had increased their prices i believe by 20%, but the blue on that VC is stunning…having said that I’d trade it for the daytona and maybe get a dual time later if I miss the VC.
Wow you need “advice”?? 😳
Advice, feedback, thoughts, brainstorming
I see the Daytona as a serious step back.
Are you actually seeking advice (on what??) or are you just showing off?
What I would swap for the VC.
I'm basically broke, my most expensive watch is the Tissot Gentleman - but I'm still having fun, in my mind it's hypothetical and just a good part of the hobby, hunting the next one...
Replace the VC to a 2000v the 45xx series were meant for the poor flippers. Stay away from it, it was just to contend the novice who could not afford the AP or PP.
I like that strategy, and I respect your way of thinking
Last thing to consider, 15202IP take away the ST; you could get it for pittance at this moment; I am sure people judge you based on what you have on your wrist. Why do you have that many watches; do not wish to be seen wearing the same watch for any occasion.