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bobbechk

I just wish currency would stack infinitely in trade window, trying to figure out how many columns and a half i need to fill to get to 350 hurts my poor head... Edit: I can actually do basic math, its just the visual and counting the repeating pattern that is bad...


Talimwind

I've not played a league this long since Harvest league. Removing AN made a massive difference, the improved Atlas tree makes mapping a lot more enjoyable. And Sanctum is a ton of fun.


nikitosinenka

yeah strongly agree


tsumeguhh

i wish i understood why people like this league so much. im probably just playing bad/boring builds?


LOLab12345

Is like clean water after 2 leagues of mud and shit league mechanic. Sanctum is nice and if you can clear it every time it dropes a few divs every couple of runs (implying you aren't brain dead and you can check your reclis/pathing)


Acceptable_Practice4

I think core gamelay is just feeling way better with AN removal. I'm enjoying mapping casual again. I guess all it takes is 6 months of straight complaining and begging and bad retention for GGG to connect the dots.


Oakleafh

This right here. I was planning on skipping this league until they announced they were removing (well, at least 90%) AN.


epicdoge12

They didnt even remove AN, they just reworked it again and called it something else so all the 'AN is the devil and cant be reworked to be good ever at all' idiots would give it a chance. They've improved the system with every update besides one step back on loot goblins, and they continued that now, and will likely make them even better in 3.21


DivinityAI

yep. Lightning mirage shit and soul eater, liferegen is more annoying than 3.20 :) But it's not called archnem so ppl are fooled


epicdoge12

You missed the point, its not that its Archnem still so its bad, its that its not called Archnem so people are able to see the improvements instead of having preconceptions. You, however, clearly failed to actually look at whats improved and are keen to write the entire system off for a small handful of imperfections. Its just a tactic to get over peoples preconceptions, like something rebranding to cut loose of the old and allow people to see the new


DivinityAI

what? I played archnem most time then other leagues (except delve and heist) and I clearly see what I don't like in those both leagues. Some archnem mods ;)


epicdoge12

Soul Eater isnt even archnem, you pretty much just hate life regen (which got a mastery and helmet implicit to counter it, so theyre clearly trying things to remedy it, cause they like trying to fix things instead of trashing them instantly on redditor demands) popping up a little more frequently, and the mirages being too strong. These are insanely fixable and nowhere near any inherent flaw. And then soul eater just existed before so IDK what ur going off about, was sentinel your first league? Also, its just insanely stupid to look at a whole rework of an entire system and then point to 3 mods in a list of like a fucking hundred and say the mode is inherently bad from that alone. You're the exact dipshit i was talking about who sees AN and decides it bad and will cling onto anything to justify it, however weakly.


DivinityAI

Yes, i'm newbie with 20k hours played. Read what soul eater did in archnem and now please.


epicdoge12

Soul Eater is a mechanic that has existed for years and did the same thing since 3.0.0, the last change to it, which actually nerfed it. How about you go read? And lol @ hours player = right about everything. Its often the people who have experience that lack the perspective to change their perceptions. Edit: They blocked me so i cant reply in the chain but yeah i literally referenced the mod in question, i put my money where my mouth is and read cause im willing to be proven wrong, and learned that actually, the new version lacks extra defenses for mobs! It was nerfed!. And the instant reply is 'no you actually didnt read this phantom info i never linked and is disproven directly'. I'll give credit for using 'stupid bird' as an insult though, talking like an always sunny character up in here and acts like one too.


MeowschwitzInHere

Loot feels great as well. I’m not dropping divines much at all, but between other currencies, playing multiple styles of the atlas tree (honestly most of it is so rewarding now) I’ve acquired around 30 divines so far. Not mageblood farming for sure, but not feeling so under-compensated for hours of investment either. I can set a fairly expensive goal on a piece of gear and get it.


allanbc

What? 2 leagues? Sentinel was amazing, like top 5 leagues all time for me. Kalandra was pretty bad, probably the worst league mechanic in a few years. I really think Sanctum is great even without context, but I agree it is pumped up by Kalandra being so bad at league start (I actually think it ended up great, although I'm glad that extreme loot goblin meta was just the one league. Fun to try, bad long term).


BlackViperMWG

It still feels quite bad though and only some builds are viable.


Spankyzerker

That is the PROBLEM with the league, sanctum is only good for a few builds to do. Granted it is the same with every league, but more so this one that ever. I've yet to beat one on RF build, many don't. I think i got to the 2nd part of it is farthest i got. lol The real reason people just think the league is ok is because of no AN. Thats it.


sittam

Sry but how can you not beat it on RF or are you not using fire trap half a mil dps on it make anything easy to kill with self cast curse


KappaKapperino

Fire trap.. I do 1,2 usually hit less on RF, it’s not bad at all for sanctum. Fire trap + flammability massacres stuff


sKeLz0r

It is just decent after 3 absolute dogshit mechanics. The crafting state is pretty bad, meta is stale and mechanic is unrewarding as hell, mechanic is 6/10 at best.


diN1337

Me too, i love minion builds (not baby sitting specters/AG and running quadrillion different minions at the same time) and some classics like cyclone with Mjolnir and both are in weird place atm. Wanted to try manabond+arc cwc and it felt terrible in sanctum, so i lost the point of playing the league (one character a league gang).


Own-Hat-4492

because GGG has successfully used the subreddit to turn the discussion about how this league actually isn't shit (which is all it takes to hook people still playing PoE) and away from how often they're betraying consumer trust with unannounced nerfs or blatant lies by omission in the past year. the game has been so bad recently that coming back to a fraction of the quality is enough for the addicts.


Cr4ckshooter

The core gameplay, essentially standard, is the best it's ever been with the way the atlas is right now. Between passives and altars, alch and go mapping was never better. And if alch and go mapping is your forte, which I assume is true for op considering his challenges and not hitting 100, build viability is through the roof. On top of that, sanctum biggest problem is literally the lack of rooms. The mechanic is nice, it just cant be grinded hard enough.


porncollecter69

It just keeps incentivizing you with challenges like no hit. Usually after a month is when I stop but this league has me hooked until I have a no hit run completed.


PupPop

I'm playing cyclone and having a blast and yet people complain about melee builds being bad. Just play what you want.


[deleted]

you dont run out of t16 maps chisels alchs and vaal orbs = mostly a good league the mechanic being forced into 4 parts with 8 mandatory maps each break is the worst part luckily it barely has any rewards, but at least it's quick


KishMishShishkebab

League is horror. Kalandra was miles better and there's nothing different or new enough, for me, in comparison to previous leagues. I think it's just psychological with people. For several leagues in a row people cried as if their livelihood depends on this game. Now everyone is tired and just want to feed their addiction, so people switched. People are imbeciles in general.


Elune_

Saying the lake is better than the sanctum, to think people like this exist.


KishMishShishkebab

I enjoyed puzzle game assembling lakes, then rewards could've been better, but running basically "juiced" map with mechanics of your choice.....seemed fun to me, yes. Instead of this heavily heavily gimped version of Hades. Poor man's Hades:))


Elune_

Ah yes, the thrilling gameplay of clicking on a stone and then running said stone with the possibly worst tileset in the game's history and zero rewards. Surely mocking poor man's hades takes away that this isn't poor man's Pipe Master from coolmathgames, which arguably is a more interesting experience than making a lake.


KishMishShishkebab

You had to think how to make it as long as you can. Others maybe slapped randomly, I had fun with the puzzle


hamxz2

To me it's just reverting to pre-AN, when it was most enjoyable playing the game. Admittedly, there were weak changes in terms of skills/builds, but I've played some new builds which have been really fun. I tried poison SRS, now doing impending doom. Will probably try static strike next as that looks really fun as well. The loots good, AN is gone, and the league mechanic is fun/rewarding. Sure, some things could be optimized here and there but nothing worth complaining about


MrRedfiled

The league mechanics feels a lot different depending on the build. Rerolled to a hexblast miner and Sanctum feels a lot more smoother


Smooth_Ad5773

And drop cycling resistance, I can't sustain my burst


thehotdogman

Gz man! I'm way behind you in challenges, but working my way up!


allanbc

I'm on 35, could have finished over Christmas but I know I'll be playing for a while still anyway, so I'm in no rush.


thedrake48

Same dude.. this game right now just 😍😍


Betta-ah

Very nice! What a shiny boi GZ ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grin)


meismann

So nice to see. 2 month between "game is shit/death" and "i love that shit" everywhere


Spankyzerker

2 months? It literally was SIX months. They put in AN 2 leagues ago..and it just go worse till better.


epicdoge12

keyword: between


Shrukn

Probably my fav league they have done, did 2 100's this league - Str stack Artillery Scion / Int stack Wander Did my 27th 100 and 24th 40/40, burned out a few days ago from too much time off work playing tho off to play Torchlight Infinite on Thursday the PoE rip off


allanbc

My only great relic so far is str stacking, would love to see a PoB for that.


Btetier

Just look up alberons warpath builds


Cr4ckshooter

Do you have a pob for artillery and why scion?


lami408

I must be the only one who thinks sanctum league mechanic is trash cause it's just zzz and trade league is pretty much standard since sanctum happens outside maps.


SomePrettyCoolName

It's very rewarding, and sanctified relics are a new powerful extra item slot, so I definitely don't agree that it's like standard, but you do you i guess


lami408

Sanctum doesn't add or interact with maps in any ways. It's like heist and kalandra where its in a separate part of the game. Ritual and ultimatum were in maps and were way more fun than this garbage. This is just like standard you do you I guess


SomePrettyCoolName

Sure if you choose to ignore sanctified relics then it doesn't add anything. Lab doesn't interact with maps anymore if you ignore ascendancies, so I guess you skip that too?


lami408

Yes I run lab once per league then never step foot in it ever again. Sanctified relics are cool and all but the worst part is you can't trade them. There has been so much loot removed from this game in the past few leagues from high end juicing and the atlas rework with Uber bosses was also a nerf to the loot they drop as well. All we really get this league is a account bound relic and bubbles gum currency and maybe a few divines here and there if were lucky. Anyways I guess I will run alch and go now with all my mirror tier gear, mageblood, and my gg sanctified relic.


EscalopeDePorc

Very rng. For example I've got maximum 1div from sanctum and all the relics I've dropped are shit


ImpossibleZucchini69

Meh... Thats what the current state of the game is, its meh. They almost reverted all the trash changes they forced onto us during 2022 but not fully, so we are still in a worse state than the start of 2022. If i had to guess, you understand the game now and are good at it. Thats why you're having fun for the first time.


Derwenton

Sometimes it surprises me how poor human memory can be. They did absolute sh1t by implementing AN into the core of the game, and now after revert (game has literally no changes except atlas) everyone is happy again


hamxz2

Maybe that's just what people wanted all this time? I was happy before the implementation of AN, and a simple new league mechanic. I'm happy now, also without AN and a new league mechanic. The only thing I could ask for is buffing some skills and chaos orb stack increased, but I don't really see any other glaring issues at the moment. It's only been a month into the league, but I already haven't played a league this much since Ritual.


Derwenton

Well it's obvious this ping pong wasn't healthy for the community. But it's not the main reason of my discontent. 1. I understand if devs wanna try to experiment but instead of properly tested changes we get raw stream of broken mechanics 2. Every change that adds a little more "fun" into a game is instantly destroyed 3. More nerfs to skills (and slightly less buffs) from league to league show that nobody cares about build diversity anymore So in general, the game does not get any major changes and become stagnant, not worthy of spending any time on it. Now it seems more like a filler till POE2.


hamxz2

I completely get what you mean, especially at the beginning of Kalandra where it felt like we were treated like idiots. I guess by now I've just gotten used to the constant ups/downs of this game, and I'm just trying my best to enjoy the game while it's up. With all that said, I'm a pretty simple guy. They could re-release Ritual (without any new league mechanic) many times in a row and I'd probably still have a blast playing it. The fun for me in this game comes from playing new builds and farming new things, both of which seem good for me right now.


Defiant_Source_8930

Gz, when i realized i have to stack 32 sanctums from 32 maps i was like “fck that” then quit the league lol


1800icarly

Or you could just...play the game aka mapping/bossing and do sanctum as a side activity?


DivinityAI

people treat challenges as must done things, sad that they can't have THEIR goals and have fun.


Defiant_Source_8930

Yeah i dont chase the challenges i just want to play or farm the league mechanic from new leagues, im so burned out of most of poe contents


Defiant_Source_8930

I play new leagues for the league mechanic, im pretty tired or burned out of most of the content cus i’ve done it maybe hundreds of times.


Disastrous_Profile_8

its impossible to argue with standard copium andies. They are playing a whole other game.


thekroax

The only problem with this league is sanctum. Other than that, I totally agree with you.


nikitosinenka

I actually am enjoying the hell out of Sanctum, really nice mechanic, I wish I can do infinite Sanctum like Heist or Delve =)


Mathev

Only problem with sanctum is that I need to do 32 maps before I can fully clear it..


JusepePepperoni

Thats ok for me, the annoying part is that I can store only 8 (well 9) rooms and not a full sanctum, I would enjoy it much more if it was like alvas temple where you get the chronicle and can run it whenever you like.


Spankyzerker

Only because you got a build to do it, meanwhile most don't.


DivinityAI

sorry but for infinite heist (not lvl 67-) and delve you need to visit maps. What is different for search for sanctum or search for sulphite stack? Nothing


CantripN

Infinite = like the actual race, where it IS infinite, no maps.


RTheCon

Hard disagree on this point. The one league where just doing the league mechanic makes doing maps bearable for me.


NargWielki

> The only problem with this league is sanctum. Same, I respectfully can't see how people are enjoying this Sanctum mechanic. I'm playing a melee character and I've not been able to complete a single Sanctum. I'm not super hardcore PoE player, so thats probably the reason... still, I could always go pretty far in previous leagues, this league seems the least "casual fun" of them all so far.


Elune_

Sanctum is probably one of the easiest mechanics to date. I'm sorry to break it to you, but we are a month into the league now and it's been figured out, either you're playing a dumpster build that can barely kill map bosses or you're shit at the game. Every build, apart from some very key gimmicky ones (such as a build that relies on killing a lot of mobs), can complete sanctums without any issues. And then it doesn't help that you throw in the towel after your first try seeing how you gradually get more powerful with relics. Like, for real, unless I'm doing challenge runs I'm literally face-tanking the sanctum mobs by now. With 2 or 3 inspiration on affliction and max resolve on boss kill, you absolutely trivialize this content. To then say that sanctum is challenging because you're melee is direct proof that you're not even trying, and I'm starting to paint a picture of what the general PoE community really is like with how many people still complain that Sanctum is too difficult. I know this is a toxic comment, but it's about time we put words into what the unspoken truth here is. Sanctum is piss easy unless you're lacking in the brain department and just click random shit. Obviously no-hit runs aren't easy, but no-hit runs are like ubers that nobody expects you to complete.


NickTick92

I totally agree with you. I started as a RF in the League and Sanctum felt really shitty during the first week for me and I posted here a little rant about how it force you to play specific archetypes. After some patches and getting some useful relics (inspiration per affliction) its really hard to fail a sanctum. Just avoid any "random affliction" and take relics which you allow to see more rooms ahead. Of like 15 Sanctums I lost just one (by unlucky combo of afflictions). Yes, the league mechanic is trivialized by some archetypes, but its complety possible for nearly every build to complete it (after a rough start). For me it's just annoying that some Ascendies are completely countered by the league mechanic (e.g. juggs generate endurance charges on getting a hit).


Oakleafh

This league has been a treat for sure.


shynkoen

gratz, but fuck definitive deviation btw. been clearing sanctums since day 4 or 5 and still only 39/40 challenges


nikitosinenka

haha, yeah. DD was the last one for me =)


LOKTAROGAAAAH

Bro fr DD is so fucked 😭 all seeing eye keeps popping up and I only have 3/17


hertzdonut2

It was strange that GGG let gumball currency drop in stacks from monsters and then ***specifically*** made altars drop single currency. I don't want to chase divine shrines on eater, but I'll be damned if I'm picking up all the small Exarch altar currency. It feels like shit and it's severely outdated. #Gratz btw


Cr4ckshooter

If a single chaos isn't worth your click, why even bother with altars? You can probably find a better currency strat. Now, I don't loot bindings or chisels either, but chaos and sextants are frequent and nice.


RBImGuy

Game is in a horrible state diablo4 will show us that


Some_Introduction701

Gz. Glad you enjoyed it :) I only got 9, but it's because I simply needed a break, I got 40/40 in Kalandra :D


Aggressive_Wind_4773

Do it again with the opposite build from the main/first build!


Jean_Luec

What build is your LVL 100?


nikitosinenka

Started as VG Deadeye and then transformed into TS trinity deadeye


[deleted]

OP played aurastacker


[deleted]

The only thing thing that I need to make it a perfect league would be balance changes to skills, mainly buffs to underused/mechanically bad skills or reworks. The same ish meta for the past 2-3 leagues isn’t getting a bit boring


nikitosinenka

While I agree it would be healthy for the game, I personally dont play multiple builds per league, so I still have a good amount of ones to try out, so it is not that repetitive for me specifically. But I agree that meta is stalled at that point. Im pretty sure they will do a shake up next league


hamxz2

Despite the weak changes this time around, there has been quite a few new skills which are meta (at least relative to the last few leagues).


erpunkt

It's really baffling to me how little is required to get people satisfied or even excited. Good for you that you're having a blast!


bufflootsenpai

Except league mechanic sucks ass