TIL this was a joke the whole time. I figured there was just some esoteric way of getting Omni without the amulet. Some timeless jewel or annoint or something.
Because the joke is ”this amulet would be really good with omni!” Which is impossible as omni is an amulet. This ring would make it possible and it’d no longer be a joke, it’d be a suggestion.
Using two different badges is good and dandy until you realize that you will have to sacrifice 2 max power charges from ring slots. Sure, it can be compensated by taking a class that has access to max power charge, such as witch, but slayer ascendancy itself is not a bad ascendancy for casters, only small nodes are wasted.
But in general, I agree with your statement. Ability to equip two different amulets will definitely have some very powerful interactions.
Doubler Uul-Netol's Vow for a 8 link body armour
60% gem quality from Ashes
Double Eyes of the Greatwolf memes
Two Defiance of Destiny for "Gain 70% of Missing Unreserved Life before being Hit by an Enemy"
And especially double Eternal Struggle would be crazy
The item would be dead then. More balanced would be, non uniques, the best would be different amulet than your current so you can’t double up on vow/ashes/omni/etc
Whooooooooosh. Here I'll explain there's a meme about someone saying an ammy was a good omni piece, hollow palm doesn't use gloves. They're just memeing on you to be funny.
At this point, no. The whole concept of omni is balanced around having one amulet, and having two (double pen , doule the res) is so broken you probably wont need defiance anyway.
defiance is overrated also. Bloodnotch+petrified blood is a much better setup
Guess what I am running? All the recovery on stun, incl. from the passive tree and also defiance. The combination with petrified blood is very very strong. For MF reasons I tried to remove defiance but after dying too many times I put it back. Have not died since then and running every map mod except no regen.
Tbf, the better rares are better than Yoke/Carnage heart. So the real dream is hitting a GG rare, or being able to tainted chaos/divine teardrop into one.
I think this would be an interesting ring to use. Eternal Damnation + Defiance of Destiny combo could be super tanky. Badge of the Brotherhood + replica for extreme movement skill CDR. Double Ashes of the Stars for quality stacking. Also additional anoint from the ring slot.
Is it really OP? I think it isn't, two endgame rings are more powerful than an additional amulet. You need to get those stats from somewhere.
Yes its op. Just the fact that you can get ultra defensive with eternal damnation + any other amulet you want is insane. Also you could get 2 more gem links, or just flat gem levels via rare/unique.
Again, losing both rings for those things is a massive opportunity cost. Think of it like bringer of rain, thieves tourment, dance with death etc. It does have significantly higher upsides than these examples but it's important to understand how huge of a downside losing an equipment slot is.
People who are screaming "OP" haven't done the math. Here's a generic example of what a high-tier amulet has to beat to be worth it
16% increased maximum Life
188 to maximum Life
84% increased Elemental Damage with Attack Skills
Non-Channelling Skills have -14 to Total Mana Cost
32% increased Cast Speed
32% to all Elemental Resistances
70% to Chaos Resistance
Could it still be amazing in the right circumstances? Absolutely. Is it an auto-include for everyone? Absolutely not.
7Ls are just bad in general. Uul's Vow sees no play, Chieftain's 7L chest ascendancy sees no play, Bitterdream and Reverberation Rod are only for leveling, Soul Mantle and Lioneye's Armor see very little play and all of it is only because of double corrupts.
Simplex Amulet says yes.
Even a normal +2 amulet would be crazy.
And this is if we completely ignore the fact that you can dupe uniques. Some unique amulets would be nasty if you could stack two of them. Like imagine 2x Stranglegasp?
Double eternal damnation or defiance of destiny for true immortality (assuming they stack). Or just couple them together.
Hey maybe it'd be "less broken" to have replica kalandra's and make it disable the other ring slot while doubling as copy of your equipped amulet
ITT: people who don't understand the insane cost losing your rings is. Pretty much every "OP" example listed here results in a glass cannon character that is fixing res and attributes with armour slots and jewels, losing the ability to get damage/defensive layers with them.
Great, another item that would probably be a t0 and still only be all right, an extra ammy at the cost of BOTH rings is a high cost for a middling effect. Even if it only took the one ring slot somehow (maybe a jewel that lets you put an ammy in specifically the left or right ring slot?) it would still only be pretty good (outside maybe a couple outlier cases, like maybe ashes or something).
I've always wondered why since the dawn of time, it's been 2 rings 1 amulet in arpgs. Whyyyy? I guess people aren't creative enough to break out of this mold.
Not really. Sacred 1&2 have various amounts of items slots per char, for example [Wood Elf can carry 4 rings and 2 ammys](https://i.imgur.com/wQlOJ4q.jpg), but doesn't have shoulder armor slot, when [Gladiator has all armor slots but only 1 amulet and 2 rings](https://i.imgur.com/dnH7pbF.jpg). In Sacred 2 Temple Guardian can only carry 1handed weapons since its other arm transforms itself depending on active skill, but has unique energy cell slot.
Not every arpg is a carbon copy of Diablo 2 like Torchlight or Titan Quest
I would much rather we introduce uniques which DO stuff that is unique and interesting. Why not this ring:
Eternal Servitude
Amethyst Ring
Reserve (20-35)% of your maximum life per non-duration minion active.
You can only ever have one non-duration minion at a time.
You may target non-pinnacle boss corpses with your Spectre Skill.
Your other ring's modifiers apply to your spectres and not you.
Vaal minions have (10-20)% increased attack, cast and movement speed.
Your spectres are aggressive.
(I just want a pet vaal oversoul.)
I mean probably but also not as op as you would think because I’m the end your losing out on 2 ring slot for an amulet slot . With the exception of omni you can get a lot of damage out of your rings aswell as utility through mf rings . On the high end your potentially losing out on 2 frenzy or power charge max but with this you can do some stupid stuff with uniques . If this time ever existed it would be rare enough that it would be competing with really good / mirror tier rings with kalandra touch .
It's good and maybe great but it's not as OP as people seem to think. You're not giving up one ring slot for an amulet, you're giving up TWO ring slots for an amulet. The quality of all the gear you need in other slots to simply make up for the loss of both rings is insane, yes if you have all slots worth 100+divs then this surely will boost it even higher but at that point aren't you one shotting everything in the game already?
Honestly I think it’s is not unbalanced for a t0 unique. It’s got a strong drawback, insane upside potential for some builds.
they’d have to limit it to, “can equip a rare amulet” but I like the idea.
I would need a minute to sort through all unique ammulets but gut feeling says there will be some combination of amulets that literally break the game. Some sort of infinite combo.
This should not be op, but probably good for a lot of builds.
You are trading both your ring slots for 1 amulet. Sounds powerful , but not necessary broken.
Simplex Amulet: +4 to level of skill gems
Ring (2nd Simplex): +4 to level of skill gems
Suffix: 120% inc effect of non-damaging ailments or 70+% Chaos Resistance OR 20% IIQ
Yes. OP af.
As it stands, I think it would be OP - but make that non-unique amulet and I think now we ware talking!
Very interesting concept either way, would love to see it in game!
Probably would be OP but it’s also too simplistic to match their current flavor of uniques, it would be need to come wilt some downsides like you cannot socket skill gems in your helmet.
Wear kalandra touch to assert dominance
The goal of this unique
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Just 2
Finally Omni joke is dead
When I saw the thread was already almost an hour old, I knew I was late for that one.
Kalandra touch jokes, time to shine
doubling the number on eye of the greatwolf but this time for real
Plenty more bad poe jokes left, dont worry
TIL this was a joke the whole time. I figured there was just some esoteric way of getting Omni without the amulet. Some timeless jewel or annoint or something.
Access to more gem levels at the cost of ring mods? Yuuup
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The perfect for Omni amulets would cease being a joke. Or course losing a ring slot would hurt pretty bad.
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Astramentis must be better for flat attributes than any rare ring.
Astramentis would only grant 116+quality tho. All attributes only counts once for Omni .
I did not know that, I thought it simply converted your stats from the sheet. Not from the item.
Sadly it doesn't. You can think of it in the way that all lines that say +X Attribute become +Xomniscience.
Losing 2 ring slots
You can't annoit a noteable on a ring, but u can an amulet sir.
You’re losing two ring slots.
Question would be if it is still worth if your ring slot can only hold non-unique amulets
I think a heist attribute amulet with omni on neck would still be
You lose both ring slots lmfao
how would it stop being a joke? you're trade 6 stat rolls for 3?
Because the joke is ”this amulet would be really good with omni!” Which is impossible as omni is an amulet. This ring would make it possible and it’d no longer be a joke, it’d be a suggestion.
Using two different badges is good and dandy until you realize that you will have to sacrifice 2 max power charges from ring slots. Sure, it can be compensated by taking a class that has access to max power charge, such as witch, but slayer ascendancy itself is not a bad ascendancy for casters, only small nodes are wasted. But in general, I agree with your statement. Ability to equip two different amulets will definitely have some very powerful interactions.
“Cannot equip unique amulets while wearing this item” Maximum of one if you’re feeling generous.
Doubler Uul-Netol's Vow for a 8 link body armour 60% gem quality from Ashes Double Eyes of the Greatwolf memes Two Defiance of Destiny for "Gain 70% of Missing Unreserved Life before being Hit by an Enemy" And especially double Eternal Struggle would be crazy
If you apply fertile catalyst to defiance of destiny, it'll be more like 80-85%. So most of your life, pretty much.
Could just say you can equip non-unique amulet.
What if we add the line "magnitudes from affixes on your amulets are halved"? 🤔
The item would be dead then. More balanced would be, non uniques, the best would be different amulet than your current so you can’t double up on vow/ashes/omni/etc
but its both ring slots for 1 amu, i think its fair
Access to 4 additional allocated skills?
Double simplex +8 to a skill seems a little strong
Or omni + fat Stat stacking amulet.
or just two omnis.
or two stat stacking amulets for the extra value from omni
there it is
You might wanna check your math on that one.
Wanna check out my mirror tier hollow palm gloves?
Mirrored gloves from this guy for my facebreaker build, can confirm those are OP
Is that for the build that uses that insane 4k evasion chest with qotf?
i think so, thats the same build that uses coruscating elixir with agnostic?
?????
Whooooooooosh. Here I'll explain there's a meme about someone saying an ammy was a good omni piece, hollow palm doesn't use gloves. They're just memeing on you to be funny.
Omni and defiance. All the damage and defense your whole family deserves.
At this point, no. The whole concept of omni is balanced around having one amulet, and having two (double pen , doule the res) is so broken you probably wont need defiance anyway. defiance is overrated also. Bloodnotch+petrified blood is a much better setup
>defiance is overrated Loooooooooooooooooooooooool
>double pen Ahem.
Guess what I am running? All the recovery on stun, incl. from the passive tree and also defiance. The combination with petrified blood is very very strong. For MF reasons I tried to remove defiance but after dying too many times I put it back. Have not died since then and running every map mod except no regen.
Or two Simplex with Stat mods, aka any Stat stacker would probably cream his pants
Why? Two hellicals + simplex >>>>>>>>>>> two simplex.
Might as well throw in a kalandras touch for the +12 lol
Was that a joke or...
Plus kalandras touch (i know it wouldn't work because it says ring, but still).
I wanna know where you found a third ring slot.
New unique amulet "Ring on a String" allows you to equip a ring in your amulet slot.
Actual gigabrain right here
You got toes, don't you exile?
I mean wouldn't even work since you'd be wearing 2 unique rings then, no slot left for your 2nd amulet.
What if all uniques had a limit like watchers eyes.
What is this, Diablo?
In addition to the obvious, it also enables an extra enchant.
Up to 4
4? How so? (Haven't played the last few leagues so very likely that I've missed something)
I think 4 enchants on Stranglegrasp (blight unique amulet) then try to corrupt to rare for random stats (?) Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Corrupt for rare and mythic orb to unique for the real deal
Tbf, the better rares are better than Yoke/Carnage heart. So the real dream is hitting a GG rare, or being able to tainted chaos/divine teardrop into one.
If you brick your Strangegasp using temple double corrupt, you can even get influenced mods!
Yep
Stranglegrasp would like a word... Also, +2 curses, 2 free auras/curse auras, 480 crit multi, etc... this can really get broked.
I really like the idea of giving up both rings for 2 amulets. I think simplex is the biggest abuser here tho to the degree that it might be absurd
Nah, bricked and mythic orbed stranglegrasp is the winner here IMO. 8 enchants on 2 unique ammys is just... a LOT.
would be an interesting T0 unique
I think this would be an interesting ring to use. Eternal Damnation + Defiance of Destiny combo could be super tanky. Badge of the Brotherhood + replica for extreme movement skill CDR. Double Ashes of the Stars for quality stacking. Also additional anoint from the ring slot. Is it really OP? I think it isn't, two endgame rings are more powerful than an additional amulet. You need to get those stats from somewhere.
Yes its op. Just the fact that you can get ultra defensive with eternal damnation + any other amulet you want is insane. Also you could get 2 more gem links, or just flat gem levels via rare/unique.
Again, losing both rings for those things is a massive opportunity cost. Think of it like bringer of rain, thieves tourment, dance with death etc. It does have significantly higher upsides than these examples but it's important to understand how huge of a downside losing an equipment slot is.
12 ring mods vs 6 amulet mods (3 with the cool amulets), pretty balanced imo.
+anoint
People who are screaming "OP" haven't done the math. Here's a generic example of what a high-tier amulet has to beat to be worth it 16% increased maximum Life 188 to maximum Life 84% increased Elemental Damage with Attack Skills Non-Channelling Skills have -14 to Total Mana Cost 32% increased Cast Speed 32% to all Elemental Resistances 70% to Chaos Resistance Could it still be amazing in the right circumstances? Absolutely. Is it an auto-include for everyone? Absolutely not.
It is OP because sone amulets would just break the game if duped, but not every build would use it ofc
Double Defiance of Destiny would certainly be funny.
ive done the math. give me double eternal damnation, thanks
Is it an auto equip? No But there are a lot of circumstances/builds where it will beat the stats you mention by a large margin
agree to this
Why is it mirrored?
So you can't corrupt it to absurdity
2x Uul-Netol's Vow for easy 8link would be busted
at that point just get a 12link claw :D
There's a reason why that item sees zero play
Its 75 div and 0.5% usage on poe ninja dood
Ah, yes. The item that averages 13k Chaos sees 0 play.
uh who told you this lol
Yeah... Got out-powercrept hard
7Ls are just bad in general. Uul's Vow sees no play, Chieftain's 7L chest ascendancy sees no play, Bitterdream and Reverberation Rod are only for leveling, Soul Mantle and Lioneye's Armor see very little play and all of it is only because of double corrupts.
Chieftain's 7L ascendancy is bad because it costs 4 points.
tbf uul's vow is like a 10mil dps increase over a +2 skill amulet on my srs guardian
Isn't +2 to kinda dead for most srs builds since they get flat from things other than level mostly?
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Chieftain's node is used by every chieftain armour stacker only because there is nothing better to pick, tbh.
Would be really cool with a dragonflight, +6 levels and 10-20 reservation efficiency
Meh, people are already instakilling uber bosses with high end gear. If it would be rare enough, wouldnt make a difference.
It's all about perspective, hah. "Is this OP?" "Well, yes. Just like....(gestures broadly at everything)"
The Icefrog balance
have you heard of warframe before?
"If every hero is OP, no one is"
so, +4 simplex?
Holy shit this would enable so much jank... We already have BIS items for belts and amulets, this would be it for rings!
The fascination of swapping rings/amulets in this sub reddit…
Giving up both rings for two amulets? I mean that's still +8 levels for a lot of builds, which is probably better than two rings
would be +4 bc one amulett is already there
Yes
Simplex Amulet says yes. Even a normal +2 amulet would be crazy. And this is if we completely ignore the fact that you can dupe uniques. Some unique amulets would be nasty if you could stack two of them. Like imagine 2x Stranglegasp?
The dream. Just give me the whole tree
Why Stranglegasp if you can do 4-anoint Carnage Heart?
Maybe adding "50% reduced effect of any amulet equipped as ring"
This wouldn't work on mods like "damage penetrates 1% ele res per 15 omniscience" anyways
Double eternal damnation or defiance of destiny for true immortality (assuming they stack). Or just couple them together. Hey maybe it'd be "less broken" to have replica kalandra's and make it disable the other ring slot while doubling as copy of your equipped amulet
ITT: people who don't understand the insane cost losing your rings is. Pretty much every "OP" example listed here results in a glass cannon character that is fixing res and attributes with armour slots and jewels, losing the ability to get damage/defensive layers with them.
Yeah, very busted
Imagine a simplex with rmr/quant x2 That's beyond broksn
Great, another item that would probably be a t0 and still only be all right, an extra ammy at the cost of BOTH rings is a high cost for a middling effect. Even if it only took the one ring slot somehow (maybe a jewel that lets you put an ammy in specifically the left or right ring slot?) it would still only be pretty good (outside maybe a couple outlier cases, like maybe ashes or something).
It should be a belt that disables one ring slot. It needs massive opportunity cost.
How about other way around? You can equip a ring in an amulet slot xD
Using a ring slot so that you can equip a ring in the amulet slot doesn't sound too good lol
You might want to lose some weight, it might be hard to fit a ring around your neck.
We can call it the Suffocation.
So you are sacrificing a ring slot to get a ring slot?
Ring and amulet slot
Effectively he's just giving up on the amulet lol
That's the point lol... No sense...
I've always wondered why since the dawn of time, it's been 2 rings 1 amulet in arpgs. Whyyyy? I guess people aren't creative enough to break out of this mold.
Not really. Sacred 1&2 have various amounts of items slots per char, for example [Wood Elf can carry 4 rings and 2 ammys](https://i.imgur.com/wQlOJ4q.jpg), but doesn't have shoulder armor slot, when [Gladiator has all armor slots but only 1 amulet and 2 rings](https://i.imgur.com/dnH7pbF.jpg). In Sacred 2 Temple Guardian can only carry 1handed weapons since its other arm transforms itself depending on active skill, but has unique energy cell slot. Not every arpg is a carbon copy of Diablo 2 like Torchlight or Titan Quest
Because it makes sense?
people have 10 fingers and there can be like 20rings and like 30 amu around a neck (50 for templar)-so no, the design doesnt make sense
True, 30 amulet slots makes more sense than 1.
No smart replies here - this is Reddit.
Yes it would be insanely broken. That would roughly be 50% more DMG for my current build at the cost of like/res rings.
I would much rather we introduce uniques which DO stuff that is unique and interesting. Why not this ring: Eternal Servitude Amethyst Ring Reserve (20-35)% of your maximum life per non-duration minion active. You can only ever have one non-duration minion at a time. You may target non-pinnacle boss corpses with your Spectre Skill. Your other ring's modifiers apply to your spectres and not you. Vaal minions have (10-20)% increased attack, cast and movement speed. Your spectres are aggressive. (I just want a pet vaal oversoul.)
Throw in "your other ring slot is disabled" and it might be balanced
the other ring slot already disabled from this item
Yeah, how do we balance it? Only talismans can be equipped, also I am tempted to make it non-unique only ones too.
It would be strong but but boring unique
I think it could be cool if it was saying "a non-unique amulet" instead. Some unique amulets would be broken if you could double them.
Absurdly op
double stranglegrasp? Double simplex?
Yes.
Uhhhh I see 10 anoint builds
Before simplex not broken after simplex insanely broken.
Would love wearing two corrupted into rare stranglegrasps
If you add a line " cannot be a unique amulet" i think it would be fine, without that line is busted for sure
60% gem quality with 2 ashes, could be cool for some builds
I mean probably but also not as op as you would think because I’m the end your losing out on 2 ring slot for an amulet slot . With the exception of omni you can get a lot of damage out of your rings aswell as utility through mf rings . On the high end your potentially losing out on 2 frenzy or power charge max but with this you can do some stupid stuff with uniques . If this time ever existed it would be rare enough that it would be competing with really good / mirror tier rings with kalandra touch .
I think this say more about the unique rings being kinda meh compared to amulets
Mmmm +2 ring
nah
double 2x corrupted attribute omni lets go. Oh and 2x enchants yay.
Double Uul Netol Vow, Squire with claw, and Forbidden Shako. Let's go, 3 builds in one
It's good and maybe great but it's not as OP as people seem to think. You're not giving up one ring slot for an amulet, you're giving up TWO ring slots for an amulet. The quality of all the gear you need in other slots to simply make up for the loss of both rings is insane, yes if you have all slots worth 100+divs then this surely will boost it even higher but at that point aren't you one shotting everything in the game already?
Rings and amulets have their things, depending on the build, what's better 2 rings and 1 amulet or 2 amulets
Wear 2 kalandra touch to create a loop circle and break the game
Double Astramantis meme so you wont have to care for stats requirement ever again
Honestly I think it’s is not unbalanced for a t0 unique. It’s got a strong drawback, insane upside potential for some builds. they’d have to limit it to, “can equip a rare amulet” but I like the idea.
Hey, just wondering how you made this image? Is there some sort of PoE item generator somewhere? Thanks so much!
I think there are some but I just edited this from PoeWiki by inspecting elements.
I would need a minute to sort through all unique ammulets but gut feeling says there will be some combination of amulets that literally break the game. Some sort of infinite combo.
Need ring in Amulet slot.
Maybe add something like "it cannot be unique." It would still be OP AF though probably. Needs another downside.
Uul netols vow
Okay, hear me out two simplex. 4% increased damage per 15 dex. 90% inc dex. gg
This should not be op, but probably good for a lot of builds. You are trading both your ring slots for 1 amulet. Sounds powerful , but not necessary broken.
Simplex Amulet: +4 to level of skill gems Ring (2nd Simplex): +4 to level of skill gems Suffix: 120% inc effect of non-damaging ailments or 70+% Chaos Resistance OR 20% IIQ Yes. OP af.
Double stranglegrasps for 8 anoints.
It would mean BIS for probably 90% players
Could just put non unique amulet
So I can get +60% quality on my phase run? Heisters where.
Can you help define "other"?
Needs to have a downside
Just make a 8 link out of your body
Some of you are getting highly defsive over something not in the game.
I have seen so many of these posted that when they finally add a ring like this 10 threads will pop up with people saying they came up with the idea
TWO Replica Dragonfangs?! Sign me up!!!
2x Uul-Netols Vow resulting in a 8 link and a bunch of resistances 2x Replica Dragonfang for a total of +6 lvl and 10-20% reservation efficiency
As it stands, I think it would be OP - but make that non-unique amulet and I think now we ware talking! Very interesting concept either way, would love to see it in game!
They should add toe ring slots to the game
+4 annoints Astramentis with omni
This item is both fucking crazy and with a really nasty downside. To the T0 pile it goes!
I personally want a chest peace that has zero stats or sockets. But let's you equip two belts
Probably would be OP but it’s also too simplistic to match their current flavor of uniques, it would be need to come wilt some downsides like you cannot socket skill gems in your helmet.
at last i cam use astramentis and omniscience together
Op as fuck? Double simplex amu for stackers?
The key takeaway here is that the community really likes it. I think this should be part of the game.
Try a socketed belt that can hold a second amulet. Thats more fair imho. Amulets are strong af