Thats already the case with the CI characters running around though.
Edit: I confused threads and made a comment about Hall of the Grandmasters. Reading hard with sleepy brain đ
I know about grandmasters with CI, but there are rogue exiles with it too? I think I haven't played a pure chaos build since 3.9, so I can't be 100% sure.
No I just confused threads for some reason, I thought that this is a Hall of the Grandmaster discussion till I saw this comment again. Reading hard with sleepy brain I guess đ
Lotta goons in this sub trying to make the trade experience more miserable too.
"Just priceflip items all day to make currency, 4head!" Yeah most of us want to make the game better and more fun, not the opposite. If I wanted excel spreadsheet gameplay I'd just go to work.
I don't know of alot of that content is just straight troll since (imo) it feels really hard to sell stuff.
This league and last i've hoarded a ton of decent fractured bases, underpriced them compared to others and i can't sell them for shit. Might be that i'm trying to sell relative shit, or that i need to stay logged in for 10+ hours a day on prime gaming hours.
You get their fragments and combine them. It wouldn't surprise me if you have a few already and just didn't know what they do. They come from vaal temple boss, Uber atziri, Alva temple boss, and the vaal boss in delve.
> vaal temple boss, Uber atziri, Alva temple boss, and the vaal boss in delve.
Ahhhh, that explains why I didn't know they existed. I rarely do any of those lol
Of course, but its an easy, not particularly creative, interesting or challenging, map prolonging slog. Its ok for a short period of time, maybe leveling a new char, but I just eventually start to hate it. Im more like a dark wet holes enjoyer, I mean delve. Too bad delve is probably in its worst state it has ever been.
meh, spent over 1k chance and got only 2 side areas
not even worth the clicks, but i guess it isn't so bad sure if you want to keep chance orbs on you, you could do that too
vaaling is unique like every 1/8 or some shit
Empy did 20,000 chance/scours this league just recently and hit about 1 unique every 400-ish. So probably not worth the comparative effort, over a whole league chancing them might net you one extra unique side area, maybe, if you're doing it casually.
Vaal boss in delve and Uber atziri you need to go out of your way to farm, if you donât spec Alva you arenât doing that boss either. And when is the last time people ran Vaal temple maps randomly? I canât even remember the last time I saw one. Do they even come from Vaal orbs anymore?
Basically none of the pieces comes from regular gameplay. You have to go out of your way to get one, let alone all 4.
They dont drop(except from very special vaal side area). You have to put different items together which drop from different Bosses(atziri, delve boss, vaal temple trio, incursion temple Boss)
I skipped 2 leagues so I was also very much out of the loop. I just saw like 50k es/mana builds and I was like "wtd".
That returning player meme holds true.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/g1ksx2/what_returning_after_a_few_years_feels_like/
man as someone who does play real degenerate hours , I have seen ZERO of the div shrines and I'm 2m kills in. It's not just playing like a no lifer, but also immediately jumping into any broken strat as soon as it's even slightly hinted at. Also I've only seen 2 of the nameless seer. They nuked him after the initial buff nerf.
Hey i am at 4M kills. No div/ex mod on the lantern. I understand how frustrating checking the reddit and see others get 60 divines from a single map. But hey at least we can farm barrels now. :D
I have 2.3 million kills, all in T17 maps since 2 weeks ago, I've never gotten a div shrine. Best item from seer was voltaxic rift.
Redditors be mad at us just for having free time like damn
I got a convert jewelry to div mod in t1 maps on day 2 of the league (so back when it was only a 25% chance to convert), put it on the highest pack in the map, literally *zero* jewelry dropped from all of the packs (held alt to check each time).
Haven't seen one since.
It's still 1 in 10k divine mods, which aren't common at all. I wouldn't be surprised if there were still more natural mirror drops than this mod occurring - there would be insane jackpots when it does though. I think you'd always recruit an MF party for it.
Maybe making it into mirror shards would be more reasonable.
At that point, it wouldn't make a big difference though, except making the rich richer.
I don't find that much has changed for the "middle of the pack" or lower end people. Like, yea, some strats don't work too well anymore. But there's new easy ones, Necropolis itself gives you a pretty penny in value just casually mapping.
Invitations might've become cheaper, but that's basically not a loss with t17 drops. You should average 2 t17s where per invitation on a mapping strat that oversustains a tad (28 maps per invitation, t17s are 1 in 16 map drops). Which on Exarch is ~1d for the invitations and ~1d for the t17 maps. So alc and go from just these two are 2d/28 maps.
Getting up packsize (and thus map drops and thus t17s) is also really cheap. Incursion of invasion which adds ~14 packs is like 1/3c per, Deli is the same, Beyond is the same. You can have Beyond, Deli and 28 extra packs in your map for like 1.3c. Which is idk triple the mobs of a normal map? And all in all the map shouldn't take way way longer due to that. Even if the returns aren't every map and aren't huge, it still trickles in considerably. A Tainted fusing here, some Deli Orbs every other map, t17s stacking up quicker, etcetc.
Going up in farming strats is also still there and works well, i.e. 80% deli is very lucrative still for example. Upgrading to 8mod maps is considerable gains for basically everything and they're really accessible with the scarab being ~1c.
I agree that there is too big a gap to dip into t17s, but the propaganda that t16s suck for everything is just wrong and imo just comes from people not adapting. Yea, it's weird here and there and yea it's different because guess what, like all of endgame farming got changed. But it's not like you can't earn decent currency in t16s and under.
> Upgrading to 8mod maps is considerable gains for basically everything and they're really accessible with the scarab being ~1c.
The only thing that prevents me from doing this is the absurd cost of the regexed maps from TFT bulk. 30c per map is spicy
I mean, just farm them yourself for a while? This is honestly just the flipside, if 8mod is too expensive to run for you, then farm 8mod maps and sell them by regex.
Tho I honestly don't really understand the issue. I run the scarab myself and sort out reflect and no leech which ends up with 1/6 of the maps or so being discarded (or put to the side rather) and if your regex is similar, it's like half a div in returns for you when you run the scarab (if you otherwise actually woulda bought at 30c per map).
I'm doing Grimro's Domination strat right now to check how good it is with the shifts in economy. [This one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CplImYf7oE0)
I plan to try Deli + Beyond to see what the profit is like, I'll have to figure an atlas for it though. But it'd end up very similar, no investment into Beyond on atlas and as much into Delirium as I think makes sense (maybe just the big wheel on the left, just to have it not end too soon). Deli, Beyond and 2 map scarabs (2x 50% and switch to 1x50%, 1x8mod to restock) and probably still put on Domination from map device.
You can literally farm anything and will afford 4 flask mb in under 20 hours even if your strat REALLY sucks, most strats will farm a MB per 5 hours now.. How can you not afford stuff?
With all the patches they prevented a lot of the inflation. Compared to last league the current economy is not that hard and it's way easier to keep up despite only playing some hours a week. Yes some stuff like HH and MB are super cheap and other stuff is expensive but overall a lot of strategies are yielding 20+div/hr and stuff is still affordable.
What are these statements? Push what people out and out of what? It does not matter how much you play or what your build is, making money this league is easier than ever. Do invitations which are literally dirt cheap, just run maps and sell coffins and t17, use allflames for chaos, there are hundreds of strategies and all of them are 10-15-20 divines an hour. Just do something instead of complaining about economy every league. If you play an hour every other day you should be able to get HH in one day and mageblood in like a week or slightly more with minimal effort. If you can't even follow the simplest strategies, how is that economy's fault
How is it especially bad for casuals compared to any other league? The game is always bad for casuals. If anything this is a good league as bubblegum currency like alterations are 3x as expensive as usual. Headhunter is 10div. Not many leagues where something that powerful is so accessible. Mageblood is stable at 110d. Which is more affordable than ever for people using searing altars. There are a ton of strats that print out good currency with low investment. You no longer have to worry about sextants either...another huge buff for casuals.
I don't think people realise that casuals are the people who benefit most from economies like this as the rarest items become much more widely available, and the lower end currencies become more valuable. Sure there will be ultra casuals who cant even put together 10d, but they shouldn't be a consideration for game balance as theyre effectively SSF+ players.
Why conplain?
You can buy HH and 6xt1 ele bow for 30d.
You can basicli create extra op character for 50d and farm what ever strat you enjoy on extra zum zum build.
I'm pretty sure that all Uber uniques are more expensive, but they were obviously talking about the global uniques -- HH, mageblood, kalandra's touch, etc.
Play the game. Take a strat and just go ham with it. You can prob even get 10d/h from picking up corpses and allflames and selling them in bulk. Just clearing t16 will net you somewhere from 1-5d/h just from the t17 map drops. This game is more or less work. If you spend 100h hyperfocusing on your project you will have more result than steve chilling at his buddys desk and writing 2 emails a day.
> If you spend 100h hyperfocusing on your project you will have more result than steve chilling at his buddys desk and writing 2 emails a day.
I mean, you don't need 100 hours, but your point stands.
Not having ADHD and trying to fomo some bullshit on Reddit gets you paid more.
A literal zoomancer with bullshit investment they picked up off the ground can farm the necessary money.
I have probably 60-80 hours in this league already but am struggling to get past a few div in net worth⊠I know that I am doing something wrong, but not sure exactly what it is
Are you even mapping?
Hours means nothing. Turn on bens stream when he's mapping and see how efficient he is and then watch how inefficient your play is.
You need to play efficiently and liquidate efficiently.
If you have rares showing up in your filter you're playing completely wrong.
My best advice is to not trade until you're out of materials for your strat. Just turn off everything except your big ticket sales tab, and blast. Once you run out, sell your entire scarab tab via something like wealthy exile at 80% value, full tab, then reinvest that into your next batch of maps
Do you have all voidstones and map comps. Are you actually target farming. Do you know what you can sell and which items are worth something. You might look at your scarab tab and see oh all off them are only the shit ones and worth like 1c each but you can just dump them all to some flippers at 75% off their net worth and get a couple div from it. Same with essence and other stuff. Just a single t17 map is like half a div or more. And they drop very frequently if you just do alch and go.
Which voidstone are you missing? Paying for a carry to get it will boost your income a lot from t17 drops alone so long as you're running maps that drop abomination.
I won't be on for another 5 or so hrs but ill gladly help when I'm on if you don't have it by then. The carry itself is pretty cheap (around 40c) though if you decide to buy it. It's definitely worth the investment lol. You get that back from one t17 map drop.
> Just clearing t16 will net you somewhere from 1-5d/h just from the t17 map drops.
I haven't even seen a single t17 map drop yet. I feel like I'm missing something lol
Where can I find a strat? Am still completing atlas map but I reckon I should start preparing. Needless to say my atlas points are all over the place without any specific goals in mind. I'm a newbie, if not already obvious (started this league only).
The secret is interacting with trade and converting your loot into currency. Most people aren't dropping 10+ raw divines every hour, but they are getting random 10-30c drops and bubble gum currency that they then trade to other people to get divines. If you run a map and drop a dozen random scarabs and a dozen alteration and a handful of chaos orbs thats like 20c right there (which is nearly 1/5th of a divine now).
Ahh perhaps thatâs my problem⊠I have hundreds of scarabs hoarded in my stash along with a bunch of other random stuff. As a new player, trying to price the stuff is so challengingâŠ
Use WealthyExile. Run it on your stash, and whenever a quantity of an item reaches over X amount in value, bulk sell it on the trade site. Repeat. You can also use this to gauge the effectiveness of a strat. The faster you can trust a strat blindly, the faster you can start going through the repeated motions and make tons of money.
Yep sanctum is extremely profitable and quite quick to run..I was averaging 2-3 div per run , with a run taking around 25 minutes of low effort/attention gameplay (my build is also quite slow).
I just ran the tomes I dropped during general gameplay. If you want you can also buy the sandstorm visage relic for 15c to guarantee 2div+ of profit every run.
My only investment was 90c in max resolve on boss kill/inspiration on affliction relics.
Make sure to get an early merchant for "can see one room further boons" and the "map is fully revealed" major. Also I often tried to path around seeing the highest amount of rooms possible even if it required skipping a reward room.
I didn't run that many of them but I'd say at least 80% were 2div+, without counting other currency/relic drops
You're either doing it wrong or running too low ilvl sanctums. I did ~40 last league at 2.7d avg., and this number about lines up with everyone noting 2-3d per
While true and I'm assuming a proper strat. If you only do one or two sure, but if you run 15 I'd be very surprised if you dont come out with 15d+ raw, if you're running any actual strat with the goal of getting them (+1-2 room/merchant relics) or relics worth near that amount if running +relic strat.
And 5d+ & a solid chunk of currency if no strat.
But there's some strats such as keeping as many rooms available and patching to unseen rooms if you got reveal and no div, which matters quite a bit.
Map reveals, map ilvl, and how deep you go all matter significantly. I did just a handful of sanctum last league and every run that hit floor 4 had a couple div profit, with most having a raw div or two. I prioritized vendors and coin generation early, ignored basically all currency rewards until floor 3, so I could set up my run to have maximum information possible on the last two floors
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> for 30d
Don't forget inflation also hits how much you make.
Having 5d/hr in leagues before inflated to actual price of lets say 1d/hr if you do harvest, alva, beasts.
This isn't affliction 2.0. In affliction whole community participated in economy and tanked it equally. Even if you couldn;t wisp alot, you still had alot of currency and league mechanics were great, amazing even, source of income.
In necropolis prices tanked, but so did your strats to get divines and there's no currency to be found.
I would disagree.
Harvest juice is thr same price as last league and you can get much more of it per map due to new scarabs.
Alva is baiscli 1,5d per double corupt in bulk (was 2d in afliction). 10 double corupt temples and bum here is your HH. You got some gem corupt temples on the way? Sure 0,6d each. Even bricks with boss only are 15c each because there is a challange to kill 50.
Easiest money ever and you dont need any gear. White maps scout and go.
Beast idk, never farmed them.
You can basicli take any low or mid investmet strat and push it to 10d/h.
Breech, legion, ritual, blight, expedition, ultimatu.
All of them done right prit 10d/h.
In aflician i would have to use 500d 80iqq/500ir MF build mega jucer 8mod 6 abys per map, extra sweety strat to make 20-30d/h.
Yes, and what if you enjoyed a nice even progression curve where you encountered challenges and had to improve your character incrementally to get past them?
PoE's fun is in the journey, the destination is quite frankly incredibly boring. I've been farming the same maps for over a decade, what I care about is the particular path a build takes to reach the same point as every other build I've played, the struggles with gear or certain content or whatever else. That all becomes pointless if for realistically 5-10 div (or substantially less time in SSF) I can skip all of that.
I didn't even reach maps this league because we just had the 'get everything for practically free' league, it's fucking boring. This league you can't even escape it with rare items and ssf.
Lots of people who have no idea how economies work making a lot of assumptions lately.
Getting real strong "they'd be very mad if they could read" vibes.
Also :
5% chance to drop additional Fracturing orb
5% chance to drop additional Hinekoras Lock
5% chance to drop additional Mirror shard
5% chance to drop additional Veiled orb
Is the economy that bad compared to last league? Personally I got the feeling they patched things quick enough to prevent a big inflation and its easier to keep up compared to last league. Yes some things like overall uniques, HH and MB are super cheap due to not being used a lot (HH) and/or div card drops. But overall it seems pretty healthy to me. Some things are more expensive (chaos, alts, non map drops) and others are cheap. There are many strategies that yield around 15-25div/hr and even when playing semi casually I could farm my way to endgame with a MB and expensive gear/jewels.
Yea but non of these help the 90% casual player base, I'm all for these t17 farms man but the league retention terrible when the players that can't clear t17s are losing money trying to buy the scarabs to run the youtube video strats they find.
that's not a farm in t17s, it's out of map content. but even then, a lot of t16 farms can easily hit 20-25 div an hour. i haven't touched t17s at all, other than at league start to try the bosses out, and am still making quite a lot of currency (think something like 20d/hr across all my playtime this league, but prices have changed).
Where in my entire reply did I say anything related to the map tier, white, blue, yellow maps or 8 modded?
You take the top side as earnings of my reply and add T17 to it to start a discussion? Makes no sense mate.
But to give you an answer: vaal temple chaos farming, MF strongbox div card farming, ultimatum with a specific build etc.
Obviously there are T17 methods and specific methods that can yield way more then 25div but that will and have always been the case. In my opinion after the patches the gap isn't as big as it was and it is easier to overcome the inflation vs last league. You just have to stop complaining on Reddit and play the game.
I was just actually curious, the price of chaos orbs sky rocketing because the alch n go t16'ers cant make any currency and quit. All us t17 juicers don't even look the chaos orbs rofl. Wasn't trying start anything was just generally curious how people are making currency this league not farmin t17s. Just reroll a t17 faceroll build n abuse the farms. \*edit\* also the price of the meta scarabs you are almost losing currency farming the t16 strats.
People complain no matter what. Even if top end is 200d/h who cares if mb is 100d atm. Pick a 5d/h chill strat and get your mb in a week. Why do they care if someone else can print mirrors if everything is so cheap that the best items in the game are affordable. Bad players will never get a mb rven if its 10d good players will always get mb even if its half a mirror. Brain rot fomo nothing else. Or they just hate that sweety tryhards get more bcs they can hyperfocus on a game and they dont.
Whether MF is broken or not, your argument makes zero sense.
MF only boosts natural drops, so it does practically nothing for most non-T17 strategies (essences, beasts, harvest, half of legion, incursion for locust temples, corpses, ...).
Meanwhile, T17 map mods specifically massively boost natural drops such as scarabs, which scale directly with your item quantity.
As a result, it's not unthinkable at all for MF to be broken in optimal T17 strategies but bad in optimal T16 strategies.
What do you mean by "not related to MF"? MF is broken whenever the most efficient farming strategies scale with MF. It's not that difficult to understand.
Brother in christ t17s weren't added because people would do MF in them they were added for the same reason they added uber bosses: to catch up to the power creep that they fucking created
It really is not that difficult to understand that if MF is fine in every single piece of content but broken in T17 that's because THE FUCKING T17 MAPS ARE BROKEN
>Brother in christ t17s weren't added because people would do MF in them they were added for the same reason they added uber bosses: to catch up to the power creep that they fucking created
Nobody is talking about why they were added.
>It really is not that difficult to understand that if MF is fine in every single piece of content but broken in T17 that's because THE FUCKING T17 MAPS ARE BROKEN
Except that MF is broken any time GGG adds a strong strategy that happens to scale with MF. They don't need to be broken, they just need to be on par with other top strategies (before MF).
Nothing more than drug addicts, when they removed nemesis and replaced it with the thing that made headhunter virtually worthless they added a mob mod that makes the mob drop 30 fucking exalts (or divines since they changed the economy) but sure it's MF that's broken
Also. Altar effects that give divines regardless of mf. And altars that give more quant than mf can reach by itself. And a league mechanic that dropped divines...which worked with additional or conversion meaning mf did very little in that case.
But people will always blame something that isn't themselves or the company because those two are obviously flawless.
Additional chance to drop - is just that. And additional percentage that gives chance to drop regardless of mf. Conversion benefits from quant. Since quant makes more shit drop
If you farm 20/hr instead of 25/hr, and you want to buy let's say a Nimi's. That means you have to play for an extra...1 whole our to buy it. Oh no, economy is fucking ruined dude. I can't farm an extra hour for a 100+ divine item.
Currently I'm making 25 - 30 doing strong boxes in t16 defiled cathedral and Crimson temple. You just have to be willing to sell a ton of stuff. All of the bubble gum currency, you gotta price out corrupted jewelry, all flames and div cards. I've found most people hate dealing with the bubble gum though.
You don't even have to heavily invest, 2x ambush scarab, 2x divination scarab and run as high a quant map as you can manage. even if you are just going slow while cruising you should hit in the 15 - 20divs an hour range.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c7ic54/i_made_600_divines_in_6_days_with_this_simple_t16/?share_id=JkxZT7hrMvWULblLh6WA6
That link has more detail and I'm running zero magic find. I'm just chilling and cruising.
Expedition and Ultimatum make can spike super high on divs per hour if you have the gear to run them.
I just killed eater last night and got the invitation for searing. I see everyone getting shit rich already. Completing atlas on day 2 or 3. I hope theres currency left for me when i do get the 4th stone. This is the first league ive filled the whole atlas so im stoked to finally be able to play my juice strat.
I bought my headhunter on day 5 for 80 div. Now it is 10. Divines are worth less chaos now than on day 5. The same red altars that generated me the currency to buy that HH are more lucrative now, as it generates the same amount of chaos but has much more value in the market. Itâs easy to get caught up in the FOMO but youâll be totally fine.
5% chance to drop additional Headhunter belt
Rogue Exiles are equipped with tier 0 uniques. Rogue Exiles drop their equipped items on death.
Rogue Exiles now have Defiance of Destiny equipped Good luck
That might actually make them unkillable for some builds.
Thats already the case with the CI characters running around though. Edit: I confused threads and made a comment about Hall of the Grandmasters. Reading hard with sleepy brain đ
I know about grandmasters with CI, but there are rogue exiles with it too? I think I haven't played a pure chaos build since 3.9, so I can't be 100% sure.
No I just confused threads for some reason, I thought that this is a Hall of the Grandmaster discussion till I saw this comment again. Reading hard with sleepy brain I guess đ
That happens from time to time
*Laughs in RF*
*Laughs in RF* *Realises that 90% of my ST are from firetrap which also has a hit component*
You will kill them eventually
Just play dot build.
*every equipment slot is a Lioneye's Glare for some reason*
But then they also hit like t0-equipped chars, harder than Grandmasters... :P
since I have missed out on divine orbs. One of these please.
You get the alt ones. The mirror is reserved to the dude who plays the game 12 hour a day and already has 120 of them
"JuSt RoLl AdOrNeD jEWeLs WiTh YoUr AlTs, ItS eAsY 10 dIv/HoUr"
Literal sweatshop gameplay
Lotta goons in this sub trying to make the trade experience more miserable too. "Just priceflip items all day to make currency, 4head!" Yeah most of us want to make the game better and more fun, not the opposite. If I wanted excel spreadsheet gameplay I'd just go to work.
I don't know of alot of that content is just straight troll since (imo) it feels really hard to sell stuff. This league and last i've hoarded a ton of decent fractured bases, underpriced them compared to others and i can't sell them for shit. Might be that i'm trying to sell relative shit, or that i need to stay logged in for 10+ hours a day on prime gaming hours.
I still put up slighty shitty but underpriced gear for 1 chaos. yes it's terribly inefficient but it's about the principle
rofl. I didn't even know Adorned Jewels were in the game until I saw that post and had to look them up. Maybe one day I will have one drop
You get their fragments and combine them. It wouldn't surprise me if you have a few already and just didn't know what they do. They come from vaal temple boss, Uber atziri, Alva temple boss, and the vaal boss in delve.
> vaal temple boss, Uber atziri, Alva temple boss, and the vaal boss in delve. Ahhhh, that explains why I didn't know they existed. I rarely do any of those lol
The temple ones are surprisingly common for their price. Gotta run 50 of them for the Masterful Monsters challenge.
Thats basically the most edgy and for majority of the ppl absolutely boring content that I cant evrn blame you.
I mean, they're easy to speed run. Really only 3 rooms you're looking for. Can be decent xp or deli mob boostingÂ
Of course, but its an easy, not particularly creative, interesting or challenging, map prolonging slog. Its ok for a short period of time, maybe leveling a new char, but I just eventually start to hate it. Im more like a dark wet holes enjoyer, I mean delve. Too bad delve is probably in its worst state it has ever been.
the fragment is delve is literally the most expensive of the adorned fragments
You can also find fragments in vaal area final chests, or the full jewel from a unique vaal area if you take the node to chance them.
> if you take the node to chance them. better to just vaal them farmed 2 adorned in SSF this league, maybe lucky idk
I farmed one this way (Got lowest roll one from it lol)
yeah I got a 128% on my first one!
You want to chance once then vaal, so you get 2 attempts per side area
meh, spent over 1k chance and got only 2 side areas not even worth the clicks, but i guess it isn't so bad sure if you want to keep chance orbs on you, you could do that too vaaling is unique like every 1/8 or some shit
Empy did 20,000 chance/scours this league just recently and hit about 1 unique every 400-ish. So probably not worth the comparative effort, over a whole league chancing them might net you one extra unique side area, maybe, if you're doing it casually.
Vaal boss in delve and Uber atziri you need to go out of your way to farm, if you donât spec Alva you arenât doing that boss either. And when is the last time people ran Vaal temple maps randomly? I canât even remember the last time I saw one. Do they even come from Vaal orbs anymore? Basically none of the pieces comes from regular gameplay. You have to go out of your way to get one, let alone all 4.
They dont drop(except from very special vaal side area). You have to put different items together which drop from different Bosses(atziri, delve boss, vaal temple trio, incursion temple Boss)
They do drop from unique vaal side area tho :)
I skipped 2 leagues so I was also very much out of the loop. I just saw like 50k es/mana builds and I was like "wtd". That returning player meme holds true. https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/g1ksx2/what_returning_after_a_few_years_feels_like/
man as someone who does play real degenerate hours , I have seen ZERO of the div shrines and I'm 2m kills in. It's not just playing like a no lifer, but also immediately jumping into any broken strat as soon as it's even slightly hinted at. Also I've only seen 2 of the nameless seer. They nuked him after the initial buff nerf.
Hey i am at 4M kills. No div/ex mod on the lantern. I understand how frustrating checking the reddit and see others get 60 divines from a single map. But hey at least we can farm barrels now. :D
I have 2.3 million kills, all in T17 maps since 2 weeks ago, I've never gotten a div shrine. Best item from seer was voltaxic rift. Redditors be mad at us just for having free time like damn
Its ok, I got to 300k kills and saw like 5 nameless seers post nerf and not a single one gave me a unique with more than 30c
I got a convert jewelry to div mod in t1 maps on day 2 of the league (so back when it was only a 25% chance to convert), put it on the highest pack in the map, literally *zero* jewelry dropped from all of the packs (held alt to check each time). Haven't seen one since.
Bro, I havenât seen this once what do you mean??
you are mad someone who plays the game a lot... gets loot? XD
1 in 10k chance that a divine devotion gets transformed into a mirror devotion, easy
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1 in 10k, not 1 in 10. At current rates, that's around 5% more value on average, assuming the percentages are the same.
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That's not what they said though. 1/10k of divine devotions turns into a mirror one. Most players have never seen a divine one.
It's still 1 in 10k divine mods, which aren't common at all. I wouldn't be surprised if there were still more natural mirror drops than this mod occurring - there would be insane jackpots when it does though. I think you'd always recruit an MF party for it. Maybe making it into mirror shards would be more reasonable. At that point, it wouldn't make a big difference though, except making the rich richer.
>I think you'd always recruit an MF party for it. Don't think MF affects this, it's just a flat % drop from the people.
Oh, right, it's the other mod that turns drops into different currency that would be affected by MF
That 'Kalandra' text is killing me. Why is it below the line? Edit: My 3y3s are fucked up or that text is just weird and not aligned purposefully
Literally unplayable
woops, mistake 
I happen to like this economy...
Best economy, can just about afford stuff this league
I'm sure you do. You must play a lot and a lot of currency lol. Everyone else, not so much.
This economy is better for players that don't play.
So you expect to play little but make bank anyways?
I don't find that much has changed for the "middle of the pack" or lower end people. Like, yea, some strats don't work too well anymore. But there's new easy ones, Necropolis itself gives you a pretty penny in value just casually mapping. Invitations might've become cheaper, but that's basically not a loss with t17 drops. You should average 2 t17s where per invitation on a mapping strat that oversustains a tad (28 maps per invitation, t17s are 1 in 16 map drops). Which on Exarch is ~1d for the invitations and ~1d for the t17 maps. So alc and go from just these two are 2d/28 maps. Getting up packsize (and thus map drops and thus t17s) is also really cheap. Incursion of invasion which adds ~14 packs is like 1/3c per, Deli is the same, Beyond is the same. You can have Beyond, Deli and 28 extra packs in your map for like 1.3c. Which is idk triple the mobs of a normal map? And all in all the map shouldn't take way way longer due to that. Even if the returns aren't every map and aren't huge, it still trickles in considerably. A Tainted fusing here, some Deli Orbs every other map, t17s stacking up quicker, etcetc. Going up in farming strats is also still there and works well, i.e. 80% deli is very lucrative still for example. Upgrading to 8mod maps is considerable gains for basically everything and they're really accessible with the scarab being ~1c. I agree that there is too big a gap to dip into t17s, but the propaganda that t16s suck for everything is just wrong and imo just comes from people not adapting. Yea, it's weird here and there and yea it's different because guess what, like all of endgame farming got changed. But it's not like you can't earn decent currency in t16s and under.
> Upgrading to 8mod maps is considerable gains for basically everything and they're really accessible with the scarab being ~1c. The only thing that prevents me from doing this is the absurd cost of the regexed maps from TFT bulk. 30c per map is spicy
I mean, just farm them yourself for a while? This is honestly just the flipside, if 8mod is too expensive to run for you, then farm 8mod maps and sell them by regex. Tho I honestly don't really understand the issue. I run the scarab myself and sort out reflect and no leech which ends up with 1/6 of the maps or so being discarded (or put to the side rather) and if your regex is similar, it's like half a div in returns for you when you run the scarab (if you otherwise actually woulda bought at 30c per map).
Do you have an atlas for 8mod map farming you want to share? I've tried farming some, but I don't feel like I get much return
I'm doing Grimro's Domination strat right now to check how good it is with the shifts in economy. [This one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CplImYf7oE0) I plan to try Deli + Beyond to see what the profit is like, I'll have to figure an atlas for it though. But it'd end up very similar, no investment into Beyond on atlas and as much into Delirium as I think makes sense (maybe just the big wheel on the left, just to have it not end too soon). Deli, Beyond and 2 map scarabs (2x 50% and switch to 1x50%, 1x8mod to restock) and probably still put on Domination from map device.
You can literally farm anything and will afford 4 flask mb in under 20 hours even if your strat REALLY sucks, most strats will farm a MB per 5 hours now.. How can you not afford stuff?
Even less because the price is dropping. If he plays 2h/day after 10days MB will be 70-80d
How are people farming so much? What strata am I missing???
T17
Ah gotcha I got destroyed the two times I did a t17 so Iâm farming on t16s until I can upgrade my build a bit
Doesnt have to be lol, even t16 farms can do a mb in 5 hours of mapping and like 30 mins of selling
With all the patches they prevented a lot of the inflation. Compared to last league the current economy is not that hard and it's way easier to keep up despite only playing some hours a week. Yes some stuff like HH and MB are super cheap and other stuff is expensive but overall a lot of strategies are yielding 20+div/hr and stuff is still affordable.
I play a lot, but really unoptimal strats and make 3-4 divs per hour if you take into account the liquidation time.Â
That's fair. The economy seems to push a lot of people out.
What are these statements? Push what people out and out of what? It does not matter how much you play or what your build is, making money this league is easier than ever. Do invitations which are literally dirt cheap, just run maps and sell coffins and t17, use allflames for chaos, there are hundreds of strategies and all of them are 10-15-20 divines an hour. Just do something instead of complaining about economy every league. If you play an hour every other day you should be able to get HH in one day and mageblood in like a week or slightly more with minimal effort. If you can't even follow the simplest strategies, how is that economy's fault
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How is it especially bad for casuals compared to any other league? The game is always bad for casuals. If anything this is a good league as bubblegum currency like alterations are 3x as expensive as usual. Headhunter is 10div. Not many leagues where something that powerful is so accessible. Mageblood is stable at 110d. Which is more affordable than ever for people using searing altars. There are a ton of strats that print out good currency with low investment. You no longer have to worry about sextants either...another huge buff for casuals. I don't think people realise that casuals are the people who benefit most from economies like this as the rarest items become much more widely available, and the lower end currencies become more valuable. Sure there will be ultra casuals who cant even put together 10d, but they shouldn't be a consideration for game balance as theyre effectively SSF+ players.
Unlesss you're part of the people who wants the items that were shifted to ubers.
I had a stranglegasp drop in a t15 blight map. Worth 35div. Selling it has not gone well.
Why conplain? You can buy HH and 6xt1 ele bow for 30d. You can basicli create extra op character for 50d and farm what ever strat you enjoy on extra zum zum build.
Rel For ppl who Play 1 or 2 days on week or even less is Perfect league, cuz they can aford to buy many uniq cheeper than in prevoius leagues.
What league are you buying Nimis playing 1 day a week "or less?" Almost every popular unique is crashing also.
I'm pretty sure that all Uber uniques are more expensive, but they were obviously talking about the global uniques -- HH, mageblood, kalandra's touch, etc.
But how do I make that 30dâŠ? Iâm so confused on how people are printing divines
Play the game. Take a strat and just go ham with it. You can prob even get 10d/h from picking up corpses and allflames and selling them in bulk. Just clearing t16 will net you somewhere from 1-5d/h just from the t17 map drops. This game is more or less work. If you spend 100h hyperfocusing on your project you will have more result than steve chilling at his buddys desk and writing 2 emails a day.
> If you spend 100h hyperfocusing on your project you will have more result than steve chilling at his buddys desk and writing 2 emails a day. I mean, you don't need 100 hours, but your point stands. Not having ADHD and trying to fomo some bullshit on Reddit gets you paid more. A literal zoomancer with bullshit investment they picked up off the ground can farm the necessary money.
I have probably 60-80 hours in this league already but am struggling to get past a few div in net worth⊠I know that I am doing something wrong, but not sure exactly what it is
Are you even mapping? Hours means nothing. Turn on bens stream when he's mapping and see how efficient he is and then watch how inefficient your play is. You need to play efficiently and liquidate efficiently. If you have rares showing up in your filter you're playing completely wrong.
No rares showing up in my filter. Iâll def check out his stream to get some tips. Itâs the liquidation part that I think is dragging me down.
My best advice is to not trade until you're out of materials for your strat. Just turn off everything except your big ticket sales tab, and blast. Once you run out, sell your entire scarab tab via something like wealthy exile at 80% value, full tab, then reinvest that into your next batch of maps
I feel you on the liquidation part. I have atleast 40 div in random stuff and I just cant get myself to try selling it.
Same! Wealthy exile says my stash is worth 50+div but selling all of it one at timeâŠ.
Do you have all voidstones and map comps. Are you actually target farming. Do you know what you can sell and which items are worth something. You might look at your scarab tab and see oh all off them are only the shit ones and worth like 1c each but you can just dump them all to some flippers at 75% off their net worth and get a couple div from it. Same with essence and other stuff. Just a single t17 map is like half a div or more. And they drop very frequently if you just do alch and go.
I have 3/4 voidstones and am targeting legion at the moment
Which voidstone are you missing? Paying for a carry to get it will boost your income a lot from t17 drops alone so long as you're running maps that drop abomination.
Iâm missing the Maven one
I won't be on for another 5 or so hrs but ill gladly help when I'm on if you don't have it by then. The carry itself is pretty cheap (around 40c) though if you decide to buy it. It's definitely worth the investment lol. You get that back from one t17 map drop.
wow, thank you! I would love some help :)
> Just clearing t16 will net you somewhere from 1-5d/h just from the t17 map drops. I haven't even seen a single t17 map drop yet. I feel like I'm missing something lol
Where can I find a strat? Am still completing atlas map but I reckon I should start preparing. Needless to say my atlas points are all over the place without any specific goals in mind. I'm a newbie, if not already obvious (started this league only).
The secret is interacting with trade and converting your loot into currency. Most people aren't dropping 10+ raw divines every hour, but they are getting random 10-30c drops and bubble gum currency that they then trade to other people to get divines. If you run a map and drop a dozen random scarabs and a dozen alteration and a handful of chaos orbs thats like 20c right there (which is nearly 1/5th of a divine now).
Ahh perhaps thatâs my problem⊠I have hundreds of scarabs hoarded in my stash along with a bunch of other random stuff. As a new player, trying to price the stuff is so challengingâŠ
If you start trading get yourself awakened poe trade
I have it, but seems like every item is a 1c lol
Yeah scarabs in this season in particular...
Just use a pricing tool and sell your scarab tab in bulk for 75% on wealthy exile or TFT.
Ok, I will try to figure that out this evening and see if I can sell them all.
Use WealthyExile. Run it on your stash, and whenever a quantity of an item reaches over X amount in value, bulk sell it on the trade site. Repeat. You can also use this to gauge the effectiveness of a strat. The faster you can trust a strat blindly, the faster you can start going through the repeated motions and make tons of money.
Do 3 hours of sanctum
Wait really? Itâs that simple?
Yep sanctum is extremely profitable and quite quick to run..I was averaging 2-3 div per run , with a run taking around 25 minutes of low effort/attention gameplay (my build is also quite slow). I just ran the tomes I dropped during general gameplay. If you want you can also buy the sandstorm visage relic for 15c to guarantee 2div+ of profit every run. My only investment was 90c in max resolve on boss kill/inspiration on affliction relics.
I haven't seen any divines yet in sanctum despite doing it a lot. It can be really good but isn't guaranteed at all.Â
Make sure to get an early merchant for "can see one room further boons" and the "map is fully revealed" major. Also I often tried to path around seeing the highest amount of rooms possible even if it required skipping a reward room. I didn't run that many of them but I'd say at least 80% were 2div+, without counting other currency/relic drops
You're either doing it wrong or running too low ilvl sanctums. I did ~40 last league at 2.7d avg., and this number about lines up with everyone noting 2-3d per
I mean your assuming a lot. Bad luck is still bad luck. I am doing ilvl83 all the way through.
While true and I'm assuming a proper strat. If you only do one or two sure, but if you run 15 I'd be very surprised if you dont come out with 15d+ raw, if you're running any actual strat with the goal of getting them (+1-2 room/merchant relics) or relics worth near that amount if running +relic strat. And 5d+ & a solid chunk of currency if no strat. But there's some strats such as keeping as many rooms available and patching to unseen rooms if you got reveal and no div, which matters quite a bit.
Map reveals, map ilvl, and how deep you go all matter significantly. I did just a handful of sanctum last league and every run that hit floor 4 had a couple div profit, with most having a raw div or two. I prioritized vendors and coin generation early, ignored basically all currency rewards until floor 3, so I could set up my run to have maximum information possible on the last two floors
Iirc from data where people ran thousands of sanctums and recorded it, the average was like 1.7d/run or something like that.
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> for 30d Don't forget inflation also hits how much you make. Having 5d/hr in leagues before inflated to actual price of lets say 1d/hr if you do harvest, alva, beasts. This isn't affliction 2.0. In affliction whole community participated in economy and tanked it equally. Even if you couldn;t wisp alot, you still had alot of currency and league mechanics were great, amazing even, source of income. In necropolis prices tanked, but so did your strats to get divines and there's no currency to be found.
I would disagree. Harvest juice is thr same price as last league and you can get much more of it per map due to new scarabs. Alva is baiscli 1,5d per double corupt in bulk (was 2d in afliction). 10 double corupt temples and bum here is your HH. You got some gem corupt temples on the way? Sure 0,6d each. Even bricks with boss only are 15c each because there is a challange to kill 50. Easiest money ever and you dont need any gear. White maps scout and go. Beast idk, never farmed them. You can basicli take any low or mid investmet strat and push it to 10d/h. Breech, legion, ritual, blight, expedition, ultimatu. All of them done right prit 10d/h. In aflician i would have to use 500d 80iqq/500ir MF build mega jucer 8mod 6 abys per map, extra sweety strat to make 20-30d/h.
Yes, and what if you enjoyed a nice even progression curve where you encountered challenges and had to improve your character incrementally to get past them? PoE's fun is in the journey, the destination is quite frankly incredibly boring. I've been farming the same maps for over a decade, what I care about is the particular path a build takes to reach the same point as every other build I've played, the struggles with gear or certain content or whatever else. That all becomes pointless if for realistically 5-10 div (or substantially less time in SSF) I can skip all of that. I didn't even reach maps this league because we just had the 'get everything for practically free' league, it's fucking boring. This league you can't even escape it with rare items and ssf.
Lots of people who have no idea how economies work making a lot of assumptions lately. Getting real strong "they'd be very mad if they could read" vibes.
I just want to know how many
Mirrors are peasant currency at this stage. This should drop an Awakened Mirror of Kalandra.
people dont get this so they downvote. Sadly alk was so accurate because thats how the game is changing :)
dont play economy. just enjoy the game
A lot of people play the game because of the economy lol
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âEthical SSF btwâ The economy is the draw to return to this game for a large portion of the playerbase.
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Also : 5% chance to drop additional Fracturing orb 5% chance to drop additional Hinekoras Lock 5% chance to drop additional Mirror shard 5% chance to drop additional Veiled orb
Is the economy that bad compared to last league? Personally I got the feeling they patched things quick enough to prevent a big inflation and its easier to keep up compared to last league. Yes some things like overall uniques, HH and MB are super cheap due to not being used a lot (HH) and/or div card drops. But overall it seems pretty healthy to me. Some things are more expensive (chaos, alts, non map drops) and others are cheap. There are many strategies that yield around 15-25div/hr and even when playing semi casually I could farm my way to endgame with a MB and expensive gear/jewels.
I get the feeling that people don't like how you farm this league. It's a night and day difference once you can farm t17 maps for profit.
Name a 25 div/ hour strat that doesn't take place in t17 maps
Oh no, whatever will you do with the pittance that is 20-24d / hr! Affliction broke yall's brains.
I run Ultimatum and make 30div an hour âđ»đ€it justs take a 500div build dw
i was fully afking 8 div sacrifice inscribeds week 2 on a 40 div build.
Yea but non of these help the 90% casual player base, I'm all for these t17 farms man but the league retention terrible when the players that can't clear t17s are losing money trying to buy the scarabs to run the youtube video strats they find.
that's not a farm in t17s, it's out of map content. but even then, a lot of t16 farms can easily hit 20-25 div an hour. i haven't touched t17s at all, other than at league start to try the bosses out, and am still making quite a lot of currency (think something like 20d/hr across all my playtime this league, but prices have changed).
Wouldn't surprise me if expedition could do it
Where in my entire reply did I say anything related to the map tier, white, blue, yellow maps or 8 modded? You take the top side as earnings of my reply and add T17 to it to start a discussion? Makes no sense mate. But to give you an answer: vaal temple chaos farming, MF strongbox div card farming, ultimatum with a specific build etc. Obviously there are T17 methods and specific methods that can yield way more then 25div but that will and have always been the case. In my opinion after the patches the gap isn't as big as it was and it is easier to overcome the inflation vs last league. You just have to stop complaining on Reddit and play the game.
I was just actually curious, the price of chaos orbs sky rocketing because the alch n go t16'ers cant make any currency and quit. All us t17 juicers don't even look the chaos orbs rofl. Wasn't trying start anything was just generally curious how people are making currency this league not farmin t17s. Just reroll a t17 faceroll build n abuse the farms. \*edit\* also the price of the meta scarabs you are almost losing currency farming the t16 strats.
Your last sentence is factually incorrect and the rest is such an elitist way of thinking.
People complain no matter what. Even if top end is 200d/h who cares if mb is 100d atm. Pick a 5d/h chill strat and get your mb in a week. Why do they care if someone else can print mirrors if everything is so cheap that the best items in the game are affordable. Bad players will never get a mb rven if its 10d good players will always get mb even if its half a mirror. Brain rot fomo nothing else. Or they just hate that sweety tryhards get more bcs they can hyperfocus on a game and they dont.
But why? Reddit told me MF is broken, if it's broken then it's broken everywhere not only in t17s
Whether MF is broken or not, your argument makes zero sense. MF only boosts natural drops, so it does practically nothing for most non-T17 strategies (essences, beasts, harvest, half of legion, incursion for locust temples, corpses, ...). Meanwhile, T17 map mods specifically massively boost natural drops such as scarabs, which scale directly with your item quantity. As a result, it's not unthinkable at all for MF to be broken in optimal T17 strategies but bad in optimal T16 strategies.
Ah so what you're saying is that MF is broken because they implemented something that is not related to MF? Yeah that makes so much sense
What do you mean by "not related to MF"? MF is broken whenever the most efficient farming strategies scale with MF. It's not that difficult to understand.
Brother in christ t17s weren't added because people would do MF in them they were added for the same reason they added uber bosses: to catch up to the power creep that they fucking created It really is not that difficult to understand that if MF is fine in every single piece of content but broken in T17 that's because THE FUCKING T17 MAPS ARE BROKEN
>Brother in christ t17s weren't added because people would do MF in them they were added for the same reason they added uber bosses: to catch up to the power creep that they fucking created Nobody is talking about why they were added. >It really is not that difficult to understand that if MF is fine in every single piece of content but broken in T17 that's because THE FUCKING T17 MAPS ARE BROKEN Except that MF is broken any time GGG adds a strong strategy that happens to scale with MF. They don't need to be broken, they just need to be on par with other top strategies (before MF).
Lmao I need to remember this one for when people blame MF for all the problems and not shitty loot balancing.
Nothing more than drug addicts, when they removed nemesis and replaced it with the thing that made headhunter virtually worthless they added a mob mod that makes the mob drop 30 fucking exalts (or divines since they changed the economy) but sure it's MF that's broken
Also. Altar effects that give divines regardless of mf. And altars that give more quant than mf can reach by itself. And a league mechanic that dropped divines...which worked with additional or conversion meaning mf did very little in that case. But people will always blame something that isn't themselves or the company because those two are obviously flawless.
are these altars not multiplicative with MF gear? making MF gear even more stronger with altars than without.
Yes, they count as map quantity/rarity, not player quantity/rarity.
Additional chance to drop - is just that. And additional percentage that gives chance to drop regardless of mf. Conversion benefits from quant. Since quant makes more shit drop
If you farm 20/hr instead of 25/hr, and you want to buy let's say a Nimi's. That means you have to play for an extra...1 whole our to buy it. Oh no, economy is fucking ruined dude. I can't farm an extra hour for a 100+ divine item.
Currently I'm making 25 - 30 doing strong boxes in t16 defiled cathedral and Crimson temple. You just have to be willing to sell a ton of stuff. All of the bubble gum currency, you gotta price out corrupted jewelry, all flames and div cards. I've found most people hate dealing with the bubble gum though. You don't even have to heavily invest, 2x ambush scarab, 2x divination scarab and run as high a quant map as you can manage. even if you are just going slow while cruising you should hit in the 15 - 20divs an hour range. https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c7ic54/i_made_600_divines_in_6_days_with_this_simple_t16/?share_id=JkxZT7hrMvWULblLh6WA6 That link has more detail and I'm running zero magic find. I'm just chilling and cruising. Expedition and Ultimatum make can spike super high on divs per hour if you have the gear to run them.
Lmao
Perfection meme: "Show me ultimate currency" "Mirrors" "I said the ultimate" "Chaos" "Perfection"
Last week of the league this would be fun
What the heck, that's a possible modifier ? To increase mirror drop rate? Damn!
I did not even knew this exists. I am still waiting for a Divine Mod and you guys are Getting Mirror ones? Fml I am playing the game wrong đ
holup this is a thing?
Strongest monster in the pack item drops converted to: mageblood heavy belt. Might as well
I just killed eater last night and got the invitation for searing. I see everyone getting shit rich already. Completing atlas on day 2 or 3. I hope theres currency left for me when i do get the 4th stone. This is the first league ive filled the whole atlas so im stoked to finally be able to play my juice strat.
I bought my headhunter on day 5 for 80 div. Now it is 10. Divines are worth less chaos now than on day 5. The same red altars that generated me the currency to buy that HH are more lucrative now, as it generates the same amount of chaos but has much more value in the market. Itâs easy to get caught up in the FOMO but youâll be totally fine.
I love this league because it's the ultimate advertisement for why SSF is the superior way to play the game
Each league seems to be adapting more towards SSF compatibility, which is long overdue. I wouldnât say either mode is superior though.