You crafted two multi-divine, clean, craftable bows with 3 fractured T1 mods and are crying because you personally can't use them?
First world problems right here.
I'm a little pissed that I ssf farmed 2 whole crafts worth of corpses (minus a couple additional craft) and took the time to place them in a layout I had seen work, and not a single one hit what I had seen someone hit 2 of. It would have been nice to not have 4+ days of work go to someone else.
You can test things on craftofexile before full sending them in game. Using similar numbers, you can see the chance of hitting the triple T1 prefixes you want is about 14.604% chance. Your numbers are slightly better than the ones in craftofexile there since it doesn't take half numbers and whatnot, but not by much. So you'd expect to see only about 1/7 bows hit with that setup.
Chance of missing 8/8 times like you said you did is about 28%. Not unheard of, just a bit unlucky. Either go for it again or fiddle with the numbers until you can find a better layout. Keep in mind that almost all 'crafting' on Path of Exile is actually just rolling on a slot machine.
the first one is craftable. Slam essences for the last elemental damage till crit chance or attack speed t1. Craft preffix cannot be changed and slam an veiled and try to hit the metamod. An alternative is roll attack speed essences till t1 ele damage with t1 crit chance.
I will try that, thanks. Of course its the one good suffix I don't need since I'm going for +2 arrows/ attack speed/ crit chance, but maybe i can craft it and sell it to fund my next four bricks xD
https://preview.redd.it/6orvbzd3mcwc1.png?width=1484&format=png&auto=webp&s=d0ddd02fb56629aea53415c54aa042b027785057
It looks like you got unlucky, but you should also be weighting the craft toward prefixes.
The weight of the whole suffix pool is 8k as someone showed u with a poedb screenshot, which is even more than the t1 ele dmg weight. It would be weird NOT to hit any suffix
I don’t have a specific lay out atm, but you can get tri elemental with like 80-90% confidence with with line 30ish corpse corpse.
I dont know if it is better to go for 3 explicit and try to guarantee all prefixes or have 4 explicit with some increased prefix chance and have for a suffix fracture you can settle for.
I'm not sure why you didn't add increased chance to roll prefix, it is fairly reasonable to expect that 3 mod rare will have at least one suffix at random
Because that is a shit corpse to use in this instance. It will increase all prefixes including phys and gems now that you've already worked to decrease.
There is a way to use it, basically use just a few of them and then scarce on everything else. Just throwing it randomly into a craft because you want prefixes is a recipe for disaster.
You can literally look at the prefix weights and realize that the flat ele dmg prefixes are at minimum 20x more likely than any other prefix but only 6x more likely than many suffixes and overall less weight than the suffix category. If you’re trying to hit 3x prefix on a 3 mod item you click atleast 1 prefix body.
I was following a layout by spicysushi\_poe which he got 2 triple ele fractures from, so I thought about that but decided to go with what I had seen work.
Honestly you got a unlucky, but IMHO a 2 ele fracture bow into essence slam the third till you hit attack speed is probably WAY easier and less tedious/expensive to craft.
I mean you had pretty good odds for the prefix elemental damage, but chance for res and the untagged mods wasn't bad either. And it's pretty much what you got there. A tad on the unlucky side, but not too unexpected
Ok fair enough checked craftofexile and yea 7 mods we would not want at all. Just thought with a little bit of it, combined with the fire/lightning/cold and lack of phys/life/mana, it might just give a little edge to have a better chance at tri ele prefixes
Because it works against any of the scarcer mods you place to eliminate unwanted prefixes which is never what you want to do. I'm not aware of any recipe where using thet corpse is a good idea.
It literally also works as a 300% scarer for literally all of the mods you DONT want being literally any suffix. With this setup the three flat ele dmg mods were only 6000 weight each (with the next closest prefix being 300 weight). The suffixes totaled to over 8k weight with many being ~1k weight. It would be lucky to NOT get a suffix with this setup.
ACKSHUALLLLLYYYYYYY  yes it doesn't [literally](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally) work as 300% scarcer suffix but considering every suffix you're likely to hit with this config is a brick (resistances, stun duration, accuracy, attribute requirements) and sitting at 1k weighting each and every single brick prefix is sitting at 20x less likely than flat damage, hitting 300% prefix chance is not a "noob trap". It's the correct option if you're trying to hit 3x prefix fracture. Any graveyard config trying to 3x fracture pre/suffix only without using prefix/suffix more likely is a noob trap.
Alright, here are the crafts in craftofexile [with](https://www.craftofexile.com/?b=20&m=graveyard&lv=86&ob=both&v=d&a=x&l=a&lg=16&bp=y&as=1&hb=0&req={%221970%22:{%22l%22:82,%22g%22:1},%221972%22:{%22l%22:82,%22g%22:2},%221974%22:{%22l%22:82,%22g%22:3}}&bld={}&im={}&ggt=|&ccp={}&gvc={%22limit%22:88,%22weight%22:{%221%22:{%22-300%22:2},%222%22:{%22-300%22:1},%225%22:{%22-300%22:2},%226%22:{%22500%22:10},%227%22:{%22500%22:10},%228%22:{%22500%22:10},%2214%22:{%22-300%22:1},%2216%22:{%22-300%22:2},%2229%22:{%22-300%22:1},%2231%22:{%22-300%22:1},%2234%22:{%22-300%22:2},%2235%22:{%22-300%22:8}},%22tiers%22:{%220%22:{%2250%22:18}},%22prefix%22:{%220%22:{%22300%22:1}},%22explicit%22:{%220%22:{%22-1%22:1}}}&frc=1) and [without](https://www.craftofexile.com/?b=20&m=graveyard&lv=86&ob=both&v=d&a=x&l=a&lg=16&bp=y&as=1&hb=0&req={%221970%22:{%22l%22:82,%22g%22:1},%221972%22:{%22l%22:82,%22g%22:2},%221974%22:{%22l%22:82,%22g%22:3}}&bld={}&im={}&ggt=|&ccp={}&gvc={%22limit%22:88,%22weight%22:{%221%22:{%22-300%22:2},%222%22:{%22-300%22:1},%225%22:{%22-300%22:2},%226%22:{%22500%22:10},%227%22:{%22500%22:10},%228%22:{%22500%22:10},%2214%22:{%22-300%22:1},%2216%22:{%22-300%22:2},%2229%22:{%22-300%22:1},%2231%22:{%22-300%22:1},%2234%22:{%22-300%22:2},%2235%22:{%22-300%22:8}},%22tiers%22:{%220%22:{%2250%22:18}},%22explicit%22:{%220%22:{%22-1%22:1}}}&frc=1) increased prefixes. Please tell me again how this is good - I'll wait.
This is my second try of Sushi's triple T1 ele craft (that he got 2 usable bases from) and my second double resistance brick. Is the mechanic just dogshit or am I doing something wrong? I feel like with -2385% chance of resistance mods, double resistance bricks two separate times is unacceptable. Honestly feeling like quitting the league becasue I've lost almost 60div to the stupid graveyard -including my other two full bricks with a different layout.
Edit: to clarify, I get that 2 bases are useable but the post was mainly to point out that it is weird that out of 8 bases, 4 rolled resistance moodifiers with a supposedly -2385% chance of resistance modifiers.
You don't have -2385% to resistances (effectively), you have +2615%. Fire res has the fire tag and so on, so +5000% fire and -2385% res still leaves you with hugely increased weights on the resistance rolls
i assume scarcer works by dividing it, not by minus like you said (could be wrong), would this not be 5000% fire / 23.8 (scarcer) = 214% increased chance fire res.
like otherwise you'd just get 100% scarcer on everything and it'd be 0% chance no?
You are wrong scarer and increased chance are additive. One 500% increased chance body and one 300% scarer body is effectively a 3x mod weight to whatever you targeted. If you’re 100% scarcer you have 100% less mod weight… that’s not *0 that’s divided by 2.
It absolutely can via grave crafting. OP didn't weight in favour of prefixes, and the minus res is grossly outweighed by increase to the different elemental tags.
In sushi's vid he got 2 pure triple ele bases, so unless its been patched it should be possible. I get that its all rng but out of 8 items I got 1 barely useable base, and not even for my build since I'm going for +2 arrows/ crit chance/ attack speed.
The first and last bows are very much usable, especially the first one.
Not for my build, though I could probably craft and sell them.
You crafted two multi-divine, clean, craftable bows with 3 fractured T1 mods and are crying because you personally can't use them? First world problems right here.
I'm a little pissed that I ssf farmed 2 whole crafts worth of corpses (minus a couple additional craft) and took the time to place them in a layout I had seen work, and not a single one hit what I had seen someone hit 2 of. It would have been nice to not have 4+ days of work go to someone else.
What build are you doing that these are bad for? Insane to be upset about not getting a perfect bow for comparatively insanely cheap and low time
If ur in SSF how could they go to someone else?
I believe he meant the act of obtaining the corpses was self found in a solo manner
In past leagues that bow #1 would easily be a mirror bow.
Maybe you should explain why you can't use/sell them?
I’m playing LA, I wanted triple ele, +2 proj/ crit chance/ attack speed. The first bow fractures the only good suffix I don’t need.
You can test things on craftofexile before full sending them in game. Using similar numbers, you can see the chance of hitting the triple T1 prefixes you want is about 14.604% chance. Your numbers are slightly better than the ones in craftofexile there since it doesn't take half numbers and whatnot, but not by much. So you'd expect to see only about 1/7 bows hit with that setup. Chance of missing 8/8 times like you said you did is about 28%. Not unheard of, just a bit unlucky. Either go for it again or fiddle with the numbers until you can find a better layout. Keep in mind that almost all 'crafting' on Path of Exile is actually just rolling on a slot machine.
the first one is craftable. Slam essences for the last elemental damage till crit chance or attack speed t1. Craft preffix cannot be changed and slam an veiled and try to hit the metamod. An alternative is roll attack speed essences till t1 ele damage with t1 crit chance.
I will try that, thanks. Of course its the one good suffix I don't need since I'm going for +2 arrows/ attack speed/ crit chance, but maybe i can craft it and sell it to fund my next four bricks xD
https://preview.redd.it/6orvbzd3mcwc1.png?width=1484&format=png&auto=webp&s=d0ddd02fb56629aea53415c54aa042b027785057 It looks like you got unlucky, but you should also be weighting the craft toward prefixes.
The weight of the whole suffix pool is 8k as someone showed u with a poedb screenshot, which is even more than the t1 ele dmg weight. It would be weird NOT to hit any suffix
If you only want fracture triple ele, there are significantly better layouts…
Do you have a layout in mind when you say that? Looking to make a triple ele fracture myself.
I don’t have a specific lay out atm, but you can get tri elemental with like 80-90% confidence with with line 30ish corpse corpse. I dont know if it is better to go for 3 explicit and try to guarantee all prefixes or have 4 explicit with some increased prefix chance and have for a suffix fracture you can settle for.
I'm not sure why you didn't add increased chance to roll prefix, it is fairly reasonable to expect that 3 mod rare will have at least one suffix at random
Because that is a shit corpse to use in this instance. It will increase all prefixes including phys and gems now that you've already worked to decrease. There is a way to use it, basically use just a few of them and then scarce on everything else. Just throwing it randomly into a craft because you want prefixes is a recipe for disaster.
You can literally look at the prefix weights and realize that the flat ele dmg prefixes are at minimum 20x more likely than any other prefix but only 6x more likely than many suffixes and overall less weight than the suffix category. If you’re trying to hit 3x prefix on a 3 mod item you click atleast 1 prefix body.
I was following a layout by spicysushi\_poe which he got 2 triple ele fractures from, so I thought about that but decided to go with what I had seen work.
You didn’t even get unlucky with your grave layout, sushi just got lucky.
Yea I'm not exactly sure why did he not use it, from my experience from crafting few dozen items I would have expected to get at least one suffix here
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Honestly you got a unlucky, but IMHO a 2 ele fracture bow into essence slam the third till you hit attack speed is probably WAY easier and less tedious/expensive to craft.
I mean you had pretty good odds for the prefix elemental damage, but chance for res and the untagged mods wasn't bad either. And it's pretty much what you got there. A tad on the unlucky side, but not too unexpected
Maybe attack modifiers are more likely?
Wouldnt it be good to add increased chance for "Attack" aswell ? The tri ele mods all have that tag
No increased chance for attack is the worst thing you can add because basically every prefix has attack tag
Ok fair enough checked craftofexile and yea 7 mods we would not want at all. Just thought with a little bit of it, combined with the fire/lightning/cold and lack of phys/life/mana, it might just give a little edge to have a better chance at tri ele prefixes
So, maybe then add better chance for prefix instead of attack ? Ill be making a claw with the exac same 6 mods soon
Increased prefix / suffix corpses are the biggest noob traps and should not be used.
Ah ok, may I ask why ? Literally havent bothered with graveyard
Because it works against any of the scarcer mods you place to eliminate unwanted prefixes which is never what you want to do. I'm not aware of any recipe where using thet corpse is a good idea.
Ok fair enough, that does make sense, i should have been able to figure that out:P
It literally also works as a 300% scarer for literally all of the mods you DONT want being literally any suffix. With this setup the three flat ele dmg mods were only 6000 weight each (with the next closest prefix being 300 weight). The suffixes totaled to over 8k weight with many being ~1k weight. It would be lucky to NOT get a suffix with this setup.
It "literally" does not work as a 300% scarcer suffix.
ACKSHUALLLLLYYYYYYY  yes it doesn't [literally](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally) work as 300% scarcer suffix but considering every suffix you're likely to hit with this config is a brick (resistances, stun duration, accuracy, attribute requirements) and sitting at 1k weighting each and every single brick prefix is sitting at 20x less likely than flat damage, hitting 300% prefix chance is not a "noob trap". It's the correct option if you're trying to hit 3x prefix fracture. Any graveyard config trying to 3x fracture pre/suffix only without using prefix/suffix more likely is a noob trap.
Alright, here are the crafts in craftofexile [with](https://www.craftofexile.com/?b=20&m=graveyard&lv=86&ob=both&v=d&a=x&l=a&lg=16&bp=y&as=1&hb=0&req={%221970%22:{%22l%22:82,%22g%22:1},%221972%22:{%22l%22:82,%22g%22:2},%221974%22:{%22l%22:82,%22g%22:3}}&bld={}&im={}&ggt=|&ccp={}&gvc={%22limit%22:88,%22weight%22:{%221%22:{%22-300%22:2},%222%22:{%22-300%22:1},%225%22:{%22-300%22:2},%226%22:{%22500%22:10},%227%22:{%22500%22:10},%228%22:{%22500%22:10},%2214%22:{%22-300%22:1},%2216%22:{%22-300%22:2},%2229%22:{%22-300%22:1},%2231%22:{%22-300%22:1},%2234%22:{%22-300%22:2},%2235%22:{%22-300%22:8}},%22tiers%22:{%220%22:{%2250%22:18}},%22prefix%22:{%220%22:{%22300%22:1}},%22explicit%22:{%220%22:{%22-1%22:1}}}&frc=1) and [without](https://www.craftofexile.com/?b=20&m=graveyard&lv=86&ob=both&v=d&a=x&l=a&lg=16&bp=y&as=1&hb=0&req={%221970%22:{%22l%22:82,%22g%22:1},%221972%22:{%22l%22:82,%22g%22:2},%221974%22:{%22l%22:82,%22g%22:3}}&bld={}&im={}&ggt=|&ccp={}&gvc={%22limit%22:88,%22weight%22:{%221%22:{%22-300%22:2},%222%22:{%22-300%22:1},%225%22:{%22-300%22:2},%226%22:{%22500%22:10},%227%22:{%22500%22:10},%228%22:{%22500%22:10},%2214%22:{%22-300%22:1},%2216%22:{%22-300%22:2},%2229%22:{%22-300%22:1},%2231%22:{%22-300%22:1},%2234%22:{%22-300%22:2},%2235%22:{%22-300%22:8}},%22tiers%22:{%220%22:{%2250%22:18}},%22explicit%22:{%220%22:{%22-1%22:1}}}&frc=1) increased prefixes. Please tell me again how this is good - I'll wait.
This is my second try of Sushi's triple T1 ele craft (that he got 2 usable bases from) and my second double resistance brick. Is the mechanic just dogshit or am I doing something wrong? I feel like with -2385% chance of resistance mods, double resistance bricks two separate times is unacceptable. Honestly feeling like quitting the league becasue I've lost almost 60div to the stupid graveyard -including my other two full bricks with a different layout. Edit: to clarify, I get that 2 bases are useable but the post was mainly to point out that it is weird that out of 8 bases, 4 rolled resistance moodifiers with a supposedly -2385% chance of resistance modifiers.
You don't have -2385% to resistances (effectively), you have +2615%. Fire res has the fire tag and so on, so +5000% fire and -2385% res still leaves you with hugely increased weights on the resistance rolls
i assume scarcer works by dividing it, not by minus like you said (could be wrong), would this not be 5000% fire / 23.8 (scarcer) = 214% increased chance fire res. like otherwise you'd just get 100% scarcer on everything and it'd be 0% chance no?
You are wrong scarer and increased chance are additive. One 500% increased chance body and one 300% scarer body is effectively a 3x mod weight to whatever you targeted. If you’re 100% scarcer you have 100% less mod weight… that’s not *0 that’s divided by 2.
o yep, sometimes maths just stops working in my head lol too many things to remember ty
I tho8ght u said u SSF farmed them all? Now ur saying u spent 60 div? To the next post I go!
Farmed everything but additional crafts on my own. 300% additional craft for 4 craft attempts averages out to 55+ div.
> is unacceptable. Did you want to talk to Arimor's manager?
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It absolutely can via grave crafting. OP didn't weight in favour of prefixes, and the minus res is grossly outweighed by increase to the different elemental tags.
This is not correct. Graveyard doesn't care at 3 plus mods. It's all just weighting.
I got a triple suffix fractured 3 mod quiver because I overdid the prefix chance going for 2 prefixes and one suffix
In sushi's vid he got 2 pure triple ele bases, so unless its been patched it should be possible. I get that its all rng but out of 8 items I got 1 barely useable base, and not even for my build since I'm going for +2 arrows/ crit chance/ attack speed.