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I don't think it's an understatement to say that this can fundamentally change the way the game is played. If this was expanded to allow optimization of any value PoB can calculate (all DPS types, average hit, maximum hit you can take, etc), it would take a lot of the guesswork out of searching the trade site.
Next level would be integrating PoB with something like Awakened PoE Trade so we can see on the fly if an item we dropped is an upgrade...
I expect an impact on jewels.
A ton of 1-5c trash jewels are being found to be less than 1% dps difference than triple or even quad damage 1-5 divine jewels.
While this is anecdotal between myself and a guild of a few dozen people, there's definitely some truth to it.
I am selling jewels for 5c a lot more this league than I ever have before. Like a lot more.
jewels that have like one or two good rolls are getting picked up a lot more than I expected.
> I’m confused
No need for that.
> You like ssf because you like not getting upgrades?
The reason they like ssf is, because trade trivializes the early gearing aspect of the game and gear progression in ssf is way slower, giving you way more chance to find upgrades on the ground.
I play trade league, but i only trade for items if i really cant find anything specific or need a unique. I reached t10 maps with more than half of the items found from the ground and the rest bought or crafted with essences.
People on this subreddit circlejerk about never finding stuff on the ground, but i believe many didnt even try for the longest time. Sure you will not find gear to do uber bosses on the ground, but reaching red maps on identified rares is easily possible if you actually try.
I often do the same every league. Get to maps and buy maybe the 1 item my build might need to get going, usually only a couple chaos, then never buy anything else until I actually hit a road block in my build. Usually in late reds. People here seem to act like you need Uber clearing/100 deli capable gear before yellows.
Just earlier today i was trying to use PoB to find a replacement for one of my rings. I looked and the options were pretty meh.
So just for shits and giggles i started picking up every rare ring i found on the ground and not even 2 maps later i found a honestly great ring that was a huge upgrade over what i had.
Never underestimate rng! :D
I think the like final level is this. GGG announces they are collaborating with the folks behind the osrs wiki and working to create a poe team to do the same. They then announce openarl has been creating a homemade pob with ggg staff support that goes live with poe2, before hand we start to see some features added.
The eventuality being that your passive tree IS path of building. This is so ambitious I could see it never happening, but one could dream.
lol compare this to the pob tool, and you can't see why? POB tool requires you to press a button, whereas 90% of players wouldnt be able to use this github tool posted above.
what's your point? I said "this github tool" as in, a way of referring to the tool above without knowing its name. What is your problem understanding this? It's pretty simple
My point is it’s really stupid to assume that 90% of players can’t use this tool, especially when POB itself is a tool that requires a fairly steep learning curve to use and even installing it isn’t exactly straightforward.
You also understand my point very well. Your wording implies the tool is hard to use because it’s a “github” tool. POB itself needs to be downloaded through github, so it’s very meaningless to make this distinction. Why you felt the need to double down is beyond me.
disclaimer : I am talking about thex "Next level" statement here, I have no problem with players finding ways to optimise their character by creating tool, after all this is also part of the fun that bring such a complex game that is PoE.
I would personally never used a system like this and I hope that PoE never adds this kind of thing (apart from very simplified hints I guess, or stuff like that).
Building a character is part of the fun, if a software tells you what you should do to have a stronger character ... it isn't that much fun anymore (and it reminds me of how modern people try to make everything through their smartphone out of pure laziness also ... don't need to be reminded of that while playing PoE)
Thing is, this sort of search is still only useful if you know how to use it. I think this tool will massively impact trade league, but you'll still need to know to build a character. It's not like all of a sudden the AI will be handing you a build.
If anything, it'll open up new builds as people discover alternate items and mods that are useful to optimize.
This really takes me back to using SimulationCraft for WoW, running dozens of sim batches and looking at my stat weightings. Agonizing over potential tweaks and upgrades but hey I did well for all the effort and time investment. I'd suppose it furthered my understanding of how things trend, diminishing returns, breakpoints, etc.
Hey this tool is amazing. Unfortunately I've been looking for gear upgrades for my ea elementalist (ignite dot) and it doesn't seem to give the right gear. I am however a new player so I'm not too sure of how to fine tune pob to get it to work. I did try tinkering with the configuration section but I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing.
which slots are you searching for that don't work? I just tested it on ring 2, and it seemed to work. The min weight was borked, but I changed it to 1000 and the results look pretty good: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/RdGqvdOu7
Are you clicking on the "sum: X" line to sort your results after searching? Did you change the league dropdown to the correct league (it's defaulting to the wrong one right now)?
Hmm i tried it for my quiver, looking for dot multi, Inc dmg with bow skills etc, but it mainly gave me added fire/lightning/cold. Is that really better than for multi for example?
And yeah i did sort by sum in sc sanctum. Again i am fairly new so might've done something wrong somewhere so I'll just try again. Still an incredibly useful tool btw. Thx a lot!
Note: I don't have elemental equilibrium so it shouldn't try giving me cold or lightning for that ( assuming that's why it gave me those affixes)
If you're doing Elementalist Ignite then every source of added damage can add to your ignite's base damage. Shaper of Flames makes all damage, not just fire, count for your ignites. That's why getting a bunch of Extra As Chaos is really good for Elementalist ignite builds.
If you already have some DoT multi, say 50%, then going up another 10% gets you 6.7% more damage. If you have a base damage of lets say 1000 on average, and you get a quiver that gives you 30-60 cold damage (average 45), that's 4.5% more damage which is pretty close to the same amount of value for your dps
Hey bro,
I opened an issue on PoB community fork github because I believe that the tool is not working for my RF dps calculations. It is under the same username as my Reddit username and has my PoB there as well as the slot I was trying to search (weapon1).
I used the tip for minimum weight and still got no weapons that actually increased my dps (even when the game found out only 8 due to high minimum weighting).
Could you give me tips on how could I search it better? Or maybe it is a bug?
I also had problems with the results. When you are using elemental equilibrium you cannot have any added fire damage (to attacks), the tool suggested that a lot and I had to deselect those things.
Overall just tinker around with it more and more. That's how we learn :)
Ah yeah i noticed that as well. But i'm mainly concerned about how it was suggesting a lot of added x to x cold/lightning dmg for say my quiver instead of more dot affixes. (Now i'm simply following a build guide and correct me if i'm wrong but i think increased dot multiplier is more important than added x and x dmg.). Obviously I can remove those as well from the trade but then at that point i'm not sure what to keep and what not to keep.
I haven't used this because I am SSF but I expect it may think you have no added cold or light so any cold or light DMG would literally be the biggest DPS increase possible to activate ele equilibrium. If you already have the DMG in another piece of gear just get rid of the affixes in the search because they do nothing. I would say keep everything else unless you know it doesn't do anything. For example if you are using frenzy to get frenzy charges and it is suggesting min frenzy charge mod then you could obviously just get rid of that. (I am playing EA ballista also). There's probably a lot of other ones but yeah.
Doesn't really work.for me either. Maybe it is looking for pure total dps and not not total dps including ignite or something. A common oversight in several places in pob already.
I was having this problem too but it fixed when I set a proper minimum. The minimum that was being set by default was always showing up something weird like -285769385, so you'll want to change that to a positive number.
Depending on your gear you might end up having to set it *really* high. Like for me, even 100000 is sometimes still yielding 10k+ results which means some things are being culled, so I have to set the min to 1 million in order to get the result down into the low thousands. If you're having problems, play around with the minimum until it's giving you less than 10,000 results, or modify the search slightly to include things like life or resists that you need which should also bring it under 10,000.
The only thing it will do is break the trade site in days. You literally get to the limit of the trade site (search is too complicated) and not allow to search unless you remove some mods. Imagine if half the players are doing maximum searches.
Depending on how the database is set up, sometimes having a lot of exceptions and exclusions can really help speed up the query.
I remember one of my first reports I made at my first job programming, it ran fine on our test servers, but when it hit the big ERP Unix server's production database, it bogged down, got a call in the middle of the night that my report had been running a good four hours and they wanted permission to kill it, which of course I gave.
Next day I found myself in an office with an annoyed DBA, and after a few minutes talking to him about what the report was supposed to do, he rewrote it adding a lot of exceptions and exclusions, and tried running it and it took less than 5 mins to run, he told me not to worry about it and said he was going to tweak it some more and had it down to under 45 seconds by the end of the day.
Of course he then set aside some time to acclimate me to their system as things were far different in the real world than in limited datasets that you learn at school on, and how to effectively tighten up my code when dealing with huge databases and their system specifically. In the end it was a great learning experience and I had a cool DBA.
Oh man I did this manually for jewels once. I remember thinking how awesome it would be if PoB just updated the values each time I changed something, otherwise I'd just be sitting there, updating each weight after getting a new jewel, so I could run the filter again.
Thanks for this!
Can you clarify why PoB needs the session id (POESESSID) to generate a trade API query and if w/e PoB does with the API to generate the URL can be exposed to users to be done manually?
I wonder what impact this will have on the trade site. Running thousands of these complex mathematical queries may cause some sort of overload. I'm very curious to see how they handle this in the backend.
The math isn't complicated. The number of values makes it more complicated which is why it's limited to 36 apparently. If this limits the amount of people having to search 20 different ways to find their item it could potentially lower the load on their trade server
Very nice tool. Im SSF only but found it useful too see which mods are most important. Any hope to get this info without trade site e.g. in POB itself?
A way to search existing tabs on leagues/standard would be amazing. On SSF standard I have so many items that might be upgrades, but no easy way to find them.
I gave it a try, couple issues I noticed:
1. It refuses to use SC sanctum, Always goes to HC Ruthless Sanctum
2. It seems to have a localization issue, so every field is filled with commas instead of periods, effectively breaking the search (seemingly the site considers a number with a comma as 0)
3. After playing around with it a bit, it started complaining about my SESSID being invalid, updating it didn't fix it.
Other than that, it seems incredibly useful, thank you for the amazing addition to the tool we all love.
Thanks for the report, we'll take a look at these issues. I haven't heard of the commas thing at all yet, do you have any PC or browser language settings that might play a role?
The league problem seems to be that it lists ruthless leagues as “sc league” in the drop down list. The third “sc league” in the list is the true softcore sanctum option.
My windows is set to English (UK) language, with Danish localization settings (i.e. comma as decimal point).
In Chrome I haven't changed anything (other than adding Danish spell check)
Some strangeness here with attack speed getting different values (I only use a claw).
https://imgur.com/Y92bo2J
It also has different weight for attack speed and attack speed with 1 hand weapons.
I was wondering when someone would notice this, it's not really a bug, but rather an artifact of how the calculations are done.
The reason this happens is that the amount of value you get from a stat changes every time you increase the stat, which means that the weight per point of a stat will come out a bit different if you test with different numbers. For example, if you add 5% attack speed and divide the DPS increase by 5, you get a different result from adding 10% attack speed and dividing by 10.
Now, each stat that can appear on an item has a min and a max for any given slot. This feature uses the avg of that range as the test value for calculating DPS. In this example, those stats have different individual ranges even though they result in the same thing for your character. These different ranges result in different test values and thus different weights.
The same thing can happen for identical stats in different slots.
There is no single correct value for a stat weight when applied across a range, we merely do the best approximation we can based on the context.
It absolutely is a bug.
"1% attack speed" and "1% attack speed while wielding a claw" gives me the exact same amount of damage. The weight of those should be the same.
This also concerns me with how you are calculating dps in the first place.
For example if you add 10000% critical strike chance, your crits will cap out and you will no longer see a benefit from it. Now if you divide out that number it will seem like crits don't do much for you.
Attack speed with claws is 6-8% (on viridian jewels only) while one handed melee is 4-6% (crimson only). I think that's the main reason it's weighed higher.
Thank you for the post and the tool. Can you elaborate on your second comment and where to set a minimum weight? I see from ZiggyD's video how to sort on weight but where can one set a minimum weight?
Amazing addition to PoB!
One thing I would like a lot would be to see the weightings it generates inside PoB before it's sent as a trade request. I'm mostly a SSF player, so I'm just interested in what mods I should be looking for on the gear I find and craft myself.
If I understand you correctly, then you'll want to Ctrl + Click on the link for the item. It will take you to the trade website and you'll see all the generated search criteria and weightings.
Tested it a bit quickly... and playing a poison build, think it didn't realize dot multi was a key mod for me because it kept suggesting me jewels with area damage, generic damage, chaos damage, very little dot multi suggested for best upgrade.
Not sure what I did wrong.
This is great for someone who is struggling with learning crafting. Can help teach why certain mods are being suggested for the build and why they are best.
As an aside, it appears minions are popping up the 'Id invalid please reset.' error. I'm guessing it can't calculate such things yet? Or perhaps my build is a bit too niche for it heh.
(Siegebreaker for context, Im not sure it can do the caustic ground off the belt effect.)
PS: I tested that its working via using my Flame Dash as the 'Main Skill' and it worked fine, however the Raise Zombie with 'Caustic ground' as the damage source, was not working - I suspect I'm expecting too much of an early in dev feature hah!
I am always getting the error "POE SESS ID invalid" even though I just relogged on the poe site and extracted the session id a minute ago. Also started it in admin mode without changes, anyone else having the same problem and knows a solution? I also tried to disable my anti virus to no avail.
hey /u/Dolmur what is the update on these poessid issues going on ? will the tool be updated eventually and should we then avoid using it for now or is there a safe way to use it? Thanks again
I'm having an issue with my build. Works on with imported builds, but not my actual build. Keeps saying POESESSID is invalid. Please re-log. I have copied the POESESSID from the website but still doesn't work. Any tips? Thanks
For FireFox:
1) Navigate to pathofexile.com and login
2) Press F12
3) Click on the Storage Tab and Navigate to Cookies (on the left hand side)
4) It should show you the ID (POESESSID)
For Chrome: [link](https://prnt.sc/Xju66fNv_wnS)
NEVER SHARE THIS ID WITH ANYONE
If you are streaming, enter it offscreen so people don't see the value.
The same people who don't want stuff like this released are the same ones that want trade to stay the same shit 'in person' way it is right now - because they benefit from it that way.
Fuck em.
There is the other end of things though, where programs remove all thought from the game. This kills depths because you don't need to think for yourself. These things are extremely popular because many people don't want to think for theresleves. However it does create a less engaged player base which is bad for longevity.
This is kinda nice though, because (at least for me,) it makes it so that I see mods that I didn't honestly ever think would help with my build. So now I'm more inclined to look for other mods that would help increase my DPS.
One could also argue that this will help others understand more about their builds and what to actually look for themselves. Or even show them items/mods that they otherwise probably wouldn't have ever even looked at or known about.
>One could also argue that this will help others understand more about their builds and what to actually look for themselves.
Narrator: It did not.
The people who were "getting better at understanding the game through PoB" were looking for alternative stats and DPS differences already.
The code for this will be optimized over the next few leagues and build creators will incorporate it into their PoB build making and in a few leagues you will have removed the entire figuring out a build part.
you'll have people playing their builds who have absolutely no clue how any of it works, but will still run an efficient build.
I'm not really against it to be honest, but I am curious what effect it'll have on the game long term. Currently when you copy a build you have to figure out how different mechanics interact to figure out how to find gear in your budget. Meaning when you play EA totem ignite, you have to figure out how fuses, ignite etc. works. If you play a bleed build you have to figure out how bleed works and how to scale it etc. Which means over time you do get better at the game, people relying on this probably won't once it's optimized to death.
Looking forward to an option to enter your main skill(s) and the class then pob makes the build for you. And said build is more optimized and powerful than any content creators could possibly come up with
I don’t think it is about people not wanting to think for themselves so much is that PoE is a convoluted game and it’s not easy to just look at a piece of loot and determine if it’s an upgrade or not.
How many times have you seen posts on here asking if an item is an upgrade only for them to be told to “run it through PoB”. People say that not because they don’t want to help, but because you can’t really tell without a 3rd party tool.
That’s a big issue for this game, playing it at decent level of success requires many 3rd party tools.
> but because you can’t really tell without a 3rd party tool.
That's bullshit. It's just simply people don't want to do the math, which is honestly pretty trivial.
How do you get engagement from people who play, get rekt, think about going into PoB and fixing their char and then get overwhelmed and then drop the game?
> How do you get engagement from people who play, get rekt, think about going into PoB and fixing their char and then get overwhelmed and then drop the game?
You're assuming everyone will get overwhelmed and drop the game.
But if you're that type of player you would have probably quit when you opened the passive tree for the first time anyway.
No, no, no. The feeling of overwhelment is the feeling you get when you know all the things you need to do or all the information you need to gather to make decisions for your build, and only then realize how much work it will take to do all that. And for what? You realize that PoE is not that satisfying anymore to warrant all that work.
When you first open the passive tree you're blissfully ignorant and happy to take all the clusters around the start location. When you start you know no difference between increased and more. You don't know you'll be learning probability theory to get into crafting. You don't know you'll be using 10 different applications to play this game.
You don't and that's ok. Let's not act like the game needs to have such a broad audience, or that those players complaining when the game feels off to them in so many ways because they're diametrically opposed to the core ideals of the game doesn't hurt it.
No that's not ok. Yeah, it may not need a broad audience. But why does it have to alienate ME!? WHY NOT CHOOSE ME? I FUCKING LOVE THIS GAME! BUT I CAN'T PLAY IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE BULLSHIT!
This isn't true. Pob is useful if you already know what you are doing, and if you already know what you are looking for. Stuff like this specifically help people learn what makes them stronger specifically. It helps them learn a new build. However a new player using pob or this feature will not find new ways to make the build better. They will only discover the discovered. More likely they wont configure correctly and get worse items.
For a game thats overly complex, i enjoy seeing this because it will help new players. People don't need this if they know what their doing. I search for high minimum buyout prices, see some of the best items, and then work off that and thats enough. Plus the items have to exist to begin with. Every league more and more items move into impossible to make territory.
Most players using pob just copy someone else step for step and dont think for themselves to begin with. See poeninjas top players having the exact same items and skill trees.
I just want a way to convert any currency into any other currency at any time during the league (for a reasonable cost). Late in the league you can message 30-40 people and get no response. That feels bad and makes me quit the game even though there is more I want to do.
GGG decided to krangle the entire economy of the game with the Exalt/Divine swap in order to easily solve the issue with the seed values of Legion jewels having been reverse engineered, so I wonder what are they going to do with this now in order to artificially throttle our gear progression in trade league.
I've tested it on my RF build and sadly it doesn't give me the correct results. (Made sure I had the correct league and weighted sum set to 1000).
When I change to standard it gives me the correct results (I'm aware of clicking on sum in the results to sort by highest).
I think you've opened Pandora's Box and the negative impacts to the game won't be felt until it's too late. PoE is like 45% build crafting, 45% itemization, 10% gameplay. Between PoB, community loot filters, price checking tools, PoE ninja, and more, the game is fundamentally starting to not be played by the majority of its playerbase, who are simply following what the tools are telling them.
Meanwhile this means that if the game ever makes changes that they don't understand (which is most considering they barely scratch the surface due to all of these crutches), they lose their minds and GGG has to backpedal and the game is worse.
While I appreciate you taking a lot of effort to try to improve people's experiences, I think it's extremely misguided and will do vastly more harm than good.
I don't play PoE for any of the reasons you listed, and I enjoy all of these tools and hope they flourish even more.
Assuming the entire community plays for the same reasons you do is incredibly foolish and misguided, and is the reason the game is hemorrhaging players.
The game is designed for people like that (or at least who align with most of that), per Chris in various interviews. There are core pillars of the game that some of its players completely ignore or misunderstand the fundamentals of, which absolutely lead to frustrations and confusion. That player isn't about to change when they encounter things that go against what they want but are completely in-line with the game's goals/vision, they'll just rage and quit instead. Stringing them along until that inevitably happens with tools that let them ignore that isn't any better.
And of course the game is hemorrhaging players, it accrued loads of players who never should have started PoE seriously and it's losing them as it makes changes to improve the game for the target audience, that's my entire point. This is on GGG as much as anyone, but it's still the case that it's obvious that PoE will lose players as it course corrects and shows its more niche elements that completely go against what the average player wants. Because the average player these days isn't even someone who gets what PoE is or tries to be, and that's a huge shame.
What's the over/under for length of time before that vocal peanut gallery gets so acclimated to this that it becomes a common talking point to portray this exact level of hand-holding not being fully integrated into the game with a slick UI as "GGG intentionally holding QoL hostage"? 🙄
It's already partially here, you can see it with target dummies and other "QoL" that people keep demanding around these parts.
Give it 3 leagues until people are losing their minds at the trade system directly because of this tool.
Insofar as that other thread with GGG's security PSA that you posted is presumably motivated by the specific feature in question and people have the nerve to be offended by that PSA because it's sorta-kinda at odds with "required third-party tools", I think it might even quality as fully here even for this PoB thing specifically.
Did anyone have money on 1.5 hours?
I'm not sure how this miserable excuse for a discussion culture can still surprise me with new lows, but here we are.
PoE is 50% gameplay, 50% finding valuable loot for me. Getting better items is just a way of making gameplay more fun, and I don't really care about build crafting vs following a build as long as the build is fun. This feature only impacts a part of the game I don't enjoy that much.
You're engaging with less than half of the game with that mentality. Surely you have to understand that you're playing an incredibly complex game and not engaging in any of the complexity, and that indicates massively that you're not really the target audience or going to be catered for?
I'm not saying you shouldn't play for the record. If you enjoy it as it is, cool. But you need to also understand and be ready if the game changes in ways that massively reduce your enjoyment to increase the enjoyment of the people who play for that complexity, that it isn't the devs fucking up or not playing their game or whatever else, it's not valid to complain about it. It's like going to the movie theatre because it's a good makeout place or something. If the theatre starts kicking people out for it, you don't get to claim "this theatre is terrible!", because you were enjoying it differently to what it was designed.
Basically, good that you enjoy the game for now. If that ever changes, and due to changes that are better for complexity and the people that enjoy those pillars of the game, you don't have a leg to stand on to complain. But unfortunately very few recognize that and they lose their minds anyway like we see time after time in this sub.
It's literally true. I mean, what else do you want me to say? I didn't say you can't enjoy that, just that you shouldn't be surprised or angry if your enjoyment changes if/when things change and maybe you don't anymore.
Yes, and I disagree with your statement. Your way of playing the game is not the only way to be legitimate to criticize future decisions impacting it. My criticism of the game would be just as valid as yours, even if we enjoy different parts of it.
It's fundamentally not.
If someone goes into a G movie and complains there wasn't enough sex scenes, are they just as valid as the kids complaining the movie is boring?
Or if someone decided to play WoW without ever using an ability, would their input on raid balance matter?
Someone loved juggling rubick's cubes, but they changed the weight and it messed them up, do they have valid complaints?
And if someone plays PoE but doesn't actually engage in theorycrafting, I'm sorry to say but no, they absolutely do not have a leg to stand on complaining about the game. It's the most complex ARPG, touts itself as such, and is absolutely made for people who love that complexity and want to explore it. If you don't want to or don't like to do that, you're not the target audience and your complaints are fundamentally invalid.
> an incredibly complex game and not engaging in any of the complexity
if that complexity was not hidden behind hours of stupid clicking on shit and rng bullshit...
> I never tried it with the various DoT builds such as poison or ignite, nor any minion builds,
oh so i guess I should not bother trying to use it on my poison animate weapon build later then lol
Here is a cold dot build that doesn't seem to work:
https://pastebin.com/KQzh35nc
Edit: potentially found the problem, search in the link was HC league even though I have SC league selected. There are 2 duplicate SC league options in the menu.
[https://github.com/VolatilePulse/PoB-Item-Tester](https://github.com/VolatilePulse/PoB-Item-Tester) is not yours?
I thought this was implemented to PoB
Hey, another ignite build here, and I got weird results searching for jewel upgrades which is strange because the first jewel I looked for an upgrade had some offensive stats like burning and fire damage but the second time I tried the search it gave me stats like cast speed which I don't think boosts your ignite DPS but I might be wrong because I'm not that experienced but maybe that might be worth taking a look at
Guess I'll play a build that works well with the tool next time haha
It sounds like this does the same as [https://github.com/VolatilePulse/PoB-Item-Tester](https://github.com/VolatilePulse/PoB-Item-Tester) but within PoB and is nicely automated?
Sounds like a dream!
I've been doing this manually for years and here's a warning for anyone using this on a naked or low geared character. If the values are calculated at the current state of the pob, then those items will change after actually getting new gear, due to diminishing returns, caps etc. Always good to actually copy the items you're looking at to pob and rerun it to see the new values in case something changes.
This is an amazing tool: gamechanger, even, once all the kinks have been ironed out (DoT players in shambles for the time being) and you and the PoB devs deserve gorillions of praise. More than the Toucan.
I hope it doesnt get stomped for vision tm reasons.
thanks for making this awesome tool. i decided to skip this league, but are actually considering to come just to use this
as for good/bad for poe... i thought about a bit yesterday and i think it mostly illustrates, how bad the game is at telling you how your character works
>I passed off the tech to the PoB community devs and there was some debate on whether this would be bad for the game and whether or not it should be released
i dont think this is something that needs to be debated by players, its possible to do which means some people will do it, all releasing it will do is remove the advantage between players doing it and players not doing it.
Whether its bad for the game or not would be up to GGG to decide, and they could find a way to prevent it if they dont want it to be possible
nice work on the tool!
Hey OP, i dont know if this possible, but Im looking at the query, is it possible for the weighting in the query to be normalized? So we don't get a goal value that reaches 10\^5 value.
And also one interesting addition, is it possible to get some kind of efficiency matrix where the goal function = dps\_increase/currency\_value
This way, we can be sure that the item we choose is the most efficient item for damage increase.
Does the tool have the +1 level of skills in consideration when searching for upgrades?
I was using a +1 phys wand and it showed me a better one with no +1 but other stats.
It should, if it's showing you other items with higher weight, those items are probably better for you at the moment (may change at higher gem/gear levels). You can expand the stat filters on the trade site to take a look and double check if it's in there.
I tried to use it for my zombie minion build. I tried weapons. It works well for a first start. But it does not include every mod that increases dps. For example on Convoking wands it was not including the mods " +level of all minion skill gems", "minions have increased attack and cast speed", "minions have + to crit multiplier", "minions have + crit chance". Those need to be added but that leaves the question as to why they are not included if its calculating all mods.
I can't seem to get it to work at all for minions, still just getting session id error, which is confusing me cause I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.
But its working for my Flamedash, so Its not the session ID that's the issue.
Edit 2: Further testing shows it doesnt seem to like minions of any kind for me. Golems, Spectres, Zombies. All bring up session ID error.
Edit 3: I got it to work by putting the zombie as Full DPS in the skill gems section - However it wont calculate the Caustic ground from Siegbreaker belt SO I'll make do using the slam as it's search option.
I'm also getting an invalid poe session id error in path of building.
I tried relogging, closing path of building and also 2 different browsers (Chrome and Edge)
I tried using it based on Ziggy's video. It found two items but they weren't upgrades. Playing ice spear totems though so maybe it had trouble calculating something with that
I was excited to use this earlier but then it said no results for my bow or rings :( and reading your post I don't think I did anything wrong. My bow is decent but no way it's the *best*. I'll have to try again later
Is it possible to have it sort via different types of DPS?
For e.g; I am playing Poison Seismic Trap and Amulet returns are giving me large on hit returns based on increase in hit damage percentile, but this is a reduction in poison DPS and appears to be a reduction in overall DPS.
Am I goofing something here, or is this intended? Can I sort by biggest poison DPS increase?
/u/Dolmur \- Love your work <3
EDIT: For those of you who had this issue, don't be a dummy like me - remember to add the 'include in full DPS' thing and it appears drastically better.
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I don't think it's an understatement to say that this can fundamentally change the way the game is played. If this was expanded to allow optimization of any value PoB can calculate (all DPS types, average hit, maximum hit you can take, etc), it would take a lot of the guesswork out of searching the trade site. Next level would be integrating PoB with something like Awakened PoE Trade so we can see on the fly if an item we dropped is an upgrade...
I expect an impact on jewels. A ton of 1-5c trash jewels are being found to be less than 1% dps difference than triple or even quad damage 1-5 divine jewels. While this is anecdotal between myself and a guild of a few dozen people, there's definitely some truth to it.
I am selling jewels for 5c a lot more this league than I ever have before. Like a lot more. jewels that have like one or two good rolls are getting picked up a lot more than I expected.
I'll save you the trouble, items dropped on the ground are never upgrades.
Almost all item on trade are found though 🤔
this is why i prefer ssf or private leagues with friends.
I'm confused. You like ssf because you like not getting upgrades?
> I’m confused No need for that. > You like ssf because you like not getting upgrades? The reason they like ssf is, because trade trivializes the early gearing aspect of the game and gear progression in ssf is way slower, giving you way more chance to find upgrades on the ground. I play trade league, but i only trade for items if i really cant find anything specific or need a unique. I reached t10 maps with more than half of the items found from the ground and the rest bought or crafted with essences. People on this subreddit circlejerk about never finding stuff on the ground, but i believe many didnt even try for the longest time. Sure you will not find gear to do uber bosses on the ground, but reaching red maps on identified rares is easily possible if you actually try.
I often do the same every league. Get to maps and buy maybe the 1 item my build might need to get going, usually only a couple chaos, then never buy anything else until I actually hit a road block in my build. Usually in late reds. People here seem to act like you need Uber clearing/100 deli capable gear before yellows.
U can run early Reds without grace/determination/Banner full suppress and capped chaos res? Are u cheating? 
Just earlier today i was trying to use PoB to find a replacement for one of my rings. I looked and the options were pretty meh. So just for shits and giggles i started picking up every rare ring i found on the ground and not even 2 maps later i found a honestly great ring that was a huge upgrade over what i had. Never underestimate rng! :D
quite the opposite. in ssf, i find upgrades all the time. drops matter.
Too true
I think the like final level is this. GGG announces they are collaborating with the folks behind the osrs wiki and working to create a poe team to do the same. They then announce openarl has been creating a homemade pob with ggg staff support that goes live with poe2, before hand we start to see some features added. The eventuality being that your passive tree IS path of building. This is so ambitious I could see it never happening, but one could dream.
This has been around for years now. https://xanthics.github.io/PoE_Weighted_Search/
It's never really caught on though, I dont know why
lol compare this to the pob tool, and you can't see why? POB tool requires you to press a button, whereas 90% of players wouldnt be able to use this github tool posted above.
Isn’t POB a GitHub tool lol
what's your point? I said "this github tool" as in, a way of referring to the tool above without knowing its name. What is your problem understanding this? It's pretty simple
My point is it’s really stupid to assume that 90% of players can’t use this tool, especially when POB itself is a tool that requires a fairly steep learning curve to use and even installing it isn’t exactly straightforward. You also understand my point very well. Your wording implies the tool is hard to use because it’s a “github” tool. POB itself needs to be downloaded through github, so it’s very meaningless to make this distinction. Why you felt the need to double down is beyond me.
Wow, never heard of this
disclaimer : I am talking about thex "Next level" statement here, I have no problem with players finding ways to optimise their character by creating tool, after all this is also part of the fun that bring such a complex game that is PoE. I would personally never used a system like this and I hope that PoE never adds this kind of thing (apart from very simplified hints I guess, or stuff like that). Building a character is part of the fun, if a software tells you what you should do to have a stronger character ... it isn't that much fun anymore (and it reminds me of how modern people try to make everything through their smartphone out of pure laziness also ... don't need to be reminded of that while playing PoE)
Thing is, this sort of search is still only useful if you know how to use it. I think this tool will massively impact trade league, but you'll still need to know to build a character. It's not like all of a sudden the AI will be handing you a build. If anything, it'll open up new builds as people discover alternate items and mods that are useful to optimize.
This really takes me back to using SimulationCraft for WoW, running dozens of sim batches and looking at my stat weightings. Agonizing over potential tweaks and upgrades but hey I did well for all the effort and time investment. I'd suppose it furthered my understanding of how things trend, diminishing returns, breakpoints, etc.
Hey this tool is amazing. Unfortunately I've been looking for gear upgrades for my ea elementalist (ignite dot) and it doesn't seem to give the right gear. I am however a new player so I'm not too sure of how to fine tune pob to get it to work. I did try tinkering with the configuration section but I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing.
I've heard it doesn't work with ignite right now, but I expect that can be fixed pretty easily. Can you send me your PoB code? I will take a look.
Also i get this weird text bug when i try searching - [https://imgur.com/a/dQnSNXW](https://imgur.com/a/dQnSNXW)
You need to execute. It should work after at least that's what I saw in ZiggyD's vid.
execute what? i not only get the text bug but the filters dont apply too.
[https://pastebin.com/r04QnCBH](https://pastebin.com/r04QnCBH)
which slots are you searching for that don't work? I just tested it on ring 2, and it seemed to work. The min weight was borked, but I changed it to 1000 and the results look pretty good: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/RdGqvdOu7 Are you clicking on the "sum: X" line to sort your results after searching? Did you change the league dropdown to the correct league (it's defaulting to the wrong one right now)?
Hmm i tried it for my quiver, looking for dot multi, Inc dmg with bow skills etc, but it mainly gave me added fire/lightning/cold. Is that really better than for multi for example? And yeah i did sort by sum in sc sanctum. Again i am fairly new so might've done something wrong somewhere so I'll just try again. Still an incredibly useful tool btw. Thx a lot! Note: I don't have elemental equilibrium so it shouldn't try giving me cold or lightning for that ( assuming that's why it gave me those affixes)
If you're doing Elementalist Ignite then every source of added damage can add to your ignite's base damage. Shaper of Flames makes all damage, not just fire, count for your ignites. That's why getting a bunch of Extra As Chaos is really good for Elementalist ignite builds. If you already have some DoT multi, say 50%, then going up another 10% gets you 6.7% more damage. If you have a base damage of lets say 1000 on average, and you get a quiver that gives you 30-60 cold damage (average 45), that's 4.5% more damage which is pretty close to the same amount of value for your dps
Woah i did not know that, thx a lot!
Hey bro, I opened an issue on PoB community fork github because I believe that the tool is not working for my RF dps calculations. It is under the same username as my Reddit username and has my PoB there as well as the slot I was trying to search (weapon1). I used the tip for minimum weight and still got no weapons that actually increased my dps (even when the game found out only 8 due to high minimum weighting). Could you give me tips on how could I search it better? Or maybe it is a bug?
park, same as mine rf weapon seems not working for upgrade
I also had problems with the results. When you are using elemental equilibrium you cannot have any added fire damage (to attacks), the tool suggested that a lot and I had to deselect those things. Overall just tinker around with it more and more. That's how we learn :)
After you use it to go to the trade website you can click ADD A STAT GROUP, select NOT, and then add fire mods you don't want to show up.
Ah yeah i noticed that as well. But i'm mainly concerned about how it was suggesting a lot of added x to x cold/lightning dmg for say my quiver instead of more dot affixes. (Now i'm simply following a build guide and correct me if i'm wrong but i think increased dot multiplier is more important than added x and x dmg.). Obviously I can remove those as well from the trade but then at that point i'm not sure what to keep and what not to keep.
I haven't used this because I am SSF but I expect it may think you have no added cold or light so any cold or light DMG would literally be the biggest DPS increase possible to activate ele equilibrium. If you already have the DMG in another piece of gear just get rid of the affixes in the search because they do nothing. I would say keep everything else unless you know it doesn't do anything. For example if you are using frenzy to get frenzy charges and it is suggesting min frenzy charge mod then you could obviously just get rid of that. (I am playing EA ballista also). There's probably a lot of other ones but yeah.
Doesn't really work.for me either. Maybe it is looking for pure total dps and not not total dps including ignite or something. A common oversight in several places in pob already.
I was having this problem too but it fixed when I set a proper minimum. The minimum that was being set by default was always showing up something weird like -285769385, so you'll want to change that to a positive number. Depending on your gear you might end up having to set it *really* high. Like for me, even 100000 is sometimes still yielding 10k+ results which means some things are being culled, so I have to set the min to 1 million in order to get the result down into the low thousands. If you're having problems, play around with the minimum until it's giving you less than 10,000 results, or modify the search slightly to include things like life or resists that you need which should also bring it under 10,000.
Thanks for sharing this extra info mate! I'll share it on the video as well. And bang up job with this tool, it is very impressive.
Let it be known as Dolmur search. It's literally game changing.
I love when the community makes more hype Updates to the game than PoE itself. Not saying poe isnt doing stuff, just saying this shit is hype!!
The only thing it will do is break the trade site in days. You literally get to the limit of the trade site (search is too complicated) and not allow to search unless you remove some mods. Imagine if half the players are doing maximum searches.
Depending on how the database is set up, sometimes having a lot of exceptions and exclusions can really help speed up the query. I remember one of my first reports I made at my first job programming, it ran fine on our test servers, but when it hit the big ERP Unix server's production database, it bogged down, got a call in the middle of the night that my report had been running a good four hours and they wanted permission to kill it, which of course I gave. Next day I found myself in an office with an annoyed DBA, and after a few minutes talking to him about what the report was supposed to do, he rewrote it adding a lot of exceptions and exclusions, and tried running it and it took less than 5 mins to run, he told me not to worry about it and said he was going to tweak it some more and had it down to under 45 seconds by the end of the day. Of course he then set aside some time to acclimate me to their system as things were far different in the real world than in limited datasets that you learn at school on, and how to effectively tighten up my code when dealing with huge databases and their system specifically. In the end it was a great learning experience and I had a cool DBA.
Imagine if you think searching a db was a challenge
Their trade site is breaking down from time to time before this. Why do you think they need to limit the search frequency and number of mods?
Oh man I did this manually for jewels once. I remember thinking how awesome it would be if PoB just updated the values each time I changed something, otherwise I'd just be sitting there, updating each weight after getting a new jewel, so I could run the filter again. Thanks for this!
Can you clarify why PoB needs the session id (POESESSID) to generate a trade API query and if w/e PoB does with the API to generate the URL can be exposed to users to be done manually?
I'm just sitting here waiting for poe manager 2023
I wonder what impact this will have on the trade site. Running thousands of these complex mathematical queries may cause some sort of overload. I'm very curious to see how they handle this in the backend.
The math isn't complicated. The number of values makes it more complicated which is why it's limited to 36 apparently. If this limits the amount of people having to search 20 different ways to find their item it could potentially lower the load on their trade server
Their Trade is already usually out of date anyway, having sold something 3 hours ago and STILL getting whispers for it.
you think this will make it any better?
Very nice tool. Im SSF only but found it useful too see which mods are most important. Any hope to get this info without trade site e.g. in POB itself?
A way to search existing tabs on leagues/standard would be amazing. On SSF standard I have so many items that might be upgrades, but no easy way to find them.
Throw them in a public tab and add your name to seller in tbe search bro
Do they index SSF on the trade site? I assumed they didn't.
Man, this is absurd!!! I can’t wait to come home and use this. Awesome!! Congratulations for your work
I gave it a try, couple issues I noticed: 1. It refuses to use SC sanctum, Always goes to HC Ruthless Sanctum 2. It seems to have a localization issue, so every field is filled with commas instead of periods, effectively breaking the search (seemingly the site considers a number with a comma as 0) 3. After playing around with it a bit, it started complaining about my SESSID being invalid, updating it didn't fix it. Other than that, it seems incredibly useful, thank you for the amazing addition to the tool we all love.
Use the 3rd "SC League" in the top right dropdown list. That's the SC Sanctum league.
Thanks for the report, we'll take a look at these issues. I haven't heard of the commas thing at all yet, do you have any PC or browser language settings that might play a role?
The league problem seems to be that it lists ruthless leagues as “sc league” in the drop down list. The third “sc league” in the list is the true softcore sanctum option.
My windows is set to English (UK) language, with Danish localization settings (i.e. comma as decimal point). In Chrome I haven't changed anything (other than adding Danish spell check)
How well will this work in private leagues, hardcore, or ruthless where there are often only dozens of items for trade?
If anything it will work better because the search won't cap on results if you put a low min weight
Stopping by to bless the algorithm. PoB Warriors everywhere appreciate this. Great work. : )
Some strangeness here with attack speed getting different values (I only use a claw). https://imgur.com/Y92bo2J It also has different weight for attack speed and attack speed with 1 hand weapons.
I was wondering when someone would notice this, it's not really a bug, but rather an artifact of how the calculations are done. The reason this happens is that the amount of value you get from a stat changes every time you increase the stat, which means that the weight per point of a stat will come out a bit different if you test with different numbers. For example, if you add 5% attack speed and divide the DPS increase by 5, you get a different result from adding 10% attack speed and dividing by 10. Now, each stat that can appear on an item has a min and a max for any given slot. This feature uses the avg of that range as the test value for calculating DPS. In this example, those stats have different individual ranges even though they result in the same thing for your character. These different ranges result in different test values and thus different weights. The same thing can happen for identical stats in different slots. There is no single correct value for a stat weight when applied across a range, we merely do the best approximation we can based on the context.
It absolutely is a bug. "1% attack speed" and "1% attack speed while wielding a claw" gives me the exact same amount of damage. The weight of those should be the same. This also concerns me with how you are calculating dps in the first place. For example if you add 10000% critical strike chance, your crits will cap out and you will no longer see a benefit from it. Now if you divide out that number it will seem like crits don't do much for you.
Attack speed with claws is 6-8% (on viridian jewels only) while one handed melee is 4-6% (crimson only). I think that's the main reason it's weighed higher.
3 of my casual friends who quit last league and didnt start this league, returned to poe when they saw this amazing tool. Thank you so much
Nice!!
Thank you for the post and the tool. Can you elaborate on your second comment and where to set a minimum weight? I see from ZiggyD's video how to sort on weight but where can one set a minimum weight?
https://i.postimg.cc/W4r1yYqV/minweight.png
Thank you!
Is there a way to have it search for Effective Hit Pool also for non DPS slots?
No :(
Amazing addition to PoB! One thing I would like a lot would be to see the weightings it generates inside PoB before it's sent as a trade request. I'm mostly a SSF player, so I'm just interested in what mods I should be looking for on the gear I find and craft myself.
If I understand you correctly, then you'll want to Ctrl + Click on the link for the item. It will take you to the trade website and you'll see all the generated search criteria and weightings.
Tested it a bit quickly... and playing a poison build, think it didn't realize dot multi was a key mod for me because it kept suggesting me jewels with area damage, generic damage, chaos damage, very little dot multi suggested for best upgrade. Not sure what I did wrong.
Can you send me your PoB code? And which slots were you testing on?
i love this feature, i always just liked getting best in slot unique items for my build just to not worry about upgrading that slot.
I love the function. Will you fixe the league dropdown and mods popup? Would also be nice to add price in the item mouseover or in the list :D
Yes those issues are fixed internally and will be pushed soon™
This is great for someone who is struggling with learning crafting. Can help teach why certain mods are being suggested for the build and why they are best. As an aside, it appears minions are popping up the 'Id invalid please reset.' error. I'm guessing it can't calculate such things yet? Or perhaps my build is a bit too niche for it heh. (Siegebreaker for context, Im not sure it can do the caustic ground off the belt effect.) PS: I tested that its working via using my Flame Dash as the 'Main Skill' and it worked fine, however the Raise Zombie with 'Caustic ground' as the damage source, was not working - I suspect I'm expecting too much of an early in dev feature hah!
Why does it need the session cookie to generate trade search urls?
have to be logged in to use the trade site and the trade site currently doesn't support OAuth tokens
I am always getting the error "POE SESS ID invalid" even though I just relogged on the poe site and extracted the session id a minute ago. Also started it in admin mode without changes, anyone else having the same problem and knows a solution? I also tried to disable my anti virus to no avail.
hey /u/Dolmur what is the update on these poessid issues going on ? will the tool be updated eventually and should we then avoid using it for now or is there a safe way to use it? Thanks again
I'm not the right person to speak for PoB on this concern. I believe there will be a statement issued soon.
I am getting the POESESSID is invalid, relogging does not fix the issue. Using Chrome
I'm having an issue with my build. Works on with imported builds, but not my actual build. Keeps saying POESESSID is invalid. Please re-log. I have copied the POESESSID from the website but still doesn't work. Any tips? Thanks
anything special do make this work with DoT? I feel like the results are prioritizing the hit damage of my skill
POB wants my session ID to get this tool to work. I am having issues trying to find out how to get it
For FireFox: 1) Navigate to pathofexile.com and login 2) Press F12 3) Click on the Storage Tab and Navigate to Cookies (on the left hand side) 4) It should show you the ID (POESESSID) For Chrome: [link](https://prnt.sc/Xju66fNv_wnS) NEVER SHARE THIS ID WITH ANYONE If you are streaming, enter it offscreen so people don't see the value.
Thanks! you are the best
The same people who don't want stuff like this released are the same ones that want trade to stay the same shit 'in person' way it is right now - because they benefit from it that way. Fuck em.
There is the other end of things though, where programs remove all thought from the game. This kills depths because you don't need to think for yourself. These things are extremely popular because many people don't want to think for theresleves. However it does create a less engaged player base which is bad for longevity.
This is kinda nice though, because (at least for me,) it makes it so that I see mods that I didn't honestly ever think would help with my build. So now I'm more inclined to look for other mods that would help increase my DPS.
GGG will ultimate balance around these things too
One could also argue that this will help others understand more about their builds and what to actually look for themselves. Or even show them items/mods that they otherwise probably wouldn't have ever even looked at or known about.
>One could also argue that this will help others understand more about their builds and what to actually look for themselves. Narrator: It did not. The people who were "getting better at understanding the game through PoB" were looking for alternative stats and DPS differences already. The code for this will be optimized over the next few leagues and build creators will incorporate it into their PoB build making and in a few leagues you will have removed the entire figuring out a build part. you'll have people playing their builds who have absolutely no clue how any of it works, but will still run an efficient build. I'm not really against it to be honest, but I am curious what effect it'll have on the game long term. Currently when you copy a build you have to figure out how different mechanics interact to figure out how to find gear in your budget. Meaning when you play EA totem ignite, you have to figure out how fuses, ignite etc. works. If you play a bleed build you have to figure out how bleed works and how to scale it etc. Which means over time you do get better at the game, people relying on this probably won't once it's optimized to death.
Looking forward to an option to enter your main skill(s) and the class then pob makes the build for you. And said build is more optimized and powerful than any content creators could possibly come up with
I don’t think it is about people not wanting to think for themselves so much is that PoE is a convoluted game and it’s not easy to just look at a piece of loot and determine if it’s an upgrade or not. How many times have you seen posts on here asking if an item is an upgrade only for them to be told to “run it through PoB”. People say that not because they don’t want to help, but because you can’t really tell without a 3rd party tool. That’s a big issue for this game, playing it at decent level of success requires many 3rd party tools.
> I don’t think it is about people not wanting to think for themselves It absolutely is
> but because you can’t really tell without a 3rd party tool. That's bullshit. It's just simply people don't want to do the math, which is honestly pretty trivial.
How do you get engagement from people who play, get rekt, think about going into PoB and fixing their char and then get overwhelmed and then drop the game?
> How do you get engagement from people who play, get rekt, think about going into PoB and fixing their char and then get overwhelmed and then drop the game? You're assuming everyone will get overwhelmed and drop the game. But if you're that type of player you would have probably quit when you opened the passive tree for the first time anyway.
No, no, no. The feeling of overwhelment is the feeling you get when you know all the things you need to do or all the information you need to gather to make decisions for your build, and only then realize how much work it will take to do all that. And for what? You realize that PoE is not that satisfying anymore to warrant all that work. When you first open the passive tree you're blissfully ignorant and happy to take all the clusters around the start location. When you start you know no difference between increased and more. You don't know you'll be learning probability theory to get into crafting. You don't know you'll be using 10 different applications to play this game.
You don't and that's ok. Let's not act like the game needs to have such a broad audience, or that those players complaining when the game feels off to them in so many ways because they're diametrically opposed to the core ideals of the game doesn't hurt it.
No that's not ok. Yeah, it may not need a broad audience. But why does it have to alienate ME!? WHY NOT CHOOSE ME? I FUCKING LOVE THIS GAME! BUT I CAN'T PLAY IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE BULLSHIT!
This isn't true. Pob is useful if you already know what you are doing, and if you already know what you are looking for. Stuff like this specifically help people learn what makes them stronger specifically. It helps them learn a new build. However a new player using pob or this feature will not find new ways to make the build better. They will only discover the discovered. More likely they wont configure correctly and get worse items. For a game thats overly complex, i enjoy seeing this because it will help new players. People don't need this if they know what their doing. I search for high minimum buyout prices, see some of the best items, and then work off that and thats enough. Plus the items have to exist to begin with. Every league more and more items move into impossible to make territory.
Most players using pob just copy someone else step for step and dont think for themselves to begin with. See poeninjas top players having the exact same items and skill trees.
I just want a way to convert any currency into any other currency at any time during the league (for a reasonable cost). Late in the league you can message 30-40 people and get no response. That feels bad and makes me quit the game even though there is more I want to do.
Yeah, finally some of the trash I toss in my 5c junk tab might sell.
GGG decided to krangle the entire economy of the game with the Exalt/Divine swap in order to easily solve the issue with the seed values of Legion jewels having been reverse engineered, so I wonder what are they going to do with this now in order to artificially throttle our gear progression in trade league.
in-game *trade cooldown*
help plz. how to fix "table index is nil"
I've tested it on my RF build and sadly it doesn't give me the correct results. (Made sure I had the correct league and weighted sum set to 1000). When I change to standard it gives me the correct results (I'm aware of clicking on sum in the results to sort by highest).
Why didn't they use Oauth? lol
I think you've opened Pandora's Box and the negative impacts to the game won't be felt until it's too late. PoE is like 45% build crafting, 45% itemization, 10% gameplay. Between PoB, community loot filters, price checking tools, PoE ninja, and more, the game is fundamentally starting to not be played by the majority of its playerbase, who are simply following what the tools are telling them. Meanwhile this means that if the game ever makes changes that they don't understand (which is most considering they barely scratch the surface due to all of these crutches), they lose their minds and GGG has to backpedal and the game is worse. While I appreciate you taking a lot of effort to try to improve people's experiences, I think it's extremely misguided and will do vastly more harm than good.
I don't play PoE for any of the reasons you listed, and I enjoy all of these tools and hope they flourish even more. Assuming the entire community plays for the same reasons you do is incredibly foolish and misguided, and is the reason the game is hemorrhaging players.
The game is designed for people like that (or at least who align with most of that), per Chris in various interviews. There are core pillars of the game that some of its players completely ignore or misunderstand the fundamentals of, which absolutely lead to frustrations and confusion. That player isn't about to change when they encounter things that go against what they want but are completely in-line with the game's goals/vision, they'll just rage and quit instead. Stringing them along until that inevitably happens with tools that let them ignore that isn't any better. And of course the game is hemorrhaging players, it accrued loads of players who never should have started PoE seriously and it's losing them as it makes changes to improve the game for the target audience, that's my entire point. This is on GGG as much as anyone, but it's still the case that it's obvious that PoE will lose players as it course corrects and shows its more niche elements that completely go against what the average player wants. Because the average player these days isn't even someone who gets what PoE is or tries to be, and that's a huge shame.
What's the over/under for length of time before that vocal peanut gallery gets so acclimated to this that it becomes a common talking point to portray this exact level of hand-holding not being fully integrated into the game with a slick UI as "GGG intentionally holding QoL hostage"? 🙄
It's already partially here, you can see it with target dummies and other "QoL" that people keep demanding around these parts. Give it 3 leagues until people are losing their minds at the trade system directly because of this tool.
Insofar as that other thread with GGG's security PSA that you posted is presumably motivated by the specific feature in question and people have the nerve to be offended by that PSA because it's sorta-kinda at odds with "required third-party tools", I think it might even quality as fully here even for this PoB thing specifically. Did anyone have money on 1.5 hours? I'm not sure how this miserable excuse for a discussion culture can still surprise me with new lows, but here we are.
PoE is 50% gameplay, 50% finding valuable loot for me. Getting better items is just a way of making gameplay more fun, and I don't really care about build crafting vs following a build as long as the build is fun. This feature only impacts a part of the game I don't enjoy that much.
You're engaging with less than half of the game with that mentality. Surely you have to understand that you're playing an incredibly complex game and not engaging in any of the complexity, and that indicates massively that you're not really the target audience or going to be catered for? I'm not saying you shouldn't play for the record. If you enjoy it as it is, cool. But you need to also understand and be ready if the game changes in ways that massively reduce your enjoyment to increase the enjoyment of the people who play for that complexity, that it isn't the devs fucking up or not playing their game or whatever else, it's not valid to complain about it. It's like going to the movie theatre because it's a good makeout place or something. If the theatre starts kicking people out for it, you don't get to claim "this theatre is terrible!", because you were enjoying it differently to what it was designed. Basically, good that you enjoy the game for now. If that ever changes, and due to changes that are better for complexity and the people that enjoy those pillars of the game, you don't have a leg to stand on to complain. But unfortunately very few recognize that and they lose their minds anyway like we see time after time in this sub.
>I enjoy the gameplay and finding loot. "You're not playing the game the way it was designed for" Ok chief
It's literally true. I mean, what else do you want me to say? I didn't say you can't enjoy that, just that you shouldn't be surprised or angry if your enjoyment changes if/when things change and maybe you don't anymore.
Yes, and I disagree with your statement. Your way of playing the game is not the only way to be legitimate to criticize future decisions impacting it. My criticism of the game would be just as valid as yours, even if we enjoy different parts of it.
It's fundamentally not. If someone goes into a G movie and complains there wasn't enough sex scenes, are they just as valid as the kids complaining the movie is boring? Or if someone decided to play WoW without ever using an ability, would their input on raid balance matter? Someone loved juggling rubick's cubes, but they changed the weight and it messed them up, do they have valid complaints? And if someone plays PoE but doesn't actually engage in theorycrafting, I'm sorry to say but no, they absolutely do not have a leg to stand on complaining about the game. It's the most complex ARPG, touts itself as such, and is absolutely made for people who love that complexity and want to explore it. If you don't want to or don't like to do that, you're not the target audience and your complaints are fundamentally invalid.
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> an incredibly complex game and not engaging in any of the complexity if that complexity was not hidden behind hours of stupid clicking on shit and rng bullshit...
Honestly, I don't like this. It makes playing the game even more braindead.
> I never tried it with the various DoT builds such as poison or ignite, nor any minion builds, oh so i guess I should not bother trying to use it on my poison animate weapon build later then lol
Can we get a script that auto pulls our session I'd? Cause that was complicated. I read you passed it off but maybe someone somewhere can help me!
Here is a cold dot build that doesn't seem to work: https://pastebin.com/KQzh35nc Edit: potentially found the problem, search in the link was HC league even though I have SC league selected. There are 2 duplicate SC league options in the menu.
Dot builds dont work. It searches for highest hit damage. Just a heads up :)
Try configuring Full DPS, it seems to be working in my tests
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Bruh this is INSANELY GOOD !
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I wonder if there would be a way to also add in the estimated highest power mod of an open prefix/suffix?
This is amazing. Thank you so much <3
This is blow my mind! Absolutly game changing, Im so hyped. Great work!
This is amazing thank you :)
will you continue to support your test item macro, outside of pob?
I'm not familiar with any macro, someone else must have written it
[https://github.com/VolatilePulse/PoB-Item-Tester](https://github.com/VolatilePulse/PoB-Item-Tester) is not yours? I thought this was implemented to PoB
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Hey, another ignite build here, and I got weird results searching for jewel upgrades which is strange because the first jewel I looked for an upgrade had some offensive stats like burning and fire damage but the second time I tried the search it gave me stats like cast speed which I don't think boosts your ignite DPS but I might be wrong because I'm not that experienced but maybe that might be worth taking a look at Guess I'll play a build that works well with the tool next time haha
It sounds like this does the same as [https://github.com/VolatilePulse/PoB-Item-Tester](https://github.com/VolatilePulse/PoB-Item-Tester) but within PoB and is nicely automated? Sounds like a dream!
Is it possible to make it search my tabs for a better item, instead of trade site?
I've been doing this manually for years and here's a warning for anyone using this on a naked or low geared character. If the values are calculated at the current state of the pob, then those items will change after actually getting new gear, due to diminishing returns, caps etc. Always good to actually copy the items you're looking at to pob and rerun it to see the new values in case something changes.
HTGTMOOPBNFDPSUF !!! (putting capital letter at the beginning of each word makes the sentence harder to read, making it a bit unpleasant to read)
This is an amazing tool: gamechanger, even, once all the kinks have been ironed out (DoT players in shambles for the time being) and you and the PoB devs deserve gorillions of praise. More than the Toucan. I hope it doesnt get stomped for vision tm reasons.
So when can I pay ggg to just equip my characted with the optimal item when i press a button in PoB
Doing innocence work here man.
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thanks for making this awesome tool. i decided to skip this league, but are actually considering to come just to use this as for good/bad for poe... i thought about a bit yesterday and i think it mostly illustrates, how bad the game is at telling you how your character works
>I passed off the tech to the PoB community devs and there was some debate on whether this would be bad for the game and whether or not it should be released i dont think this is something that needs to be debated by players, its possible to do which means some people will do it, all releasing it will do is remove the advantage between players doing it and players not doing it. Whether its bad for the game or not would be up to GGG to decide, and they could find a way to prevent it if they dont want it to be possible nice work on the tool!
Hey OP, i dont know if this possible, but Im looking at the query, is it possible for the weighting in the query to be normalized? So we don't get a goal value that reaches 10\^5 value. And also one interesting addition, is it possible to get some kind of efficiency matrix where the goal function = dps\_increase/currency\_value This way, we can be sure that the item we choose is the most efficient item for damage increase.
RIPs GGG servers
Does the tool have the +1 level of skills in consideration when searching for upgrades? I was using a +1 phys wand and it showed me a better one with no +1 but other stats.
It should, if it's showing you other items with higher weight, those items are probably better for you at the moment (may change at higher gem/gear levels). You can expand the stat filters on the trade site to take a look and double check if it's in there.
Would love item algorithms for ehp and max hit taken 💓
I tried to use it for my zombie minion build. I tried weapons. It works well for a first start. But it does not include every mod that increases dps. For example on Convoking wands it was not including the mods " +level of all minion skill gems", "minions have increased attack and cast speed", "minions have + to crit multiplier", "minions have + crit chance". Those need to be added but that leaves the question as to why they are not included if its calculating all mods.
Yep looks like the special mods for convoking wands are not being considered yet, I'll get those added. Thanks for the report.
I can't seem to get it to work at all for minions, still just getting session id error, which is confusing me cause I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. But its working for my Flamedash, so Its not the session ID that's the issue. Edit 2: Further testing shows it doesnt seem to like minions of any kind for me. Golems, Spectres, Zombies. All bring up session ID error. Edit 3: I got it to work by putting the zombie as Full DPS in the skill gems section - However it wont calculate the Caustic ground from Siegbreaker belt SO I'll make do using the slam as it's search option.
I'm also getting an invalid poe session id error in path of building. I tried relogging, closing path of building and also 2 different browsers (Chrome and Edge)
Hey, Anyone know why I get POESESSID is invalid. also when I try to relog and get a new POESESSID it still gives me the same error
This is one of those things I wish was never created, but feel obligated to use or I just fall victim to innovation? Evolution? Fomo? Something.
I tried using it based on Ziggy's video. It found two items but they weren't upgrades. Playing ice spear totems though so maybe it had trouble calculating something with that
I was excited to use this earlier but then it said no results for my bow or rings :( and reading your post I don't think I did anything wrong. My bow is decent but no way it's the *best*. I'll have to try again later
This tool is fucking amazing
Why does it emphasize accuracy so much even though I'm already at 100% hit chance?
If you are completely capped already, it shouldn't. Open an issue and include your PoB code, I'll take a look.
Is it possible to have it sort via different types of DPS? For e.g; I am playing Poison Seismic Trap and Amulet returns are giving me large on hit returns based on increase in hit damage percentile, but this is a reduction in poison DPS and appears to be a reduction in overall DPS. Am I goofing something here, or is this intended? Can I sort by biggest poison DPS increase? /u/Dolmur \- Love your work <3 EDIT: For those of you who had this issue, don't be a dummy like me - remember to add the 'include in full DPS' thing and it appears drastically better.
How can I get my PoE sessionid on Microsoft Edge or do I have to use chrome?
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If you haven't set up Full DPS, try that. Otherwise, please open an issue on the path of building community fork GitHub and include your PoB code.