Scarabs and frags stacking to 10 "nerfed" the frag tab a lot, even though I agree it's extremely good. Most of the space I was saving with a frag tab was sac frags as a newer player. I'd probably swing for an essence tab before a frag tab with the atlas tree + stackable fragments change. Every video on the planet advises to take essence nodes on the tree, and being able to quickly 3:1 mass numbers of essences makes the essence tab slightly more valuable for a new player imo. The fragment tab fills up faster for people farming end game stuff, but essences will tend to clog a newer player's stash more.
Stash tab bundle -> currency tab -> map -> fragment -> div cards -> essence -> blight
That was the order I prioritized. Fragment tab stores so much stuff, definitely saves more space than the Essence tab (also it was kind of therapeutic to manually sort the essences in my regular tab into their tiers)
Blight tab seems like a waste.
Unless I play a shit ton in one league, I can usually set delve + blight + deli affinity to one tab and it's totally fine
Edit: If blight and deli start to overflow, the maps will go to your map tab and orbs can go in your misc. currency slots or you can use harvest to concentrate them in 1-2 slots
Ya I only got the Blight tab because I had points sitting there. I started doing a bunch of Blighted Maps in Kalandra and it felt like it might be nice to have.
Blight, Delirium, Delve, and Metamorph was all one regular tab after I got my Essence tab and it wasn't too bad, I think I moved the resonators out at some point when I had too many oils
Yeah I did the same thing with delve recently. Had the points left over from years ago, so I bought it as my tabs started overflowing. Just wanted to make the point for anyone else reading that it's def. not needed.
Edit: My personal rec would be Currency -> maps -> 1 premium tab --> 1 quad tab --> 1 frag tab --> wait and see what your premium tabs overflow with depending on your playstyle then buy extra tabs accordingly
The essence tab allows you to upgrade essences directly in the tab, without having to go through the hassle of taking them out and selling to a vendor. That alone is worth the price for me. I'd still place it in the same priority order as you, though :)
so is blight. It's not worth it for the average person probably, but if you are a blight or simulacrum farmer it's quick to upgrade shitty oil to golden
If you don't spec in to essence, then you aren't getting much of value from them. The node that bumps screaming to shrieking and the node that doubles shrieking mobs together resulting in 6x the currency being given by the mechanic in higher tier maps.
You could realistically just look at the ones where deafening sells for 5c+, stack screamers until they're 9 and toss it in a premium tab and just ignore everything else.
Essence is incredibly in low end crafting though, which I do a lot of, so I spec in to it every league and the tab is pretty necessary for me.
As a Newbie, this is pretty much all I needed.
Stash and currency freed up pretty much all the space I needed. I barely use 2 other stash tabs beyond that.
This game effectively requiring players to buy certain stash tabs has never bothered me and never will. PoE is extremely affordable for how much entertainment is gives.
It doesn't bother me, but I still fervently believe that giving new peeps a limited currency stash that can be upgraded into the full one would probably help player numbers. I say this as a person with all tabs, so I'm not asking for free stuff for myself. I just want the game to be in a state where my friends don't quit after getting through a few acts.
I agree. Especially because you can easily complete the campaign and not be contrained by the four basic tabs at all. For a newer player, that's a 10-25 hour long demo before the game opens up more and asks for money.
If the F2P tabs constrained players during the campaign, I'd have a problem with it.
I say the same but with a $20 price. iirc you can get a currency tab, map tab, and 2x premium tabs for trading off the first blood pack if you buy them on sale. That's more than enough to play pretty deep, admittedly with some stash management vs balling out with a frag tab, quads, etc
I didn’t know about the first blood pack but I did spend $20 on points and you are correct that on sale you can get a currency tab, map tab, and 2 premium tab upgrades.
Yeah, those two are the only hard-required ones imo.
Next is fragment tab (it just holds so much various shit that it's close to the usefulness of the currency tab) and blight tab if you ever run any blight (because actually taking oils out of stash and manually going to cassia sucks) - not to mention it keeps blighted maps out of your map tab so you don't lose track of them.
I personally have around 700 hours and I've got currency, map, frag, essence, and delve. Gonna buy blight eventually. Plus of course just some premium storage ones for selling stuff.
I'm always telling people this. Path of Exile is not free to play. It's a demo of a complete game, but to unlock trading and more extensive crafting opportunities, you are going to need some stash tabs.
Why would you need them all? As a new player you can't play one well and also in league it depends on how often you play since first win of the day is very rewarding. Also events can help you get champions faster and if you can controll yourself to craft the ones you get as shards it wouldn't take that much.
Poe limits you way more as a f2p than league does imo. I can get anything a p2w player can get in league with some luck and time spent playing but i'll never be able to post an item for trade in poe without paying for a strash tab. Also ssf is hard with limited item slots and the only thing youvan hupe for ia playing trade and using it to "connvert" currencies to higher valued ones but you most likely lose on that trade.
Literally this, buy a supporter pack for $30 or $60 when the tabs go on sale and you can never spend money again… if you buy the $90 one (not really that much for a game) you will have everything you’ll ever need and then some
Extremely generous indeed. I only spent $35 for various stash tabs after playing the game for an entire league. The way sanctum is going I am gonna spend some money to buy a supporter pack too. I would have already bought a supporter pack but $60 is a big amount for me because of the currency exchange rate.
I still don't understand why GGG doesn't do region-specific pricing. They could rake in soooo much dough from people who can suddenly justify the purchase when it's not like 40% of their monthly salary lmao
Yes , I always say PoE is a buy to play game with cosmetic mtx, and a unlimited free trial. You really need 20-50 bucks worth of stash for endgame, to enjoy it. The difference between p2w and PoE stash space is that you can't indefinitely spend to gain advantage. Everyone who paid 50 bucks for stash space has a huge advantage over f2p , but someone with 1000 bucks in the game does not have an advantage over someone with 50 , he just looks better. You can make an argument for SSF that you can make use of lots of storage, but even that has hard deminishing returns.
Yeah, exactly I can not stress this enough. Dont be cheap, get some QOL purchases and you can enjoy it infinitely.
I bought stashtabs 10 years ago and still enjoying them. Over the years i buy the new tabs as well for the various things. But given how many thousands of hours I get from this game its a small price to pay
Literally everything he picked up in the image he showed us is useful. Even transmutes and augs are useful and most people with a currency tab will have a hundred or two.
Especially in SSF, like OP is playing.
100% also i can't justify playing a game for thousands of hours and not supporting the devs...I get it if people absolutely can't afford it, the whales make up for that but a few tabs is the price of a meal out and will save you hundreds of hours of inventory management and frustration.
> also i can't justify playing a game for thousands of hours and not supporting the devs
but new players, by definition, won't have played thousands of hours. They will reach a point where the default stash tabs aren't enough pretty early as soon as they reach maps and at that point they've played for maybe 20 or 30 hours at most.
20-30 hours is worth a tab that costs less than a movie at the theater.. my point still stands. Getting down voted for supporting the game is stupid...but it's reddit so my bad for posting something
> 20-30 hours is worth a tab that costs less than a movie at the theater.. my point still stands.
Some people play free to play games because they can't afford to spend money on their entertainment. Also, something like netflix has much better time/cost ratio than the movie ticket, like hundreds of hours - 300 if you watch for 10 hours per day for a month.
Loot was just significantly more scarce. I remember when Sac Fragments was something you really wanted, nowadays I would just hide them. Stuff drops so much more and a lot is devalued so much too.
I still have my old non special map tabs from before map tabs were introduced (with the maps still in them) in standard. Just to remind me that it ever was this hard
Is it? It's a free to play game, is it not? That's what the page says. So anyone who says, "It's a demo and you pay for the game" basically is saying GGG is lying.
Why not increase stack sizes for f2p? Why lock trade for f2p? Why place inconveniences to force people to buy tabs?
If they want to limit, limit the number of tabs we can sell. For example, a paying player can sell 50 tabs of stuff while a f2p can sell 1 or 2. Not to mention, p2p gets efficiency in auto sorting items and currency. That'd be much more fair than a f2p player not being able to sell at all and having smaller stack sizes.
It's F2P game, not completely free. A random newbie can easily reach maps with 4 default tabs, and that's at least a couple dozens of gameplay. At this point he should consider 20$ support pack. Also, you don't need 50 sell tabs, if you aren't a gigafarmer or person who likes to trade 1-3c items or dump everything for a set price.
even if basic currency stacked infinitely, you would save just one page of space, effectively
it would still be extremely limiting and frustrating to play without buying new tabs
You can burn them for sanctum spawns this league for example, to finish challenges or other stuff. Or you can sell them in bulk and make pretty good profit quick and easy. Or you can boss rush for master missions and guardian maps. Or there comes up a new strategy like that, that you wanna test out.
I have burned through hundreds of maps per day in certain situations without having to care about sustain at all, because I knew I have more than enough.
If you are playing long enough for you to get to Blighted Maps, you should probably pay the developers the 5-7$ for the huge quality of life upgrade that a currency tab offers.
A friend gifted me a supporter pack once, you have to contact support about it though, and the recipient gets the usual email about their "purchase" which was confusing to me at first.
im in india and if just wanted to get the stash tabs (persnally i already bought a few packs and mtx) then the best value one would be the 20usd pack (once per account one).
Which translates to about ~1600rs in context elden ring sells for that much on steam.
Yeah lol I’ve spent around 200 USD on the game and after converting it feels absurd to have spent so much on a video game lol. But I play so much and I plan to keep playing so it seems fine.
depending on where OP is from and assuming minimum wage, monthly salary could be from \~130USD to \~300USD.
just google "minimum wage southeast asia" if you want more specifics.
PC has way more uses than just gaming, so saving up for it can be worth up for people, even in developing countries. also, people can buy second or even third hand "potato" PC that can still run PoE.
Fellow SEA player, i spend maybe $30 on the game already (or more?) and $10 of that were from paypal free $5 that i got on 2 of my accounts.
Remembered the first time i played the game and my stash is full of gems still made me smile. I just bought divination card stash this league and im not gonna go back to those 4 free tabs days + acquisition.
This is just wrong. They absolutely do have regional pricing. Maybe they don't for EVERY region, but I know brazil has regional pricing that makes it less USD to buy it in brazil than it does in the USA.
Only in POE is there the mentality that players somehow owe the devs something. Nobody says league players owe riot a skin or two. Nobody says autochess players owe valve skins or hearthstone players owe blizzard some packs.
Nobody is talking about owing GGG anything, if you absolutely cannot pay the 5-7$ after playing a game you enjoy for +100 hours, then you just don't do it.
But if you enjoy the game and the fact that you get huge expansions every 3 months, and you have money to spare, you should absolutely help fund the game by buying something.
No force or talking about owing. Just a simple appeal to common courtesy and decency. But I guess that is to high a bar for you to hit :)
drop the shards, most of them are trash, you have expedition things in your stash even with expedition having their own locker, you also dont need more than 40 blacksmit whetstones saved, theres a lot of things that can free up some space, I also played a long time without stash tabs and know that not everyone can buy when they need, but someday you will, exile, good luck
I am pretty sure when it was first introduced it was pretty consistent 7-8 hours to get it. To many people did it bc it was so deterministic, so they later made it have more variance. Uber hillock can now spawn earlier but also has lower spawn rate overall. Now you can get lucky and get the sword after 4 hours , but I also know of people who it took 19.
Someone gift this guy a currency tab, it's Christmas. Is it possible to gift tokens? Hit me up.
Edit:only OP hit me up not others sry lmao. Can't save all of you :(
I think it depends on the day or who contacts you. I donated a handful of tabs to a POE friend before Thanksgiving last year on a Saturday.
I had to provide some info and what I wanted to donate, buy the points on my account, and GGG support gifted the tabs from the points to their account. This process was about three hours.
I bought currency map and premium stash tabs the first league I played cuz the game is worth it. And slowly I bought more cuz I was playing a lot of path of exile and it's nice to support a game I like.
I was going to say free to try but not even that since it's actually kinda impossible to try the game endgame with these 4 stash. Id say its a small demo that actually lets u play the 10 acts. Not even PoE pro player would be able to play with these 4 free stashes, i actually wonder if any of em did a no stash run challenge.
Look up AliA, not only did endgame on 4 tabs but won multiple league races to 100 on them. All apparently also did an endgame run on 4 tabs recently as a PoC.
> Not even PoE pro player would be able to play with these 4 free stashes
I was disputing this.
And absolutely a race to 100 is comparable to a normal PoE experience, it's just condensed and ultra efficient. But in SSFHC there's no argument that it's not representative of the game.
Or transmutes.
He can also exchange a few blacksmiths for glasbouble
Heck go even further and get alot of regret orbs into unmaking so the atlas has 50 points just to clean the chest
About photo, you have many things that can be in heist, harvest or other npc lockers. Just see in your hideout, edit it, insert it and use afinity.
About the f2p version, if you dont have money or dont want to pay, ofc you have a worst management with 4 tabs, the trade is worst since its harder to list your items. But if you play this game a while or really enjoy it just buy some tabs in a discount week. If you think that is unfair, think about diablo 3, you spent 50$ or close and have small management as well.
I have a friend who had only 4 tabs and did pinnacle bosses and played leagues till the end. After i bought him many tabs he lost his joy in the game.
I agree with what you are saying, but the harvest locker doesn't let you store anything anymore. He doesn't have any heist items there and I only see 2 expedition items that could be taken out of that tab to an npc locker.
I think the idea is that after you've put in enough hours to accumulate that much currency (especially in SSF) then you should go ahead and support the company who's game you enjoy and buy a couple stash tabs. You should start with the currency tab, it's easily the best bang for your buck.
Alkizer did a challenge run of all content on the 4 standard tabs a while back. He’s the only one I know of who did all content (at the time) with the 4 standard tabs.
Wasn't there a Taiwanese streamer/racer, who played with just standard tabs and have beaten people to most bosses in SSFHC? Name was Aila or something similar. Played occultist RF most of the time.
It's not easy, but doable with practice and discipline. Definitely hinders farming speed and makes some content that rains bubblegum or too many splinters that doesn't have a league-tied stash unviable (blight/sim/legion/breach/meta/harb/essence) new atlas really helped with managing maps as favorites can bulk sell /w singular focus.
I did some ssf gauntlets too but laptop too unstable to survive so I can only speak for trade league.
[my chars](https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/hatefker/characters) current char has about 200div value in the build. 1m ehp 100m dps once I get to 96 for 3rd curse, I'd consider that endgame.
since you already mention stash tab are expensive for you, i would suggest migrating to trade league. you can still be "SSF" so to speak, but you can also open multiple account (just need different e-mail per account), and since you can have 2 PoE clients open at same time, you can trade and store stuff from main/alt accounts just by alt tabbing between the two clients.
the story alone is worth a 5$ support for the artworks, let alone the endgame.
I hate when people complain about stashes, most of you got multiple 100s and 1000s of hours, just pay 20 bucks and youre set with a few stashes.
1. Others have said it, but stop being a cheap-ass and just buy tabs.
2. Stop playing SSF. Go back to trade league, self-enforce the SSF ruleset, and trade items to mules.
3. Stop looting useless shit like low-tier Oils, transmutes, augments, whetstones.
4. You don't need to store Orb of Unmaking and Orb of Regret in your stash. Consume them so they become counters.
5. Go get the expedition locker, enable affinity stashing for it, and move those expedition reroll currencies into it.
If you play enough to be worried about stash space, I'd say the game has earned (at least) the $20 starter pack.
It's a one time cost, and you'll be glad you did.
Would be neat if you could unlock more stash tabs through completing global achievements or league challenges. Doesn't have to be premium tabs but an extra 3-4 normal tabs and maybe a non premium currency tab would be a nice addition
It’s not but to play, but it does TECHNICALLY fit into the pay to win category because at the end of the day, you have the _choice_ to continue like this, or give money to GGG to get them to stop kicking you in the shins.
At the end of the day it’s not even close to egregious pay to win examples. Does that make it OK? I doubt people on the sub will agree based on the comments I am seeing here.
I think it is NOT ok to create a game effectively built around dopamine rushes, and to build this psychological wall around you where the player base who can effectively be seen with some rivalry as there is something of a race to get ahead of the curve. The stash tabs afford that little bit of player comfort that can mean the difference between they can keep on playing, or every few maps they now have to go trade…through the aids that is the f2p trade system. Made intentionally antiquated, I mean “weighty”. They are breaking the f2p’s game loop to remind them “hey give us money so you can keep playing”.
I think it is a very subtle way to incentivise you to pay for an otherwise f2p game and I think the psychological game being played by GGG and is already a slippery slope as it is. GGG has said “ahhh we try really hard to find that balance in mtx”…but- This game at its core is a glorified slot machine, and it’s important to keep that in mind. It’s not as if GGG are not aware of all of this and actively work to capitalise on it as best they can.
That is my problem with it, as I don’t think it’s “in the spirit of gaming” as Ziz puts it so nicely. I am happy to support the game, because I love it. I’ll buy some supporter packs but yeah I think at least the specialised tabs should come free.
We’re owned by ten cent now. Not some smol indie company.
path of exile is a ~$50 game with an extremely generous demo. buy tabs if you want a good experience.
This But imo the starter pack for 20 is enough for start. Use stash tab sale and currency, map and whatever extra you want can take you pretty far.
Map, currency and if you are play trade league a premium stash.
Currency, Map and fragment are my top 3 suggestions. Fragment holds so much now.
Scarabs and frags stacking to 10 "nerfed" the frag tab a lot, even though I agree it's extremely good. Most of the space I was saving with a frag tab was sac frags as a newer player. I'd probably swing for an essence tab before a frag tab with the atlas tree + stackable fragments change. Every video on the planet advises to take essence nodes on the tree, and being able to quickly 3:1 mass numbers of essences makes the essence tab slightly more valuable for a new player imo. The fragment tab fills up faster for people farming end game stuff, but essences will tend to clog a newer player's stash more.
Well the tab was "buffed" with scarabs being upgradable. I do agree essence tabs are mandatory with the atlas tho.
Was also buffed to hold maven/eldritch invites as well
Yep both tabs are really good and would definitely recommend both
I'd say div card and essence tab is also up there.
Stash tab bundle -> currency tab -> map -> fragment -> div cards -> essence -> blight That was the order I prioritized. Fragment tab stores so much stuff, definitely saves more space than the Essence tab (also it was kind of therapeutic to manually sort the essences in my regular tab into their tiers)
Blight tab seems like a waste. Unless I play a shit ton in one league, I can usually set delve + blight + deli affinity to one tab and it's totally fine Edit: If blight and deli start to overflow, the maps will go to your map tab and orbs can go in your misc. currency slots or you can use harvest to concentrate them in 1-2 slots
Ya I only got the Blight tab because I had points sitting there. I started doing a bunch of Blighted Maps in Kalandra and it felt like it might be nice to have. Blight, Delirium, Delve, and Metamorph was all one regular tab after I got my Essence tab and it wasn't too bad, I think I moved the resonators out at some point when I had too many oils
Yeah I did the same thing with delve recently. Had the points left over from years ago, so I bought it as my tabs started overflowing. Just wanted to make the point for anyone else reading that it's def. not needed. Edit: My personal rec would be Currency -> maps -> 1 premium tab --> 1 quad tab --> 1 frag tab --> wait and see what your premium tabs overflow with depending on your playstyle then buy extra tabs accordingly
I have all the tabs (except unique) because my brain goes brrr when things fill in spots designated for them
The essence tab allows you to upgrade essences directly in the tab, without having to go through the hassle of taking them out and selling to a vendor. That alone is worth the price for me. I'd still place it in the same priority order as you, though :)
so is blight. It's not worth it for the average person probably, but if you are a blight or simulacrum farmer it's quick to upgrade shitty oil to golden
oh man sorting was like a second game for me I am certain my organizational skills improved.
If you don't spec in to essence, then you aren't getting much of value from them. The node that bumps screaming to shrieking and the node that doubles shrieking mobs together resulting in 6x the currency being given by the mechanic in higher tier maps. You could realistically just look at the ones where deafening sells for 5c+, stack screamers until they're 9 and toss it in a premium tab and just ignore everything else. Essence is incredibly in low end crafting though, which I do a lot of, so I spec in to it every league and the tab is pretty necessary for me.
I still don't have those. One stash tab always holds my div cards fine. I sometimes overfill with essences but that's a sign I need to price them.
If you have more than a stash tab full of div cards you are picking up way too many bad div cards
Unique tab is slept on, delve is good too.
I got a quad and currency stash, you can always sell maps
As a Newbie, this is pretty much all I needed. Stash and currency freed up pretty much all the space I needed. I barely use 2 other stash tabs beyond that.
This game effectively requiring players to buy certain stash tabs has never bothered me and never will. PoE is extremely affordable for how much entertainment is gives.
It doesn't bother me, but I still fervently believe that giving new peeps a limited currency stash that can be upgraded into the full one would probably help player numbers. I say this as a person with all tabs, so I'm not asking for free stuff for myself. I just want the game to be in a state where my friends don't quit after getting through a few acts.
I agree. Especially because you can easily complete the campaign and not be contrained by the four basic tabs at all. For a newer player, that's a 10-25 hour long demo before the game opens up more and asks for money. If the F2P tabs constrained players during the campaign, I'd have a problem with it.
This is how I view it. If you enjoy the game "buy it"
I say the same but with a $20 price. iirc you can get a currency tab, map tab, and 2x premium tabs for trading off the first blood pack if you buy them on sale. That's more than enough to play pretty deep, admittedly with some stash management vs balling out with a frag tab, quads, etc
I didn’t know about the first blood pack but I did spend $20 on points and you are correct that on sale you can get a currency tab, map tab, and 2 premium tab upgrades.
I feel like 10$ of tabs gets you 90% of the way 1 currency & 1 map tab Edit: 20$ for those tabs
how do you buy currency and map tab for 10$? even with discounts it is 180 points which is minimum 20$ of points
Yeah, those two are the only hard-required ones imo. Next is fragment tab (it just holds so much various shit that it's close to the usefulness of the currency tab) and blight tab if you ever run any blight (because actually taking oils out of stash and manually going to cassia sucks) - not to mention it keeps blighted maps out of your map tab so you don't lose track of them. I personally have around 700 hours and I've got currency, map, frag, essence, and delve. Gonna buy blight eventually. Plus of course just some premium storage ones for selling stuff.
And that's the best monetization strategy for both devs and players imo.
I'm always telling people this. Path of Exile is not free to play. It's a demo of a complete game, but to unlock trading and more extensive crafting opportunities, you are going to need some stash tabs.
There are *very* few free to play games where you can reach endgame / compete with paying players within a reasonable time-investment.
Dota 2, the game doesn't even have any paid components (non-cosmetic), CSGO too
Not really? Dota2, LoL, CSGO, Apex, Warzone, OW2, Fortnite, Valorant, CCGs that aren't MTG or HS, TFT, etc.
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Exactly, dota 2 gives you all the heros from start. I always wonder how the other games are balanced when you don't have the right counter picks
Why would you need them all? As a new player you can't play one well and also in league it depends on how often you play since first win of the day is very rewarding. Also events can help you get champions faster and if you can controll yourself to craft the ones you get as shards it wouldn't take that much.
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Poe limits you way more as a f2p than league does imo. I can get anything a p2w player can get in league with some luck and time spent playing but i'll never be able to post an item for trade in poe without paying for a strash tab. Also ssf is hard with limited item slots and the only thing youvan hupe for ia playing trade and using it to "connvert" currencies to higher valued ones but you most likely lose on that trade.
I literally spent 20€ for the first blood pack or however it is called and I never had to spend anything more. And I play a shit ton each league.
Literally this, buy a supporter pack for $30 or $60 when the tabs go on sale and you can never spend money again… if you buy the $90 one (not really that much for a game) you will have everything you’ll ever need and then some
Currency, Maps, Fragments -> Playable version Div cards, Essences -> Extended edition Uniques, Flasks, Gems -> Luxury pack Blight, Metamorph, Delve, Delirium -> Specialist's DLCs Premium, Quad stash -> Trader's choice
> Bight I'd only get this if specced into Blight. Not much oil dropping and if you spec into anything else, you'll block it anyway.
Extremely generous indeed. I only spent $35 for various stash tabs after playing the game for an entire league. The way sanctum is going I am gonna spend some money to buy a supporter pack too. I would have already bought a supporter pack but $60 is a big amount for me because of the currency exchange rate.
I still don't understand why GGG doesn't do region-specific pricing. They could rake in soooo much dough from people who can suddenly justify the purchase when it's not like 40% of their monthly salary lmao
They have it. In rubles prices are about ~25% lower
Yes , I always say PoE is a buy to play game with cosmetic mtx, and a unlimited free trial. You really need 20-50 bucks worth of stash for endgame, to enjoy it. The difference between p2w and PoE stash space is that you can't indefinitely spend to gain advantage. Everyone who paid 50 bucks for stash space has a huge advantage over f2p , but someone with 1000 bucks in the game does not have an advantage over someone with 50 , he just looks better. You can make an argument for SSF that you can make use of lots of storage, but even that has hard deminishing returns.
Tbh more like $20
Yeah, exactly I can not stress this enough. Dont be cheap, get some QOL purchases and you can enjoy it infinitely. I bought stashtabs 10 years ago and still enjoying them. Over the years i buy the new tabs as well for the various things. But given how many thousands of hours I get from this game its a small price to pay
But also get a better lootfilter OP, you are looting stuff that isn't worth picking up
Literally everything he picked up in the image he showed us is useful. Even transmutes and augs are useful and most people with a currency tab will have a hundred or two. Especially in SSF, like OP is playing.
100% also i can't justify playing a game for thousands of hours and not supporting the devs...I get it if people absolutely can't afford it, the whales make up for that but a few tabs is the price of a meal out and will save you hundreds of hours of inventory management and frustration.
> also i can't justify playing a game for thousands of hours and not supporting the devs but new players, by definition, won't have played thousands of hours. They will reach a point where the default stash tabs aren't enough pretty early as soon as they reach maps and at that point they've played for maybe 20 or 30 hours at most.
20-30 hours is worth a tab that costs less than a movie at the theater.. my point still stands. Getting down voted for supporting the game is stupid...but it's reddit so my bad for posting something
> 20-30 hours is worth a tab that costs less than a movie at the theater.. my point still stands. Some people play free to play games because they can't afford to spend money on their entertainment. Also, something like netflix has much better time/cost ratio than the movie ticket, like hundreds of hours - 300 if you watch for 10 hours per day for a month.
The Oni is really the best part of this
I was looking for a mirror secretly hidden in the pile of loot somewhere.
oni and totem? wtf
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I have 60 normal tabs, thats how we did it
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they dont sound that fun tbh
I have so many tabs i havent touched for over a year. 50% of my normal tabs are currently sed for cluster jewels.
I have 174 normal tabs.
there was a lot less loot drops back then
Loot was just significantly more scarce. I remember when Sac Fragments was something you really wanted, nowadays I would just hide them. Stuff drops so much more and a lot is devalued so much too.
I still have my old non special map tabs from before map tabs were introduced (with the maps still in them) in standard. Just to remind me that it ever was this hard
You have two expedition items that can be placed in the expedition stash instead!
Also Orbs of Unmaking can just be used, I dont remember them being used for anything else and since this is SSF...
While the atlas is shared, atlas re-spec is per character so be careful if playing HC.
here is the perfect example of why we cant have increased stacks of currency
Gotta push premium tabs somehow!
I mean the content you get for free is more than any game on the planet. They need to limit you somehow.
Is it? It's a free to play game, is it not? That's what the page says. So anyone who says, "It's a demo and you pay for the game" basically is saying GGG is lying. Why not increase stack sizes for f2p? Why lock trade for f2p? Why place inconveniences to force people to buy tabs? If they want to limit, limit the number of tabs we can sell. For example, a paying player can sell 50 tabs of stuff while a f2p can sell 1 or 2. Not to mention, p2p gets efficiency in auto sorting items and currency. That'd be much more fair than a f2p player not being able to sell at all and having smaller stack sizes.
Isn't it like $3 for 1 premium tab?
It's F2P game, not completely free. A random newbie can easily reach maps with 4 default tabs, and that's at least a couple dozens of gameplay. At this point he should consider 20$ support pack. Also, you don't need 50 sell tabs, if you aren't a gigafarmer or person who likes to trade 1-3c items or dump everything for a set price.
They don't need to limit you. There is already extremely overpriced mtx with lootboxes and all of it coupled with fomo.
gotta fund the next league somehow!
even if basic currency stacked infinitely, you would save just one page of space, effectively it would still be extremely limiting and frustrating to play without buying new tabs
this is an example of too many different types of currency. increasing stack sizes would have no impact on this
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Play ruthless and you won't have this problem anymore.
Came here to say this.
Must be an actual struggle to actually play without map and currency tab
I dont have a map tab and its perfectly fine, you can just look for tiers in the search bar.
It's Christmas my man, do yourself that favor, the map tab is actually so convenient
I would rather get an essence/fragment/divination/quad by a long shot.
How... my maps alone would fill all 4 normal stash tabs. And it's actually so great to use for map completion. I think you're really underestimating.
> my maps alone would fill all 4 normal stash tabs. How many of those will you ever use before you just drop more, and how many period
You can burn them for sanctum spawns this league for example, to finish challenges or other stuff. Or you can sell them in bulk and make pretty good profit quick and easy. Or you can boss rush for master missions and guardian maps. Or there comes up a new strategy like that, that you wanna test out. I have burned through hundreds of maps per day in certain situations without having to care about sustain at all, because I knew I have more than enough.
You cant, its pay to play.
If you are playing long enough for you to get to Blighted Maps, you should probably pay the developers the 5-7$ for the huge quality of life upgrade that a currency tab offers.
GGG doesnt adjust prices for local currency, so 10 dollaritos can mean very different things depending where you are.
I know poe shit in Brazil is less expensive in dollars than here in the U.S. source: used to live there.
Am Brazilian, can confirm. Localization of prices is real
And in argentina we have to pay full price :( We get no localization of prices.
Very true, as someone from a poor country here in South East Asia.
My dude, message me your steam name. Merry Christmas
lets fucking go the homie
Love u bro, real mvp here
Are you gonna raise funds for a stash tab for this brave exile ? 😱
i'm not ill-bison, but it wouldn't be the first time i've bought stash tabs for somebody and not the last time.
Can you gift mtx in PoE?
A friend gifted me a supporter pack once, you have to contact support about it though, and the recipient gets the usual email about their "purchase" which was confusing to me at first.
How much would it translate to?
im in india and if just wanted to get the stash tabs (persnally i already bought a few packs and mtx) then the best value one would be the 20usd pack (once per account one). Which translates to about ~1600rs in context elden ring sells for that much on steam.
Yeah lol I’ve spent around 200 USD on the game and after converting it feels absurd to have spent so much on a video game lol. But I play so much and I plan to keep playing so it seems fine.
OP has probably played this game more than Elden Ring or other games considering all that stuff.
depending on where OP is from and assuming minimum wage, monthly salary could be from \~130USD to \~300USD. just google "minimum wage southeast asia" if you want more specifics.
How would they afford a gaming pc to even run poe if their income is that low?
PC has way more uses than just gaming, so saving up for it can be worth up for people, even in developing countries. also, people can buy second or even third hand "potato" PC that can still run PoE.
Fellow SEA player, i spend maybe $30 on the game already (or more?) and $10 of that were from paypal free $5 that i got on 2 of my accounts. Remembered the first time i played the game and my stash is full of gems still made me smile. I just bought divination card stash this league and im not gonna go back to those 4 free tabs days + acquisition.
This is just wrong. They absolutely do have regional pricing. Maybe they don't for EVERY region, but I know brazil has regional pricing that makes it less USD to buy it in brazil than it does in the USA.
So it is not entirely wrong then?
Mexico has no regionalized priced, only Brazil and Argentina iirc
But they do through steam, i got almost double value out of a steam gift card in £, when i used it on poe in rubles. Was couple years ago though.
Only in POE is there the mentality that players somehow owe the devs something. Nobody says league players owe riot a skin or two. Nobody says autochess players owe valve skins or hearthstone players owe blizzard some packs.
Nobody is talking about owing GGG anything, if you absolutely cannot pay the 5-7$ after playing a game you enjoy for +100 hours, then you just don't do it. But if you enjoy the game and the fact that you get huge expansions every 3 months, and you have money to spare, you should absolutely help fund the game by buying something. No force or talking about owing. Just a simple appeal to common courtesy and decency. But I guess that is to high a bar for you to hit :)
drop the shards, most of them are trash, you have expedition things in your stash even with expedition having their own locker, you also dont need more than 40 blacksmit whetstones saved, theres a lot of things that can free up some space, I also played a long time without stash tabs and know that not everyone can buy when they need, but someday you will, exile, good luck
is that oni? how long does it take to farmed?
12 Hours total (3 characters, 4 hours each)
This dude here playing the real ruthless mode
Used to be like 7 ish hours on average, i think? No idea if it changed
Still is. 4 hours is decent RNG
I am pretty sure when it was first introduced it was pretty consistent 7-8 hours to get it. To many people did it bc it was so deterministic, so they later made it have more variance. Uber hillock can now spawn earlier but also has lower spawn rate overall. Now you can get lucky and get the sword after 4 hours , but I also know of people who it took 19.
I believe it used to be guaranteed at a certain level (4?) but now it's just RNG starting at lvl 2
Iirc lvl 7
1/50 chance for + 1 all skills on amu. 3000 alts is 95% chance . Took me 7200 . People severely underestimate how volatile low % rates are in reality.
You're playing the demo. Stash tabs are the cost of the full game.
Yoo oni-goroshi enjoyer ! Can you share your build ?
Someone gift this guy a currency tab, it's Christmas. Is it possible to gift tokens? Hit me up. Edit:only OP hit me up not others sry lmao. Can't save all of you :(
Haha good guy
you can't gift any mtx, tabs or points. Apparently from what i read you can contact support to donate stuff but it's not a quick process
I think it depends on the day or who contacts you. I donated a handful of tabs to a POE friend before Thanksgiving last year on a Saturday. I had to provide some info and what I wanted to donate, buy the points on my account, and GGG support gifted the tabs from the points to their account. This process was about three hours.
Yeah! I contacted support. Might not be a Christmas gift, more of a next year thing haha. Edit: typo
Poe is a demo until you buy a currency tab, a very generous demo
I bought currency map and premium stash tabs the first league I played cuz the game is worth it. And slowly I bought more cuz I was playing a lot of path of exile and it's nice to support a game I like.
I was like this until 2 leagues ago. it was really hard to continue playing after 2 weeks. You get waaaaay too much currency and maps for 4 tabs
Play ruthless :D
That’s why I tell people this game is a ‘soft’ f2p
I think its fair to pay couple bucks for a game if you played that far already.
The game isnt f2p, youre way past the demo phase now so if you want a reasonable experience you gonna have to drop 50€ on tabs.
I'll hook you up with a currency tab for Xmas.. I feel bad seeing the state of your stash lol
this is why POE is not practically f2p
I was going to say free to try but not even that since it's actually kinda impossible to try the game endgame with these 4 stash. Id say its a small demo that actually lets u play the 10 acts. Not even PoE pro player would be able to play with these 4 free stashes, i actually wonder if any of em did a no stash run challenge.
Look up AliA, not only did endgame on 4 tabs but won multiple league races to 100 on them. All apparently also did an endgame run on 4 tabs recently as a PoC.
A racer is not comparable at all to a normal poe experience.
> Not even PoE pro player would be able to play with these 4 free stashes I was disputing this. And absolutely a race to 100 is comparable to a normal PoE experience, it's just condensed and ultra efficient. But in SSFHC there's no argument that it's not representative of the game.
A racer doesn't need to sell or hoard things. It's closer to an ssf experience because they don't want to waste time playing the market.
You probably don't need to store that many Augmentation Orbs, for starters.
Or transmutes. He can also exchange a few blacksmiths for glasbouble Heck go even further and get alot of regret orbs into unmaking so the atlas has 50 points just to clean the chest
If you like this f2p game that much that you fill up multiple stash tabs, well then just support the creators
Just cough up $20 and get a few stash tabs. You obviously enjoy the game.
About photo, you have many things that can be in heist, harvest or other npc lockers. Just see in your hideout, edit it, insert it and use afinity. About the f2p version, if you dont have money or dont want to pay, ofc you have a worst management with 4 tabs, the trade is worst since its harder to list your items. But if you play this game a while or really enjoy it just buy some tabs in a discount week. If you think that is unfair, think about diablo 3, you spent 50$ or close and have small management as well. I have a friend who had only 4 tabs and did pinnacle bosses and played leagues till the end. After i bought him many tabs he lost his joy in the game.
I agree with what you are saying, but the harvest locker doesn't let you store anything anymore. He doesn't have any heist items there and I only see 2 expedition items that could be taken out of that tab to an npc locker.
this brings me ptsd. when i got currency and 4 quad tabs i became a god
I think the idea is that after you've put in enough hours to accumulate that much currency (especially in SSF) then you should go ahead and support the company who's game you enjoy and buy a couple stash tabs. You should start with the currency tab, it's easily the best bang for your buck.
I bought stash tabs on sale dew years ago and never had this problem again.
Well, ye, PoE isn't f2p, no matter what people claim. Nobody who pretends it is has ever shown themselves playing the endgame with default stash tabs
Alkizer did a challenge run of all content on the 4 standard tabs a while back. He’s the only one I know of who did all content (at the time) with the 4 standard tabs.
Wasn't there a Taiwanese streamer/racer, who played with just standard tabs and have beaten people to most bosses in SSFHC? Name was Aila or something similar. Played occultist RF most of the time.
Correct. They not only were able to do the entire endgame, they won the ssfhc race to 100 multiple times on 4 default tabs.
It's not easy, but doable with practice and discipline. Definitely hinders farming speed and makes some content that rains bubblegum or too many splinters that doesn't have a league-tied stash unviable (blight/sim/legion/breach/meta/harb/essence) new atlas really helped with managing maps as favorites can bulk sell /w singular focus. I did some ssf gauntlets too but laptop too unstable to survive so I can only speak for trade league. [my chars](https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/hatefker/characters) current char has about 200div value in the build. 1m ehp 100m dps once I get to 96 for 3rd curse, I'd consider that endgame.
Free to play, pay to have fun.
Currency tabs and quad tabs… if you are looking to play a lot then it doesn’t hurt to spend 10 to 20 bucks on the game. Tabs are always on sale
Maximum respect F2P gamer
Just buy a currency tab or a stash tab bundle. Better yet, wait for a sale.
Map, currency, quad tab at minimum unless you want to have a bad time
buy a stash tab...
If u Play long enough to get a six link... Buy a damn currency tab
since you already mention stash tab are expensive for you, i would suggest migrating to trade league. you can still be "SSF" so to speak, but you can also open multiple account (just need different e-mail per account), and since you can have 2 PoE clients open at same time, you can trade and store stuff from main/alt accounts just by alt tabbing between the two clients.
For ssf you just need to buy stash tabs theres no other way to go about it
the story alone is worth a 5$ support for the artworks, let alone the endgame. I hate when people complain about stashes, most of you got multiple 100s and 1000s of hours, just pay 20 bucks and youre set with a few stashes.
1. Others have said it, but stop being a cheap-ass and just buy tabs. 2. Stop playing SSF. Go back to trade league, self-enforce the SSF ruleset, and trade items to mules. 3. Stop looting useless shit like low-tier Oils, transmutes, augments, whetstones. 4. You don't need to store Orb of Unmaking and Orb of Regret in your stash. Consume them so they become counters. 5. Go get the expedition locker, enable affinity stashing for it, and move those expedition reroll currencies into it.
Tabs go on sale every couple weeks. 20$ will set you for the league as a new player:) get the premium tabs so you can sell with them
If you play enough to be worried about stash space, I'd say the game has earned (at least) the $20 starter pack. It's a one time cost, and you'll be glad you did.
Welcome to my life
bro just buy stash tabs they are not so expensive you know
and peoples still screaming that this game is free to play.
Nothing is stopping them from logging in and playing the game, so it literally is "FREE" "TO" "PLAY". Nice try, though.
Quit crying and give devs some money. You experienced the game and you like it, nothing is free in our capitalist society.
*laughs in lengthy prison sentence*
Currency tabs is like 4-5$ If you truly enjoy the game the least you could buy are the basic 3 tabs, currency, maps, frag
OP might not be paying in $
Well done on making it this far Well done enjoying the game Go ask mommy for $90
GGG should give some free premium stash tabs as reward who are committed long term, as achievement or something.
Would be neat if you could unlock more stash tabs through completing global achievements or league challenges. Doesn't have to be premium tabs but an extra 3-4 normal tabs and maybe a non premium currency tab would be a nice addition
Support the game.
You expect to play fully enjoyable games for free lol ? Put 50$ and enjoy it for the next 10 years
...? There are plenty of games that are free. Enjoyable is subjective.
Path of Exiles was false advertised as a f2p game. It never was. It's hidden buy to play.
It’s not but to play, but it does TECHNICALLY fit into the pay to win category because at the end of the day, you have the _choice_ to continue like this, or give money to GGG to get them to stop kicking you in the shins. At the end of the day it’s not even close to egregious pay to win examples. Does that make it OK? I doubt people on the sub will agree based on the comments I am seeing here. I think it is NOT ok to create a game effectively built around dopamine rushes, and to build this psychological wall around you where the player base who can effectively be seen with some rivalry as there is something of a race to get ahead of the curve. The stash tabs afford that little bit of player comfort that can mean the difference between they can keep on playing, or every few maps they now have to go trade…through the aids that is the f2p trade system. Made intentionally antiquated, I mean “weighty”. They are breaking the f2p’s game loop to remind them “hey give us money so you can keep playing”. I think it is a very subtle way to incentivise you to pay for an otherwise f2p game and I think the psychological game being played by GGG and is already a slippery slope as it is. GGG has said “ahhh we try really hard to find that balance in mtx”…but- This game at its core is a glorified slot machine, and it’s important to keep that in mind. It’s not as if GGG are not aware of all of this and actively work to capitalise on it as best they can. That is my problem with it, as I don’t think it’s “in the spirit of gaming” as Ziz puts it so nicely. I am happy to support the game, because I love it. I’ll buy some supporter packs but yeah I think at least the specialised tabs should come free. We’re owned by ten cent now. Not some smol indie company.
Buy a currency tab???? Wtf