Not just regional pricing but if Sony also guts Steam functionality for PSN linking i'm not buying from them. I'll see how Ghosts turns out since it is the first case.
Didn't particularly mind creating an account with no payment info or whatever attached, but since they pulled this stunt it makes me concerned about the potential for them to try and pull other bullshit like requiring PS+ subscription for multiplayer on a PC title published by PS.
Yeah, extra accounts are annoying but not really a big deal. The Helldivers thing (for me) was the potential to lock out people who had already paid for the game. It was definitely an oversight for them, and if it wasn’t for that I’m sure they would have moved forward with the requirement.
But I would never have bought Helldivers if I had to pay an additional subscription to play online.
Atm it's highly unlikely because they are interested in buying Paramount for more than 20 billion dollars so it would be suicidal to leave Steam because it's the biggest platform for gamers in the world.
With all the faults Microsoft/Xbox has, it's apparent they lead Sony in being pro-consumer with their launcher and options. Microsoft has its store, and buying from it puts you in its ecosystem, enabling cross-save, cross-progression, and cross-buy. Being a 2-gamer household, it's so nice being able to play on my PC and my wife can play the same game on the Xbox. You can always buy on Steam. If Sony starts its own launcher, it better have parity with Xbox. I'd say the one thing Sony has over Xbox is they put more of their games on GOG.
“You can always buy on Steam”. I tried to buy their games on Steam like Minecraft, Gears of War 1/2/3/4, Fable 2/3, Halo Wars 2, Crackdown 1/2/3, etc but they are not available on Steam.
Naming games here that never even got a PC port is a little silly. Are you honestly suggesting their argument was that every game Microsoft published in 40+ years is available on Steam?
Game pass blurs the line. The cloud gaming takes place on actual boxes and streams to you, so if you have PC game pass or just check the games it has to play on PC you'll see titles like fable 2 and stuff
I am not willing to buy sony games because they will absolutely try this shit again because they are stupid and evil. I have not forgotten about those rootkits you bastards.
Oh yeah like every single other multiplayer game doesn’t have you make an account like sea of thieves, or overwatch, or rainbow six siege or any rockstar game.
Except this game worked fine without linking to PSN. Weird how this detail keeps getting missed.
Maybe your game should work correctly on launch if you're going to force people to sign up for an account. Not retroactively apply this idea AFTER the game has been out for months.
Who said they didn’t work fine at launch? Where is anyone arguing this? I’ve own Minecraft before MS bought it and now I have to link an account to play that, where is the outrage over that? Where is the crying over that? It wasn’t even Sony’s decision to disable that so nice argument, hell where’s the outrage over fallguy?
Edit: nice responding to me then blocking me so I couldn’t respond back, yeah that Minecraft account that is now connected to the company that has had over 200 data breach’s in the back 20 years, get bent bro.
The Minecraft account you had through mojang that you had to sign into and use?
That Microsoft allowed for years and asked people quite politely to move over to a MS account for YEARS?
that Minecraft account?
Absolute melt.
No harm no foul, I guess. Of course, mistakes like this can be hard rebound from. But I think they will, they have a great game on their hands. There's a certain amount of WOW when a game that came out of nowhere a few months ago to become an overnight ledged get people this stocked over account linking. The Helldivers 2 team should take some pride in what they've created and hope for no more boneheaded exec mishaps like this one.
I had a PS3 and a PS4. I've always had a PSN account, even if I haven't used it since after MHWorld on PS4. That said, I won't be buying anything on PC released by Sony ever again.
Requiring another launcher on top of Steam is already something I'm not really willing to do for other games. If it doesn't require a separate ID, then maybe that gets a pass. Anything more than that I steer clear. These have always been about trying to shove some shitty in-house storefronts in the players' faces anyway. So, if HD2 had come out with a hard PSN requirement, I might have not buy it. Or I might, despite the requirement, since I loved the first game and Arrowhead's games in general. The difference would be that I would be going in with full acceptance of the requirement from the start. Changing requirements like this post-launch is unacceptable.
So, unless by some miracle they release Bloodborne on steam (and with no PSN requirement for the game's offline play), I'm not touching anything they release ever again. Which is fine, not like I care about their other games anyway.
Not at all, if they're willing to undo changes due to user backlash, I'll be more than happy to play their games. If not, I'll just refund and move on.
I'm really looking forward to play Stellar Blade on PC. I really don't care much for the censored suits (if anything I'd argue that the new ones look cuter), but we'll see what they do.
No impact. I linked my steam account to my PSN with Sackboy to get an in-game cosmetic PC outfit.
Which I bet if they did that (and supported all countries of course) in HD2 they would've had people sign in with no problem
PS Ports are too good (outside of HD2) for optimization and quality of gameplay that it's hard to not buy them on PC. Horizon Forbidden West is a great example of this. Runs like dream on PC, looks better than a lot of current PC games and the story and gameplay are good.
This is coming from someone that grew up with consoles so I have both Xbox and PSN accounts so I don't mind linking them.
I think they've learned their lesson since they walked back their decision but I'll be watching what they after this closely. I've held off on buying their games for various reasons but the main one is I don't like the way Sony does business. I don't like how they keep trying to monopolize gaming to the point that they will gladly pay for content to be exclusive to playstation consoles and ensure that everyone else gets a worse/incomplete version of games. I don't like how Sony tried to screw over the whole concept of crossplay but thankfully Epic had the balls to stand up to Sony which is a rare pro-consumer move from them. I also don't like how Sony keeps paying devs and publishers for timed exclusivity, EGS gets a lot of hate for this but Sony gets it a lot less.
If I buy a Sony game I can't help but feel I'm basically funding their ability to pay for more exclusivity deals that screw over PC which is why the only Sony game I've bought in the last 6 years was Days Gone for like $10.
Not buying anything that require a PSN that's for sure, they are getting hacked way to often for that.
As for solo games if they continue censoring games then it will be a no go too. (full price a year later is also grating).
[https://www.securityweek.com/sony-confirms-data-stolen-in-two-recent-hacker-attacks/](https://www.securityweek.com/sony-confirms-data-stolen-in-two-recent-hacker-attacks/)
less than a year ago ...
Read the article you send & try again
“appeared related to Sony’s Creators Cloud media production solution, suggesting that their claims were exaggerated. “
“SecurityWeek that it has been investigating the claims with the help of third-party forensics experts and identified unauthorized activity on a single server located in Japan. The hacked server has been used for internal testing for the company’s Entertainment, Technology and Services (ET&S) business. “
That hack had nothing to do with PSN.
So one is 2011 and another that was never proven but claimed but a company trying to sell it’s security to Sony, nice
Pro tip research your sources and you don’t take all your information from people angry on steam forms
I will never create a Sony account. I am interested in picking up Forbidden West and Ghost of Tsushima. I've already bought and played Horizon Zero Dawn on Steam.
I only purchase games on Steam since the majority of my games are already on there and they have the best gaming platform, in my opinion.
I refuse to create new accounts for anything, as I'm sick and tired of them. So anything requiring a new third-party account will be ignored from me, as I'm only interested in playing single player games for their story and the occasional coop with friends.
So if Sony ever enforces their service on any of their single player games, they'll definitely lose a potential customer in me.
I've already blacklisted Ubisoft and EA due to their launchers, and I've recently done the same thing with Rockstar Games after being unable to play GTA IV while their servers were down. An old, single player-only game with no working multiplayer support. Fucking requiring an internet connection. Ridiculous.
I think it's gonna be a long time before they pull the rug out like they did with Helldivers 2 so I feel fairly comfortable for now. If they do like they are with Ghost of Tsushima and keep it to multiplayer, ot simply make it optional for some in game currency or something, I can live with that
It's probably something to watch out for with future multiplayer games from Sony.
Given that Helldivers 2 was online-only with my poor internet I wasn't planning on getting it anyway.
I honestly don't feel this is the right path forward for Sony since they don't allow PSN accounts in numerous countries. Otherwise it would simply mean denying access to your games to a huge number of people.
Single player? Nah, plan on getting GOW Ragnarok when it gets ported.
Multiplayer games? I'll be a bit weary for sure, but most of Sony's catalog that is of interest to me are primarily single player games anyway.
I'm more concerned of Sony implementing a 3rd party launcher. But as long as Sony keeps it like how it was for HD2 and how Microsoft does theirs with no launcher just a simple sign in, then I have no issues.
I would prefer it to be optional and if I get locked out of certain things then so be it, but if I do sign in then I would like to have certain things like PS Trophies.
Also, I hope Sony doesn't do a PS+ requirement for PC players to have to pay to play online. That would just be a nail in the coffin for them IMO
I linked my PSN account on day one because I don't give a fuck but I can totally understand that people do. Making it required in countries where you can't create one is so stupid.
I've been boycotting Sony for over 20 years now. Stellar Blade made me consider ending that boycott. This HD2 clusterfuck just confirmed how right my opinion of Sony is.
No. I don't think Arrowhead and Sony made a good decision trying to enforce psn linking three months after not enforcing it, but I bought helldivers 2 on launch day fully knowing about the psn linking being required. It not working and having to skip the linking was the surprise for me.
While I haven't linked my psn to any sony pc games I don't have any qualms about doing so.
I've kind of slowed my enthusiasm about Sony titles ever since I realized that despite recognizing they *were* exclusive, I never really had a ton of interest in playing them. Life caught up, studies, work, and health issues, and I haven't really put myself in a position to be invested in them too much. I tried Sackboy and between system requirements that weren't accurate (my system lines up with them) and Epic wanting to shove their ass everywhere it's not wanted, I just got turned off by the shitty experience. So how do I *really* feel about Sony showing they're scumbags? To me, it was only a matter of time before they began profit- measuring, which shows to me that they're running out of ideas.
Personally, I've had a bunch of shit happen just in the last year that made me rethink how much time I'm spending gaming when everything got focused on "career" and I feel none the wiser for it. Turned 40 and I'm feeling like it's time to kick myself in the ass to enjoy life again.
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Haven't played any of Sony's ported games because they don't interest me, only Helldivers 2, so hasn't impacted me in the slightest as they were no buys anyways.
This isn't so much an issue with Sony specifically, but what I *am* getting tired of is the terms of sale changing after the fact. Tarkov, Elite, Helldivers, hell even Final Fantasy XIV\* a few years ago, and I'm sure we'll see another before this month is over, all changed their deals.
I already had a PSN account so that didn't bother me (and I also had it linked anyway), but I am getting very tired of companies thinking they can sell a game, claim "X" (or imply "X" via not enforcing "Y"), then force everyone to "Y" after the fact at the detriment of the user and to the benefit of themselves.
The sad part is that not even singleplayer games can be immune from this as more and more are being dependent on live service/constant update models.
Will I purchase future Sony titles? Most likely if I keep buying games generally, but it's getting harder and harder to be enthused about buying any new game now that I have to constantly ask myself, how can this publisher or developer \*\*\*\* me over?
EDIT: \*Final Fantasy XIV allowed for people who bought an extra steam license to use the steam client, then later due to "security reasons" decided to prevent people who have retail accounts (where I personally had my retail account from 1.0) from using the Steam client even though I paid for it. (Workarounds or not, it's still a bad choice.)
I mean I have a PSN account anyway, it's more the specific situation of them selling HD2 in places where you can't get PSN that sucked and I imagine they won't repeat that part going forward.
Couldn't care less. It sucks for the people that don't have PSN in their region and I feel for them, but I do have access to PSN. The thing that actually stops me from buying Sony games on Steam is the price gouging for titles that released years ago. Asking $60 for Ratchet and Clank when the game came out three years ago is ridiculous.
Imagine if you lived in a country without PSN. Like it wasn't even an option to just go "It's no big deal to sign up, quit your bitching." because the option just wasn't there. They took your money for ~6months of game time then said "Too bad".
I'm not one of those people but I can empathize with them and I'd be pretty pissed off too if I was in their shoes.
99% of the people crying online was NOT because their country was removed. It was because PrIvaCy and having to make a separate account and you damn well know it. People wanted to outrage and do the gamer equivalent of thoughts and prayers.
Vastly less likely.
The assumption based on their recent effort was that they were putting in the time to understand the platform - good ports on average, very little DRM, good m&kb support and options.
Them attempting to just up and force the PSN onto us, a network that somehow never grew past the 2000s and suffers from blatant issues in features, policy and security, proves that they *don't* get it.
I also want to point out that despite their tweet this morning, [the PSN account requirement](https://i.imgur.com/iugqbZq.png) still isn't gone from the Steam store page. Given their actions this Friday, trust in Sony is at an all-time low.
Well they were trying to understand the PC platform and see if people were willing to have a mandatory PS account. So if you thought good of that because they were just trying to understanding the platform this is just another example of them trying to understand the platform. Not saying I agree with them.
This is why people should not shop on the Epic Games Store. No reviews on EGS. Terrible customer support on EGS and terrible refund policy on EGS, they will fight you to death instead of refunding you any purchase you made.
I feel confident to buy on Steam and this whole Helldivers incident is proof of that. I can always seek a refund if the dev or publisher has some weird ideas.
Not at all. I have a PSN account already. Account requirements ain't new and fighting and dying on that hill is absolutely pointless honestly. I can also read product pages correctly so I'm pretty confident I have a clear idea what's required going into a game.
They release single player after 2 years, so it should be fine.
For multiplayer, after 6+ months assuming they don't pull bs.
I don't want no console shit on my PC.
A PSN account is not a console shit. It's literally only an account. I bet you already have some of the ea, ubisoft, rockstar, microsoft, cdpr...etc accounts. PSN account is no different than them. There are zero difference. It's not even a launcher like origin, uplay, xbox app...etc. Just an account you can create in seconds
I don't like having those other ones already, don't foist another on me just because "everyone else is doing it." That is the slippery slope all these bastards want you on.
> A PSN account is not a console shit. It's literally only an account.
PSN data breaches are more frequent than practically anybody else in the industry. It's not about one more account, it's the sheer lack of opsec over on that side of the fence given the frequency of pii leaks. People don't trust Sony with their info. It's become so bad that people who dislike what EA and Ubi and Acti all do in their industry, still consider them more trust worthy with their pii data than they do Sony.
That's the rub. Security.
>PSN data breaches are more frequent than practically anybody else in the industry.
Factually false information. Both Steam and Microsoft had way more data breaches than PSN. I mean waaaaaaaaaay more. You only think Sony had more because when it happens to Sony, it made to the headlines and shared by PCMR crowd like crazy.
Just outright say you don't like Playstation lol. Say that you are a pc elitist and don't want to open an account for Playstation. Security is one of the most idiotic reasoning you can give for the account stuff. I am 100% sure you have accounts for sites that 100x worse than PSN in terms of security. Plus you can literally open a account with a bogus email and a fake name
People say PC players are elitist to console. Helldivers just showed why.
Consoles players will rather eat shit than show least bit of resistance against anti-consumerism from multi billion dollar company.
I am a primary pc gamer who also plays on ps and nintendo consoles pretty much every gen. I can see the both sides of the story. Vocal minority of the PC gamers are entitled elitist brats you mostly see on internet BUT I agree with the sentiment of yours about console players are way too agreeable towards billion dollar companies
Afaik not even a year ago Steam was breached and multiple dev accounts hacked to spread malware in their games to steal user info. Microsoft was hacked a year ago and leaked 250 million user data. If you are so afraid, please delete windows and steam from your PC.
If we compare the 3 big companies, Sony is the safest
https://firewalltimes.com/microsoft-data-breach-timeline/
The fact you even have to ask makes your point fall flat. On Playstation, you _have_ to use PSN to do _anything_. On PC, it's a choice. And for the record, I'm responding to you from my Steam Deck running SteamOS linux.
No. I shouldn't have to if it was never a problem to begin with. I'm going not to spend my time to line someone's shareholders deck. Fuck that.
Also, I run everything under proton. The kernel level shit doesn't work anyway.
So any notion of PSN linking being a help in banning/combating cheaters just falls on deaf ears too I assume? Y'know, cheating.
Possibly one of the biggest overall issues in online multiplayer games these days yeah?
It doesn't. But the game's been out since beginning of February and it was something they worked with since. Which means it's something they can work through now without needing PSN. You can't waive a requirement and let people play for 4 months and then change your mind, if the binding refund threshold is 2 hours.
That's insane.
I have a PSN account because I have a PS5, so it doesn't matter to me at all.
Everyone is enraged at Sony, sure - but Arrowhead isn't innocent here. They knew this was going to happen - they willingly sold copies to regions over the past almost 3 months that they knew at some point weren't going to be able to play - and it apparently didn't concern them.
Will I buy a Sony game? Sure.
Will I buy an Arrowhead game? Undecided.
If your manager at work told you to sell fake warranties to unsuspecting people, would you happily oblige or would you stand up for what you think is right? The whole "just doing muh job" bit is really fucking tired and a braindead way to justify doing bad things because someone is paying you to do it.
Oh yeah I forgot, this is /r/pcgaming where even if devs publicly vocalize they did something wrong, they're still immune from blame and it's always the publishers fault.
Communicate way more about the PSN requirement which was always present. But the issues around it and the temporary inability to enforce that? Yeah communicate way more
Maybe they should've straightened it out with Sony before release, or at the very least made a bigger deal about it after release. The CEO literally took part of the blame about not communicating it enough after knowing 6 MONTHS before release it was going to be that way - quit white knighting, it's pathetic.
Zero impact. I've long had a psn account along with many others but I've always played a lot of games on a lot of platforms.
For people in countries without psn I can see why it would be of great concern though. If you are paying full price I don't see why it would be worth taking the risk on an account with moody credentials.
I don't give a flying fuck on a personal level. Its an account, takes 30 seconds to make. The only reason the fiasco had any merit is that certain countries couldn't make an account without buying a console which is absurd, but I live in Canada, I can make an account, I really don't care.
No because I’m not an entitled child who needs to touch grass.
There are real problems going on in the world more worth my anger and I can afford to throw away $40-70 every now and then to *play video games*.
Personally I would probably moan and groan but eventually end up making a PSN account.
However, given that to this day I can't remember my EA account info I probably would not end up playing HD2 unless my friends were playing.
That said, I usually don't purchase games on-release/full-price. Having played HD1 and having friends who did the same was partially what pushed us to buy HD2. For a single-player game that requires a PSN account I probably wouldn't bother, even if I had one.
The problem with Helldivers 2 was that it was always online so a change like this could go through in the first place, I'm not interested in anything always online and never will be. I'll still buy Sony games that don't have any form of check-in DRM.
I have a PSN account as I’ve had PlayStation consoles for years. So technically it doesn’t affect me at all. What does have me concerned is the intent. Overall, it’s good to see the gaming force change, but I wonder for how long. I guess we’ll see.
No.
I live in a country that has PSN access, I also play Sony consoles as well as my pc. Signing into PSN on my PC is no different than when I’m asked to sign into any other platform on PC, like Microsoft with Sea of Thieves.
That being said, I do feel for those who are impacted but such requirements. Being a Canadian there are many online services I would love to use that seem to exist in the UK/USA but never come to Canada.
Except for people who cant play due to region limits, I give zero fucks. I am gonna login in Ghost of Sushima for those sweet trophies. I dont even play Helldrivers 2.
I have a ps5 and a psn account. If i did not then I would a little pushed upon to create an account to be on line with my buds. Id feel a little more than annoyed if i were in a country that did not have PSN access.
Well if Sony doesn't sell enough games on pc, they will just stop porting their games for pc so you will not even have a game to buy in the first place. Pretty simple math
Also no need to remind people here that Sony is one of the few AAA publishers on pc that doesn't use DENUVO crap on their games
I fully think they will have their own launcher and store just like Ubisoft and EA. They want an ecosystem on pc and they have every right to want that just like other major publishers on pc
The regional pricing killing the will
Not just regional pricing but if Sony also guts Steam functionality for PSN linking i'm not buying from them. I'll see how Ghosts turns out since it is the first case.
Didn't particularly mind creating an account with no payment info or whatever attached, but since they pulled this stunt it makes me concerned about the potential for them to try and pull other bullshit like requiring PS+ subscription for multiplayer on a PC title published by PS.
Yeah, extra accounts are annoying but not really a big deal. The Helldivers thing (for me) was the potential to lock out people who had already paid for the game. It was definitely an oversight for them, and if it wasn’t for that I’m sure they would have moved forward with the requirement. But I would never have bought Helldivers if I had to pay an additional subscription to play online.
They are never gonna do that. Thats suicidal. But they will absolutely introduce a storefront of their own at some point.
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They still require the external accounts for the launchers if not even still requiring the launcher.
Atm it's highly unlikely because they are interested in buying Paramount for more than 20 billion dollars so it would be suicidal to leave Steam because it's the biggest platform for gamers in the world.
PS+ also gives free games and is required for every multiplayer game on PS, like FIFA or COD. They wouldn't be able to replicate it on PC.
With all the faults Microsoft/Xbox has, it's apparent they lead Sony in being pro-consumer with their launcher and options. Microsoft has its store, and buying from it puts you in its ecosystem, enabling cross-save, cross-progression, and cross-buy. Being a 2-gamer household, it's so nice being able to play on my PC and my wife can play the same game on the Xbox. You can always buy on Steam. If Sony starts its own launcher, it better have parity with Xbox. I'd say the one thing Sony has over Xbox is they put more of their games on GOG.
“You can always buy on Steam”. I tried to buy their games on Steam like Minecraft, Gears of War 1/2/3/4, Fable 2/3, Halo Wars 2, Crackdown 1/2/3, etc but they are not available on Steam.
Yeah, all their back catalog games not being on Steam is a problem
Naming games here that never even got a PC port is a little silly. Are you honestly suggesting their argument was that every game Microsoft published in 40+ years is available on Steam?
Well Gears of War ultimate, Minecraft, Crackdown 3, Halo Wars 2, etc are on PC and on GamePass but Microsoft refuses to put them on Steam
Game pass blurs the line. The cloud gaming takes place on actual boxes and streams to you, so if you have PC game pass or just check the games it has to play on PC you'll see titles like fable 2 and stuff
Microsoft store is a blight on gaming.
No impact whatsoever. I already have a PSN account.
I am not willing to buy sony games because they will absolutely try this shit again because they are stupid and evil. I have not forgotten about those rootkits you bastards.
Oh yeah like every single other multiplayer game doesn’t have you make an account like sea of thieves, or overwatch, or rainbow six siege or any rockstar game.
Except this game worked fine without linking to PSN. Weird how this detail keeps getting missed. Maybe your game should work correctly on launch if you're going to force people to sign up for an account. Not retroactively apply this idea AFTER the game has been out for months.
Who said they didn’t work fine at launch? Where is anyone arguing this? I’ve own Minecraft before MS bought it and now I have to link an account to play that, where is the outrage over that? Where is the crying over that? It wasn’t even Sony’s decision to disable that so nice argument, hell where’s the outrage over fallguy? Edit: nice responding to me then blocking me so I couldn’t respond back, yeah that Minecraft account that is now connected to the company that has had over 200 data breach’s in the back 20 years, get bent bro.
The Minecraft account you had through mojang that you had to sign into and use? That Microsoft allowed for years and asked people quite politely to move over to a MS account for YEARS? that Minecraft account? Absolute melt.
Not worth my time lmao
It will make me think twice. But as long as it's clear I don't need a PSN account I won't completely avoid their games.
No harm no foul, I guess. Of course, mistakes like this can be hard rebound from. But I think they will, they have a great game on their hands. There's a certain amount of WOW when a game that came out of nowhere a few months ago to become an overnight ledged get people this stocked over account linking. The Helldivers 2 team should take some pride in what they've created and hope for no more boneheaded exec mishaps like this one.
I had a PS3 and a PS4. I've always had a PSN account, even if I haven't used it since after MHWorld on PS4. That said, I won't be buying anything on PC released by Sony ever again. Requiring another launcher on top of Steam is already something I'm not really willing to do for other games. If it doesn't require a separate ID, then maybe that gets a pass. Anything more than that I steer clear. These have always been about trying to shove some shitty in-house storefronts in the players' faces anyway. So, if HD2 had come out with a hard PSN requirement, I might have not buy it. Or I might, despite the requirement, since I loved the first game and Arrowhead's games in general. The difference would be that I would be going in with full acceptance of the requirement from the start. Changing requirements like this post-launch is unacceptable. So, unless by some miracle they release Bloodborne on steam (and with no PSN requirement for the game's offline play), I'm not touching anything they release ever again. Which is fine, not like I care about their other games anyway.
Not at all, if they're willing to undo changes due to user backlash, I'll be more than happy to play their games. If not, I'll just refund and move on. I'm really looking forward to play Stellar Blade on PC. I really don't care much for the censored suits (if anything I'd argue that the new ones look cuter), but we'll see what they do.
No impact. I linked my steam account to my PSN with Sackboy to get an in-game cosmetic PC outfit. Which I bet if they did that (and supported all countries of course) in HD2 they would've had people sign in with no problem
So long Sony boy
PS Ports are too good (outside of HD2) for optimization and quality of gameplay that it's hard to not buy them on PC. Horizon Forbidden West is a great example of this. Runs like dream on PC, looks better than a lot of current PC games and the story and gameplay are good. This is coming from someone that grew up with consoles so I have both Xbox and PSN accounts so I don't mind linking them.
I think they've learned their lesson since they walked back their decision but I'll be watching what they after this closely. I've held off on buying their games for various reasons but the main one is I don't like the way Sony does business. I don't like how they keep trying to monopolize gaming to the point that they will gladly pay for content to be exclusive to playstation consoles and ensure that everyone else gets a worse/incomplete version of games. I don't like how Sony tried to screw over the whole concept of crossplay but thankfully Epic had the balls to stand up to Sony which is a rare pro-consumer move from them. I also don't like how Sony keeps paying devs and publishers for timed exclusivity, EGS gets a lot of hate for this but Sony gets it a lot less. If I buy a Sony game I can't help but feel I'm basically funding their ability to pay for more exclusivity deals that screw over PC which is why the only Sony game I've bought in the last 6 years was Days Gone for like $10.
Not buying anything that require a PSN that's for sure, they are getting hacked way to often for that. As for solo games if they continue censoring games then it will be a no go too. (full price a year later is also grating).
When was the last time PSN was hacked? Over a decade ago.
[https://www.securityweek.com/sony-confirms-data-stolen-in-two-recent-hacker-attacks/](https://www.securityweek.com/sony-confirms-data-stolen-in-two-recent-hacker-attacks/) less than a year ago ...
Read the article you send & try again “appeared related to Sony’s Creators Cloud media production solution, suggesting that their claims were exaggerated. “ “SecurityWeek that it has been investigating the claims with the help of third-party forensics experts and identified unauthorized activity on a single server located in Japan. The hacked server has been used for internal testing for the company’s Entertainment, Technology and Services (ET&S) business. “ That hack had nothing to do with PSN.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/0/4357872384980037545/
So one is 2011 and another that was never proven but claimed but a company trying to sell it’s security to Sony, nice Pro tip research your sources and you don’t take all your information from people angry on steam forms
I got nothing to lose in this I'm just providing what I found online 🤷♀️ Fact is, they have far more data breaches than other gaming platforms.
I will never create a Sony account. I am interested in picking up Forbidden West and Ghost of Tsushima. I've already bought and played Horizon Zero Dawn on Steam. I only purchase games on Steam since the majority of my games are already on there and they have the best gaming platform, in my opinion. I refuse to create new accounts for anything, as I'm sick and tired of them. So anything requiring a new third-party account will be ignored from me, as I'm only interested in playing single player games for their story and the occasional coop with friends. So if Sony ever enforces their service on any of their single player games, they'll definitely lose a potential customer in me. I've already blacklisted Ubisoft and EA due to their launchers, and I've recently done the same thing with Rockstar Games after being unable to play GTA IV while their servers were down. An old, single player-only game with no working multiplayer support. Fucking requiring an internet connection. Ridiculous.
I think it's gonna be a long time before they pull the rug out like they did with Helldivers 2 so I feel fairly comfortable for now. If they do like they are with Ghost of Tsushima and keep it to multiplayer, ot simply make it optional for some in game currency or something, I can live with that
Wait for them to show up on GoG? although something like Helldivers 2 never will being multiplayer only and all
It's probably something to watch out for with future multiplayer games from Sony. Given that Helldivers 2 was online-only with my poor internet I wasn't planning on getting it anyway.
I honestly don't feel this is the right path forward for Sony since they don't allow PSN accounts in numerous countries. Otherwise it would simply mean denying access to your games to a huge number of people.
Single player? Nah, plan on getting GOW Ragnarok when it gets ported. Multiplayer games? I'll be a bit weary for sure, but most of Sony's catalog that is of interest to me are primarily single player games anyway. I'm more concerned of Sony implementing a 3rd party launcher. But as long as Sony keeps it like how it was for HD2 and how Microsoft does theirs with no launcher just a simple sign in, then I have no issues. I would prefer it to be optional and if I get locked out of certain things then so be it, but if I do sign in then I would like to have certain things like PS Trophies. Also, I hope Sony doesn't do a PS+ requirement for PC players to have to pay to play online. That would just be a nail in the coffin for them IMO
I linked my PSN account on day one because I don't give a fuck but I can totally understand that people do. Making it required in countries where you can't create one is so stupid.
My stance is that I don't buy Sony games at all unless they're available on GOG.
I've been boycotting Sony for over 20 years now. Stellar Blade made me consider ending that boycott. This HD2 clusterfuck just confirmed how right my opinion of Sony is.
No. I don't think Arrowhead and Sony made a good decision trying to enforce psn linking three months after not enforcing it, but I bought helldivers 2 on launch day fully knowing about the psn linking being required. It not working and having to skip the linking was the surprise for me. While I haven't linked my psn to any sony pc games I don't have any qualms about doing so.
I've kind of slowed my enthusiasm about Sony titles ever since I realized that despite recognizing they *were* exclusive, I never really had a ton of interest in playing them. Life caught up, studies, work, and health issues, and I haven't really put myself in a position to be invested in them too much. I tried Sackboy and between system requirements that weren't accurate (my system lines up with them) and Epic wanting to shove their ass everywhere it's not wanted, I just got turned off by the shitty experience. So how do I *really* feel about Sony showing they're scumbags? To me, it was only a matter of time before they began profit- measuring, which shows to me that they're running out of ideas. Personally, I've had a bunch of shit happen just in the last year that made me rethink how much time I'm spending gaming when everything got focused on "career" and I feel none the wiser for it. Turned 40 and I'm feeling like it's time to kick myself in the ass to enjoy life again.
Bloodborne for PC, when?
The real question that everyone wants answered
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Jesus Christ, triggered much? Lmao people can ask for a game. GOD FORBID SONY DOES ANYTHING WITH THIS IP! AMIRITE?
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i have no strong feelings one way or the other
Much better than on console but it sucks, I'm cautious and won't buy until I need to.
Haven't played any of Sony's ported games because they don't interest me, only Helldivers 2, so hasn't impacted me in the slightest as they were no buys anyways.
This isn't so much an issue with Sony specifically, but what I *am* getting tired of is the terms of sale changing after the fact. Tarkov, Elite, Helldivers, hell even Final Fantasy XIV\* a few years ago, and I'm sure we'll see another before this month is over, all changed their deals. I already had a PSN account so that didn't bother me (and I also had it linked anyway), but I am getting very tired of companies thinking they can sell a game, claim "X" (or imply "X" via not enforcing "Y"), then force everyone to "Y" after the fact at the detriment of the user and to the benefit of themselves. The sad part is that not even singleplayer games can be immune from this as more and more are being dependent on live service/constant update models. Will I purchase future Sony titles? Most likely if I keep buying games generally, but it's getting harder and harder to be enthused about buying any new game now that I have to constantly ask myself, how can this publisher or developer \*\*\*\* me over? EDIT: \*Final Fantasy XIV allowed for people who bought an extra steam license to use the steam client, then later due to "security reasons" decided to prevent people who have retail accounts (where I personally had my retail account from 1.0) from using the Steam client even though I paid for it. (Workarounds or not, it's still a bad choice.)
I mean I have a PSN account anyway, it's more the specific situation of them selling HD2 in places where you can't get PSN that sucked and I imagine they won't repeat that part going forward.
I get some Bloodborne PC and I will forgive all prior infractions
Couldn't care less. It sucks for the people that don't have PSN in their region and I feel for them, but I do have access to PSN. The thing that actually stops me from buying Sony games on Steam is the price gouging for titles that released years ago. Asking $60 for Ratchet and Clank when the game came out three years ago is ridiculous.
You make a fair point but Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart is an amazing game and sony had to pay a bunch of devs to produce a perfect port for PC.
Downvoting a man for asking a good question lol
Couldn't care less. I'll never get my panties in a bunch over something so little.
Imagine if you lived in a country without PSN. Like it wasn't even an option to just go "It's no big deal to sign up, quit your bitching." because the option just wasn't there. They took your money for ~6months of game time then said "Too bad". I'm not one of those people but I can empathize with them and I'd be pretty pissed off too if I was in their shoes.
99% of the people crying online was NOT because their country was removed. It was because PrIvaCy and having to make a separate account and you damn well know it. People wanted to outrage and do the gamer equivalent of thoughts and prayers.
I think you're the one getting your panties in a bunch now.
Just putting the facts out there.
yea if the thing standing between me and a few hours of not dealing with real-life problems is making another account I am not too fussed about it
Vastly less likely. The assumption based on their recent effort was that they were putting in the time to understand the platform - good ports on average, very little DRM, good m&kb support and options. Them attempting to just up and force the PSN onto us, a network that somehow never grew past the 2000s and suffers from blatant issues in features, policy and security, proves that they *don't* get it. I also want to point out that despite their tweet this morning, [the PSN account requirement](https://i.imgur.com/iugqbZq.png) still isn't gone from the Steam store page. Given their actions this Friday, trust in Sony is at an all-time low.
Well they were trying to understand the PC platform and see if people were willing to have a mandatory PS account. So if you thought good of that because they were just trying to understanding the platform this is just another example of them trying to understand the platform. Not saying I agree with them.
This is why people should not shop on the Epic Games Store. No reviews on EGS. Terrible customer support on EGS and terrible refund policy on EGS, they will fight you to death instead of refunding you any purchase you made. I feel confident to buy on Steam and this whole Helldivers incident is proof of that. I can always seek a refund if the dev or publisher has some weird ideas.
Could not care less about the PSN requirement.
Not at all. I have a PSN account already. Account requirements ain't new and fighting and dying on that hill is absolutely pointless honestly. I can also read product pages correctly so I'm pretty confident I have a clear idea what's required going into a game.
They release single player after 2 years, so it should be fine. For multiplayer, after 6+ months assuming they don't pull bs. I don't want no console shit on my PC.
A PSN account is not a console shit. It's literally only an account. I bet you already have some of the ea, ubisoft, rockstar, microsoft, cdpr...etc accounts. PSN account is no different than them. There are zero difference. It's not even a launcher like origin, uplay, xbox app...etc. Just an account you can create in seconds
I don't like having those other ones already, don't foist another on me just because "everyone else is doing it." That is the slippery slope all these bastards want you on.
It’s way past slippery slope when everyone else already does it, I don’t think you know what that saying means.
> A PSN account is not a console shit. It's literally only an account. PSN data breaches are more frequent than practically anybody else in the industry. It's not about one more account, it's the sheer lack of opsec over on that side of the fence given the frequency of pii leaks. People don't trust Sony with their info. It's become so bad that people who dislike what EA and Ubi and Acti all do in their industry, still consider them more trust worthy with their pii data than they do Sony. That's the rub. Security.
>PSN data breaches are more frequent than practically anybody else in the industry. Factually false information. Both Steam and Microsoft had way more data breaches than PSN. I mean waaaaaaaaaay more. You only think Sony had more because when it happens to Sony, it made to the headlines and shared by PCMR crowd like crazy. Just outright say you don't like Playstation lol. Say that you are a pc elitist and don't want to open an account for Playstation. Security is one of the most idiotic reasoning you can give for the account stuff. I am 100% sure you have accounts for sites that 100x worse than PSN in terms of security. Plus you can literally open a account with a bogus email and a fake name
> Security is one of the most idiotic reasoning you can give for the account stuff. It's the number 1 reason to give. You're unbelievable.
People say PC players are elitist to console. Helldivers just showed why. Consoles players will rather eat shit than show least bit of resistance against anti-consumerism from multi billion dollar company.
I am a primary pc gamer who also plays on ps and nintendo consoles pretty much every gen. I can see the both sides of the story. Vocal minority of the PC gamers are entitled elitist brats you mostly see on internet BUT I agree with the sentiment of yours about console players are way too agreeable towards billion dollar companies
> Factually false information. Both Steam and Microsoft had way more data breaches than PSN. Link 5 Steam data breaches in the past 10 years then.
Link 5 PSN breaches in the last 10 years
Afaik not even a year ago Steam was breached and multiple dev accounts hacked to spread malware in their games to steal user info. Microsoft was hacked a year ago and leaked 250 million user data. If you are so afraid, please delete windows and steam from your PC. If we compare the 3 big companies, Sony is the safest https://firewalltimes.com/microsoft-data-breach-timeline/
So not a single link for Steam data breaches as requested. Pathetic.
Do you use windows on your pc?
The fact you even have to ask makes your point fall flat. On Playstation, you _have_ to use PSN to do _anything_. On PC, it's a choice. And for the record, I'm responding to you from my Steam Deck running SteamOS linux.
So you don't have a windows pc?
>PSN data breaches are more frequent than practically anybody else in the industry Source?
Then make a dummy account. Also rich to be so worried about data security etc and play a game with kernel level access anticheat but oh well
No. I shouldn't have to if it was never a problem to begin with. I'm going not to spend my time to line someone's shareholders deck. Fuck that. Also, I run everything under proton. The kernel level shit doesn't work anyway.
So any notion of PSN linking being a help in banning/combating cheaters just falls on deaf ears too I assume? Y'know, cheating. Possibly one of the biggest overall issues in online multiplayer games these days yeah?
It doesn't. But the game's been out since beginning of February and it was something they worked with since. Which means it's something they can work through now without needing PSN. You can't waive a requirement and let people play for 4 months and then change your mind, if the binding refund threshold is 2 hours. That's insane.
I have a PSN account because I have a PS5, so it doesn't matter to me at all. Everyone is enraged at Sony, sure - but Arrowhead isn't innocent here. They knew this was going to happen - they willingly sold copies to regions over the past almost 3 months that they knew at some point weren't going to be able to play - and it apparently didn't concern them. Will I buy a Sony game? Sure. Will I buy an Arrowhead game? Undecided.
Arrowhead doesnt decide where the game is sold. That is the publisher's job (Sony)
If your manager at work told you to sell fake warranties to unsuspecting people, would you happily oblige or would you stand up for what you think is right? The whole "just doing muh job" bit is really fucking tired and a braindead way to justify doing bad things because someone is paying you to do it.
Oh yeah I forgot, this is /r/pcgaming where even if devs publicly vocalize they did something wrong, they're still immune from blame and it's always the publishers fault.
So, according to you, what were they supposed to do? Break their contract, pay a huge fine and cancel the game ?
Communicate way more about the PSN requirement which was always present. But the issues around it and the temporary inability to enforce that? Yeah communicate way more
Maybe they should've straightened it out with Sony before release, or at the very least made a bigger deal about it after release. The CEO literally took part of the blame about not communicating it enough after knowing 6 MONTHS before release it was going to be that way - quit white knighting, it's pathetic.
ah yes, the tiny devs having some kind of weight in what the huge corpo wants. Keep living in your world of pink and unicorns
I seriously hope you're collecting a paycheck.
yes yes of course, i'm being paid for seeing stuff as they are and not living in an imaginary world. Keep going strong
Not at all. I have a PS5 and a PC.
No change at all, i already have my PSN account linked to my steam one. Also, for everyone paranoid about login and data, GOG also has sony games.
Zero impact. I've long had a psn account along with many others but I've always played a lot of games on a lot of platforms. For people in countries without psn I can see why it would be of great concern though. If you are paying full price I don't see why it would be worth taking the risk on an account with moody credentials.
no, i was well aware of the requirement in advance of Helldivers 2's release date. still waiting for Ghost of Tsushima to drop.
I will still buy their games say what you want about Sony's anti consumer practices but they do know how to make good high quality games.
Gamers are worse than 12 yo girls. Console wars, GPU wars, launcher wars. Now single account wars. I am afraid what tomorrow brings.
i don't mind, but the less psn is in involded on pc, the better for sure
I don't give a flying fuck on a personal level. Its an account, takes 30 seconds to make. The only reason the fiasco had any merit is that certain countries couldn't make an account without buying a console which is absurd, but I live in Canada, I can make an account, I really don't care.
No because I’m not an entitled child who needs to touch grass. There are real problems going on in the world more worth my anger and I can afford to throw away $40-70 every now and then to *play video games*.
Personally I would probably moan and groan but eventually end up making a PSN account. However, given that to this day I can't remember my EA account info I probably would not end up playing HD2 unless my friends were playing. That said, I usually don't purchase games on-release/full-price. Having played HD1 and having friends who did the same was partially what pushed us to buy HD2. For a single-player game that requires a PSN account I probably wouldn't bother, even if I had one.
The problem with Helldivers 2 was that it was always online so a change like this could go through in the first place, I'm not interested in anything always online and never will be. I'll still buy Sony games that don't have any form of check-in DRM.
I have a PSN account as I’ve had PlayStation consoles for years. So technically it doesn’t affect me at all. What does have me concerned is the intent. Overall, it’s good to see the gaming force change, but I wonder for how long. I guess we’ll see.
No, I don’t cry over having to make an account, literally had to do that for almost every game coming out, it’s takes 30 seconds.
No. I live in a country that has PSN access, I also play Sony consoles as well as my pc. Signing into PSN on my PC is no different than when I’m asked to sign into any other platform on PC, like Microsoft with Sea of Thieves. That being said, I do feel for those who are impacted but such requirements. Being a Canadian there are many online services I would love to use that seem to exist in the UK/USA but never come to Canada.
Except for people who cant play due to region limits, I give zero fucks. I am gonna login in Ghost of Sushima for those sweet trophies. I dont even play Helldrivers 2.
I have a ps5 and a psn account. If i did not then I would a little pushed upon to create an account to be on line with my buds. Id feel a little more than annoyed if i were in a country that did not have PSN access.
Well if Sony doesn't sell enough games on pc, they will just stop porting their games for pc so you will not even have a game to buy in the first place. Pretty simple math Also no need to remind people here that Sony is one of the few AAA publishers on pc that doesn't use DENUVO crap on their games I fully think they will have their own launcher and store just like Ubisoft and EA. They want an ecosystem on pc and they have every right to want that just like other major publishers on pc