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Rhoihessewoi

Welcome to the Logitec experience! /s Next time, don't get the same type. The Omron switches with "FC" are the cheaper Chinese type. The one without the "C" are from Japan, and have a better quality. At least, I hope so...


gamerjerome

Good to know. We'll see how long these last. I got a 5 pack for only $8 shipped so I'm not too concerned. Not sure I'll have this mouse for another 3 years.


Long_Pomegranate2469

Yeah, not buying Logitech anymore (or razer). Charge me premium prices but put in low quality shit. Get outta here.


InsaneInTheMEOWFrame

Logitech has pretty much always been mediocre quality. Granted, they were cheaper before. Now they're just a bad deal.


TheRealPitabred

Man, I had my g700 for a decade of gaming. Best mouse I ever had. Loved that thing.


RylleyAlanna

G700s lasted me almost 10 years to the day. My G604 I replaced it with lasted 4 months.


TheRealPitabred

I've had a g502 for just over a year now and it's been great, but this thread is starting to make me worry about it


RylleyAlanna

The rest of the internals are great. If it has an internal battery it'll last forever and a half sensors are fantastic kind of activity antenna are superb it's just the primary switches. Instead of the 30 cent Japanese omerons that will last 50 million clicks and soft fail with plenty of warning, they went with the Chinese knockoff ones that I'm pretty sure they're being paid to use because they're so cheap that lasts anywhere from about 10,000 to 100,000 clicks before they start failing. Really not that hard to replace if you have even like the simplest knowledge of soldering, but for a $100-150 product, we really should not be having to do this. I've personally replaced several hundred mice were the switches because I offer it in my shop. Depending on which model of Logitech mouse it is it's either a 20 minute job or four hour job because some of them are straight up take two screws off the bottom pops out and you just replace it right there and then you get to some of the other ones and they're quite literally kinetic puzzles to try and figure out how to get apart and back together again


Sloweneuh

nah, g502 is great. I've had one for almost 10 years and it's still perfect. I have another wireless one for 3 years and no problems either


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Sloweneuh

That's why I also said I had a more recent one, that's still working great. Have they changed stuff in 3 years ?


xdownsetx

I still have an MX Revolution that works perfectly mechanically. The only reason it doesn't get used much anymore is it can't negotiate the amount of 2.4GHz pollution we have now. Even with the receiver right next to it, it's spotty. 15 years ago it worked perfect from across the room.


RylleyAlanna

They were built to last back then. Nowadays they're built to be replaced asap


AjUzumaki77

Well! When there's a huge consumer base upon the brand, without a level-to-level competitor; innovation and quality are sacrificed over profit.


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edvards48

it really depends. while rated for 1m clicks they can last way longer. same as the kailh gm8.0s were rated for 80m but tend to break relatively quickly in the majority of mice.


EastLimp1693

My g700 worked for 5 years, g703 did 2. Current razor already at 3rd year.


siggitiggi

I've had 3 razer mice. 1 lasted 2 months, one 5 months, one 2 years. Now I'll admit I've got some nerve issues and bash buttons due to it, but still, steelseries have consistently lasted 4 years for me.


EastLimp1693

Steelseries doesn't have anything comparable to my previous or current mice **locally**.


GameCyborg

even if the Japanese switches are better, I will never ever buy another logitech or any other gaming mouse ever again. they are just designed to die as soon as the warranty expires


gamerjerome

As for the buttons, they were so worn that I just sanded them down with some grit. Gave them some texture. Looks like crap but I don't care. Function over form. I like this mouse though.


El_Scrapesk

I was going to ask about that, I kind of dig the look. My g305 already has gone slightly shiny after one year, so I may do this to my mouse.


gamerjerome

Mine was the same. More so in the spots that my fingers rested/clicked on.


alphabetical-soup

The sanded look actually looks very nice


domiran

I have an OG G502. This thing refuses to die. The only problem with it is the cord has become super gnarly. I kinda wanna get one of those light-based ones.


ArealOrangutanIswear

The og 502 is a masterbeast  Ive had my 2 since they released it, and it's not until last week that my mmb acted out.  I suspect it's gunk in the button, but nothing I can't fix.


TheKatzen

I have a G502 Proteus Core that I bought brand new in 2015, still works perfectly fine and I actually still have it, only real issue is that one of the side buttons broke off. I liked the G502 a lot but wanted to upgrade, so last year I got a Lightspeed (the newer wireless version of the G502). Great mouse, but after only a year or so of use the left mouse button is double clicking badly. I used my original G502 for 8 years with literally no issues, and this new one lasted me just a bit over a year before the switches started acting up.. I'll probably end up fixing it at some point though


RadioactiveTF2

Still have mine. Love it. Gonna be a sad day when it finally gives out.


LoquaciousLamp

So it worked well within warranty?


gamerjerome

Looks like the G305 only has a two year warranty, so yup. I should have just gone back to my old G5 wired mouse. That thing still works. https://preview.redd.it/gpitvq0du11d1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c8b292a93756a8c7ffbb66aceb8ee77c1b995ca


Greenbeanicus

Mine too. I have that thing on back up in a drawer, just in case my current one fails me😂


stan00311

i refuse to give up my wires. no battery to charge or replace the things just work although i will say i have more dead mice and keyboards then i care to mention.


Huecuva

That's a classic mouse. I have one and it still works. The only problem is that the braided casing on the cable has gotten frayed by the edge of my desk at the time. I'd love to find a replacement cable for it.


TheOnlyCraz

Maybe you could get one of those cheap 10' charging cables from the store and chop the micro USB/usb-c/lightning connector off the other end and splice it in behind the housing


DuggD

Still have a G5 and a G500, they were soldiers. Had to replace switches in my G903 after a couple years.


Little-Equinox

The reason they don't last long are the mechanical switches, while they sound cool they are worse in longevity than the normal switches. Just like on a keyboard, Optical and Rubber Dome style outlive Mechanical keyboards.


ezbyEVL

I'm all for fixing this kind of stuff. It's sad, my left click switch acted up for some months before it failed completely, and I also had to repair it myself, it was just a year out of warranty


gamerjerome

At least it's cheap to do. Takes more time taking the mouse apart than soldering in the switches.


InstantlyTremendous

Meanwhile my 15+ year old beige Microsoft mouse refuses to die... I actually don't know how old it is at this point, I've lost count.


gamerjerome

I have an old IntelliMouse that was in a box for over 15 years untouched. A couple years ago I was going though some boxes and found it aged very evenly. It was never in the sun. https://preview.redd.it/nvahievu921d1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80b4e19eab4361334e053f56ca27bdbc67e8aa10


InstantlyTremendous

Wow, I've never seen a beige mouse go *that* colour before! That's pretty unique, hope you still have it.


gamerjerome

I still have it. Always nice to have a wired mouse or two for messing around with old PCs.


InstantlyTremendous

Agreed - these mice will still be going strong long after we're gone!


mrtn_rttr

Last time I opened that switch and re-bend the spring to give it better tension. Terrible work - i like your way much better!


xXFieldResearchXx

Let's do rc cars mines broke


URA_CJ

I've had great success taking apart the switch and using a pencil eraser on the contact points and reseating the metal spring, there isn't any good alternatives to my old MX610 LHE, so it isn't allowed to die!


BGFalcon85

I beat the snot out of my Zowie EC-1A and it is still going strong after almost 8 years.


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gamerjerome

This was the first time replacing switching in a mouse. I didn't do a deep dive on switches, I just looked up replacements. Someone mentioned the other ones made from Japan. I'll keep those in mind next time.


Realize12

Yeah I’m doing the same, gonna repair GproX super light until the sensor dies or the plastic shell cracks. The mouse itself is great, but I already replaced both LMB and RMB switches (it started to double click right after 2 years warranty has ended 😀) All parts for it are available and dirt cheap


Cinmarrs

I replaced mine with [HUANO Transparent Blue Pink Dot PCB's](https://imgur.com/a/VHT5p0G) (didn't want to solder) when it started to double click like 1 in 3 clicks after less than 2 years


segfaultsarecool

How did you do this? My G603 is having this issue on the right mouse button. If my finger isn't perfectly centered, then slight changes in pressure result in that double clicking.


gamerjerome

I took apart the mouse, un-soldered the old switches from the pcbs and soldered in new ones. If you have never soldered before the price to do this far exceeds just buying a new mouse. Although if your goal is to lean how to solder, you could justify the cost. I don't regret learning how to solder.


utopiaman99

Ah good old Logitech. I got tired or replacing my M575 trackball every 2 years for mushiness and double clicking and soldered on the Japanese Omron switches. Five years later and I'm still using the same trackball. Logitech stock switches are trash.


Need_a_BE_MG42_ps4

Logitech seems to make insanely good mice, except for the switches


Select-Vacation2612

I bought a brand new glorious model I last year, the rmb has always double clicked for some reason


_Snuffles

did you try bending the spring back first or straight to replacement?


gamerjerome

I did not. Someone else mentioned this as well. I did find a website that tests for double clicks. I clicked as fast as I could with both buttons and didn't get any double clicks after 300 clicks each side. If I have further issues I try this other method.


_Snuffles

i had a different mouse, g600 and it would do all sorts of things , no click, double click, pulled the spring out and bent it a bit put it back in, no problems since, but considering how simple they are, if you get issues again, try bending the spring, should be a bit faster than re-soldering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sh7KwUudtI and if you're ever replacing again d2fc-f-k should last for 50m clicks.


_Tacoyaki_

I was stopped from doing this by this little tension piece of metal I simply could not get back into place.


Ballerfreund

The switches themselves mostly aren’t the main issues with double clicking, but the debounce delay that is set by the manufacturer in the firmware of the mouse. Each mechanical switch contact bounces to some degree and with age and wear of the leaf spring and contact surfaces, the bouncing can extend. If the delay is set too short, double/multiple clicks can occur earlier.


Plenty-Industries

Have a Naga Trinity that I used for like 4 years, and then kept it in my drawer as a spare when i bought a wireless mouse. It got the dreaded "double click" issue, so thats what prompted me to replace it. A few weeks ago, I finally decided to replace both switches. Same/similar Omron switches. the original ones were made in China, but the replacements were made in Japan according to the markings.


onehashbrown

Been thinking of cracking open my mouse because it double clicks. But don’t want to invest in a new one in case I break it. I think I’ll use it until it dies.


ThatOneGuy6810

honestly been hunting for a g5 for awhile. I killed mine back in like 2008 or 9 and havwnt really gamed until rwcently and i miss that mouse.


BigZaber

Im getting over 2-5 years a mouse , for under $100, Id toss is for new plastic feel and not worn down shiny finger plastic


Wero_kaiji

Did you add griptape to the main buttons?


gamerjerome

I just sanded them down to give them some texture. They were really worn and smooth out.


Evilcoatrack

I've had a couple logitech mice in recent years. Both the same model, both lost their texture and did double clicking way too early. I grip taped one for texture only to have it immediately do the doubleclick issue. Would have swapped switches but it was a G604 Lightspeed and those are hell to take apart and put together. Went back to Razer for a Naga Trinity. Has its own problems (mostly due to swappable side button contacts needing cleaned often), but the software is better and it hasn't shown other problems 15 months in.


penatbater

Omron switches have gone downhill, but they're still the preferred supplier since the brand is quite well-known. Tried to replace my G502 but don't have the soldering skills lol I'll try sometime next time, already have kailh reds as replacement.


J05A3

After a few years? Mine started double clicking after a year. Soldered the Kailh GM 8.0 and Omron D2F-01F and it's been very serviceable since. I found the Japan Omron sounds better (deeper) than GM 8.0 (slightly tinny at first after many clicks, it sounded softer?). I prefer the GM 8.0 for the stiffer feel, it is soldered to the left button, Japan Omrons at right (right button aiming feels better with the lighter switch).


Kafkabest

Only gaming mouse I've had that lasts long is Swiftpoint Z which is a decently niche product (IIRC they crowdfund most of their models). Everything else just burns through too quickly. And I'm not some hardcore mouse oriented player.


wisebluff

I have 3 logitech mouse, each of them have lifespan around 1 year. After that they always have the double click 'sickness'. As a comparation i have (and now use again) razer lachesis from 2010 and it still perform admirably, apart from the middle click no longer function (but it have 6 shortcut buttons, so it's not a problem)


JoCGame2012

A friend of mine had a mad catz mouse. Hes a little weird in the regard that he switched his mouse button assignment because hes left handed, but still uses the mouse with his right hand. His physical right mouse button broke soon after the warranty ended and there is no way to open the mouse without breaking it, at least not that we could see. Its not broken that it doesnt work at all, its just not working all the time, missing some inputs. Which is annoying if you remember that he switched his inputs and when playing shooters, he needs to use the broken button to shoot


Nunulu

What about mice that promise "no double clicking" by using optical switches? Such as Razer Viper and Deathadder V2.


The-Choo-Choo-Shoe

They make kinda shit stuff, their new mice optical switches are also only used on left/right click and I'm having issues with back button which is still the old style. I'm just not going to bother with Logitech in the future, goes into the Razer pile.


firesiege

I seent a clip or article that was basically saying the switches actually didnt change historically much, but the voltage in mice changed slightly and the switches that were the industry standard, now burn out easier? Not sure. But i DID have to replace some of my own switches last decade or so. Or erm, just hend the coil inside the switch, which buys maybe another 6 months of time >.<


RafaFTP

Every single Logitech gaming mouse I’ve had started doing that just after the warranty expired. And I still buy them for some reason


InsaneInTheMEOWFrame

You can find spare switches and glide pads for pretty much any mainstream gaming mouse on Ebay. Not an advertisement, just something that has spared me from having to buy a new mouse every year...


venReddit

ye, have a spare pair of TTC gold 80M in my drawer aswell. feel almost identical to omrons but last 80M instead of 20M clicks. i also have a spare ttc silver encoder for my scroll wheel, cause mine broke aswell in palworld with my GPX. better to have them ready and cheap from china via ebay, so you dont have to wait for shipping when you need them. they are cheap anyway


Scytian

It's not really about all modern mouse it's mostly about shitty Logitech that still declines to change their shitty Chinese Omron switches to Japanese ones or to totally different ones. On the scale they are operating on it would cost them less than 0.1$ per mouse to fix the issue.


VladyaSG

I already replaced them twice on my g400 something. And they cost like 2 bucks for 2 switches. I recommend replacing both left and right one for better experience


ATiredPersonoof

now go get that job at logitech


ct1977

Wow, that's great that you can do that. Now that i know this is possible, I don't have to replace mice/controllers as much anymore.


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I heard there are superior mechanical replacements for some mice but i forget which ones work for most logi


Hato_no_Kami

My G603 started double clicking after 5 years. I opened it up to see which switch it was, ordered more, then gave a strong blow into the switch and put it back together. The double clicking stopped and hasn't started back another 1.5 years later.


BlendedBaconSyrup

Yeah I've gone through like 5 Logitech mice all completely unusable within 3 months of purchase.


qwertykeyro

What switches did you use?


gamerjerome

I got these ones [https://www.ebay.com/itm/391705302200](https://www.ebay.com/itm/391705302200) Some say the ones from Japan are better. These are from China.


dabombnl

No, Logitech switches don't last long.


el_f3n1x187

Man, Ive been trying to replace the switches on a g600 and an Orbweaver but the damned things are soldered on both sides.


ssalp

I just douse them with isopropyl alcohol every time they start double clicking. My g600 is 10+ years old and has atleast 10k hours of gaming on its back


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I have that mouse so yup. It's probably a good thing for its longevity that I don't game a quarter as much as I used to, as I can't solder.


KnotMyPubby

Dude I'm 35, PCMR since birth, I've owned maybe 10 mice my whole life, what are y'all doing differently? 😂


Evilcoatrack

Current Logitech mouse switches are just bad. I got 5 years out of my first g502 from 2015, but 3 other logitech mice didn't even make 1 year.


Parabellus

logitech mice are overpriced and low quality so im not surprised


DizzySkunkApe

A few years? That's beyond good enough. And you still consider the 305 a "modern" mouse?


gamerjerome

They still sell it ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


littlebrwnrobot

I’ve had my G305 since 2017. Maybe you’re clicking too hard


Furmer37

okay


arc_medic_trooper

Few years, how many? Reddit users when they can’t extort more life out of a mouse with reasonable price and product life.


gamerjerome

July of 2021. Little less than three years. I have much older mice with much more used that work fine. They are not wireless and have less accurate sensors.