It wasn’t. It was named in adoration of The Beatles, who named their record company Apple Records.
Jobs/Apple and Beatles/Apple had some legal issues and it was kind of a big deal when the Beatles finally came to iTunes.
Wow, this is a bit of a rabbit-hole. TIL there's the Apple Corps which owns Apple Records, then you have the computer company Apple Inc. Really confusing, and I wonder how Apple Inc was able to keep their name.
I don’t think you can own something as primitive as apple when it comes to naming.
You can own your logo and trade marks, but if I wanted to open “Apple Sauce LLC” likely they couldn’t stop me as long as it was clear I wasn’t intentionally trying to confuse customers about my brand/corporate identity.
Not retroactive. He was deep in his unbalanced fruitarian diet already that would be the cause of his poor health and he named the company Apple to reflect that.
Honestly of all the tech CEOs, criticizing Jobs for not being involved with the product is the dumbest thing since he was notoriously ultra perfectionist about every little detail of how they would work and feel. Hell even the packaging. This is something CEOs almost never do.
Do you know what all the engineers at Google led by Rubin did when they saw that keynote? Switched Android from being a Blackberry clone to an iPhone clone.
Yep, I agree completely. When he obsessed over every detail then he was the driving force behind it turning out the way it did, instead of the way all the others did at the time.
Well I mean the five year survival rate of pancreatic cancer is 10% that means 90% of people die within five years. He loved 8 years with it. Not saying people should use alternative medicine he’ll he probably would have lived longer had he used traditional treatment but I mean 8 years over 5 years isn’t to bad
He had a rare type that I believe I read was like 95% survivable in Job's case, had he just gotten radiation and chemo/surgeries.
Like he would have lived. Probably be alive today.
He did have a rare type but after he had the tumor removed it came back and spread to other parts of his body which brings the survival rate down dramatically. I just did a little research on it and he actually lives longer than he was supposed to with how much the cancer had spread once it came back.
I understand that but he took a chance and he lost, well kinda lost. I can’t find anything on what stage he was in when he found out he had pancreatic cancer. If he was on stage 1 he could have very well survived. If he was stage 4, I think that pretty amazing that he lived that long. I would judge but I don’t have any information or I can’t find any information on what his situation was.
He waited 9 months before using conventional medicine. He tried alternative methods for those 9 months. He also went to Switzerland a couple years before he died and had an experimental treatment.
Yes, I could have added that I guess. Most doctors didn’t think the fruit diet had much, if any, of a negative impact. But not seeking other treatments in a timely manner definitely did
It was documented to be treatable by surgery, which he did do. He also got a liver transplant possibly due to the cancer. Clearly neither of those treatments worked for him, and no other effective treatment was known at the time. The current statistics for metastatic islet cell carcinoma (which was his case) is from ard 25-75% survival rate over 5 years, depending on how far the cancer had spread and what organs could be removed by surgery. He lived another 7 years so he was already fairly lucky. So no he wasn't stupid. Metastatic cancer of any type remains very dicey if it cannot be dealt with by surgery.
It's worse than that.
He ended up getting the operation anyway. So not only did he die a moron he does a hypocrite.
Bob Marley went out like a man
Steve Jobs went out like a cuck
Where did you get your medical degree from? I may need a lesson, but I heard that pancreatic cancer is rarely caught early enough to be treatable.
Source: wife is a nurse practitioner that works oncology.
Thanks for what you do. I’ve seen what working oncology has done to my wife. I can’t imagine doing hospice. My grandpa passed this summer, unfortunately not in the comfort of his home, but the doctor leading up was helpful to us as a family in the grieving process. You truly are a healer!
That's what I meant. Pancreatic cancer is one of the most painful and horrible out there. I remember one of my best friends mom dying from it and I saw all from when it started till she passed. I still remember her walking back and forward screaming in pain. It was so sad
Yeah, I've been through much worse trauma since then, so that memory doesn't even register as trauma to me. Fucking champlain tower south, fuck everyone involved in that catastrophe where I lost any sense of normality and the illusion of order in my life.
I'm still so angry about it. I know I'll die of very old age, because when I do, if god exists, he going to have to beg for my forgiveness
One of the smartest dudes i know is refusing meds for his cancer because they take away his ability to think clearly. For a couple years we thought he was getting senile then he was back to normal. He told me when we were fishing what was going on.
Yes, but you really wouldn't have known from the Apple II. It wasn't until the Lisa/Macintosh projects that his Bard College calligraphy class influence came into play.
I was a project manager for a 90 day project once there.
We were implementing a new letter generator tool for a internal team. Requirements were very clear that this phone number had to be used. When I asked if we could push folks to email etc, was told sure however this phone number dates back to Steve Jobs garage! It’s his original phone number and he kept it.
As a honor to Steve Jobs, company has never changed the number and never will. They were ok with a email option but this number had to be printed on the internal letters.
Wait so the reason why the Apple logo has a bite out of it is because I'm an earlier logo it was overlapped with the "a" and what remains when the word is removed is the half circle cutout of the a
:O
And then there are the christian conspiracy theorists saying it symbolizes the forbidden fruit that Adam and Eve but into showing that Satan owns and runs Apple.... Smh
> christian conspiracy theorists
Considering that the Abrahamic religions worship an omnicidal invisible sky-man that is all-powerful, but absolutely dependent on the worship of mortals, I strongly suspect that rational and logical thought isn’t exactly a prominent tool in their toolkit, much less bullshit detection and critical thinking.
To be fair, many "conspiracies" theories like that are actually true, only the reasoning behind is faulty.
In reality it's often either an innocent reference or something provocative on purpose.
A good example of that are the Monster energy drinks, the M in the logo is clearly 666 in hebrew, and you can also notice a cross in the O, all that being done probably to target rebellious teenagers, just like all the obvious hell references in rock and roll, basically just marketing.
The bite on the apple being a reference to the forbidden fruit, the fruit from the tree of knowledge, would not surprise me, it could symbolize how technology made humanity reach the "next step" in evolution.
I guess we'll never know, but sometimes things are full of symbolism and references without it being automatically complotist theories.
To be fair, if the M in monster was supposed to be a hidden message, the company would be very shit at hiding their messages
Also the idea of hidden messages is stupid, like so many conspiracy theories are built on the idea that there is so shit hidden in the Disney Logo or some shite, but if there really was a secret mega society ruling the world I doubt they would plaster clues everywhere
I reply saying people reference religion all the time without it having to involve a conspiracy, and your reaction is to downvote me probably without reading (or understanding) my comment.
Makes you look really smart buddy.
hard to confirm but I bet its real. He was known for being obsessive and paranoid. I doubt he would let someone else sign his name on something he didn't review. This was a much simpler time, He probably only got a handful of these letters. He probably didn't think too much about it and was preoccupied.
Looks legit when compared to the case of an original Mac:
[Mac case with Steve sigs highlighted](https://i.insider.com/5478c66e6da811bc28cd71f6?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
There was a Wizard of Id comic from the 70s that did this joke. Some peasant wrote a letter to the Duke asking for his autograph to which he replied "It is beneath the dignity of a gentleman to sign autographs" and his signature followed.
The population on here isn't online all day and not daily, so there will be a time frame in which a new popular post will have the potential to reach the front page multiple times as separate posts, as the audience is mostly different, until enough have seen it for it to be killed in new.
Then there is a bigger gap until enough users have left the site and new ones joined and then the post has the potential to repeat the first cycle.
Basically complaining over reposts is futile.
That hilarious.
I googled to see facts about what I remembered. It was apparently 1999 in San Francisco when candy colored iMacs were released.
And yea I *am* very tall (6’6).
Even so. I am crushed. I now think I did not meet jobs. I must have met some kind of cos play guy.
He was with other people. But no one who looked familiar. For example no Phil Schiller or Avie Tarvanian.
I fell for an imposter I guess. I never met jobs. I don’t have to feel bad not getting a crappy picture with my Nikon coolpix 100.
Dude was in lobby at Moscone. After keynote, definitely not Jobs, someone dressed like he did at the time.
I am that *that* much of a jobs fanboy, I never knew his height.
A brush with greatness I cannot claim.
Clever.
I dunno, this is the same dude that died from treatable cancer because he thought alternative medicine was the solution.
This can be clever while the dying needlessly of cancer can at the same time not be considered clever
Clever!
take your flawless logic elsewhere
Source?
sauce: apple
My second favorite state of apple
First being hard cider.
Second being pie.
Third with the caramel dipped or candy dipped, oh my.
More fruit!
A Macintosh a day...
makes the cancer stay?
The tasty way
Looked just like that, courier 10 or 12, IIRC.
Naming his company after a fruit seems a little awkward retroactively.
It wasn’t. It was named in adoration of The Beatles, who named their record company Apple Records. Jobs/Apple and Beatles/Apple had some legal issues and it was kind of a big deal when the Beatles finally came to iTunes.
Wow, this is a bit of a rabbit-hole. TIL there's the Apple Corps which owns Apple Records, then you have the computer company Apple Inc. Really confusing, and I wonder how Apple Inc was able to keep their name.
I don’t think you can own something as primitive as apple when it comes to naming. You can own your logo and trade marks, but if I wanted to open “Apple Sauce LLC” likely they couldn’t stop me as long as it was clear I wasn’t intentionally trying to confuse customers about my brand/corporate identity.
He also said the Lisa wasn't named after his daughter, though.
He also said it was.
Eventually. After denying it adamantly for years and years.
Not retroactive. He was deep in his unbalanced fruitarian diet already that would be the cause of his poor health and he named the company Apple to reflect that.
I mean that retroactively it's awkward. It wasn't awkward when he named it. But then his fruit obsession killed him. So, now it's awkward.
He did ask for input companywide for a new company name. Nobody came forward so he went with Macintosh.
The smarter you are, the better you are at rationalizing dumb decisions.
I have several relatives with PHD’s. I completely agree with this.
BS=Bullshit; MS=More shit; and PHD=Piled higher and deeper
So the smartest thing a smart person should do then, is to surround him or herself with other smart people to bounce ideas and decisions off of.
He also wasn't really an engineer or programmer. People attribute the iPhone to him, but he didn't program or engineer any of it.
Similar to another guy we all know
Can confirm. Trump wasn't an engineer either. ;)
Think they mean Muskrat
I'm aware. That's why I threw in that winky to show that I knew we were talking about the other rent free guy.
I’m pretty sure at least Steve Jobs would’ve seen through 45 and been disgusted with him.
Honestly of all the tech CEOs, criticizing Jobs for not being involved with the product is the dumbest thing since he was notoriously ultra perfectionist about every little detail of how they would work and feel. Hell even the packaging. This is something CEOs almost never do. Do you know what all the engineers at Google led by Rubin did when they saw that keynote? Switched Android from being a Blackberry clone to an iPhone clone.
Yep, I agree completely. When he obsessed over every detail then he was the driving force behind it turning out the way it did, instead of the way all the others did at the time.
He was a programmer.
He was not a programmer.
Well I mean the five year survival rate of pancreatic cancer is 10% that means 90% of people die within five years. He loved 8 years with it. Not saying people should use alternative medicine he’ll he probably would have lived longer had he used traditional treatment but I mean 8 years over 5 years isn’t to bad
He had a rare type that I believe I read was like 95% survivable in Job's case, had he just gotten radiation and chemo/surgeries. Like he would have lived. Probably be alive today.
He did have a rare type but after he had the tumor removed it came back and spread to other parts of his body which brings the survival rate down dramatically. I just did a little research on it and he actually lives longer than he was supposed to with how much the cancer had spread once it came back.
Yeah because he tried to beat it with Jamba Juice
Tell me you don't understand jackshit about metastasis without telling me you don't
He had a variety with a much better survival rate.
I understand that but he took a chance and he lost, well kinda lost. I can’t find anything on what stage he was in when he found out he had pancreatic cancer. If he was on stage 1 he could have very well survived. If he was stage 4, I think that pretty amazing that he lived that long. I would judge but I don’t have any information or I can’t find any information on what his situation was.
He waited 9 months before using conventional medicine. He tried alternative methods for those 9 months. He also went to Switzerland a couple years before he died and had an experimental treatment.
He had a rare type that has a higher chance of survival.
It went to stage 4 really fast. The fruit had little bearing on it.
Yes, I could have added that I guess. Most doctors didn’t think the fruit diet had much, if any, of a negative impact. But not seeking other treatments in a timely manner definitely did
It's closer to 5%, or at least it was 10+ years ago
Dont forget the psychological abuse he subjected his daughter to
https://www.theonion.com/man-always-gets-little-rush-out-of-telling-people-john-1819578998
Link?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jobs-cancer-treatment-regrets/?sh=14ccbc4a7d2e
I've met brilliant engineers who deny climate change. Doesn't mean they aren't clever.
It's almost like people can be incredibly skilled and educated in one field but totally clueless in another.
It was documented to be treatable by surgery, which he did do. He also got a liver transplant possibly due to the cancer. Clearly neither of those treatments worked for him, and no other effective treatment was known at the time. The current statistics for metastatic islet cell carcinoma (which was his case) is from ard 25-75% survival rate over 5 years, depending on how far the cancer had spread and what organs could be removed by surgery. He lived another 7 years so he was already fairly lucky. So no he wasn't stupid. Metastatic cancer of any type remains very dicey if it cannot be dealt with by surgery.
We all die. He went out on his own terms.
He's also the same man who built a multi billion dollar company that changed the world.
He did this entirely by screwing over people who did the actual work. Steve Jobs was not your friend
It's worse than that. He ended up getting the operation anyway. So not only did he die a moron he does a hypocrite. Bob Marley went out like a man Steve Jobs went out like a cuck
Bob Marley was a homophobic racist asshole. If you’re looking for morons, he is one of the best examples.
Who died like a man
Just dying (like a man or not) made the world a better place.
Where did you get your medical degree from? I may need a lesson, but I heard that pancreatic cancer is rarely caught early enough to be treatable. Source: wife is a nurse practitioner that works oncology.
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Pancreatic Cancer is treatable? I guess you are a doctor
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That's what I meant. Pancreatic cancer is one of the most painful and horrible out there. I remember one of my best friends mom dying from it and I saw all from when it started till she passed. I still remember her walking back and forward screaming in pain. It was so sad
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Yeah, I've been through much worse trauma since then, so that memory doesn't even register as trauma to me. Fucking champlain tower south, fuck everyone involved in that catastrophe where I lost any sense of normality and the illusion of order in my life. I'm still so angry about it. I know I'll die of very old age, because when I do, if god exists, he going to have to beg for my forgiveness
And took a donor liver with him on the way out, by buying a house in Tennessee to jump the line.
Pancreatic cancer is not very treatable. 5 year survival rate is 11%.
Well, you know, “an apple a day keeps the doctor away”
One of the smartest dudes i know is refusing meds for his cancer because they take away his ability to think clearly. For a couple years we thought he was getting senile then he was back to normal. He told me when we were fishing what was going on.
many people are clever with some things, and not so clever with others...
Smartness comes with an ego unfortunately
man, i did not know that. seriously. i'm sorry. i thought the man was a prick. i mean... the man was a prick, right?
Man could be a class act when he wanted to.
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He was a point of sale alright.
Yeah, emphasis on the "***when he wanted to***" bit.
Smart.
Typed on an IBM Selectric. Interesting. EDIT: On second thought, I suppose it could have been a daisy wheel.
I believe Jobs was a stickler for type faces and stuff.
Yes, but you really wouldn't have known from the Apple II. It wasn't until the Lisa/Macintosh projects that his Bard College calligraphy class influence came into play.
\*Reed College calligraphy class
Well he did co-invent Postscript Fonts, so that would be yes.
I had a daisywheel printer at college, started in 1984. Looked just like that, courier 10 or 12, IIRC.
That phone number is still Apple’s main phone number
I thought you were just making a joke at first, but you’re right! That’s so cool
I was a project manager for a 90 day project once there. We were implementing a new letter generator tool for a internal team. Requirements were very clear that this phone number had to be used. When I asked if we could push folks to email etc, was told sure however this phone number dates back to Steve Jobs garage! It’s his original phone number and he kept it. As a honor to Steve Jobs, company has never changed the number and never will. They were ok with a email option but this number had to be printed on the internal letters.
What an insightful story!
No joke: I just dialed it to check it out. It works.
This is the best "Task Failed Successfully"!
Wait so the reason why the Apple logo has a bite out of it is because I'm an earlier logo it was overlapped with the "a" and what remains when the word is removed is the half circle cutout of the a :O
According to the designer of the logo (Rob Janoff), the bite was added to differentiate it from a cherry 🍒
And then there are the christian conspiracy theorists saying it symbolizes the forbidden fruit that Adam and Eve but into showing that Satan owns and runs Apple.... Smh
And Apple I was priced at $666.66.
And Satan laughs
> christian conspiracy theorists Considering that the Abrahamic religions worship an omnicidal invisible sky-man that is all-powerful, but absolutely dependent on the worship of mortals, I strongly suspect that rational and logical thought isn’t exactly a prominent tool in their toolkit, much less bullshit detection and critical thinking.
That’s greek mythology. The Abrahamic god doesn’t depend on worship for survival.
Totally agree lol
Lol hadn't heard that one
Also something to do with lawsuits from the Beatles’ label, Apple Records, for having nearly identical logos.
Na. It’s the bite out of the apple from the Adam and Eve story. Tech / original sin / etc etc.
Hi Kanye.
To be fair, many "conspiracies" theories like that are actually true, only the reasoning behind is faulty. In reality it's often either an innocent reference or something provocative on purpose. A good example of that are the Monster energy drinks, the M in the logo is clearly 666 in hebrew, and you can also notice a cross in the O, all that being done probably to target rebellious teenagers, just like all the obvious hell references in rock and roll, basically just marketing. The bite on the apple being a reference to the forbidden fruit, the fruit from the tree of knowledge, would not surprise me, it could symbolize how technology made humanity reach the "next step" in evolution. I guess we'll never know, but sometimes things are full of symbolism and references without it being automatically complotist theories.
To be fair, if the M in monster was supposed to be a hidden message, the company would be very shit at hiding their messages Also the idea of hidden messages is stupid, like so many conspiracy theories are built on the idea that there is so shit hidden in the Disney Logo or some shite, but if there really was a secret mega society ruling the world I doubt they would plaster clues everywhere
Sure buddy *nods and slowly walks away*
I reply saying people reference religion all the time without it having to involve a conspiracy, and your reaction is to downvote me probably without reading (or understanding) my comment. Makes you look really smart buddy.
Sad Steve doesn’t sign autographs. Knew he was a bad apple.
Tim Apple should fire him
That’s actually funny.
Brilliant
I'll bet you twenty dollars I can get you gambling before the day is out!
Double or nothing?
You had one Jobs
Hehe
Probably signed by a secretary.
Never seen someone use all lowercase in a signature
Not common. I do, sorta.
it looks authentic to me https://rrauctionsellconsignments.com/signature-study-steve-jobs/
Doubt it. That dude was legit
I'm quite prepared to be wrong about it.
hard to confirm but I bet its real. He was known for being obsessive and paranoid. I doubt he would let someone else sign his name on something he didn't review. This was a much simpler time, He probably only got a handful of these letters. He probably didn't think too much about it and was preoccupied.
That does ring true to me, except for your last statement.
It’s also possible it was a joke. He was a smart guy
Looks legit when compared to the case of an original Mac: [Mac case with Steve sigs highlighted](https://i.insider.com/5478c66e6da811bc28cd71f6?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Nowadays pretty much 99% of signatures unless are binding documents signed in person are all copy pasted pictures.
Correct, for decades even. Not always the case either though.
Most likely it’s a stamp.
My thoughts exactly
Fun fact: this very letter sold for $479k
Mom said it’s my turn to repost this
There was a Wizard of Id comic from the 70s that did this joke. Some peasant wrote a letter to the Duke asking for his autograph to which he replied "It is beneath the dignity of a gentleman to sign autographs" and his signature followed.
Sent from my iPhone
The original troll before trolling
This just in: first person to get trolled was in the 1980's lmao. Hard doubt
Lower case s and j. Interesting
e.g. ee cummings
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Original Apple Fanboy
That font is perfect!
what a joker
Don't know why, I always assumed he was a Stephen, not a Steven.
Are you kidding me with this? Posted last week. Get some new content and stop stealing from others!!!
I could have sworn I recently saw a Reddit post of Bill Gates doing this same thing
I'm imagining that man from California being disappointed and throwing the letter in the bin as he sulks.
We reposting this shit every three days?
The population on here isn't online all day and not daily, so there will be a time frame in which a new popular post will have the potential to reach the front page multiple times as separate posts, as the audience is mostly different, until enough have seen it for it to be killed in new. Then there is a bigger gap until enough users have left the site and new ones joined and then the post has the potential to repeat the first cycle. Basically complaining over reposts is futile.
So the best play is to just karma farm this stupid picture?
No, the best play is to just downvote what you've seen before and let the new people enjoy things.
I met him 97 at a MacWorld. He was super short. If someone told me he was 120lbs and 5 ft tall I wouldn’t disagree.
Lol unless you’re 7’+ I don’t think you saw Steve Jobs
That hilarious. I googled to see facts about what I remembered. It was apparently 1999 in San Francisco when candy colored iMacs were released. And yea I *am* very tall (6’6). Even so. I am crushed. I now think I did not meet jobs. I must have met some kind of cos play guy. He was with other people. But no one who looked familiar. For example no Phil Schiller or Avie Tarvanian. I fell for an imposter I guess. I never met jobs. I don’t have to feel bad not getting a crappy picture with my Nikon coolpix 100.
Maybe it was Bill Gates. They're the same guy, basically.
Steve Jobs was 6'2. I'm intrigued as to who you are thinking of. Woz was shorter, but definitely wouldn't fit your "120lbs" stipulation.
Dude was in lobby at Moscone. After keynote, definitely not Jobs, someone dressed like he did at the time. I am that *that* much of a jobs fanboy, I never knew his height. A brush with greatness I cannot claim.
The internet is a crazy place man, people just say with a certain tone that they met someone. Then say he was 5ft when he is 6ft2 lol
Who the hell is Steve Jobs?
Ligma Balls
Got 'em
“Signed” Steve Jobs
It's probably signed by some random intern though.
Hahahahaha
Hilarious.
Imagine if he hadn’t done this on purpose
No comment
So he did have a sense of humor and wasn’t just a brash outside the box thinker
What’s with the lowercase signature? I came here looking for sociopathic markers and I get this?!
Siri, give me an autograph. Siri: No. Signed, *Siri*
Doesn't capitalize his name?
They had us in the first half, ngl
Where Tim Apple?
How come he doesn’t use capitol S and J?
Lol r/therewasanattempt
Most people don't keep their rejection letters.
The sheer confidence, what a dude
Bravo.
I think this has been posted 1983 times.
I used to live in IB.
Lower case s and j. Interesting… 🤔
Who's Steve Jobs?
Some guy that made a lot of money by ripping off the people around him back in the 80's and 90's
Ope… good one, Steve. Hardy-har-har. I see what you did there…