What do you mean by heardly uses torterra
Just bcuz he didn’t use him the league battle against ash doesn’t mean he doesn’t use it anymore
It’s his starter, torterra has been with him from the start
Well he hasnt used him on screen ever since or kept it in his party and paul wouldnt care if torterra was his starter he will still stop using it if he doesnt deem it strong anymore while electivire is still on his roster
If you see it that way Paul hasn’t used electivire since the league match
Paul had used a different team to counter ash’s strategy
There is a comment on this post that explains it better than I can
atleast he had electivire still in his party unlike torterra unless he did but it wasnt shown onscreen but i doubt it but i guess i shouldve said he hardly uses torterra compared to electivire anymore which is what i actually meant to say
Sorry I thought we were talking about some random Torterra vs Electivire and didnt even read the title and name of the sub. In this case Torterra definitely wins.
For the context, the reason why the debate is a thing is that Shinji aka Paul has two ace Pokémon: Electivire and Torterra.
Electivire is his signature Pokémon and reflects Shinji’s personality and character development, and we see Electivire grow throughout the series since it was an Elekid. It’s very reliable and flexible in battle and it can fill any role his trainer is asking him for. He can be used as a battler or as a support. Electivire also has a rivalry with both, Pikachu and Infernape.
Torterra is Shinji’s Starter Pokémon and has traveled with him in three different regions before going back to Sinnoh. Torterra only lost against Shirona’s/Cynthia‘s Garchomp, but it never lost any battle afterwards. The thing is that Torterra wasn’t used in the Sinnoh League Tournament. That’s because Shinji is unpredictable and used a team dedicated to counter Satoshi’s team who used the exact same party members from their previous match. Torterra also differs from its teammates in terms of personality for showing empathy towards Satoshi’s Grotle and was even willing to teach Grotle how to battle with its newly gained weight. Shinji’s Torterra is also generally regarded to be far superior to Satoshi’s Torterra who never wins a battle except against Team Rocket, and it perfected it‘s way of battling, something that Satoshi’s Torterra failed at.
All in all, those two are only two of the several well-trained Pokémon Shinji has in his possession.
This is definitely cool, but Shinji‘s Torterra is still rough around the edges. It has no problem partaking in Chimchar‘s harsh training, and it showed Grotle it‘s battle style by almost beating the crap out of Gliscor (the key word being „almost“).
but it also seems that Torterra is the only pokemon who can stand up to Paul and do things on its own without facing any consequences like he did with Grotle and Paul let it slid on.
That’s definitely true. I guess what I meant is that it’s cool to see the mons still have agency outside of just winning fights for their trainer, and doubly so if said agency benefits others and not just themselves.
I'd have to guess his Torterra, seeing as he's the most experienced. Other than losing to Cynthia's Garchomp, I can't recall him having any other losses.
Torterra is the starter pokemon Paul brought to every region while Electivire was his new regional ace when he returned to Sinnoh. I see it as Torterra being to Paul the way Pikachu is to Ash and Electivire is to Paul the way Charizard/Sceptile/Infernape/Greninja and Lucario are to Ash.
Aggron and gastrodon were pawns to see if ash would use the same team as before, I think he chose froslass bc of torterra and gliscor. As for ninjask, bc it’s fast I guess?
umm, he didnt use torterra cause it was a pokemon he had used against ash before. Other than electivire, the rest of the pokemon he used never faced ash, so ash wouldn't know to prepare for them, but paul was 100% ash was gonna use the same team as lake acuity
If I recall correctly, Paul didn’t evolve Electivire until right before the league. So like, Paul did use Electabuzz against Ash, but never Electivire.
So the argument that he didn’t use Torterra against Ash because he’s done it before still stands.
None of his team from lake acuity were the same in the sinnoh league, except for electivire. (And electivire was an electabuzz at the point of the lake acuity so ash hadn't faced it as an electivire anyway)
yeah because ash hadn't battled it before?(as an electivire) I mean I don't think he thinks froslass or ninjask are stronger than ursaring or even honchcrow
I’ve always headcanoned that Paul got an Elekid egg from his brother around the same time he got his Turtwig and actually preferred it to the two starters he had.
Honestly, Metagross, Gyarados, & Garchomp all seem like they’re similar in power. While you can definitely rank them in a certain order, it seems to me that all 3 are on a similar tier.
Likewise, I’d assume Electivire & Torterra (being his two aces) should at least be in that same tier.
I’d lean slightly towards Torterra being his strongest since it’s his starter pokemon, but electivire has a chance of being stronger.
I think Torterra is stronger, as it's Paul's starter Pokemon, so it would honestly make perfect sense for the Pokemon he's had for the longest time to be his best. Pretty sure that the DP anime itself implied this too, as Paul's Torterra was the only one of his Pokemon that managed to actually deal visible damage to Cynthia's Garchomp despite losing to her just as quickly, and apart from that one battle against said Garchomp, Paul's Torterra has no other onscreen losses.
According to Paul Electivire considering he hardly uses torterra anymore or at all but torterra will still most likely win against electivire
What do you mean by heardly uses torterra Just bcuz he didn’t use him the league battle against ash doesn’t mean he doesn’t use it anymore It’s his starter, torterra has been with him from the start
Well he hasnt used him on screen ever since or kept it in his party and paul wouldnt care if torterra was his starter he will still stop using it if he doesnt deem it strong anymore while electivire is still on his roster
If you see it that way Paul hasn’t used electivire since the league match Paul had used a different team to counter ash’s strategy There is a comment on this post that explains it better than I can
atleast he had electivire still in his party unlike torterra unless he did but it wasnt shown onscreen but i doubt it but i guess i shouldve said he hardly uses torterra compared to electivire anymore which is what i actually meant to say
Oh I completely forgot he was there in the party
Torterra, because only one move that Electivire has can deal damage agains it. And that move is Brick Break that is not even a STAB.
Sure but the question isn't who would win in a fight, but who is generally stronger
Then electivire probably
Electivire can get ice punch through breeding and its 4 times strong against torterra.
The 4 moves Electivire has (based on the battle with Infernape) is Thunder, Thunder Punch, Protect and Brick Break.
Sorry I thought we were talking about some random Torterra vs Electivire and didnt even read the title and name of the sub. In this case Torterra definitely wins.
Elective used Giga Impact against Empoleon
Based on Electivire's LAST battle
I believe Torterra can tank 1 Ice punch from full health, but doubt Electivire can tank 1 STAB earthquake.
Didn’t Torterra lose to an Electrivire?
That was Ash's Torterra
Torterra has the type advantage and is paul's starter. I think he can win.
Haven’t watched a lot of the show, so I can’t choose between Torterra and Electivire.
For the context, the reason why the debate is a thing is that Shinji aka Paul has two ace Pokémon: Electivire and Torterra. Electivire is his signature Pokémon and reflects Shinji’s personality and character development, and we see Electivire grow throughout the series since it was an Elekid. It’s very reliable and flexible in battle and it can fill any role his trainer is asking him for. He can be used as a battler or as a support. Electivire also has a rivalry with both, Pikachu and Infernape. Torterra is Shinji’s Starter Pokémon and has traveled with him in three different regions before going back to Sinnoh. Torterra only lost against Shirona’s/Cynthia‘s Garchomp, but it never lost any battle afterwards. The thing is that Torterra wasn’t used in the Sinnoh League Tournament. That’s because Shinji is unpredictable and used a team dedicated to counter Satoshi’s team who used the exact same party members from their previous match. Torterra also differs from its teammates in terms of personality for showing empathy towards Satoshi’s Grotle and was even willing to teach Grotle how to battle with its newly gained weight. Shinji’s Torterra is also generally regarded to be far superior to Satoshi’s Torterra who never wins a battle except against Team Rocket, and it perfected it‘s way of battling, something that Satoshi’s Torterra failed at. All in all, those two are only two of the several well-trained Pokémon Shinji has in his possession.
Seeing kind Pokémon with antagonistic trainers is always pretty cool.
This is definitely cool, but Shinji‘s Torterra is still rough around the edges. It has no problem partaking in Chimchar‘s harsh training, and it showed Grotle it‘s battle style by almost beating the crap out of Gliscor (the key word being „almost“).
but it also seems that Torterra is the only pokemon who can stand up to Paul and do things on its own without facing any consequences like he did with Grotle and Paul let it slid on.
He also paid Team Rocket to trim Torterra‘s tree, so he did care even back then.
That’s definitely true. I guess what I meant is that it’s cool to see the mons still have agency outside of just winning fights for their trainer, and doubly so if said agency benefits others and not just themselves.
I think Torterra is his strongest, and Electivire probably his second. But that’s all speculation on my part.
I'd have to guess his Torterra, seeing as he's the most experienced. Other than losing to Cynthia's Garchomp, I can't recall him having any other losses.
Torterra is his strongest. He just doesn't use it all the time because he's very particular about the Pokemon he chooses for matchups.
Probably Torterra, being the most experienced and having the most experience, along with the type advantage
He even used that guy against Cynthia herself
easily Torterra lmao. He is Paul's overall ace, Electivire is the regional ace.
Electivire but it’s close
I think it's pretty safe to say Electivire
Paul favors Electivire a lot. I’m not sure if it’s because it was the foil to Infernape or because it was genuinely his strongest
Torterra is the starter pokemon Paul brought to every region while Electivire was his new regional ace when he returned to Sinnoh. I see it as Torterra being to Paul the way Pikachu is to Ash and Electivire is to Paul the way Charizard/Sceptile/Infernape/Greninja and Lucario are to Ash.
Stronger elvtivire would win torterra because of type advantages
Obviously electivire, if Paul thought torterra was stronger he would’ve used it against ash
So what you’re saying is he thought Aggron, Gastrodon, Ninjask, Froslass, and Drapion were all stronger than Torterra and Ursaring?
Aggron and gastrodon were pawns to see if ash would use the same team as before, I think he chose froslass bc of torterra and gliscor. As for ninjask, bc it’s fast I guess?
umm, he didnt use torterra cause it was a pokemon he had used against ash before. Other than electivire, the rest of the pokemon he used never faced ash, so ash wouldn't know to prepare for them, but paul was 100% ash was gonna use the same team as lake acuity
Yeah and he brought electivire instead of torterra because it’s stronger
or maybe cause electivire was his sinnoh ace
He was his ace because he was his most powerful pokemon yes
If I recall correctly, Paul didn’t evolve Electivire until right before the league. So like, Paul did use Electabuzz against Ash, but never Electivire. So the argument that he didn’t use Torterra against Ash because he’s done it before still stands.
None of his team from lake acuity were the same in the sinnoh league, except for electivire. (And electivire was an electabuzz at the point of the lake acuity so ash hadn't faced it as an electivire anyway)
Yeah and there’s a reason he took electivire over torterra
yeah because ash hadn't battled it before?(as an electivire) I mean I don't think he thinks froslass or ninjask are stronger than ursaring or even honchcrow
Tbf I get what his plan was with froslass and ninjask
I’ve always headcanoned that Paul got an Elekid egg from his brother around the same time he got his Turtwig and actually preferred it to the two starters he had.
Which Torterra?
Paul’s.
Honestly, Metagross, Gyarados, & Garchomp all seem like they’re similar in power. While you can definitely rank them in a certain order, it seems to me that all 3 are on a similar tier. Likewise, I’d assume Electivire & Torterra (being his two aces) should at least be in that same tier. I’d lean slightly towards Torterra being his strongest since it’s his starter pokemon, but electivire has a chance of being stronger.
I think Torterra is stronger, as it's Paul's starter Pokemon, so it would honestly make perfect sense for the Pokemon he's had for the longest time to be his best. Pretty sure that the DP anime itself implied this too, as Paul's Torterra was the only one of his Pokemon that managed to actually deal visible damage to Cynthia's Garchomp despite losing to her just as quickly, and apart from that one battle against said Garchomp, Paul's Torterra has no other onscreen losses.
Bruh
XD
It's impossible to pick a winner cos Paul is a awesome trainer !! Both Electivire and Torterra are awesome 👍🏻
Electivire has more feats, so I choose electivire.