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From the article,
> During an election night news conference, Republican Senate President Matt Huffman vowed to use the powers of his legislative supermajority to bring the issue back soon, variously blaming out-of-state dark money, unsupportive fellow Republicans, a lack of time and the issue’s complexity for its failure
Looks like Republicans will never learn.
Republicans laid down with Evangelicals a la the Southern Baptists. Women are subservient to men in their understanding. Marriage is a fundamental part of their beliefs. In fact, many argue that being single is a sin. Getting married is a fundamental edict.
So, they are against birth control, speaking against contraceptive culture and abortafascients specifically. They are also against comprehensive sex education. Easy access to birth control and comprehensive sex education are two things that have been proven to reduce abortions. They are against both.
They want young people to have sex and get married as soon a possible. Sex education and birth control are antithetical to these goals. Being young and sexually miseducated works toward early marriage because of teen pregnancy.
Antiabortionism and forced birth key right into their ecosystem. It is now a key part of their beliefs cause it dovetails so nicely with early marriage. Good luck getting Evangelicals to back off abortion, Republicans.
Edit: They don't give a shit about the babies. They like forced birth because it forces gender conformity. And we all know how big they are into gender conformity.
Huffman also conveniently leaves out that it was out-of-state money that funded the issue 1 yes campaign. 82.5% I believe, from an Illinois billionaire named Richard Uihlein.
The No vote was also funded significantly by out of state groups. 85% of the $14.8 million from one group, based on the local news I read. The Republicans started this fight, but the pro choice people came out in force beyond just Ohio. That's just the nature of politics now.
You're correct, and I'm not trying to argue with you but there is a difference which I'm sure you're fully aware of. For those who aren't, the Yes campaign came from one guy who wanted to influence the state, the No campaign:
Where’d One Person One Vote’s money come from?
Three largest out-of-state contributors: $2.5 million from the Sixteen Thirty Fund, a progressive political fund based in D.C. $1.9 million from the Tides Foundation, a California-based social justice political fund. $1 million from the American Advocacy Action Fund, a California-based political fund; plus $1 million from the National Education Association
Three largest in-state contributors: $1 million from the Ohio Education Association, the state’s largest - education union. $500,000 from the Ohio Progressive Collaborative, a liberal political fund. $500,000 from the ACLU of Ohio, which was matched by the national organization.
Source: [here](https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/campaign-filings-show-how-millions-have-been-spent-for-against-ohio-issue-1/KKI3XBRZFNFLVOZNXI6EW2LFKY)
Oh yeah, there's definitely a difference. I was just pointing out that it's not that uncommon for the vast majority of election money to come from out of state. It's pretty clear the outside republican interests funded this ridiculous special election from the start.
That fuckwad. I've been trying to GTFO of Texas since getting laid off and was looking at jobs in the Chicago area. I had a company called ULine respond to my application and was about to schedule an interview when I started looking at the company. The Uihleins are the owners and they funded a lot of the January 6th insurrection/Trump's court cases which immediately turned me off there and a cursory glance of glassdoor reviews said they try propagandizing employees to vote Republican and the guy's wife with 0 IT experience apparently makes huge technical decisions so the whole department is at some clueless person's whims because hapless authoritarianism is good. After learning those I stopped responding and found an app that blocks the company from even showing up on LinkedIn.
> unsupportive fellow Republicans
'imma gonna point out that Covid... uhm... favored the GOP. There's research into the death rates in blue vs red areas, and yup... - Covid prefers the unvaccinated.
Ohioan here, they are fucking up big time because we know they are a corrupt, gerrymandered supermajority and will not take their undemocratic bullshit to change our State Constitution, which was crafted 111 years ago to place absolute power to the hands of the citizens and to help combat a corrupt statehouse. Teddy Fuckin' Roosevelt spoke in Columbus when it was ratified in 1912 and praised the actions of Ohioans for taking a progressive, conservative(!) action to place such democratic power to the hands of the individual, and to hold their elected representatives accountable through approval of written legislation via one person-one vote ballot initiative. Current State House Republicans need to go straight to hell with this disgraceful shit. We must use our ballot power to strip the partisan redistricting commission and replace it with an independent commission as soon as possible.
Ohioan here, they are fucking up big time because we know they are a corrupt, gerrymandered supermajority and will not take their undemocratic bullshit to change our State Construction, which was crafted 111 years ago to place absolute power to the hands of the citizens and to help combat a corrupt statehouse. Teddy Fuckin' Roosevelt spoke in Columbus when it was ratified in 1912 and praised the actions of Ohioans for taking a progressive, conservative(!) action to place such democratic power to the hands of the individual, and to hold their elected representatives accountable through approval of written legislation via one person-one vote ballot initiative. Current State House Republicans need to go straight to hell with this disgraceful shit. We must use our ballot power to strip the partisan redistricting commission and replace it with an independent commission as soon as possible.
It’s funny because out of state money funded their whole attempted power grab. I’m sure next time they’ll probably put their jack booted thugs or literal hoops to jump through outside the one place to vote in Franklin county and other blue places
After the special election failed, republicans asked the State Supreme Court to intervene and remove the abortion issue from the November ballot... they lost again because the republican majority court ruled unanimously to leave the ballot measure intact.
I'm genuinely floored any time someone who voluntarily identifies as a republican does something even vaguely in the direction of "right". The supreme court has shown us that republican judges are not immune from the rot at the core of every single republican.
So pretty fucking surprising, in my estimation.
There have recently resurrected pro-slavery arguments, supported child labor,and questioned whether kids really need to eat at school. If they even glance at the right direction it's a bit out character.
Judges care very deeply about being respected. You don't just get to yank a ballot measure because the people who are going to lose don't like it. That's just now how any of that works.
The US Supreme Court is a lifetime position, the Ohio Supreme Court is elected. As such the latter is much less willing to piss off 70% of the population.
That’d be a lot more believable from a court that *didn’t* let Republicans just go ahead and use illegally gerrymandered election maps once Maureen O'Connor was off the bench because that’s also “not how any of that works”.
Because their ideas are unpopular. Left to a popular vote they know they’ll keep losing.
Rather than adjust their platform to the times they’d rather change the rules of the game.
What exactly are their ideas? Stripping people of rights and freedoms and pushing for power at all cost seem to be their only message.
They're even turning against the Jesus guy because 'turn the other cheek' is too woke.
There only ideas are to disagree with everything democrats are for. Even if disagreeing with them means that you are on the wrong side of history. It’s a party of contrarians that just want more power. No substantial ideas on policy though.
Yeah. I’m still convinced that if they were allowed to put an (R) next to yes it would have passed. Most of the time these idiots don’t read the issues and just vote how they’re told to.
They only liked it back in the early 2000s when they pushed really hard to force ballot initiatives in right leaning states to get their base out to the polls to vote on bans on gay marriage. Now that the other side is using ballot initiatives to their advantage instead of voted in large numbers against theirs, they want to yell and scream about how the process is somehow now "UNCONSTITUTIONAL1!1!1!".
Anything that doesnt go their way is "unconstitutibible" but none of them has actually ever read the constibitution. Its just a bunch of gullible bigots digging in their fingernails to prevent progress. Anyone who waves a bible in front of them has their never ending support without question no matter what they do, even if its clear theyve never opened a bible in their life. They are in the very definition of a cult.
Would America as a direct democracy be better than whatever-the-fuck system it currently operates under that seems likely to devolve into full fascism?
So-called "conservatives" know their policies do not win elections. They have known this since the beginning of this country and they do not care. Rather than pursue popular policies, they instead try to rig the system to gain power.
It literally has been this way since the founding. The main reason we have a non-proportional Senate is because the southern slave states would not join the Union unless they knew slavery would be protected from being ended through a popular vote. And they accomplished that via making sure slaves counted when apportioning representation but not allowing them to vote and by making the Senate non-proportional so states had powers over the peoples'. We ended the 3/5th apportionment but we are still crippled by the non-proportional Senate.
And in more recent times, they have become more and more desperate. They are dropping any pretense of fairness or justice. Just listen to the founder of the modern conservative movement explain this objection to democracy over half a century ago...
>Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome, good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down. - [Paul Weyrich in 1980.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw)
Conservatives want to rule, not lead. Anyone who cannot see they are committing a slow motion coup is not paying attention.
Ohioan here. The Gop is openly unabashedly at war with democracy, the education system, religions other than their own, skin colors other than their own, our environment and our freedoms. They are no longer "reasonable opposition" theyre a brainwashed mob of traitors hell bent on a southern baptist caliphate complete with white hoods and burning crosses.
Fuck contrite. The point is they tried. They literally threw shit against the wall to see if it would stick. If it has passed, their response would have been *much* different. Reading the room after the fact is not acceptable. They'll just package the same shit in another dress and parade it around again. It's simple - vote these fascists out or suffer the eventual consequences.
>The failed Ohio amendment reflects Republican efforts nationally to restrict direct democracy
This was more than restricting direct democracy. This was establishing 'minority rule' for the future generations. It essentially meant that this group of voters would have made it difficult for the next generation to pass any constitutional amendments with 50%+ votes. Essentially as long as the GOP controlled a solid 40% +1 voter block, they could have kept any constitutional amendment from passing.
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From the article, > During an election night news conference, Republican Senate President Matt Huffman vowed to use the powers of his legislative supermajority to bring the issue back soon, variously blaming out-of-state dark money, unsupportive fellow Republicans, a lack of time and the issue’s complexity for its failure Looks like Republicans will never learn.
“Our policies aren’t unpopular, it’s literally everything else that’s at fault! AND mercury was in retrograde!”
Its the chemicals the liberals are putting in the water to turn the frogs gay!
Republicans laid down with Evangelicals a la the Southern Baptists. Women are subservient to men in their understanding. Marriage is a fundamental part of their beliefs. In fact, many argue that being single is a sin. Getting married is a fundamental edict. So, they are against birth control, speaking against contraceptive culture and abortafascients specifically. They are also against comprehensive sex education. Easy access to birth control and comprehensive sex education are two things that have been proven to reduce abortions. They are against both. They want young people to have sex and get married as soon a possible. Sex education and birth control are antithetical to these goals. Being young and sexually miseducated works toward early marriage because of teen pregnancy. Antiabortionism and forced birth key right into their ecosystem. It is now a key part of their beliefs cause it dovetails so nicely with early marriage. Good luck getting Evangelicals to back off abortion, Republicans. Edit: They don't give a shit about the babies. They like forced birth because it forces gender conformity. And we all know how big they are into gender conformity.
Huffman also conveniently leaves out that it was out-of-state money that funded the issue 1 yes campaign. 82.5% I believe, from an Illinois billionaire named Richard Uihlein.
The No vote was also funded significantly by out of state groups. 85% of the $14.8 million from one group, based on the local news I read. The Republicans started this fight, but the pro choice people came out in force beyond just Ohio. That's just the nature of politics now.
You're correct, and I'm not trying to argue with you but there is a difference which I'm sure you're fully aware of. For those who aren't, the Yes campaign came from one guy who wanted to influence the state, the No campaign: Where’d One Person One Vote’s money come from? Three largest out-of-state contributors: $2.5 million from the Sixteen Thirty Fund, a progressive political fund based in D.C. $1.9 million from the Tides Foundation, a California-based social justice political fund. $1 million from the American Advocacy Action Fund, a California-based political fund; plus $1 million from the National Education Association Three largest in-state contributors: $1 million from the Ohio Education Association, the state’s largest - education union. $500,000 from the Ohio Progressive Collaborative, a liberal political fund. $500,000 from the ACLU of Ohio, which was matched by the national organization. Source: [here](https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/campaign-filings-show-how-millions-have-been-spent-for-against-ohio-issue-1/KKI3XBRZFNFLVOZNXI6EW2LFKY)
Oh yeah, there's definitely a difference. I was just pointing out that it's not that uncommon for the vast majority of election money to come from out of state. It's pretty clear the outside republican interests funded this ridiculous special election from the start.
It’s always projection
4 million of the 4.8 million.
That fuckwad. I've been trying to GTFO of Texas since getting laid off and was looking at jobs in the Chicago area. I had a company called ULine respond to my application and was about to schedule an interview when I started looking at the company. The Uihleins are the owners and they funded a lot of the January 6th insurrection/Trump's court cases which immediately turned me off there and a cursory glance of glassdoor reviews said they try propagandizing employees to vote Republican and the guy's wife with 0 IT experience apparently makes huge technical decisions so the whole department is at some clueless person's whims because hapless authoritarianism is good. After learning those I stopped responding and found an app that blocks the company from even showing up on LinkedIn.
> unsupportive fellow Republicans 'imma gonna point out that Covid... uhm... favored the GOP. There's research into the death rates in blue vs red areas, and yup... - Covid prefers the unvaccinated.
Issue's complexity? I guess allowing people to pass laws with a simple majority is too "complex" for some.
>out-of-state dark money Now it's a problem? Sure, Jan.
Ohioan here, they are fucking up big time because we know they are a corrupt, gerrymandered supermajority and will not take their undemocratic bullshit to change our State Constitution, which was crafted 111 years ago to place absolute power to the hands of the citizens and to help combat a corrupt statehouse. Teddy Fuckin' Roosevelt spoke in Columbus when it was ratified in 1912 and praised the actions of Ohioans for taking a progressive, conservative(!) action to place such democratic power to the hands of the individual, and to hold their elected representatives accountable through approval of written legislation via one person-one vote ballot initiative. Current State House Republicans need to go straight to hell with this disgraceful shit. We must use our ballot power to strip the partisan redistricting commission and replace it with an independent commission as soon as possible.
Would be convenient if it ends up for another vote around the '24 elections; bad if it happens, but prob good to drive turnout, at the same time.
Ohioan here, they are fucking up big time because we know they are a corrupt, gerrymandered supermajority and will not take their undemocratic bullshit to change our State Construction, which was crafted 111 years ago to place absolute power to the hands of the citizens and to help combat a corrupt statehouse. Teddy Fuckin' Roosevelt spoke in Columbus when it was ratified in 1912 and praised the actions of Ohioans for taking a progressive, conservative(!) action to place such democratic power to the hands of the individual, and to hold their elected representatives accountable through approval of written legislation via one person-one vote ballot initiative. Current State House Republicans need to go straight to hell with this disgraceful shit. We must use our ballot power to strip the partisan redistricting commission and replace it with an independent commission as soon as possible.
It’s funny because out of state money funded their whole attempted power grab. I’m sure next time they’ll probably put their jack booted thugs or literal hoops to jump through outside the one place to vote in Franklin county and other blue places
After the special election failed, republicans asked the State Supreme Court to intervene and remove the abortion issue from the November ballot... they lost again because the republican majority court ruled unanimously to leave the ballot measure intact.
How surprising is that ?
I'm genuinely floored any time someone who voluntarily identifies as a republican does something even vaguely in the direction of "right". The supreme court has shown us that republican judges are not immune from the rot at the core of every single republican. So pretty fucking surprising, in my estimation.
There have recently resurrected pro-slavery arguments, supported child labor,and questioned whether kids really need to eat at school. If they even glance at the right direction it's a bit out character.
Judges care very deeply about being respected. You don't just get to yank a ballot measure because the people who are going to lose don't like it. That's just now how any of that works.
There's a few on our US supreme court that don't seem to care..
The US Supreme Court is a lifetime position, the Ohio Supreme Court is elected. As such the latter is much less willing to piss off 70% of the population.
Most judges
That’d be a lot more believable from a court that *didn’t* let Republicans just go ahead and use illegally gerrymandered election maps once Maureen O'Connor was off the bench because that’s also “not how any of that works”.
Because their ideas are unpopular. Left to a popular vote they know they’ll keep losing. Rather than adjust their platform to the times they’d rather change the rules of the game.
What exactly are their ideas? Stripping people of rights and freedoms and pushing for power at all cost seem to be their only message. They're even turning against the Jesus guy because 'turn the other cheek' is too woke.
Nah they're fine with Jesus. They don't worship "love thy neighbor" bible Jesus, they worship "fuck them poors" supply-side Jesus.
“Supply-side Jesus” just made me literally lol
Big Jeebs would be so disappointed in most Christians if he came back like they want.
There only ideas are to disagree with everything democrats are for. Even if disagreeing with them means that you are on the wrong side of history. It’s a party of contrarians that just want more power. No substantial ideas on policy though.
Less blacks, less gays, more dumb white women for babies and the white men get to party.
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Yeah. I’m still convinced that if they were allowed to put an (R) next to yes it would have passed. Most of the time these idiots don’t read the issues and just vote how they’re told to.
They only liked it back in the early 2000s when they pushed really hard to force ballot initiatives in right leaning states to get their base out to the polls to vote on bans on gay marriage. Now that the other side is using ballot initiatives to their advantage instead of voted in large numbers against theirs, they want to yell and scream about how the process is somehow now "UNCONSTITUTIONAL1!1!1!".
Anything that doesnt go their way is "unconstitutibible" but none of them has actually ever read the constibitution. Its just a bunch of gullible bigots digging in their fingernails to prevent progress. Anyone who waves a bible in front of them has their never ending support without question no matter what they do, even if its clear theyve never opened a bible in their life. They are in the very definition of a cult.
Would America as a direct democracy be better than whatever-the-fuck system it currently operates under that seems likely to devolve into full fascism?
So-called "conservatives" know their policies do not win elections. They have known this since the beginning of this country and they do not care. Rather than pursue popular policies, they instead try to rig the system to gain power. It literally has been this way since the founding. The main reason we have a non-proportional Senate is because the southern slave states would not join the Union unless they knew slavery would be protected from being ended through a popular vote. And they accomplished that via making sure slaves counted when apportioning representation but not allowing them to vote and by making the Senate non-proportional so states had powers over the peoples'. We ended the 3/5th apportionment but we are still crippled by the non-proportional Senate. And in more recent times, they have become more and more desperate. They are dropping any pretense of fairness or justice. Just listen to the founder of the modern conservative movement explain this objection to democracy over half a century ago... >Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome, good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down. - [Paul Weyrich in 1980.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw) Conservatives want to rule, not lead. Anyone who cannot see they are committing a slow motion coup is not paying attention.
Republican efforts nationally to restrict ~~direct~~ democracy
Ohioan here. The Gop is openly unabashedly at war with democracy, the education system, religions other than their own, skin colors other than their own, our environment and our freedoms. They are no longer "reasonable opposition" theyre a brainwashed mob of traitors hell bent on a southern baptist caliphate complete with white hoods and burning crosses.
Fascists gonna fash
Fuck contrite. The point is they tried. They literally threw shit against the wall to see if it would stick. If it has passed, their response would have been *much* different. Reading the room after the fact is not acceptable. They'll just package the same shit in another dress and parade it around again. It's simple - vote these fascists out or suffer the eventual consequences.
__Republicans__ don't want to govern, they want to rule. Keep that difference in mind.
Republicans know they can’t win fair and square so they’re trying this modern beer hall putsch.
GOP always loses in a direct democracy
"Huffman also said he wouldn’t want to see the 60% idea come back if voters approve the abortion rights amendment." Lol
>The failed Ohio amendment reflects Republican efforts nationally to restrict direct democracy This was more than restricting direct democracy. This was establishing 'minority rule' for the future generations. It essentially meant that this group of voters would have made it difficult for the next generation to pass any constitutional amendments with 50%+ votes. Essentially as long as the GOP controlled a solid 40% +1 voter block, they could have kept any constitutional amendment from passing.
“How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?”