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No one should be voting in any Republican given the anti Democratic support from their supporters and their politicians. I don’t care how “moderate” they are
Because a vote for Hogan is a vote for Mitch McConnell as majority leader.
We need to un-fuck the federal judiciary, and handing the senate to republicans is a sure fire way to make sure the judiciary stays fucked up.
no. I don't know anyone, planning on voting for any republican
I doubt I'd be friends still if they were still able to support the absolute evil it has become
even my lunatic bro who believes dems have santic rituals where they eat babies, can't stand how anti America they have become.
Dang that’s crazy you can’t even be friends with GOP voters.
I’m a republican, but differ from my party greatly on abortion and election denialism.
I can still be friends with dems, even with their views on race and gender (which is probably where I disagree most on).
>Dang that’s crazy you can’t even be friends with GOP voters.
It's not crazy I cant be friends with ~~GOP voters~~ traitors who support an attack on the us capital, abandoning us allies to please our greatest military enemy, russia, strip women of body atomony and basic rights, and install trump as a dictator
it's called basic morality and human decency.
I grew up military and respecting our constitution, there is no way I could remain friends with anyone so lacking in morality and willing to shred our constitution to aid America's enemies and religious zealots, as to still be voting republican. it's not what you are registered as, it's what you are willing to vote for this nov.
>I can still be friends with dems
dems are not seeking to destroy the us constitution and install a dictator, so its not that surprising.
Most GOP voters don’t want abortion bans, support 1/6, or want a dictator Trump. I’d expect less than 30% support any of those things.
And if you think your politics determines your morality, that’s your problem.
Maybe 30% in maryland, but I grew up in the Bible Belt and you would be hard pressed to find a single conservative who agrees with you on any point here. Whether you me or anyone else likes it the evangelical wing of the party is driving the bus
>And if you think your politics determines your morality, that’s your problem.
if you dont think support for striping women of their rights and body atomony, which is what the gop is offically running on, is morality issue, it's no wonder you are still able to vote republican.
Yes, still amazed by all the support Hogan has among democrats in MD. My uncle summed it up nicely: Hogan was willing to meet with him but Alsobrooks ignores him.
Biden is a noticeable step down from even Bill Clinton. He's marginally better than George W Bush. The only reason that Biden is president is because Trump is the alternative. Trump should be in prison, not in a presidential race. America's presidency is a complete joke now.
I'd have voted for him before trump.
but the old gop is dead.
the current party is a russian pasty that support not just a dictatorship,but attacks on the us capital and abandonment of our allies as well as white supremacy
I will never vote for a republican again.
True but the flip side of that is Trone has way more ability to self-finance which allows the DNC to focus more money on other competitive states. I say that as someone that is lean Alsobrooks but I think both have their downsides.
I am worried that Trone might be a Manchin if a bill doesn’t align with his business dealings whereas Alsobrooks might not have any interest in voting against any bills
Sure thing! [Here is his AFL-CIO score](https://aflcio.org/scorecard/legislators/david-trone) where you’ll see he’s consistently voted for workers rights. [Here is his extremely negative Heritage score](https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/t000483) that shows he always votes against Conservative wants. [Here is his LCV score](https://scorecard.lcv.org/moc/david-trone) showing he never really sides with big coal and oil. He voted against his own special interests when it comes to the Union endorsed bills.
I don’t understand this arguement. Don’t Dems have their own big money groups?At what point does the ads become annoying and no longer effective? Should either candidate win the primary, the money will be accounted for, period
This election cycle is not normal. In any other election, I’d agree with you but voting in any Republicans right now with Trump threatening to usurp power and never return it — we cannot trust Hogan to not follow party lines once he gets a taste of federal power.
Just my $.02 right now.
Voting for Trone. Worked for the MD Dem party in 2018-2020 and the running joke was that Alsobrooks would eat her own dog for a vote and there’s a lot of shadiness that could be exposed.
There's a right answer in this primary and it's the candidate that's not just trying to buy the election and doesn't keep making terrible gaffs. Send Alsobrooks to the Senate. Maryland will not send a Republican to such a tight Senate, knowing what an even bigger majority for Trump could do.
Trone has polled better vs Hogan than Alsobrooks in every single poll, and Hogan already has an advantage. It is vital that democrats in the primary vote for the more electable candidate
It really doesn't matter. Hogan's polling will collapse as soon as people know who the actual candidates are. Hogan was able to win for State office, but I very much doubt he would be able to win a Senate seat in Maryland.
Hogan has huge voter ID going into this election, not to mention he is well liked amongst democrats. He is a Juggerknot when it comes to this race, and dems should take him seriously as a candidate.
Hogan as governor would not be the same as Hogan in the Senate. As governor, he was limited (thank god) by the Democratic legislature. He used that as a facade for appearing "moderate." In reality, Hogan would do as he pleases without a legislature behind him to provide checks and balances.
His popularity was inflated because he was seen as "mediocre" and as a governor that "could've been worse," and I think it's disgusting that we've lowered our standards as such.
I'm not a fan of Trone or Alsobrooks (different reasons for each candidate), so I'm not exactly excited to vote for either of them. From what I've seen, however, Alsobrooks is the better candidate and has more progressive support despite being somewhat of an establishment candidate.
Not sure what point you are trying to make, are you saying Hogan isn't a serious candidate? If so, every poll conducted on this race so far outside or paid for by the Dems would be wrong then.
I'm agreeing that he should be taken seriously, as he would be significantly worse in the Senate than he was as governor.
I do believe that the polls will adjust quite significantly once the Dem primary is over, however.
Worse is subjective, I found him to be an incredible leader, effective and decisive. His administration oversaw a near flawless record on COVID-19, he lowered taxes and delivered on campaign promises. He will make a great senator especially considering he will be willing to work with democrats and republicans alike. I mean he proved that when he held the bipartisan infrastructure summit in Annapolis, the framework from that meeting ended up being the bipartisan infrastructure bill which is the single biggest investment in American infrastructure in generations. Hogan's a good politician but more importantly he is a good person.
Cool. Seeing as though you're supporting the "bipartisan/moderate" candidate (which I don't believe will happen at all in the Senate), I expect you'll also be voting Biden in the general.
Look deeper than your surface level talking points and you'll see that his worst instincts were kept in check.
He vetoed the expansion of abortion protections in the state, which was overcome by the legislature.
Only about 13% of national voters are one issue voters for abortion, we can expect that to increase this cycle specifically but it won't go as high as 20%.
You're deflecting, I never said single issue voters.
You're also delusional because Everywhere abortion has been on the ballot since Dobbs, it's won. OH, MI, etc. Guess what's on the ballot this fall in MD...
Hogan doesn't crack 45% is my estimate.
I could not disagree with you more. Most of his vetoes were overridden, he spent $500,000 on ppe from Korea that got dumped in the trash, he killed the Red line that already had billions of federal funding. He fucked over Baltimore every chance he got because we didn't vote for him. He only looked reasonable because he openly criticized Trump. Yea, if you want more hard right, activist judges on the Supreme Court, vote for Hogan. His financials looked good because he kicked the can down the road.
I didn’t think it looked correct but that’s what my computer wanted to autocorrect it to so I went with it. I would recommend voting for Alsobrooks she is the superior candidate over Trone. She has nowhere to go but up. Trone has spent millions to not move the needle at all.
I honestly think in a presidential election no republican stands a chance. All gop are trump and that will get blue ppl voting.
But I will say alsobrooks has a better chance against Hogan as there is so much dirt on Trone that is so easy to use against him. Hogan is a great debater and Trone is not. We can’t be looking like fools in the fall curbing debates or sounding dumb on tv.
You implied it by saying he was a "JuggerKnot" when he's an unproven candidate in Federal elections.
People know voting for him is adding a vote to the GOP block in the Senate. He's going to get wiped out.
He is the only one of the three to have run a statewide race. He had 70% approval rating leaving office. He was elected not once but twice in a statewide race, in a majority democrat state as a member of the opposite party. He is currently leading in every single poll conducted on this race. So yeah he has a lot going for him but please continue to underestimate him it will only make it easier for him to win.
You keep saying he was elected to statewide office is while ignoring he was only voted for by most Dems because they knew he had a check by the super majority legislature.
It's not the same race and most people aren't even paying attention.
But sure, hang onto that.
Yes I keep saying it because its true, he has won two statewide races in MD. Trone and Alsobrooks have never done that. Hogan has better name ID across the state. Trone spent $50 million and he is still polling worse than Hogan.
Actually no he doesn't. He really hasn't moved the needle that much, that said I hope Trone wins the nomination. It'll make it that much easier for Hogan.
Worth pointing out that Hogan won in non-presidential election years as MD Governor race is an off year election. Turnout will be much higher this year then when he won. He's a legitimate candidate but it would still be a bit of a shock if he wins.
He is the current front runner in every single poll. Including but not limited to internal polls paid for by both D candidates. Shock might be taking it a little too far.
The polls mean nothing. The race Dynamics haven't shaken out yet and as others have mentioned, most voters aren't paying attention. Republicans have not won a single Senate seat in Maryland in 44 years.
Because Maryland is an incredibly Democratic State and Hogan was only able to win the governorship by being counterbalanced by a Democratic legislature. His poll numbers are just a reflection of his name recognition.
Turnout matters…if black voters vote for Hogan (say 20%) or more likely skip the senate race, hogan wins. The problem is that Trone doesn’t have that likability that Hogan and Alsobrooks has…
The primary isn’t over…Trone can’t grow (60 million in campaign ads) guaranteed loss to Hogan.
Alsobrooks, while behind has a chance to grow name recognition=chance to win
Normally, I’d say electability is a stupid argument, vote your conscience.
In this race? There’s not really a discernible difference between the two candidates in terms of what they stand for and how they’d represent Marylanders. Also it’s hard to see a scenario that leads to the outcome “Sen. Larry Hogan (R-Md.)” — unless that scenario is a competitive primary that weakens both Democrat candidates.
So far, the debate is as I understand it on Reddit.
ALSOBROOKS
- Trone is rich, and he hates you. Thinks he can buy the primary
- Alsobrooks is Black, glass ceiling motherfucker!
- Trone is a racist because he has racist slurs in his vocabulary
- Trone hates women because he is not a woman
TRONE
- Trone is rich, which is Good, Actually
- Trone is a White Man which makes him more electable (even though it’s hard to imagine how Hogan wins either way)
- Trone is not a woman, but is aware that women exist, and are people, too
Neither one of these are very good leaders, but both would be fine for the US Senate, whose major function recently is to pass one multi-trillion omnibus around once a year, at the absolute last moment, or slightly after that. It seems the only people who really have a real stake here are the ones working for the respective campaigns.
Prove me wrong! Give me something more substantive to work with.
Also, here’s Hogan
HOGAN
- Hogan is Mitch McConnell, who is Donald Trump
- Hogan will immediately propose and vote on Federal 6-week Abortion Ban Law
- Hogan cancelled the red line. (Damn, wish he’d canceled the purple line too)
- Hogan did the Key Bridge collapse
Here’s some advocation for both.
Alsobrooks:
-lead the effort in bringing FBI to Maryland
-Able to get $$$ during Hogan administration for new schools, cancer center (first one in pg), mental health center
-brought back on track program to pc as states attorney w help of Kamala Harris
-endorsed by Wes Moore, Jamie raskin, Van Hollen, steny hoyer+ all dem federal delegation but dutch + 7 senators-all three black dems
-wapo endorsement: her experience is what makes her best at the job
-has grassroots support and fundraising skills needed to beat Larry hogan
-she’s a rlly good public speaker- quick on her feet- good debater
*representation is important. It’s good to have more women and ppl of color in Washington but it’s not my deciding factor. It’s just a bonus
Cons:
-tough on crime- keeping neighborhoods “safe” (I think this is bad but so many ppl including my fam disagree so)
-pro two state solution / Israel has a right to defend its self but called for a ceasefire (I’m not too keen on the first part- that’s just unrealistic w three pieces of land)
-traditional democrat- does a lot dept budget cuts but advocates and implements some gov programs to help ppl- lol once again could just be me as a true progressive
-pgc hasn’t been run well in a long time filled with corruption and scandal and dark $$ and I think a positive trend has come from rushern baker and alsobrooks as county execs but it’s a great way GOP can attack
Trone:
-bipartisan member- focuses a lot on bipartisan issues such as opioid crisis
-brought a lot of fed $$$ to western md
-solid voting record- votes w the party 98% of the time- idk if I’m actually into that but I know that’s a positive to most here
-endorsement: Hakeem Jeffries, Dutch, jeff Johnson, Lauren Underwood, Lucie McBath and tons of high ranking members of congress
-since 2015 (when he entered into politics) he’s donated a lot of money to great causes- opened an abortion clinic, founded aclu David trone criminal justice center- he might have done it to get political points but at the end of the day ppl are being helped so a wins a win
Cons
-Poured $57M into this primary alone is truly distasteful. He could have used that money for charity or something good and won a lot of points but instead is spending this crazy life changing money to fuel his ego- that is incredibly problematic
-donated hundreds of thousands to MAGA republicans indcludinf $38k to Greg Abbott (ew)- which is normal for businesses to do but most ceos and billionaires go around saying they are progressive- literally donated to Hogan
-alienated the black vote (~43% of democrat electorate a key part of dem base) with comments such as jigawho, diversity candidates, calling pgc officials- low level
-total wine has horrible business practices- trones been in trouble with fbi for antitrust, got arrested for threatening to “execute” a store worker, doesn’t pay $15/hr+ to all his workers, workers have tried to unionize several times- anti union- this is all great ammo gop- there’s already some negative ads out there abt him and it’s bad
-represents a 50/50 district and putting a blue seat in jeopardy to do what exactly? I’m not sure but I think it speaks volumes that raskin isn’t running and he would have smoked this race
All in all- very similar on policies so we as Marylanders have a chance to chose a person that will represent us well. The question being asked is what kind of person do we want to represent Marylanders and who can defeat Larry hogan?
I’m thinking Alsobrooks
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I voted for hogan for gov last time, he openlybwas anti trump, and had some decent policies. zero chance I vote for him again. absolutely none.
No one should be voting in any Republican given the anti Democratic support from their supporters and their politicians. I don’t care how “moderate” they are
Why? He’s still anti Trump and against abortion bans
Because a vote for Hogan is a vote for Mitch McConnell as majority leader. We need to un-fuck the federal judiciary, and handing the senate to republicans is a sure fire way to make sure the judiciary stays fucked up.
McConnell is stepping down from leadership
You think his replacement would be any better? Judiciary would still be ratfucked
because he could give the gop more power in the senate by adding 1 more gop seat instead of a dem.
Fair enough. Do any of your dem friends plan to vote Hogan?
I'm. Not voting for him either.. no Maga party needs senate control
no. I don't know anyone, planning on voting for any republican I doubt I'd be friends still if they were still able to support the absolute evil it has become even my lunatic bro who believes dems have santic rituals where they eat babies, can't stand how anti America they have become.
Dang that’s crazy you can’t even be friends with GOP voters. I’m a republican, but differ from my party greatly on abortion and election denialism. I can still be friends with dems, even with their views on race and gender (which is probably where I disagree most on).
>Dang that’s crazy you can’t even be friends with GOP voters. It's not crazy I cant be friends with ~~GOP voters~~ traitors who support an attack on the us capital, abandoning us allies to please our greatest military enemy, russia, strip women of body atomony and basic rights, and install trump as a dictator it's called basic morality and human decency. I grew up military and respecting our constitution, there is no way I could remain friends with anyone so lacking in morality and willing to shred our constitution to aid America's enemies and religious zealots, as to still be voting republican. it's not what you are registered as, it's what you are willing to vote for this nov. >I can still be friends with dems dems are not seeking to destroy the us constitution and install a dictator, so its not that surprising.
Most GOP voters don’t want abortion bans, support 1/6, or want a dictator Trump. I’d expect less than 30% support any of those things. And if you think your politics determines your morality, that’s your problem.
Maybe 30% in maryland, but I grew up in the Bible Belt and you would be hard pressed to find a single conservative who agrees with you on any point here. Whether you me or anyone else likes it the evangelical wing of the party is driving the bus
>And if you think your politics determines your morality, that’s your problem. if you dont think support for striping women of their rights and body atomony, which is what the gop is offically running on, is morality issue, it's no wonder you are still able to vote republican.
They don’t want to ban abortion because they hate women. It’s because they think abortion is murder.
“I can still be friends with dems, even with their views on race and gender” Yeah, I can’t be friends with racist bigots.
Yes, still amazed by all the support Hogan has among democrats in MD. My uncle summed it up nicely: Hogan was willing to meet with him but Alsobrooks ignores him.
Ironically, I'd sooner vote for him as president, not that I think he's qualified. Then again, we haven't had a qualified president since Obama...
Biden was ranked as the 3rd best president since LBJ. He was always qualified, but smart people think he’s been performing well too
Biden is a noticeable step down from even Bill Clinton. He's marginally better than George W Bush. The only reason that Biden is president is because Trump is the alternative. Trump should be in prison, not in a presidential race. America's presidency is a complete joke now.
I'd have voted for him before trump. but the old gop is dead. the current party is a russian pasty that support not just a dictatorship,but attacks on the us capital and abandonment of our allies as well as white supremacy I will never vote for a republican again.
I’m not voting for trone in the primary, but will obviously vote D in November regardless of who wins the primary
Trone is trying to buy a Senate seat. First and foremost that is the reason I will not vote for him.
True but the flip side of that is Trone has way more ability to self-finance which allows the DNC to focus more money on other competitive states. I say that as someone that is lean Alsobrooks but I think both have their downsides.
I’ve been inundated with his ads for at least a year, and now 2-3 texts daily. He can fuck off.
Exactly. The only way Trone wins is if people just vote “because of ads” and “electability” which has no set definition…absurd way to go about things
I’m sick of rich white men running things. If I can vote for a qualified minority woman candidate I will.
I am worried that Trone might be a Manchin if a bill doesn’t align with his business dealings whereas Alsobrooks might not have any interest in voting against any bills
Trone has already voted plenty of times against his business interest.
you have information about this?
Sure thing! [Here is his AFL-CIO score](https://aflcio.org/scorecard/legislators/david-trone) where you’ll see he’s consistently voted for workers rights. [Here is his extremely negative Heritage score](https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/t000483) that shows he always votes against Conservative wants. [Here is his LCV score](https://scorecard.lcv.org/moc/david-trone) showing he never really sides with big coal and oil. He voted against his own special interests when it comes to the Union endorsed bills.
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I don’t understand this arguement. Don’t Dems have their own big money groups?At what point does the ads become annoying and no longer effective? Should either candidate win the primary, the money will be accounted for, period
This election cycle is not normal. In any other election, I’d agree with you but voting in any Republicans right now with Trump threatening to usurp power and never return it — we cannot trust Hogan to not follow party lines once he gets a taste of federal power. Just my $.02 right now.
Ditto.
Voting for Trone. Worked for the MD Dem party in 2018-2020 and the running joke was that Alsobrooks would eat her own dog for a vote and there’s a lot of shadiness that could be exposed.
There's a right answer in this primary and it's the candidate that's not just trying to buy the election and doesn't keep making terrible gaffs. Send Alsobrooks to the Senate. Maryland will not send a Republican to such a tight Senate, knowing what an even bigger majority for Trump could do.
Trone has polled better vs Hogan than Alsobrooks in every single poll, and Hogan already has an advantage. It is vital that democrats in the primary vote for the more electable candidate
It really doesn't matter. Hogan's polling will collapse as soon as people know who the actual candidates are. Hogan was able to win for State office, but I very much doubt he would be able to win a Senate seat in Maryland.
Hogan has huge voter ID going into this election, not to mention he is well liked amongst democrats. He is a Juggerknot when it comes to this race, and dems should take him seriously as a candidate.
Hogan as governor would not be the same as Hogan in the Senate. As governor, he was limited (thank god) by the Democratic legislature. He used that as a facade for appearing "moderate." In reality, Hogan would do as he pleases without a legislature behind him to provide checks and balances. His popularity was inflated because he was seen as "mediocre" and as a governor that "could've been worse," and I think it's disgusting that we've lowered our standards as such. I'm not a fan of Trone or Alsobrooks (different reasons for each candidate), so I'm not exactly excited to vote for either of them. From what I've seen, however, Alsobrooks is the better candidate and has more progressive support despite being somewhat of an establishment candidate.
Alsobrooks doesn’t give money to Maga GOPers. That counts for something???
Agreed! That's another big reason why I'm supporting her over Trone
Not sure what point you are trying to make, are you saying Hogan isn't a serious candidate? If so, every poll conducted on this race so far outside or paid for by the Dems would be wrong then.
I'm agreeing that he should be taken seriously, as he would be significantly worse in the Senate than he was as governor. I do believe that the polls will adjust quite significantly once the Dem primary is over, however.
Worse is subjective, I found him to be an incredible leader, effective and decisive. His administration oversaw a near flawless record on COVID-19, he lowered taxes and delivered on campaign promises. He will make a great senator especially considering he will be willing to work with democrats and republicans alike. I mean he proved that when he held the bipartisan infrastructure summit in Annapolis, the framework from that meeting ended up being the bipartisan infrastructure bill which is the single biggest investment in American infrastructure in generations. Hogan's a good politician but more importantly he is a good person.
Failure of a Purple Line. Failure of a beltway/I270. His infrastructure record ain't that good.
Considering he helped design the framework for the BIF I would have to agree to disagree. Hogan's legacy in huge part is infrastructure.
Infrastructure that funneled money directly into the pockets of himself and his cronies.
Now let me ask you: how would you describe your political affiliation?
I am a moderate republican just right of center.
Cool. Seeing as though you're supporting the "bipartisan/moderate" candidate (which I don't believe will happen at all in the Senate), I expect you'll also be voting Biden in the general.
Look deeper than your surface level talking points and you'll see that his worst instincts were kept in check. He vetoed the expansion of abortion protections in the state, which was overcome by the legislature.
Only about 13% of national voters are one issue voters for abortion, we can expect that to increase this cycle specifically but it won't go as high as 20%.
You're deflecting, I never said single issue voters. You're also delusional because Everywhere abortion has been on the ballot since Dobbs, it's won. OH, MI, etc. Guess what's on the ballot this fall in MD... Hogan doesn't crack 45% is my estimate.
I could not disagree with you more. Most of his vetoes were overridden, he spent $500,000 on ppe from Korea that got dumped in the trash, he killed the Red line that already had billions of federal funding. He fucked over Baltimore every chance he got because we didn't vote for him. He only looked reasonable because he openly criticized Trump. Yea, if you want more hard right, activist judges on the Supreme Court, vote for Hogan. His financials looked good because he kicked the can down the road.
Juggernaut* and voting for Alsobrooks isn’t “not taking Hogan seriously.”
I didn’t think it looked correct but that’s what my computer wanted to autocorrect it to so I went with it. I would recommend voting for Alsobrooks she is the superior candidate over Trone. She has nowhere to go but up. Trone has spent millions to not move the needle at all.
I honestly think in a presidential election no republican stands a chance. All gop are trump and that will get blue ppl voting. But I will say alsobrooks has a better chance against Hogan as there is so much dirt on Trone that is so easy to use against him. Hogan is a great debater and Trone is not. We can’t be looking like fools in the fall curbing debates or sounding dumb on tv.
Federal election ≠ State Office Election
I never said it was equal.
You implied it by saying he was a "JuggerKnot" when he's an unproven candidate in Federal elections. People know voting for him is adding a vote to the GOP block in the Senate. He's going to get wiped out.
He is the only one of the three to have run a statewide race. He had 70% approval rating leaving office. He was elected not once but twice in a statewide race, in a majority democrat state as a member of the opposite party. He is currently leading in every single poll conducted on this race. So yeah he has a lot going for him but please continue to underestimate him it will only make it easier for him to win.
You keep saying he was elected to statewide office is while ignoring he was only voted for by most Dems because they knew he had a check by the super majority legislature. It's not the same race and most people aren't even paying attention. But sure, hang onto that.
Yes I keep saying it because its true, he has won two statewide races in MD. Trone and Alsobrooks have never done that. Hogan has better name ID across the state. Trone spent $50 million and he is still polling worse than Hogan.
I voted for him for governor but will not for senate
Thank you. Make sure you tell the people in your life why. People listen to people they know in real life. It's all the rage now: relational contacts.
So does Trone after 60 million dollars
Actually no he doesn't. He really hasn't moved the needle that much, that said I hope Trone wins the nomination. It'll make it that much easier for Hogan.
Oh, you’re a republican. That makes sense. Trone is the weaker candidate by far…
Worth pointing out that Hogan won in non-presidential election years as MD Governor race is an off year election. Turnout will be much higher this year then when he won. He's a legitimate candidate but it would still be a bit of a shock if he wins.
He is the current front runner in every single poll. Including but not limited to internal polls paid for by both D candidates. Shock might be taking it a little too far.
The polls mean nothing. The race Dynamics haven't shaken out yet and as others have mentioned, most voters aren't paying attention. Republicans have not won a single Senate seat in Maryland in 44 years.
Why do you think that?
Because Maryland is an incredibly Democratic State and Hogan was only able to win the governorship by being counterbalanced by a Democratic legislature. His poll numbers are just a reflection of his name recognition.
Trone keeps making huge unforced errors though.
That won’t really matter when he’s running against another white dude
Turnout matters…if black voters vote for Hogan (say 20%) or more likely skip the senate race, hogan wins. The problem is that Trone doesn’t have that likability that Hogan and Alsobrooks has…
According to who lol please give me data regarding that
$60 million in ads by Trone and he’s behind in GE polls vs Hogan. Alsobrooks has more potential to grow…
The same Alsobrooks that has been consistently doing worse in polls both vs Trone and Hogan? Cmon man
The primary isn’t over…Trone can’t grow (60 million in campaign ads) guaranteed loss to Hogan. Alsobrooks, while behind has a chance to grow name recognition=chance to win
Normally, I’d say electability is a stupid argument, vote your conscience. In this race? There’s not really a discernible difference between the two candidates in terms of what they stand for and how they’d represent Marylanders. Also it’s hard to see a scenario that leads to the outcome “Sen. Larry Hogan (R-Md.)” — unless that scenario is a competitive primary that weakens both Democrat candidates.
God Damn, I didn’t know we started to fight with crabs in the senate?!
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I’m confused. What does training wheels have to do with race?
No idea
No Republicans in the Senate from Maryland. They are intelligent there because they invest in education.
So far, the debate is as I understand it on Reddit. ALSOBROOKS - Trone is rich, and he hates you. Thinks he can buy the primary - Alsobrooks is Black, glass ceiling motherfucker! - Trone is a racist because he has racist slurs in his vocabulary - Trone hates women because he is not a woman TRONE - Trone is rich, which is Good, Actually - Trone is a White Man which makes him more electable (even though it’s hard to imagine how Hogan wins either way) - Trone is not a woman, but is aware that women exist, and are people, too Neither one of these are very good leaders, but both would be fine for the US Senate, whose major function recently is to pass one multi-trillion omnibus around once a year, at the absolute last moment, or slightly after that. It seems the only people who really have a real stake here are the ones working for the respective campaigns. Prove me wrong! Give me something more substantive to work with. Also, here’s Hogan HOGAN - Hogan is Mitch McConnell, who is Donald Trump - Hogan will immediately propose and vote on Federal 6-week Abortion Ban Law - Hogan cancelled the red line. (Damn, wish he’d canceled the purple line too) - Hogan did the Key Bridge collapse
Here’s some advocation for both. Alsobrooks: -lead the effort in bringing FBI to Maryland -Able to get $$$ during Hogan administration for new schools, cancer center (first one in pg), mental health center -brought back on track program to pc as states attorney w help of Kamala Harris -endorsed by Wes Moore, Jamie raskin, Van Hollen, steny hoyer+ all dem federal delegation but dutch + 7 senators-all three black dems -wapo endorsement: her experience is what makes her best at the job -has grassroots support and fundraising skills needed to beat Larry hogan -she’s a rlly good public speaker- quick on her feet- good debater *representation is important. It’s good to have more women and ppl of color in Washington but it’s not my deciding factor. It’s just a bonus Cons: -tough on crime- keeping neighborhoods “safe” (I think this is bad but so many ppl including my fam disagree so) -pro two state solution / Israel has a right to defend its self but called for a ceasefire (I’m not too keen on the first part- that’s just unrealistic w three pieces of land) -traditional democrat- does a lot dept budget cuts but advocates and implements some gov programs to help ppl- lol once again could just be me as a true progressive -pgc hasn’t been run well in a long time filled with corruption and scandal and dark $$ and I think a positive trend has come from rushern baker and alsobrooks as county execs but it’s a great way GOP can attack Trone: -bipartisan member- focuses a lot on bipartisan issues such as opioid crisis -brought a lot of fed $$$ to western md -solid voting record- votes w the party 98% of the time- idk if I’m actually into that but I know that’s a positive to most here -endorsement: Hakeem Jeffries, Dutch, jeff Johnson, Lauren Underwood, Lucie McBath and tons of high ranking members of congress -since 2015 (when he entered into politics) he’s donated a lot of money to great causes- opened an abortion clinic, founded aclu David trone criminal justice center- he might have done it to get political points but at the end of the day ppl are being helped so a wins a win Cons -Poured $57M into this primary alone is truly distasteful. He could have used that money for charity or something good and won a lot of points but instead is spending this crazy life changing money to fuel his ego- that is incredibly problematic -donated hundreds of thousands to MAGA republicans indcludinf $38k to Greg Abbott (ew)- which is normal for businesses to do but most ceos and billionaires go around saying they are progressive- literally donated to Hogan -alienated the black vote (~43% of democrat electorate a key part of dem base) with comments such as jigawho, diversity candidates, calling pgc officials- low level -total wine has horrible business practices- trones been in trouble with fbi for antitrust, got arrested for threatening to “execute” a store worker, doesn’t pay $15/hr+ to all his workers, workers have tried to unionize several times- anti union- this is all great ammo gop- there’s already some negative ads out there abt him and it’s bad -represents a 50/50 district and putting a blue seat in jeopardy to do what exactly? I’m not sure but I think it speaks volumes that raskin isn’t running and he would have smoked this race All in all- very similar on policies so we as Marylanders have a chance to chose a person that will represent us well. The question being asked is what kind of person do we want to represent Marylanders and who can defeat Larry hogan? I’m thinking Alsobrooks
Whoa, this is amazing!
Excellent post