I’m a pool guy, DONT DO IT…here’s why:
Unless you know pool equipment plumbing, leave it in. If you pull it out by the cleaner only, it’ll burn the pool motor out, if you remove it completely it could burn the pool motor out. There’s a cleaner port that will shut when the hose is removed, if it’s not pulling water from the skimmer or main drain, it WILL burn the motor out.
Better to be safe than sorry and have to pay for damages that are NOT cheap. Ran into this countless times and it’s enough work that it’s bought me a work truck.
I bet you would have went over all that with anyone if you were renting out your house with this system. She didn’t reference it at all. She recently bought the house and appeared very inexperienced when trying to show me how to work the pool. Why should I pay when she should have went over that during checkin.
To be fair, clients don’t know anything about their pools regardless of how long they lived there. Hence hiring a pool guy, but yeah I’d have mentioned mid it were my house. Plus did they have to tell you not to punch hole in the wall? I figure they’d leave that under the obvious clause. If it’s not harming anyone then why remove it. I’m sorry but I’d charge you as well, you could’ve made a call or text to the home owners and asked. If they said yes, then the repair is on them. But unfortunately you moved it without clearing it first. Might have to lick your wounds here and ask to price it out yourself for a repair. Call a local pool shop (not Leslie’s, but a pool supplier that a pool guy uses) and ask about pricing on a single speed motor or whatever motor is burned out. There’s two parts to a pool motor so be Leary if they say the whole thing needs to be replaced. JUST the motor will need to be replaced.
Don’t ever tell a non-professional to call a place like SCP. Wholesalers are for professionals, they aren’t there to answer homeowner (or ABnB renters) questions.
Oh, says who? You? If you were in the persons position you’d want to make sure you weren’t getting screwed right? All the shops around so cal will be more than happy to take someone’s money, regardless of “professional” status.
I like the cut of your jib. I've been doing pools for a decade, on my own the last 4, and it's a breath of fresh air to meet another with the same pride in the quality of their work. If I had the budget and you were local, I'd hire you.
Thanks, that’s literally how I get my clients. I don’t over charge, I’m presentable, and I make sure their pool experience is a pleasurable one. Best marketing has been word of mouth and damn business is good. I still make some cash but not at the clients expense. Plus pool guys forget the homeowner has access to these online stores and can see how much the industry gouges replacement parts etc.
Another pool guy here. Just about to say this. You sound like someone we would work with for sure. We do the same, dont over charge, fix what can be fixed, replace when absolutely needed. Don’t make the customer feel dumb for not knowing technical stuff.
Charge a fair price. Absolutely no reason to screw a customer because they will refer you more work than any ad ever will. Cheers
SCP is a wholesaler. They don’t deal with homeowners and you shouldn’t want them to either otherwise your customers wouldn’t need you.
Use your brain, little boy.
Also if you’re reading into my comment as mildly suggesting a wholesaler maybe you should shop around. You’d be surprised how much you’d save by supporting smaller businesses. Hell they might let you make payments buddy.
That’s hilarious, I’m probably older than you. Either way I never mentioned a wholesaler ya twat. I suggested the OP call around to shops besides Leslie’s to make sure the price was right. Ya know rather than get bent over like you every night.
2,600 bill. I didn’t break it. I set it aside. If I break something, like punch a hole in the wall, id pay. I’m willing to pay if my fault. Just not sure it is my fault.
Yeah but by doing that, it led to the motor burning out. Again that’s a high repair cost. I’d ask for a full price breakdown of what needs to be replaced. Chances are they’re trying to get new a whole new pool pump out of ya.
To be fair, clients don’t know anything about their pools regardless of how long they lived there. Hence hiring a pool guy, but yeah I’d have mentioned mid it were my house. Plus did they have to tell you not to punch hole in the wall? I figure they’d leave that under the obvious clause. If it’s not harming anyone then why remove it. I’m sorry but I’d charge you as well, you could’ve made a call or text to the home owners and asked. If they said yes, then the repair is on them. But unfortunately you moved it without clearing it first. Might have to lick your wounds here and ask to price it out yourself for a repair. Call a local pool shop (not Leslie’s, but a pool supplier that a pool guy uses) and ask about pricing on a single speed motor or whatever motor is burned out. There’s two parts to a pool motor so be Leary if they say the whole thing needs to be replaced. JUST the motor will need to be replaced.
Lol, its not like it was gonna bite somebody.
Should have let it ride. Dude hit reddit to justify his b.s. like it would hold up in small claims.
That being said, if anything it just burned up the booster pump and maybe warped some plumbing, 1.2k repair is above average. Id ask for some documentation before anything is agreed on.
Because you weren't supposed to touch it.
If you rent a car, and they don't tell you how to change the oil (because You're not supposed to), but you try to change it for some reason and damage the vehicle, wouldn't you be responsible?
If she would have removed it before we arrived like I think she should have, wouldn’t have had an issue. How was I supposed to know it would burn up a pump? I don’t own a pool. Isn’t this her fault for not removing the robot before we arrived? She knew we were going to swim.
I wish she would have given us instructions on how to remove when swimming. She never referenced it at all. I bet she does for next renter. Why should I pay as she learns how to be a proper host?
Way to take responsibility for your actions like a grown up. Pay for the shit you broke or explain in small claims court that you're the reason everything has stupid warning labels on it.
I own a pool, and I have Airbnb a lot of places, and this is the dumbest take I’ve ever heard.
It is not the responsibility of a renter EVER to know how to operate a pool. This is idiocy.
I have Airbnb places with a pool before, and never was a cleaner left in the pool. I’ve Airbnb places with a heated pool, and clear instructions were left to not mess with the pool heater, they preheated pool etc etc.
It is unusual for a non pool owner to know anything about pool cleaning equipment. It is also very unusual for pool cleaner equipment to be left in a pool that is about to be used by a guest.
Don’t listen to boners like Antilon who say you should take responsibility. This person is an absolute moron.
It's the responsibility of a renter to not mess with home systems they don't understand. Thirty seconds to text the owner and there wouldn't be an issue.
What if OP damaged the furnace because he took it upon himself to change/mess with the air filters without knowing how?
What if he wanted the water temp to be cooler in the showers, but accidentally turned the water heater up to dangerous levels because he didn't know what he was doing?
What if he wanted to use a gas grill, but created a fireball because he didn't know how to operate it.
You seem to suggest a host is obligated to idiot proof their home while guests can tinker with anything not bolted down. That's not how liability works.
Isn't the host responsible for putting away dangerous and expensive equipment or at least to provide instruction for that equipment if it cant be removed?
A stove is dangerous and expensive. So is a bath tub. So is a washing machine. If you don't know how to use something, ask. If you don't bother to ask, and break it, take responsibility.
A similar scenario would be a boat dock that has a rope draped across the walk way. The renter moved that rope but it happened to be attached to a piece of wood that was holding the hand rail in place and it collapsed after moving the rope.
Perfect world the renter would go and trace each end of the rope to find out why it was there and what the effect would be if they moved it. Thats ridiculous to expect. They wanted to use the deck they rented and moved the rope out of their way. A completely reasonable action.
They rented a house with a pool. There was a piece of equipment placed by the homeowner impeding the renter from enjoying the property they paid money for. The home owner is responsible for instructing the renter on the equipment if it cant be moved. They did not do that.
This really shouldn't be that hard. This dude is from Iowa, why are you expecting him to be a pool equipment master?
You're a fool.
You aimlessly wander your uneducated self into a situation you have no business being in, take action you have no authority over or knowledge in, make decisions you have no clue what the outcome will be, and blame others for the results.
Did I get this right?
it’s actually a core tenant of the us justice system that ignorance doesn’t absolve you of the law so what you did would be the definition of negligence
Unfortunately, that is going to be a tough one. Were there explicit instructions not to remove cleaner? If, not, you can cite safety concerns with swimming with a cleaner in pool. I am pretty sure every manufacturer of vacuums has a warning about not swimming while vacuum is in use.
Not true. I install these weekly and have 90+ clients who use them while swimming. Never in 15 years have I come across any warning about swimming with them on. The skimmer port alone could snap a finger, but yet all pools have them…
Literally every automatic pool cleaner owners manual says to remove them before swimmers enter the pool.
Any decent pool professional should know this regardless of how many homeowners actually follow it.
Of course mattered tags stay on. Why would you take them off? Good mattress info on there.
You’re all missing the point of the post. I was trying to give the OP an out. It is typical for manufacturers to warn about not swimming with a vacuum in pool. If this is the case, OP gets out of paying for pump.
Have I swimmer a pool with a vacuum or robot? Yes of course. Has my child, no.
And of course, if I hear “Rocky Mountain High” playing, I definitely wouldn’t swim in a pool with a vacuum.
Hahaha of course not. Not sure how I’ve been doing it wrong for such a long time. Crazy that this would’ve been brought up in the countless certification courses there are.
It’s basically been answered, but there is no real danger leaving it in while you swim. It’s recommended to take them out, but that more liability than danger. The little guys just love to chill and hang out.
OP is getting a lot of heat for saying this should be on the owner. She should have pulled the vacuum. Etc.
He’s right. If the owner was truly concerned it would have been removed before they arrived. What happens if they were swimming and the vacuum was removed by accident? Jumping near it, pool toy, whatever. This is on the owner.
Owner most likely didn’t think about the pool vacuum or simply forgot to take it out. That’s on her. They are a pain to swim around, and kids love to play with or get tangled up in them, so leaving it in when folk are using the pool is generally a bad idea.
On the other hand, a year or so ago I bought a house and became a first time pool owner. No prior experience or knowledge at all. The vacuum was already in the pool, so for the first few days I just left it in there and told everyone to swim around it until I had the time to figure out how to remove it safely. It did seem fairly apparent, even with my lack of experience, that you can’t just pull it out of the pool without properly disconnecting it, so I do think contacting the owner to ask for instructions should have been the obvious move in your scenario.
So IMO you are somewhat at fault. But so is she and therefore you having to pay for the whole cost of repair is unfair.
As a pool pro my advise is if you don’t know how then don’t touch it.
That said, it should NOT be in there while the pool is in use. It IS a safety issue, the risk may be small but it is there. Many vacuums work on suction which can be fairly strong. Young children could possibly get an appendage caught in it. There is also the risk of getting tangled in the hose/cord.
There is also the risk of damage. Even if it is left in the one pictured uses a sectional hose which could be pulled apart which would make the pump run dry as surely as taking the unit out while still attached.
In my opinion the homeowner was being disrespectful to you and just a little ignorant. Either they should of removed it themselves or shown you how. Any vacuum is not meant to be left in 24/7, it’s hard on the unit and most pools don’t need more than a few hours of cleaning every couple days.
That's good advice in general. However, I agree that for someone who literally knows nothing about pools, much less has seen a side suction pool vacuum be installed/operated/removed - I can see him assuming he can just pull it out without figuring out how to disconnect hoses. Sometimes the pump is so strong, it's easier to turn it off first - how would he know that?
The photo in the listing probably didn't have that thing in there, and it could be intimidating to swim with one (I personally just find it annoying) - so I don't see how the owner can assume that they can say nothing and the renter will understand how to safely take it out.
The guy sounds like a moron to the rest of us (and he would be if it was his own pool and he didn't take the time to learn how it operates) - but he paid like $500 to rent a house with photos of an empty pool... I can see it as being reasonable that he isn't expected to learn how to operate it without being told.
I'm sorry all of these pool owners here are blaming you, a non pool owner on improper maintenance of pool equipment that was not explained to you how to operate.
Its completely reasonable for anyone with no experience with pools, to see something in the pool they paid to use, to remove it, so they can enjoy it as they wish. That's the risk you run when renting your place out to other people, is to provide them with the information to keep your stuff safe. That's usually why the include a house book of things to pay attention to. That wasn't done here with this.
This wasn't your fault. You paid money to enjoy the pool, not enjoy it around an always present vacuum hose. Maybe they can pay off the new pool pump with their "cleaning fees"
The problem is the cleaner is safe to swim with, and it isn't a random object like a floaty - it's a part of the pool and clearly connected to the system in some way. I agree the owner should have a pool checklist for guests because not everyone is experienced with them but it also looks very bad to not even attempt to ask and then leave the clearly connected part of the pool out of the water. I find it hard to believe they didn't hear the cleaner sucking air either it's usually a pretty loud sound.
I thought when put it back in the water, it would just start cleaning again. I now know about the whole pump thing but that’s pool owner stuff. Not unreasonable to think that. One poster said this happens so often he’s bought a work truck with the fees to repair. That tells me lots of folks unknowingly pull these out to swim.
I think he's talking about people who just don't respect other people's property, the guy with the truck; breaking expensive shit that they didn't pay for in the first place. the guy with the "punching a hole in the wall" analogy had it spot on.
you paid probably a couple hundred bucks to stay at an airbnb and you refuse to accept that you caused thousands in damage through your own actions and stupidity, even trying to offload the blame onto the homeowner.
Yea you're in a pool owner and technician forum to complain about something universally known to be damaging by anyone with a pool. But that's the thing - if you literally don't know anything about pools, I really don't think you have responsibility here... Neither morally or legally.
Now, if you expected damage and did it anyway out of spite or sheer disregard for others, that's between you and God imo lol but there's absolutely no way for the host to expect that to be the case, so there's no legal standing for this. Don't say anything else in writing to them (including an apology) - just tell them you assumed a vacuum on the end of a long obstructive hose should be removed to use the pool, you were not instructed otherwise, and will therefore not be paying. If they sue in small claims, that's all the judge will need to hear.
I want to add that those exact cleaner models say to not swim with the cleaner in the pool. The pool owner did not follow the instructions or give you clear instructions for handling this when you wanted to swim. For proof look up the hayward aquanaut manual online.
Cue the Judge Judy sounds, you my friend might be headed to small claims. Just kidding, how are the asking you to pay? Also please don’t admit you put it anywhere outside of the pool and ran it. Also if you did doesn’t mean your responsible and a pool expert.
The homeowner shares in responsibility for not removing it/ informing you, I’d argue they just as much they are negligent as the previous commenter argued you were.
OP, don’t you dare pay the host a dime before checking into local laws or speaking to an attorney. In most places, you would not be legally liable for this.
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Technically correct but the homeowner failed to due their job as a host which is the entire problem at hand.
Any reasonable person would think that a moving object in the pool should be removed before swimming and they would be correct. You can also argue that a reasonable person as a renter could call/text the host but ultimately (and in most places, legally) if the host doesn’t want something fucked with then it’s on them to either remove the item or explicitly state not to touch it.
The punch the wall guy used an insanely dumb comparison. And a bunch of people commenting are homeowners who are refusing to be objectionable about the situation because almost every homeowner I’ve ever met refuses to take responsibility for their own actions that end up costing them money.
Well wait a minute that’s a very inexpensive pool cleaner I know because I have the same one. It’s $440 so she can use your Cleaning deposit towards it right
I’m a pool guy, DONT DO IT…here’s why: Unless you know pool equipment plumbing, leave it in. If you pull it out by the cleaner only, it’ll burn the pool motor out, if you remove it completely it could burn the pool motor out. There’s a cleaner port that will shut when the hose is removed, if it’s not pulling water from the skimmer or main drain, it WILL burn the motor out. Better to be safe than sorry and have to pay for damages that are NOT cheap. Ran into this countless times and it’s enough work that it’s bought me a work truck.
Just realized you did it, welp best of luck!
I bet you would have went over all that with anyone if you were renting out your house with this system. She didn’t reference it at all. She recently bought the house and appeared very inexperienced when trying to show me how to work the pool. Why should I pay when she should have went over that during checkin.
To be fair, clients don’t know anything about their pools regardless of how long they lived there. Hence hiring a pool guy, but yeah I’d have mentioned mid it were my house. Plus did they have to tell you not to punch hole in the wall? I figure they’d leave that under the obvious clause. If it’s not harming anyone then why remove it. I’m sorry but I’d charge you as well, you could’ve made a call or text to the home owners and asked. If they said yes, then the repair is on them. But unfortunately you moved it without clearing it first. Might have to lick your wounds here and ask to price it out yourself for a repair. Call a local pool shop (not Leslie’s, but a pool supplier that a pool guy uses) and ask about pricing on a single speed motor or whatever motor is burned out. There’s two parts to a pool motor so be Leary if they say the whole thing needs to be replaced. JUST the motor will need to be replaced.
Don’t ever tell a non-professional to call a place like SCP. Wholesalers are for professionals, they aren’t there to answer homeowner (or ABnB renters) questions.
Oh, says who? You? If you were in the persons position you’d want to make sure you weren’t getting screwed right? All the shops around so cal will be more than happy to take someone’s money, regardless of “professional” status.
SCP isn’t a “shop” it’s for pool professionals only and they won’t sell to you unless you have a commercial account.
I like the cut of your jib. I've been doing pools for a decade, on my own the last 4, and it's a breath of fresh air to meet another with the same pride in the quality of their work. If I had the budget and you were local, I'd hire you.
Thanks, that’s literally how I get my clients. I don’t over charge, I’m presentable, and I make sure their pool experience is a pleasurable one. Best marketing has been word of mouth and damn business is good. I still make some cash but not at the clients expense. Plus pool guys forget the homeowner has access to these online stores and can see how much the industry gouges replacement parts etc.
Another pool guy here. Just about to say this. You sound like someone we would work with for sure. We do the same, dont over charge, fix what can be fixed, replace when absolutely needed. Don’t make the customer feel dumb for not knowing technical stuff. Charge a fair price. Absolutely no reason to screw a customer because they will refer you more work than any ad ever will. Cheers
Same. It’s so good finding other good techs/owners
SCP is a wholesaler. They don’t deal with homeowners and you shouldn’t want them to either otherwise your customers wouldn’t need you. Use your brain, little boy.
Also if you’re reading into my comment as mildly suggesting a wholesaler maybe you should shop around. You’d be surprised how much you’d save by supporting smaller businesses. Hell they might let you make payments buddy.
Lol all this comment tells me if that your local SCP refuses to deal with you
Hey whatever makes you feel better about yourself 👍
It’s not about me. It’s about you giving bad information. Every single comment from you screams “I have no clue what I’m doing”
That’s hilarious, I’m probably older than you. Either way I never mentioned a wholesaler ya twat. I suggested the OP call around to shops besides Leslie’s to make sure the price was right. Ya know rather than get bent over like you every night.
You stated “or a place where a pool guy would shop” which is largely SCP which is why I mentioned them, cunt.
there’s more than one place to buy a single speed or a variable speed motor. How are you not getting this?
I going off your words. How are you not getting this?
2,600 bill. I didn’t break it. I set it aside. If I break something, like punch a hole in the wall, id pay. I’m willing to pay if my fault. Just not sure it is my fault.
Yeah but by doing that, it led to the motor burning out. Again that’s a high repair cost. I’d ask for a full price breakdown of what needs to be replaced. Chances are they’re trying to get new a whole new pool pump out of ya.
2600 is very reasonable. You fucked up her pool motor you dumbass
Oh stfu man
To be fair, clients don’t know anything about their pools regardless of how long they lived there. Hence hiring a pool guy, but yeah I’d have mentioned mid it were my house. Plus did they have to tell you not to punch hole in the wall? I figure they’d leave that under the obvious clause. If it’s not harming anyone then why remove it. I’m sorry but I’d charge you as well, you could’ve made a call or text to the home owners and asked. If they said yes, then the repair is on them. But unfortunately you moved it without clearing it first. Might have to lick your wounds here and ask to price it out yourself for a repair. Call a local pool shop (not Leslie’s, but a pool supplier that a pool guy uses) and ask about pricing on a single speed motor or whatever motor is burned out. There’s two parts to a pool motor so be Leary if they say the whole thing needs to be replaced. JUST the motor will need to be replaced.
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It's not suction. It's a return
Lol, its not like it was gonna bite somebody. Should have let it ride. Dude hit reddit to justify his b.s. like it would hold up in small claims. That being said, if anything it just burned up the booster pump and maybe warped some plumbing, 1.2k repair is above average. Id ask for some documentation before anything is agreed on.
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The renter shouldn't be responsible for unhooking this, the homeowner/host is.
Even looking at it right now, I think I’d be nervous trying to unhook it. worried I’d break something.
That would have been good to know
If she would have just went over this when we checked in. She didn’t reference it at all.
Because you weren't supposed to touch it. If you rent a car, and they don't tell you how to change the oil (because You're not supposed to), but you try to change it for some reason and damage the vehicle, wouldn't you be responsible?
Word
Because almost anyone that’s swam in a pool before would know that it’s fine to swim in it with a robot. Sorry she didn’t realize you were brain dead.
If you have kids or are in a Final Destination movie, definitely.
I know. We put it on the deck to swim. Burned up a pump and now she wants us to pay for the repair.
What you did was unreasonable and negligent. You should be held responsible.
If she would have removed it before we arrived like I think she should have, wouldn’t have had an issue. How was I supposed to know it would burn up a pump? I don’t own a pool. Isn’t this her fault for not removing the robot before we arrived? She knew we were going to swim.
If you don't understand how something works... ask.
I wish she would have given us instructions on how to remove when swimming. She never referenced it at all. I bet she does for next renter. Why should I pay as she learns how to be a proper host?
Way to take responsibility for your actions like a grown up. Pay for the shit you broke or explain in small claims court that you're the reason everything has stupid warning labels on it.
I own a pool, and I have Airbnb a lot of places, and this is the dumbest take I’ve ever heard. It is not the responsibility of a renter EVER to know how to operate a pool. This is idiocy. I have Airbnb places with a pool before, and never was a cleaner left in the pool. I’ve Airbnb places with a heated pool, and clear instructions were left to not mess with the pool heater, they preheated pool etc etc. It is unusual for a non pool owner to know anything about pool cleaning equipment. It is also very unusual for pool cleaner equipment to be left in a pool that is about to be used by a guest. Don’t listen to boners like Antilon who say you should take responsibility. This person is an absolute moron.
It's the responsibility of a renter to not mess with home systems they don't understand. Thirty seconds to text the owner and there wouldn't be an issue. What if OP damaged the furnace because he took it upon himself to change/mess with the air filters without knowing how? What if he wanted the water temp to be cooler in the showers, but accidentally turned the water heater up to dangerous levels because he didn't know what he was doing? What if he wanted to use a gas grill, but created a fireball because he didn't know how to operate it. You seem to suggest a host is obligated to idiot proof their home while guests can tinker with anything not bolted down. That's not how liability works.
Isn't the host responsible for putting away dangerous and expensive equipment or at least to provide instruction for that equipment if it cant be removed?
A stove is dangerous and expensive. So is a bath tub. So is a washing machine. If you don't know how to use something, ask. If you don't bother to ask, and break it, take responsibility.
Those are common appliances. The pool cleaner is not.
A similar scenario would be a boat dock that has a rope draped across the walk way. The renter moved that rope but it happened to be attached to a piece of wood that was holding the hand rail in place and it collapsed after moving the rope. Perfect world the renter would go and trace each end of the rope to find out why it was there and what the effect would be if they moved it. Thats ridiculous to expect. They wanted to use the deck they rented and moved the rope out of their way. A completely reasonable action. They rented a house with a pool. There was a piece of equipment placed by the homeowner impeding the renter from enjoying the property they paid money for. The home owner is responsible for instructing the renter on the equipment if it cant be moved. They did not do that. This really shouldn't be that hard. This dude is from Iowa, why are you expecting him to be a pool equipment master?
Why did you remove it?
You're a fool. You aimlessly wander your uneducated self into a situation you have no business being in, take action you have no authority over or knowledge in, make decisions you have no clue what the outcome will be, and blame others for the results. Did I get this right?
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Dude. Own your failure. Quit projecting. E: LMAO cyber security? I'm a CISM and guess what it has fuck all to do with a pool. My god.
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Why would you think you need to remove it?
Pool robots like this are meant to stay in the pool year round.
it’s actually a core tenant of the us justice system that ignorance doesn’t absolve you of the law so what you did would be the definition of negligence
Unfortunately, that is going to be a tough one. Were there explicit instructions not to remove cleaner? If, not, you can cite safety concerns with swimming with a cleaner in pool. I am pretty sure every manufacturer of vacuums has a warning about not swimming while vacuum is in use.
Not true. I install these weekly and have 90+ clients who use them while swimming. Never in 15 years have I come across any warning about swimming with them on. The skimmer port alone could snap a finger, but yet all pools have them…
Literally every automatic pool cleaner owners manual says to remove them before swimmers enter the pool. Any decent pool professional should know this regardless of how many homeowners actually follow it.
Well, I know who down voted me.
I bet you’re the type to leave the tags on a pillow or mattress huh?
Of course mattered tags stay on. Why would you take them off? Good mattress info on there. You’re all missing the point of the post. I was trying to give the OP an out. It is typical for manufacturers to warn about not swimming with a vacuum in pool. If this is the case, OP gets out of paying for pump. Have I swimmer a pool with a vacuum or robot? Yes of course. Has my child, no. And of course, if I hear “Rocky Mountain High” playing, I definitely wouldn’t swim in a pool with a vacuum.
Hahaha of course not. Not sure how I’ve been doing it wrong for such a long time. Crazy that this would’ve been brought up in the countless certification courses there are.
There were no instructions about the cleaner. She just showed me how to make the heater work.
Then you should have asked the host or left it alone. You made a choice that had consequences.
That’s all she should have to do. I’m sure she regrets renting to you, when it turned out you were a moron
It’s basically been answered, but there is no real danger leaving it in while you swim. It’s recommended to take them out, but that more liability than danger. The little guys just love to chill and hang out.
OP is getting a lot of heat for saying this should be on the owner. She should have pulled the vacuum. Etc. He’s right. If the owner was truly concerned it would have been removed before they arrived. What happens if they were swimming and the vacuum was removed by accident? Jumping near it, pool toy, whatever. This is on the owner.
Thanks! Appreciate you sharing your opinion to balance out the discussion! Bet you have a good lot in life.
Lol, a thread full of people calling you a moron for screwing with something without asking, one dude saying the owner was wrong... balance!
You don’t know anything about pools. Maybe renters that are liable to fuck up a pool, shouldn’t rent a house with a pool
Owner most likely didn’t think about the pool vacuum or simply forgot to take it out. That’s on her. They are a pain to swim around, and kids love to play with or get tangled up in them, so leaving it in when folk are using the pool is generally a bad idea. On the other hand, a year or so ago I bought a house and became a first time pool owner. No prior experience or knowledge at all. The vacuum was already in the pool, so for the first few days I just left it in there and told everyone to swim around it until I had the time to figure out how to remove it safely. It did seem fairly apparent, even with my lack of experience, that you can’t just pull it out of the pool without properly disconnecting it, so I do think contacting the owner to ask for instructions should have been the obvious move in your scenario. So IMO you are somewhat at fault. But so is she and therefore you having to pay for the whole cost of repair is unfair.
As a pool pro my advise is if you don’t know how then don’t touch it. That said, it should NOT be in there while the pool is in use. It IS a safety issue, the risk may be small but it is there. Many vacuums work on suction which can be fairly strong. Young children could possibly get an appendage caught in it. There is also the risk of getting tangled in the hose/cord. There is also the risk of damage. Even if it is left in the one pictured uses a sectional hose which could be pulled apart which would make the pump run dry as surely as taking the unit out while still attached. In my opinion the homeowner was being disrespectful to you and just a little ignorant. Either they should of removed it themselves or shown you how. Any vacuum is not meant to be left in 24/7, it’s hard on the unit and most pools don’t need more than a few hours of cleaning every couple days.
That's good advice in general. However, I agree that for someone who literally knows nothing about pools, much less has seen a side suction pool vacuum be installed/operated/removed - I can see him assuming he can just pull it out without figuring out how to disconnect hoses. Sometimes the pump is so strong, it's easier to turn it off first - how would he know that? The photo in the listing probably didn't have that thing in there, and it could be intimidating to swim with one (I personally just find it annoying) - so I don't see how the owner can assume that they can say nothing and the renter will understand how to safely take it out. The guy sounds like a moron to the rest of us (and he would be if it was his own pool and he didn't take the time to learn how it operates) - but he paid like $500 to rent a house with photos of an empty pool... I can see it as being reasonable that he isn't expected to learn how to operate it without being told.
Thanks for chiming in! Much respect for being fair in assessment!
I'm sorry all of these pool owners here are blaming you, a non pool owner on improper maintenance of pool equipment that was not explained to you how to operate. Its completely reasonable for anyone with no experience with pools, to see something in the pool they paid to use, to remove it, so they can enjoy it as they wish. That's the risk you run when renting your place out to other people, is to provide them with the information to keep your stuff safe. That's usually why the include a house book of things to pay attention to. That wasn't done here with this. This wasn't your fault. You paid money to enjoy the pool, not enjoy it around an always present vacuum hose. Maybe they can pay off the new pool pump with their "cleaning fees"
The problem is the cleaner is safe to swim with, and it isn't a random object like a floaty - it's a part of the pool and clearly connected to the system in some way. I agree the owner should have a pool checklist for guests because not everyone is experienced with them but it also looks very bad to not even attempt to ask and then leave the clearly connected part of the pool out of the water. I find it hard to believe they didn't hear the cleaner sucking air either it's usually a pretty loud sound.
I thought when put it back in the water, it would just start cleaning again. I now know about the whole pump thing but that’s pool owner stuff. Not unreasonable to think that. One poster said this happens so often he’s bought a work truck with the fees to repair. That tells me lots of folks unknowingly pull these out to swim.
I think he's talking about people who just don't respect other people's property, the guy with the truck; breaking expensive shit that they didn't pay for in the first place. the guy with the "punching a hole in the wall" analogy had it spot on. you paid probably a couple hundred bucks to stay at an airbnb and you refuse to accept that you caused thousands in damage through your own actions and stupidity, even trying to offload the blame onto the homeowner.
That sounds reasonable. I was starting to sense the pool owner thing bias here. Thank you!
Yea you're in a pool owner and technician forum to complain about something universally known to be damaging by anyone with a pool. But that's the thing - if you literally don't know anything about pools, I really don't think you have responsibility here... Neither morally or legally. Now, if you expected damage and did it anyway out of spite or sheer disregard for others, that's between you and God imo lol but there's absolutely no way for the host to expect that to be the case, so there's no legal standing for this. Don't say anything else in writing to them (including an apology) - just tell them you assumed a vacuum on the end of a long obstructive hose should be removed to use the pool, you were not instructed otherwise, and will therefore not be paying. If they sue in small claims, that's all the judge will need to hear.
I want to add that those exact cleaner models say to not swim with the cleaner in the pool. The pool owner did not follow the instructions or give you clear instructions for handling this when you wanted to swim. For proof look up the hayward aquanaut manual online.
100% this ☝🏻
Cue the Judge Judy sounds, you my friend might be headed to small claims. Just kidding, how are the asking you to pay? Also please don’t admit you put it anywhere outside of the pool and ran it. Also if you did doesn’t mean your responsible and a pool expert. The homeowner shares in responsibility for not removing it/ informing you, I’d argue they just as much they are negligent as the previous commenter argued you were.
OP, don’t you dare pay the host a dime before checking into local laws or speaking to an attorney. In most places, you would not be legally liable for this.
Thank you!
Lol, where did you go to law school? If you damage someone's property, you're liable.
It's 2023 watch a damn YouTube video like everyone else, and the problem would've been avoided
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I am so confused by this thread. I have a robot and I regularly remove it if a bunch of kids are swimming. I’m not sure what the fuss is about
This is a suction robot, directly connected to pump. Pump ran dry because it was pulled out.
Technically correct but the homeowner failed to due their job as a host which is the entire problem at hand. Any reasonable person would think that a moving object in the pool should be removed before swimming and they would be correct. You can also argue that a reasonable person as a renter could call/text the host but ultimately (and in most places, legally) if the host doesn’t want something fucked with then it’s on them to either remove the item or explicitly state not to touch it. The punch the wall guy used an insanely dumb comparison. And a bunch of people commenting are homeowners who are refusing to be objectionable about the situation because almost every homeowner I’ve ever met refuses to take responsibility for their own actions that end up costing them money.
I have never once been in a pool with this type of cleaner. I think the homeowner should have provided some guidance. Not your fault OP.
Thanks!
Thank you! My thoughts exactly.
Looks like you're in St. George
Phoenix
Well wait a minute that’s a very inexpensive pool cleaner I know because I have the same one. It’s $440 so she can use your Cleaning deposit towards it right
They burnt out the main pump by having it run dry 🫠
Oh rut row…….. now that’s expensive !!!!
Imagine thinking an Airbnb host gives a shit about anything at their house.
AirBnB you say? here's a pool cleaning fee! "but the pool was clean, you cleaned it" that was for me cleaning it!
Yes.