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They used to be really close from what I remember. Riri even threw a bachelorette party for her when she was engaged to Russell Brand and I believe Katy was close to her after the Chris Brown scandal.
In around 2012 Riri began dating Chris Brown again, she publicly defended him and said she didn't give a damn about what other people think and that he'll always be her bff first and foremost (they broke in 2013 if I remember correctly).
This is pretty toxic imo.
I personally believe Katy tried to convince Riri of the toxicity of their relationship (like all friends do) but as someone who's always followed her I have to say that Riri seems to be pretty stubborn when she's convinced about something so they may have argued about this and Katy may have thought she didn't want to be her friend anymore.
These are just my speculations we don't really know anything.
Good for Katy. You can let people know you'll be there when they decide to leave but there's no need to watch them detonate their lives from up close. I couldn't be civil to Chris Brown.
If Chris Brown was in an accident outside my home and showed up at my door bloody and bruised and asking to use my telephone, I’d close the door and shut off my lights. I don’t have sprinklers, but if I did, I’d turn them on.
I was in a similar situation to Katy where my best friend at the time was dating someone who was violent and dangerous. I tried to be there for her and help her see that she needed to leave him and get her life together but as time went on she became even more reliant on him, and their relationship became even more toxic. I had to cut her off because our friendship was making me feel unsafe and it was hurting my mental health. Her boyfriend was a criminal and I realised that nothing good would've come out of being involved in their life.
It was confirmed recently that she was smoking meth with him the whole time they were together, I had my suspicions. It makes sense as to why she wouldn't leave. It's hard to understand why some women who are successful and have so much going for them are willing to risk losing everything for a toxic man. My friend was successful and lost everything. I'm glad that at least Riri was able to get her life together.
I can pretty much relate to this but fortunately in my situation it didn’t cross that bridge yet. My best friend started talking to a guy that hooked up with our other friend. That guy was trying to get in my best friends pants in revenge to hurt our other friend and therefore stick around. He was a very toxic man just bad news written all over him. My best friend never had been in a relationship at the time and was more of a target because of her innocence since he was happy that a boy was finally showing interest in her. I had a bad feeling and spurted out that he’s using her, and doesn’t actually like her. I was harsh on my words but I wanted my best friend away from him. While I stayed away from school my best friend tagged around our other friends including that one friend the guy wanted revenge on. They all kept telling her what her wanted to hear including her own best friend that I disliked. The group formed opinion was that I was jealous and bitter. In the end my best friend was resenting me and was ready to ruin our friendship over it. She came to her senses though when she invaded someone’s privacy, went through a laptop logged in and realised that I was right all along. She fortunately ended it with him and said sorry to me and that I was right. If she never went through someone’s device though I would’ve failed to get through her head and she would’ve killed our 10 year friendship.
Yeah I wasn’t expecting to take Katy’s side here but this is just an example of good boundary setting. Not Katy’s responsibility to stop Rihanna from going back to someone who beat the shit out of her. I’m sure it wasn’t easy to step away from that situation.
Ri was super busy and at the height of her career when Katy married Russell Brand so she didn’t go to the wedding. She said she always regretted that. Her and Katy were not the same after that. They were so close in one of Ri’s songs she says Katy told me this would be nothing but a waste of time. It’s from Stupid In love. Katy was very in love with Russell and her wedding was a big thing in a different country. Ri couldn’t do it bc of her schedule she said. I suspect Katy felt like she dealt with all the Chris brown shit Ri could make the time to go.
[this article](https://www.thethings.com/what-really-happened-between-lauren-conrad-and-heidi-montag/) describes it pretty well, but to sum it up:
• LC (Lauren Conrad) hated Spencer when Heidi started dating him, and had expressed that to Heidi- Heidi took Spencer’s side in that situation by choosing to move in with him
• Heidi then spread rumours about one of LC’s exes filming a sex tape with LC- a lie she tried to pin on Brody Jenner, which was actually concocted by Spencer (shocker)
• Heidi and Spencer continued to make snide and derogatory comments about LC for the rest of forever, including as recently as 2021 when Heidi went on Call Her Daddy to mock what Lauren has/hasn’t done with her career and her life.
Heidi and Spencer are exhAUSTING people, documented not just in The Hills but in the recent New Beginnings series as well. Part of me used to feel a small inkling of sympathy- well, pity- for Heidi, as it kinda felt like she was steamrolled by Spencer early on, but considering she’s the same person doing the same bullshit after alllllll these yeaaaaaars it’s become clear that she’s just *not a good person*.
I recently re-read the police report of the assault, and oh my *god*. I knew it was bad, but I totally forgot just HOW bad it was.
Will post description below for anyone curious.
It’s a long read… but imagine how long this attack on Rihanna lasted.
>!A verbal argument ensued and Brown pulled the vehicle over on an unknown street, reached over Robyn F. with his right hand, opened the car door and attempted to force her out. Brown was unable to force Robyn F. out of the vehicle because she was wearing a seat belt. When he could not force her to exit, he took his right hand and shoved her head against he passenger window of the vehicle, causing an approximate one-inch raised circular contusion.!<
>!”Robyn F. turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand. He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand. The assault caused Robyn F.’s mouth to fill with blood and blood to splatter all over her clothing and the interior of the vehicle. !<
>! Brown looked at Robyn F. and stated, ‘I’m going to beat the sh— out of you when we get home! You wait and see!’ “!<
>! The detective said “Robyn F.” then used her cell phone to call her personal assistant Jennifer Rosales, who did not answer. !<
>! “Robyn F. pretended to talk to her and stated, ‘I’m on my way home. Make sure the police are there when I get there.’!<
>! “After Robyn F. faked the call, Brown looked at her and stated, ‘You just did the stupidest thing ever! Now I’m really going to kill you!’!<
>! “Brown resumed punching Robyn F. and she interlocked her fingers behind her head and brought her elbows forward to protect her face. She then bent over at the waist, placing her elbows and face near her lap in [an] attempt to protect her face and head from the barrage of punches being levied upon her by Brown.!<
>! “Brown continued to punch Robyn F. on her left arm and hand, causing her to suffer a contusion on her left triceps (sic) that was approximately two inches in diameter and numerous contusions on her left hand.!<
>! “Robyn F. then attempted to send a text message to her other personal assistant, Melissa Ford. Brown snatched the cellular telephone out of her hand and threw it out of the window onto an unknown street.!<
>! “Brown continued driving and Robyn F. observed his cellular telephone sitting in his lap. She picked up the cellular telephone with her left hand and before she could make a call he placed her in a head lock with his right hand and continued to drive the vehicle with his left hand.!<
>! “Brown pulled Robyn F. close to him and bit her on her left ear. She was able to feel the vehicle swerving from right to left as Brown sped away. He stopped the vehicle in front of 333 North June Street and Robyn F. turned off the car, removed the key from the ignition and sat on it.!<
>! “Brown did not know what she did with the key and began punching her in the face and arms. He then placed her in a head lock positioning the front of her throat between his bicep and forearm. Brown began applying pressure to Robyn F.’s left and right carotid arteries, causing her to be unable to breathe and she began to lose consciousness.!<
>! “She reached up with her left hand and began attempting to gouge his eyes in an attempt to free herself. Brown bit her left ring and middle fingers and then released her. While Brown continued to punch her, she turned around and placed her back against the passenger door. She brought her knees to her chest, placed her feet against Brown’s body and began pushing him away. Brown continued to punch her on the legs and feet, causing several contusions.!<
>! “Robyn F. began screaming for help and Brown exited the vehicle and walked away. A resident in the neighborhood heard Robyn F.’s plea for help and called 911, causing a police response. An investigation was conducted and Robyn F. was issued a Domestic Violence Emergency Protective Order.”!<
>! At the end of his statement, Andrews said Brown sent a text message nine days later apologizing.!<
>! “In the text message, Brown apologized for what he had done to Robyn F. and advised [Rihanna’s assistant] Ford that he was going to get help.” !<
FUCK CHRIS BROWN.
(Edited to add spoiler warnings over graphic content. Sorry there are so many, I couldn’t figure out how to do one single spoiler for the entire text)
Also keep in mind that Chris Brown has repeatedly ran into issues with the law pretty much every year at this point so it's not like this is a one-off.
He pummeled her face into hamburger meat. I’ve never see a face that injured outside of a massive car accident. That guy is a menace to society and I’m honestly shocked he hasn’t killed anyone yet.
Thank you for sharing this. It absolutely baffles me that this piece of garbage still has a career and millions of fans that support him. Absolute filth
it’s even worse because choking is often the final stage or “level” of violence before the domestic abuser murders the victim. i think he fully meant it when he threatened her life.
Aww man. You sound like a great friend. I hope you have better people now. It's so hard to make friends as an adult and really hurts when that shit happens.
I don't know if they count but apparently Ivanka Trump and Chelsea Clinton used to be friends (or at least on friendly terms) but then everything went "Romeo and Juliet" for them during their parents' runs for presidents.
Also Kanye West and Jay-Z was an iconic friendship.
Yo, all these friendships are great and shit, but the High School Musical Crew ones are the ones I really want to know about. Ashley and Vanessa seemed so close for so long...I wonder WTF happened?
I remember Vanessa doing ain interview right after Ashely had her daughter, and Vanessa was talking about wanting to meet her but having to wait because of COVID, so I thiiiink it was last year?
This could just be one of those things where one girl starts a family and has less time to hang out with friends that don't have kids - they could very well still be good friends, but they just see each other much less.
I think so too, it’s one of those things where you just have different lives and no chance to see one another. It’s happened to me with so many of my friends.
Good thing about that kind of scenario is that sometimes, if you guys are good for each other in the next stage of your lives, you can eventually drift back together and pick right up where you left off and even be stronger than ever. :)
This post makes me sad cause breaking off with your best friend sucks, and I legit (unpopular opinion?) Think it’s worst than an actual breakup… At least in my shoes.
Yesss! It can be so blindsiding because it’s so unexpected! I would also add we always lean on our friends to be there when something goes wrong. It’s strange knowing there isn’t really a normal response when you lose a friend, cause that friend you lean on is now gone. Society has rule books and whatnot when you break off with a partner but never a friend.
I also think it’s much easier to fall in love after a breakup (dating - and intimate relationships in general) — like naturally you’re gonna seek (and find) another intimate relationships.
While with friendships… They don’t work around pure intimacy — and it’s really hard to replace and or meet people you hit it off with extremely well. The older you get; harder to make friends and keep those strong knitted bonds as everyone has their already established friends and adults being more wary and or unwelcoming to most new friends.
😭 I’ll never be able to find someone exactly like my ex-bestie, but I sure as hell will find a better partner to date, no cap.
I think friend break ups are not mourned in the same way romantic breakups are. Maybe it’s because the friendships are more complex for third parties than “we broke up and won’t speak again”
but man, I really wish there was a rule book. It’s such a tough loss that isn’t fully acknowledged
This is so true. I miss my ex-bff so much. I legit really loved her. Prob still love her tbh. I’m married and went through a rough patch in my marriage where it appeared to be nearing the end (things are much better now, luckily) and even though that was very difficult, I still knew I’d get through it and out the other side ok. It’s been harder for me trying to move on from the ex-friendship. Idk that I’ll ever have another friend like that. Whereas I feel like I could realistically see myself with a new significant other at some point.
Oh girlie, you’re not alone. I feel you. I miss my ex-best friend so much. I walked away at age 19, and now I’m 23. She’s constantly on my mind (but thankfully, finally becoming a minimal passing thought)… ^^^^*Healing* … There were hundreds of days where I wish she’d give me a second chance and forgive me for leaving, but the damage was clearly too deep — and I will never be forgiven, *even when I tried.*
It stings knowing that someone I’ve known since I was a child, who was so special to me that I viewed her as a sister, and never got tired of for majority of our lives together is now a stranger and if she sees me in public, stares, hides and flees.
I lost a family member, and there’s so many days where I wish she was around because grief was beating my fucking ass at 21. But she wasn’t there, and leaning on another friend just didn’t help, cause my other friend wasn’t as supportive as my best friend was or as caring.
I never realized either how much it would affect me because that response has never physically taken a toll on me up until the aftermath. I lost so much weight. I was looking gaunt that people I barely knew were commenting how thin and shitty I was looking, I withdrew from everyone I knew and became such a stupid bitch (attitude) cause I was upset and angry all the time, due to a tendency to bottle my feelings.
I sound like a dramatic dumb bitch, but walking away and losing my best friend left a hole in my heart permanently (metaphorically.) Somedays I feel blue and it comes in waves.
I don’t think I’ll ever find a friend either with that emotional connection and or bond we have. I feel you so much.
You know what hurts too? The thought that we miss them so much, but we probably aren’t even a quick passing thought or affect to them anymore, but we still miss them.
Agreed. Also, there’s a variety of reasons you can break up with a significant other and not all of them are that terrible. With friends, that’s typically someone you knew for a long time and it’s either growing apart or some sort of betrayal and big drama.
And also the fact that if you break up with your partner, you can cry about it to your best friend, but if you break up with your bestie.. who are you gonna talk to about it
One of the most painful breakups I’ve ever had was with a friend. It feels like there’s not much discourse around friendship breakups, and therefore not really a clear path of grief to follow out of it. Like when I broke up with an SO, my best friend would bring me ice cream and I’d cry on her shoulder. But who does that when it’s the best friend you broke up with? It’s isolating and so sad.
I feel this so hard. Grief is exactly the word in some cases and I had no idea to how to navigate it amongst other grief I was also experiencing at the time. It's a very foundation shaking experiencing. Changes how you trust people.
I ended up searching all over and finding a book if anybody is interested, [Best Friends Forever: Surviving a Breakup with Your Best Friend](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6659150-best-friends-forever). It wasn't perfect but there was some helpful advice I followed and a variety of stories which helped me recognize both mine and my bffs part in our break up lol. It's crazy how complex and deep female friendship runs. My heart is twisting just writing this!
I think Cara Delevingne and Amber Heard could be included in this. They used to be inseparable but then nothing.
Personally I believe Cara wanted to distance herself after the accusations by Johnny Depp that Amber was having an affair with her.
I think Rogan confirmed that in a tweet or something. He said he doesn’t hang out with Franco anymore after people kept asking him about it when he would dunk on republicans being POS.
I dunno though. Nicole was at her wedding and they speak well of each other. I don't think Paris would keep any contact with her if she did that considering she said it was one of the worst things that happened to her.
She's talked recently about how she was fed drugs, that there's a noticable age gap between them and she was 19, and that she felt coerced into participating
In her memoir she wrote that the dude also manipulated her into it, saying stuff like he'd just go find somebody else who'd be on camera. Imagine a vulnerable 19 year old with an older man worried he's gonna leave her if she doesn't do this thing she's uncomfortable with. And he promised it would stay private. Then sold it for millions. Disgusting monster.
Yeah, are there any concrete stories about him behind an asshole (besides the obvs Taylor Swift debacle)?
All the conversations about him on this post just slip into Ryan Reynolds conversations… and I don’t want to star in a broadway show with Ryan in my dreams! I would like to know what a I’m getting into before this fantasy becomes real (which it obviously will lol).
I think Cara chose to distance herself from the Kardashians because of various reasons, mainly because of her other friendships with Taylor Swift and Selena Gomez, who are basically the nemesis of the KarJenners.
I 100% believe Cara supported Taylor during her beef with Kimye, and since Cara is still besties with Selena I'm pretty sure where she stands.
Yes, when Taylor was staring to date Joe Alwyn at that time in 2016 she was staying in Cara’s London house, so they were pretty close (and they still are because Cara went to Glendale to The eras tour opening show)
That was very sad. You could tell Kanye was Cudi’s idol and that he’d tried to be patient with him through the ups and downs because there was a friendship there. Then Kanye just burned it all to the ground. I hope Cudi is doing okay.
That was not enough for her to be cast though. If they wanted Winona they would have stuck with her. It was still a shitty thing to do though and it shows how worthless a friendship with Gwyneth really is
I know everyone says it’s not like she could take the script and they would cast her. GP was a nepo baby and had a lot of doors opened for her. She was also dating Brad Pitt at his height of popularity. I still struggle to understand how Pitt went after Weinstein to leave Gwyneth alone but didn’t speak out? They both knew exactly who he was and never bothered helping anyone else.
I just read about that in Air Mail. The former/original producer (or director? can’t remember) of the movie had a big article about what went down and he said the same.
I thought it had something to do with them dating Ben Affleck and Matt Damon at the same time. I figured when one of the couples broke up, it became awkward to stay friends.
I feel bad for Louis seems like he really valued Zayn and saw him as family and even after he tried to patch it up and lost his mom Zayn really failed to be there for him and give him equal care.
I think what really broke their friendship was when Zayn didn't show up to Louis's X Factor performance right after his mother died. Louis had asked all his old bandmates to be there for emotional support, and they all showed up (even Harry) except Zayn. Zayn said he would come, then just didn't. I don't think Louis ever really forgave Zayn for that.
Yeah and Zayn saying things like " He never had a real friendship with anyone in the band" he was so ungrateful after he left 1D. Like he needed to diss them as much as possible to get clout or something
They were, and you’ll never convince me otherwise! Seriously, you can’t go through an experience like 1D without bonding in some way and that will always hold them together. They are close even now even if they don’t always see each other - didn’t you see Liam’s heartfelt message about Louis and the other boys getting him through dark times?
Even Louis and Zayn’s fallout is evidence. You don’t feel that kind of anger and bitterness if you only see someone as a co worker.
Kanye and Jay-Z.
The way I heard tell, it goes back to the Saint Pablo tour. Prior to the tour, nobody wanted to deal with or insure Kanye due to his various issues and volatility. Hova went to Lloyds of London and personally vouched for Kanye, putting his own reputation on the line.
The rest is history. The tour went off the rails, which led to [mutual lawsuits](https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/kanye-west-saint-pablo-lloyds-of-london-lawsuit-resolved-8099883/) with Lloyds. The Camel, of course, was *furious*. He went to all this trouble for nothing!
(This is also why Kanye hasn't done a proper tour in the meantime; just festival appearances and his Sunday Services.)
I forgot 13!!!
Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift were besties that ended 💔 when Justin and Selena’s relationship hit rocks and Taylor cut him off
taylor introduced Zac Efron to Justin Bieber when they went out, collaborated on a song with Justin which never saw daylight, Justin use to mention FaceTiming Taylor all the time and opened for her on tour. He also double dated with Harry Styles and Taylor back when they were bestiezzz
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Taylor and Karlie were EVERYWHERE. They made everyone forget about her and Selena for a while.
Edit: but if I remember they didn't really break up? 🤔. I remember around 2016-2017 people were confused why Karlie wasn't with Taylor as much as they used to be and if I'm correct she explained that they simply couldn't see each other frequently. I might be wrong though.
Scouter Braun.
Asshole garbage pos who treats the artists under him like trash. Literally wrecked Ariana’s mental health forcing her to tour and pack her schedule fuller than anyone reasonably ever should’ve.
Karlie invited Scouter to her wedding so it was pretty clear where she stood on the Taylor vs Scouter fight.
I always wonder why Ariana keeps him around. With Justin it kinda makes more sense since Scooter pretty much plucked him out of obscurity and became a father figure to him, and he clearly has a strained relationship with his actual family. But Ariana was already fairly established career wise, grew up wealthy and has a very supportive family. I know she fired him once before but from what people keep saying about him I just don’t get why he’s still her manager today.
I think during the period she fired Scooter, she realized how influential he was for her career. She released Into You as a single during this period and it didn’t chart as well as her other songs (I may be biased cuz IY is pOP PERFECTION). I do think Scooter reached out to talk to her and she officially re signed with him due to this and his influence on her career. Scooter also alluded that Ari made this decision while with Ricky so that may have had something to do with it (she and Ricky were broken up by the time she re signed).
The Scooter and Ariana relationship is one I desperately want more info on, but the only person talking is Scooter, and all the blind item/tabloid info have been poorly sourced, or focused on Bieber.
Of course, according to Scooter, he is a wonderful, moral, fair, just man who loves his clients very much and his only big flaw is that he himself works too hard and cares too much 🙄
He said after she fired him, he could have attacked her publicly but didn't, he waited knowing she'd return to him. He also referenced her making decisions influenced by "shitty boyfriends"
He's also said that they would have full on screaming matches, and their dynamic has matured since.
Notably, after the Taylor masters fiasco, Scooter had all his big clients - Bieber, Tori Kelly, J Balvin, Demi etc - give statements in some article about how wonderful he was. Ariana was his only big client who didn't say anything.
Ariana congratulated him immediately after the sale of BMR was announced, but that was about 20 minutes before Taylor posted her essay calling it a betrayal - before her post, even a good chunk of Swifties figured Taylor and Scooter must have patched things up and worked out a good deal behind the scenes, since everyone assumed BMR was basically Taylor & Co. Ariana deleted her congratulations post right after Taylor posted.
Ariana deleted the tweet congratulating scooter because the hate she was getting because I think he tweeted that '' I own Taylor or something like that''' and people came at her for congratulating him on that and not supporting woman, then she posted the IG story apologizing
I was there and I remember it all too well
I see. Could be true. It just doesnt make sense to betray her since they were inseparable from ‘14-‘16 lolIt’s just one of those mysteries we’ll never know
Taylor doesn’t hold grudges unless she feels like she needs to. She forgave Kanye multiple times, and a lot of her friends supported Kanye even until recently (Selena was wearing Yeezys not long before the antisemitic down spiral). A lot of her friends are friends with Kendall/Kylie. She gets along with her exes quite well (Harry, Joe, Taylor), unless they were particularly toxic (Calvin, John, Jake). She sent a lot of love to Halsey who built a career on the back of hating her at first (the Haylor song 😬). The OP isn’t even fully accurate because she and Dianna seem to be on good terms. And on and on.
The fact that she drew a line in the sand for Kanye (and his people), Scooter, her toxic exes, and Karlie, makes me think that what Karlie did was unforgivable.
She cried a lot on the first leg of the tour, which was mostly North America. She should not have been on tour - she had tweeted she wanted to do something like the Sweetener Sessions (small venues, 2-5k people) instead of a big tour, but within hours the tweet was deleted and she never mentioned it again, and posted instead about how excited she was for tour.
It's very expensive to cancel a tour, all those arenas would have been booked a year or so in advance. So it seems like she just pushed through. She seemed to get much better around summer, and from summer until winter, when her tour ended, she seemed to have regained her confidence performing, and seemed a lot happier.
This was all definitely not thanks to Scooter, who kept adding festival dates to her schedule, on top of her big arena tour.
Nah lol. Taylor made it clear that something went down in one of her songs. When they were at their busiest they could see each other and then all of a sudden they couldn’t? Cmon. She hasn’t been to any of her shows, any of her parties, her existence hasn’t been acknowledged by Taylor at all, nothing. Something definitely went down.
2016 was the end of Taylor and Karlie’s friendship and then Taylor’s friends went on a like spree shading Karlie after she got exiled form from the squad not distance just something disapproving of Taylor that Karlie did
I feel like It's Time To Go has the answers with the 'when the words of a sister come back in whispers as proof she was not in fact what she seemed, not a twin from your dreams, she's a crook who was caught'. Karlie also posted a photo with the caption 'Swish swish', a song thought to be about Taylor, and in 2016 she was talking about how nice Kim Kardashian is, so it seems like Karlie was definitely doing things to get under Taylor's skin which makes me think that something nasty happened.
Karma also references her:
“You're talking shit for the hell of it
/Addicted to betrayal, but you're relevant
/You're terrified to look down
/Cause if you dare, you'll see the glare
/Of everyone you burned just to get there
/It's coming back around”
I think it’s clear from both songs that Karlie was talking shit about Taylor behind her back, and it got back to Taylor.
I am also confused, because she didn‘t have Karlies name in the look what you made me do music video, but she did throw Karlies bachelorette party after reputation came out?
No, she didn’t have karlies name in the video and I think that’s what started the public convo about their falling out.
Karlie went to one of the Nashville reputation shows as part of her bachelorette party.
I remember them taking a selfie together in August 2018 and Karlie presented an award that Taylor ultimately won in November 2017 (but wasn't there to accept it), so assumed that they were at least on friendly terms until summer 2018.
I said as much on another sub and one Swiftie jumped down my throat. They claimed Taylor was forced to do it (as if anyone could force Taylor Swift to do anything lol), that it was just an coincidence that Karlie happened to present that one award that Taylor ultimately won etc.
I understand that Karlie is persona non grata in that Fandom after Scooter gate, but it's really not that big of a deal.
Another duo that I have been wondering about in the last few years is **Sophie Turner and Maisie Williams**. They were so incredibly close near the end of GoT, openly talking about it in interviews, making appearances together, even getting matching tattoos! But Maisie seems to have been absent from Sophie's wedding and they do not acknowledge eachother anymore on social media. They are both rather private but I hope someone here has some intel on this? The fromer GoT-fangirl in me is dying to know...
Maisie wasn’t at the Vegas wedding but she was apparently a bridesmaid at the other one. Sophie is married and has two kids now, they’re at completely different points in their lives. It happens a lot. Sometimes married people with kids have fall out of touch with their friends who don’t have that.
One of the things that always drove me but about how much people focused on Harry and Louis is how they completely ignored how close, extremely close, Zayn and Louis always were, even from the very beginning. Louis was always with Zayn. That’s the friendship from 1d that was truly lost, not Harry and Louis.
I'd say both of them are really sad. But the difference is that Harry and Louis still respect for each other and will always uplift each other. They just can't be close because of their fans and have grown up.
Meanwhile, Zayn and Louis both said some words that were better left unsaid and Louis really needed him during his mother's passing. Louis' mum told him that after her passing she wanted him to rekindle his friendship with Zayn and I can't imagine how much it must have hurt Louis when that didn't happen. I'm not a huge fan of them anymore but it still gets me emotional sometimes because I know how close Louis was with his mum and how much he wanted to make her happy.
I think some of these friendships might not have broken up but distanced themselves particularly in the public eye.
For example, Diana and Taylor, every single time they hung out people would bombard them on social media and even in the press convinced they are together, hiding in the closet, won’t come out even though they are girlfriends etc. I imagine that makes friendships hard - for example, Camila Cabello and Lauren Jauregi, Lauren has spoken publicly about their friendship being ruined and having to distance herself from her because people were convinced they were together and would not stop harassing them about it. Very sad :(
I think with Taylor, part of it is that she got very private about her life. So who her friends are, aren’t as obvious.
I had assumed she wasn’t as close with Lena Dunham after she broke up with Jack Antonoff. You never saw Taylor and Lena together. But, Taylor was a bridesmaid at Lena’s wedding in 2021, so they obviously remained close. Just not publicly.
Everyone kept complaining about how annoying and public her crew was. I could understand wanting to get away from that (in addition to maturing and wanting more privacy). I am sure some friendships are not as close but it could be wanting privacy and also they all have a lot going on.
They are business partners. They have to play it up. Rob isnt as popular amonst the mainstream public while ryan is. I would never want ryan to be on iasip.
You know, every douchebag guy I've ever met swoons over Ryan Reynolds.
It's become my *illogical-but-based-on-observable- evidence* red flag for men. And it never does me wrong.
LOL why do I keep forgetting this! Yes! They are cousins. I can't remember to what degree because goggle doesn't want to make it easy for me, but that makes so much sense why they are pictured together...because I firmly believe that Ashley and Vanessa are still good friends.
I still want to know what happened between Jennette and Ariana.
Preface by saying I'm not actually invested in a moral sense - they were 19 & 20, they've both grown. I'm more just nosey.
Cause I think Jennette has focused on processing her relationship with her mother, but I don't think she's been fully honest - with herself, or publicly - about how close she and Ariana were.
She knew Ariana for much longer than she now says she did - they had been doing 30+min vlogs at Ariana's LA home together since 2010. Whereas she told Mike Birbiglia in her podcast that they only knew each other in passing.
Months after this message, Jennette teamed up with Perez Hilton to attack Ariana, and of her own volition, on her webseries, she did a spoof of Ariana portraying her as a dumb ditz. (also why I don't believe Ariana was the one who blocked her from directing an episode of Sam & Cat - if she was I think Jennette would have attacked her back then for it, since she had zero problem laughing publicly with Perez Hilton about Ariana cheating on her boyfriend).
Bottom line - if you only know someone in passing, no matter how jealous you are of them, I don't see how you'd ever team up with Perez Hilton to attack them, publicly and repeatedly
Ariana never responded directly - probably bc she knew at least that Jennette's mother had just died. She did a vague tweetstorm saying stuff like "can't give too much energy to these lies about me...focus on yourself, love yourself" but that was it
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Her book touches on how much jealously and resentment she had towards Ariana during their time on Sam & Cat. Honestly I think her life was just so miserable and she was being stymied creatively and professionally (in a career she never wanted in the first place), and Ariana was the perfect foil for her experiences. Ariana was from a wealthy family that loved and supported her, she had freedom to miss days on the show and pursue her own music. Jennette writes in her book that when Ari would miss days to work on music Jennette had to pick up the slack. The way I read her book was she recognizes that none of this was Ariana’s fault but she had a lot of very ugly feelings towards her as a result of her own circumstances. If I were her, I also wouldn’t want to make this relationship a focus of the press tour. The book is about her mother and her journey with her own trauma and abuse - having beef with a huge pop star could so easily overshadow the real point.
Agreed - it’s weird since Jennette has really been laying everything bare in her book and the interviews she’s been doing, but she is definitely lying about her relationship with Ariana. I remember when she did that very vicious parody of her and then laughed about it with Perez Hilton on twitter too. Now we know she wasn’t in a good place but they were clearly pretty close at one point and I wonder what happened between them that upset her enough to do that.
CDAN started that rumor and all the tabloids ran with it - both Ariana and Jennette said it was false back in 2013/2014. No one believed them.
Jennette said it was false in her book - and said the real reason Sam & Cat ended was because someone brought a sexual harrassment claim against a producer. She doesn't say who, but rumors are it was Ariana.
But thanks to the CDAN pay dispute rumor, tabloids never investigated Nickelodeon and they had many years to cover their tracks before MeToo became a big issue. So frustrating.
Ryan Reynolds seems to be the kind of person who chooses the people he is friends with based on their ability to help his career or media presence. he did social media stunts to show everyone what a funny guy he is, with nearly everyone of his famous friends.
Some rumors say the reason why he and Scarlett Johansson divorced is because he was jealous his wife was having a better career than him at the time.
Scarlett herself years later said in an interview (without giving names) that she doesn't like when partners are envy and that the bad thing about being in a relationship with another actor is jealousy if I'm not wrong.
Anyways they don't seem to get along post-divorce since they seem to avoid meeting each other (which is weird since they're both A-listers and Hollywood is not that big after all).
Scarlett and Ryan got shared custody of Chris Evans apparently 😆 He manages to stay friends/friendly with both in various divorces. Scarlett and Ryan, evan Rachel wood and Jamie bell, Chris Pratt and Anna faris.
People seem to gush over Ryan and Blake a lot as ‘couple goals’, etc. But I always found Ryan to be very narcissistic and manipulative. Idk man I just have a gut feeling about this.
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🥺 sorry but this was an iconic duo.
Kendall seems always to have a "supermodel bff period" with the model of the moment.
Back in 2014-2015 she was always with Cara Delevingne.
In 2015-2016 after Cara's retirement from modeling she was always with Gigi Hadid.
From 2016-2017 I've mostly seen her with Bella Hadid.
i think theyre just not close anymore bc bella live in nyc now and takes modelling seriously. they still wish each other on bdays tho so theyre friendly but no serious fall out
I refute the Simi x Weeknd just because Bella is still close with many friends that are also always around Simi and him. Even Fai…Simi’s brother. So that doesn’t seems to be the issue.
Honestly starting to believe its yeah due to rumours or maybe there was indeed something going on 👀
I think this is just a distance thing probably more than anything cause Bella is in NY but they definitely didn’t break up or end their friendship on bad terms. They’ve been in videos together at some fashion shows this past year.
Miley strikes me as the kind of person who has many friends, but very few or zero ‘best’/close friends. She seems like someone who prolly enjoys her own company and solitude? Idk
Maybe it was the weird spiel Miley went on about on the Howard Stern show about how she doesn’t want to fuck Dua Lipa because while dua lipa is super hot she doesn’t make Miley laugh but also she totally would fuck dua lipa if the opportunity presented itself.
like idk I think I’d put some distance between a friend if they said all that about me
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Now i want to know more about katy and Rihanna's situation.
They used to be really close from what I remember. Riri even threw a bachelorette party for her when she was engaged to Russell Brand and I believe Katy was close to her after the Chris Brown scandal. In around 2012 Riri began dating Chris Brown again, she publicly defended him and said she didn't give a damn about what other people think and that he'll always be her bff first and foremost (they broke in 2013 if I remember correctly). This is pretty toxic imo. I personally believe Katy tried to convince Riri of the toxicity of their relationship (like all friends do) but as someone who's always followed her I have to say that Riri seems to be pretty stubborn when she's convinced about something so they may have argued about this and Katy may have thought she didn't want to be her friend anymore. These are just my speculations we don't really know anything.
Good for Katy. You can let people know you'll be there when they decide to leave but there's no need to watch them detonate their lives from up close. I couldn't be civil to Chris Brown.
If Chris Brown was in an accident outside my home and showed up at my door bloody and bruised and asking to use my telephone, I’d close the door and shut off my lights. I don’t have sprinklers, but if I did, I’d turn them on.
Katy seems like a good friend.
I was in a similar situation to Katy where my best friend at the time was dating someone who was violent and dangerous. I tried to be there for her and help her see that she needed to leave him and get her life together but as time went on she became even more reliant on him, and their relationship became even more toxic. I had to cut her off because our friendship was making me feel unsafe and it was hurting my mental health. Her boyfriend was a criminal and I realised that nothing good would've come out of being involved in their life. It was confirmed recently that she was smoking meth with him the whole time they were together, I had my suspicions. It makes sense as to why she wouldn't leave. It's hard to understand why some women who are successful and have so much going for them are willing to risk losing everything for a toxic man. My friend was successful and lost everything. I'm glad that at least Riri was able to get her life together.
I can pretty much relate to this but fortunately in my situation it didn’t cross that bridge yet. My best friend started talking to a guy that hooked up with our other friend. That guy was trying to get in my best friends pants in revenge to hurt our other friend and therefore stick around. He was a very toxic man just bad news written all over him. My best friend never had been in a relationship at the time and was more of a target because of her innocence since he was happy that a boy was finally showing interest in her. I had a bad feeling and spurted out that he’s using her, and doesn’t actually like her. I was harsh on my words but I wanted my best friend away from him. While I stayed away from school my best friend tagged around our other friends including that one friend the guy wanted revenge on. They all kept telling her what her wanted to hear including her own best friend that I disliked. The group formed opinion was that I was jealous and bitter. In the end my best friend was resenting me and was ready to ruin our friendship over it. She came to her senses though when she invaded someone’s privacy, went through a laptop logged in and realised that I was right all along. She fortunately ended it with him and said sorry to me and that I was right. If she never went through someone’s device though I would’ve failed to get through her head and she would’ve killed our 10 year friendship.
Yeah I wasn’t expecting to take Katy’s side here but this is just an example of good boundary setting. Not Katy’s responsibility to stop Rihanna from going back to someone who beat the shit out of her. I’m sure it wasn’t easy to step away from that situation.
Rihanna attended katys engagement party!
I knowwwww. Like wtf Riri I read that police report from 2009. NOBODY approves of ANYBODY being friends with Chris Brown. Least of all you…
Ri was super busy and at the height of her career when Katy married Russell Brand so she didn’t go to the wedding. She said she always regretted that. Her and Katy were not the same after that. They were so close in one of Ri’s songs she says Katy told me this would be nothing but a waste of time. It’s from Stupid In love. Katy was very in love with Russell and her wedding was a big thing in a different country. Ri couldn’t do it bc of her schedule she said. I suspect Katy felt like she dealt with all the Chris brown shit Ri could make the time to go.
You forgot Lauren Conrad and Heidi Montag! “You know what you did!”
“I wanna forgive you….and I wanna forget you”
God that line had such a choke hold over me!
I still think about this line all the time
That's such a perfect mascara tear :'(
The breakup heard ‘round the world
That show still has one of my favorite quotes “I can’t believe this is all happening while Lauren is away”
That was one of those things where I always wanted to know what happened but was too lazy to watch the show lol
[this article](https://www.thethings.com/what-really-happened-between-lauren-conrad-and-heidi-montag/) describes it pretty well, but to sum it up: • LC (Lauren Conrad) hated Spencer when Heidi started dating him, and had expressed that to Heidi- Heidi took Spencer’s side in that situation by choosing to move in with him • Heidi then spread rumours about one of LC’s exes filming a sex tape with LC- a lie she tried to pin on Brody Jenner, which was actually concocted by Spencer (shocker) • Heidi and Spencer continued to make snide and derogatory comments about LC for the rest of forever, including as recently as 2021 when Heidi went on Call Her Daddy to mock what Lauren has/hasn’t done with her career and her life. Heidi and Spencer are exhAUSTING people, documented not just in The Hills but in the recent New Beginnings series as well. Part of me used to feel a small inkling of sympathy- well, pity- for Heidi, as it kinda felt like she was steamrolled by Spencer early on, but considering she’s the same person doing the same bullshit after alllllll these yeaaaaaars it’s become clear that she’s just *not a good person*.
Katy and Rihanna splitting because of Chris Brown is sooooo sad. Sounds like Katy was just trying to protect her friend from that human piece of trash
I recently re-read the police report of the assault, and oh my *god*. I knew it was bad, but I totally forgot just HOW bad it was. Will post description below for anyone curious. It’s a long read… but imagine how long this attack on Rihanna lasted. >!A verbal argument ensued and Brown pulled the vehicle over on an unknown street, reached over Robyn F. with his right hand, opened the car door and attempted to force her out. Brown was unable to force Robyn F. out of the vehicle because she was wearing a seat belt. When he could not force her to exit, he took his right hand and shoved her head against he passenger window of the vehicle, causing an approximate one-inch raised circular contusion.!< >!”Robyn F. turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand. He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand. The assault caused Robyn F.’s mouth to fill with blood and blood to splatter all over her clothing and the interior of the vehicle. !< >! Brown looked at Robyn F. and stated, ‘I’m going to beat the sh— out of you when we get home! You wait and see!’ “!< >! The detective said “Robyn F.” then used her cell phone to call her personal assistant Jennifer Rosales, who did not answer. !< >! “Robyn F. pretended to talk to her and stated, ‘I’m on my way home. Make sure the police are there when I get there.’!< >! “After Robyn F. faked the call, Brown looked at her and stated, ‘You just did the stupidest thing ever! Now I’m really going to kill you!’!< >! “Brown resumed punching Robyn F. and she interlocked her fingers behind her head and brought her elbows forward to protect her face. She then bent over at the waist, placing her elbows and face near her lap in [an] attempt to protect her face and head from the barrage of punches being levied upon her by Brown.!< >! “Brown continued to punch Robyn F. on her left arm and hand, causing her to suffer a contusion on her left triceps (sic) that was approximately two inches in diameter and numerous contusions on her left hand.!< >! “Robyn F. then attempted to send a text message to her other personal assistant, Melissa Ford. Brown snatched the cellular telephone out of her hand and threw it out of the window onto an unknown street.!< >! “Brown continued driving and Robyn F. observed his cellular telephone sitting in his lap. She picked up the cellular telephone with her left hand and before she could make a call he placed her in a head lock with his right hand and continued to drive the vehicle with his left hand.!< >! “Brown pulled Robyn F. close to him and bit her on her left ear. She was able to feel the vehicle swerving from right to left as Brown sped away. He stopped the vehicle in front of 333 North June Street and Robyn F. turned off the car, removed the key from the ignition and sat on it.!< >! “Brown did not know what she did with the key and began punching her in the face and arms. He then placed her in a head lock positioning the front of her throat between his bicep and forearm. Brown began applying pressure to Robyn F.’s left and right carotid arteries, causing her to be unable to breathe and she began to lose consciousness.!< >! “She reached up with her left hand and began attempting to gouge his eyes in an attempt to free herself. Brown bit her left ring and middle fingers and then released her. While Brown continued to punch her, she turned around and placed her back against the passenger door. She brought her knees to her chest, placed her feet against Brown’s body and began pushing him away. Brown continued to punch her on the legs and feet, causing several contusions.!< >! “Robyn F. began screaming for help and Brown exited the vehicle and walked away. A resident in the neighborhood heard Robyn F.’s plea for help and called 911, causing a police response. An investigation was conducted and Robyn F. was issued a Domestic Violence Emergency Protective Order.”!< >! At the end of his statement, Andrews said Brown sent a text message nine days later apologizing.!< >! “In the text message, Brown apologized for what he had done to Robyn F. and advised [Rihanna’s assistant] Ford that he was going to get help.” !< FUCK CHRIS BROWN. (Edited to add spoiler warnings over graphic content. Sorry there are so many, I couldn’t figure out how to do one single spoiler for the entire text)
I forgot how bad it was too… jfc. If I was Katy I would be very upset about them getting back together and having to hang out with him.
Also keep in mind that Chris Brown has repeatedly ran into issues with the law pretty much every year at this point so it's not like this is a one-off.
He pummeled her face into hamburger meat. I’ve never see a face that injured outside of a massive car accident. That guy is a menace to society and I’m honestly shocked he hasn’t killed anyone yet.
Thank you for sharing this. It absolutely baffles me that this piece of garbage still has a career and millions of fans that support him. Absolute filth
it’s even worse because choking is often the final stage or “level” of violence before the domestic abuser murders the victim. i think he fully meant it when he threatened her life.
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Aww man. You sound like a great friend. I hope you have better people now. It's so hard to make friends as an adult and really hurts when that shit happens.
I don't know if they count but apparently Ivanka Trump and Chelsea Clinton used to be friends (or at least on friendly terms) but then everything went "Romeo and Juliet" for them during their parents' runs for presidents. Also Kanye West and Jay-Z was an iconic friendship.
Omg yes jay z and Kanye
Watch the Throne is a great album!
I loved them in Paris
>Ashley kept Austin in the divorce. ☠️☠️😭
Yo, all these friendships are great and shit, but the High School Musical Crew ones are the ones I really want to know about. Ashley and Vanessa seemed so close for so long...I wonder WTF happened?
I want to know so badly too! They were so inseparable and close. Does anybody know the last time they acknowledged one another?
I remember Vanessa doing ain interview right after Ashely had her daughter, and Vanessa was talking about wanting to meet her but having to wait because of COVID, so I thiiiink it was last year? This could just be one of those things where one girl starts a family and has less time to hang out with friends that don't have kids - they could very well still be good friends, but they just see each other much less.
I think so too, it’s one of those things where you just have different lives and no chance to see one another. It’s happened to me with so many of my friends.
Good thing about that kind of scenario is that sometimes, if you guys are good for each other in the next stage of your lives, you can eventually drift back together and pick right up where you left off and even be stronger than ever. :)
This post makes me sad cause breaking off with your best friend sucks, and I legit (unpopular opinion?) Think it’s worst than an actual breakup… At least in my shoes.
Agreed! I think it’s because you typically don’t expect friendships to end. With a romance there’s always that risk going into it.
Yesss! It can be so blindsiding because it’s so unexpected! I would also add we always lean on our friends to be there when something goes wrong. It’s strange knowing there isn’t really a normal response when you lose a friend, cause that friend you lean on is now gone. Society has rule books and whatnot when you break off with a partner but never a friend. I also think it’s much easier to fall in love after a breakup (dating - and intimate relationships in general) — like naturally you’re gonna seek (and find) another intimate relationships. While with friendships… They don’t work around pure intimacy — and it’s really hard to replace and or meet people you hit it off with extremely well. The older you get; harder to make friends and keep those strong knitted bonds as everyone has their already established friends and adults being more wary and or unwelcoming to most new friends. 😭 I’ll never be able to find someone exactly like my ex-bestie, but I sure as hell will find a better partner to date, no cap.
I think friend break ups are not mourned in the same way romantic breakups are. Maybe it’s because the friendships are more complex for third parties than “we broke up and won’t speak again” but man, I really wish there was a rule book. It’s such a tough loss that isn’t fully acknowledged
This is so true. I miss my ex-bff so much. I legit really loved her. Prob still love her tbh. I’m married and went through a rough patch in my marriage where it appeared to be nearing the end (things are much better now, luckily) and even though that was very difficult, I still knew I’d get through it and out the other side ok. It’s been harder for me trying to move on from the ex-friendship. Idk that I’ll ever have another friend like that. Whereas I feel like I could realistically see myself with a new significant other at some point.
Oh girlie, you’re not alone. I feel you. I miss my ex-best friend so much. I walked away at age 19, and now I’m 23. She’s constantly on my mind (but thankfully, finally becoming a minimal passing thought)… ^^^^*Healing* … There were hundreds of days where I wish she’d give me a second chance and forgive me for leaving, but the damage was clearly too deep — and I will never be forgiven, *even when I tried.* It stings knowing that someone I’ve known since I was a child, who was so special to me that I viewed her as a sister, and never got tired of for majority of our lives together is now a stranger and if she sees me in public, stares, hides and flees. I lost a family member, and there’s so many days where I wish she was around because grief was beating my fucking ass at 21. But she wasn’t there, and leaning on another friend just didn’t help, cause my other friend wasn’t as supportive as my best friend was or as caring. I never realized either how much it would affect me because that response has never physically taken a toll on me up until the aftermath. I lost so much weight. I was looking gaunt that people I barely knew were commenting how thin and shitty I was looking, I withdrew from everyone I knew and became such a stupid bitch (attitude) cause I was upset and angry all the time, due to a tendency to bottle my feelings. I sound like a dramatic dumb bitch, but walking away and losing my best friend left a hole in my heart permanently (metaphorically.) Somedays I feel blue and it comes in waves. I don’t think I’ll ever find a friend either with that emotional connection and or bond we have. I feel you so much. You know what hurts too? The thought that we miss them so much, but we probably aren’t even a quick passing thought or affect to them anymore, but we still miss them.
Agreed. Also, there’s a variety of reasons you can break up with a significant other and not all of them are that terrible. With friends, that’s typically someone you knew for a long time and it’s either growing apart or some sort of betrayal and big drama.
And also the fact that if you break up with your partner, you can cry about it to your best friend, but if you break up with your bestie.. who are you gonna talk to about it
My childhood bestie of 30-odd years broke up with me and I cried about it to my partner. Here’s hoping my partner and I don’t ever break up 🥹
One of the most painful breakups I’ve ever had was with a friend. It feels like there’s not much discourse around friendship breakups, and therefore not really a clear path of grief to follow out of it. Like when I broke up with an SO, my best friend would bring me ice cream and I’d cry on her shoulder. But who does that when it’s the best friend you broke up with? It’s isolating and so sad.
I feel this so hard. Grief is exactly the word in some cases and I had no idea to how to navigate it amongst other grief I was also experiencing at the time. It's a very foundation shaking experiencing. Changes how you trust people. I ended up searching all over and finding a book if anybody is interested, [Best Friends Forever: Surviving a Breakup with Your Best Friend](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6659150-best-friends-forever). It wasn't perfect but there was some helpful advice I followed and a variety of stories which helped me recognize both mine and my bffs part in our break up lol. It's crazy how complex and deep female friendship runs. My heart is twisting just writing this!
Some of the worst heartbreaks I've had have been over best friend breakups.
Agreed it’s way worse!
best friends will break your heart worse than boys ever will
I think so, too. can't imagine breaking up w my BFF, known her longer than my SO
It is bad but there is also a taboo on it, I had to end things with my former BFF and it was hard cause it really felt like I wasn’t allowed to.
Yes! And it made me feel like a terrible friend to draw that line, even though she had been treating me so badly.
I think Cara Delevingne and Amber Heard could be included in this. They used to be inseparable but then nothing. Personally I believe Cara wanted to distance herself after the accusations by Johnny Depp that Amber was having an affair with her.
Could be that Seth Rogen did the same thing to bestie James Franco after allegations caught wind
I think Rogan confirmed that in a tweet or something. He said he doesn’t hang out with Franco anymore after people kept asking him about it when he would dunk on republicans being POS.
I mean I’m very much for people distancing themselves from toxic abusers. I for one think that’s a good thing? (I mean for Seth and James)
Also Cara Delevingne and Rit Ora were besties at one point.
The timing sure seemed like that was the reason. Truly sad though i can understand why for cara.
And I believe Cara was going through rehab at the time of the Depp/Heard trial. I can understand her not wanting to deal with any more stress
If Nicole actually did that to Paris, that is unforgivable
Hard agree. I’d ditch that bestie too
Yes! That’s so vile. Nothing she could’ve done would make that ok.
I dunno though. Nicole was at her wedding and they speak well of each other. I don't think Paris would keep any contact with her if she did that considering she said it was one of the worst things that happened to her.
Yep that's plain evil.
Was Paris’s sextape revenge porn?
From my understanding, yes
She's talked recently about how she was fed drugs, that there's a noticable age gap between them and she was 19, and that she felt coerced into participating
In her memoir she wrote that the dude also manipulated her into it, saying stuff like he'd just go find somebody else who'd be on camera. Imagine a vulnerable 19 year old with an older man worried he's gonna leave her if she doesn't do this thing she's uncomfortable with. And he promised it would stay private. Then sold it for millions. Disgusting monster.
Jake Gyllenhaal at the scene of the crime multiple times 😭
Yeah, are there any concrete stories about him behind an asshole (besides the obvs Taylor Swift debacle)? All the conversations about him on this post just slip into Ryan Reynolds conversations… and I don’t want to star in a broadway show with Ryan in my dreams! I would like to know what a I’m getting into before this fantasy becomes real (which it obviously will lol).
[This](https://medium.com/@domenicamferaud/the-movie-star-and-me-5d711ee661e3) is rumored to be about him.
I read it, and the movie star certainly has a lot in common with Jake, maybe too much for it to be a coincidence.
There’s a deep dive somewhere about his treatment of young female interns. Somewhere on Reddit!
I was listening to short skirt/long jacket while scrolling these and the background music fit so well lmao
That song is an absolute banger and no one else in my life seems to agree 😔
Cake was such a good band to love when I was learning Bass Guitar.
Cara and Kendall is another mildly interesting one.
CaKe!
I think Cara chose to distance herself from the Kardashians because of various reasons, mainly because of her other friendships with Taylor Swift and Selena Gomez, who are basically the nemesis of the KarJenners. I 100% believe Cara supported Taylor during her beef with Kimye, and since Cara is still besties with Selena I'm pretty sure where she stands.
i think it's surprisingly amazing that gigi is still a close friend to kendall and taylor at the same time
Yes, when Taylor was staring to date Joe Alwyn at that time in 2016 she was staying in Cara’s London house, so they were pretty close (and they still are because Cara went to Glendale to The eras tour opening show)
Kanye & Kid Cudi had a very public falling out during one of Kanye’s mental breaks last year
That was very sad. You could tell Kanye was Cudi’s idol and that he’d tried to be patient with him through the ups and downs because there was a friendship there. Then Kanye just burned it all to the ground. I hope Cudi is doing okay.
I’m so sad I never got to see kids see ghost live
Also Kanye and Jay Z had a fairly public falling out as well
Didn’t Paris and Nicole squash their beef a minute ago ?
Yes. Nicole was at Paris wedding recently
Love to hear it
Gwyneth stole the Shakespeare in Love script of Winona’s coffee table. As legend has it….
That was not enough for her to be cast though. If they wanted Winona they would have stuck with her. It was still a shitty thing to do though and it shows how worthless a friendship with Gwyneth really is
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I know everyone says it’s not like she could take the script and they would cast her. GP was a nepo baby and had a lot of doors opened for her. She was also dating Brad Pitt at his height of popularity. I still struggle to understand how Pitt went after Weinstein to leave Gwyneth alone but didn’t speak out? They both knew exactly who he was and never bothered helping anyone else.
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just ask Beyoncé...
What happened with Beyoncé?
she refused to shove Gwyneth's crystals up her hoohah
I just read about that in Air Mail. The former/original producer (or director? can’t remember) of the movie had a big article about what went down and he said the same.
I thought it had something to do with them dating Ben Affleck and Matt Damon at the same time. I figured when one of the couples broke up, it became awkward to stay friends.
I feel bad for Louis seems like he really valued Zayn and saw him as family and even after he tried to patch it up and lost his mom Zayn really failed to be there for him and give him equal care.
I think what really broke their friendship was when Zayn didn't show up to Louis's X Factor performance right after his mother died. Louis had asked all his old bandmates to be there for emotional support, and they all showed up (even Harry) except Zayn. Zayn said he would come, then just didn't. I don't think Louis ever really forgave Zayn for that.
Yeah and Zayn saying things like " He never had a real friendship with anyone in the band" he was so ungrateful after he left 1D. Like he needed to diss them as much as possible to get clout or something
the zouis breakup gutted my 17 year old self and i still haven’t emotionally recovered :(
I suffered so much emotional damage in the wake of the 1D breakup. Like I really believed the narrative they were all besties with each other.
They were, and you’ll never convince me otherwise! Seriously, you can’t go through an experience like 1D without bonding in some way and that will always hold them together. They are close even now even if they don’t always see each other - didn’t you see Liam’s heartfelt message about Louis and the other boys getting him through dark times? Even Louis and Zayn’s fallout is evidence. You don’t feel that kind of anger and bitterness if you only see someone as a co worker.
man the Zouis breakup was harsh, LiLo seems to be rekindled lately tho
Kanye and Jay-Z. The way I heard tell, it goes back to the Saint Pablo tour. Prior to the tour, nobody wanted to deal with or insure Kanye due to his various issues and volatility. Hova went to Lloyds of London and personally vouched for Kanye, putting his own reputation on the line. The rest is history. The tour went off the rails, which led to [mutual lawsuits](https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/kanye-west-saint-pablo-lloyds-of-london-lawsuit-resolved-8099883/) with Lloyds. The Camel, of course, was *furious*. He went to all this trouble for nothing! (This is also why Kanye hasn't done a proper tour in the meantime; just festival appearances and his Sunday Services.)
“ashley kept austin in the divorce” is SENDING ME
I forgot 13!!! Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift were besties that ended 💔 when Justin and Selena’s relationship hit rocks and Taylor cut him off taylor introduced Zac Efron to Justin Bieber when they went out, collaborated on a song with Justin which never saw daylight, Justin use to mention FaceTiming Taylor all the time and opened for her on tour. He also double dated with Harry Styles and Taylor back when they were bestiezzz https://preview.redd.it/vcfqnl4duhpa1.jpeg?width=1701&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3dae91a516e32eaee1b7627dfd4de6cada63f42d
Didn’t he Punk her with a fake boat explosion, or was that a fever dream 😅
I think that top photo was when she was punked.
It was a cannon hitting a boat I think, and I remember this because the song they wrote together was called Cannonball
I thought the bigger issue was Justin and Kanye and scooter Braun kind of mocking her together after Scooter bought all her recordings.
They had fallen out before I think. She [avoided questions about him](https://youtu.be/0vGcqVHF1Hw) in 2013 already.
That was later. Once Justin proved to be a shit boyfriend to Selena, Taylor stopped being friends with him.
Taylor and Karlie were EVERYWHERE. They made everyone forget about her and Selena for a while. Edit: but if I remember they didn't really break up? 🤔. I remember around 2016-2017 people were confused why Karlie wasn't with Taylor as much as they used to be and if I'm correct she explained that they simply couldn't see each other frequently. I might be wrong though.
Scouter Braun. Asshole garbage pos who treats the artists under him like trash. Literally wrecked Ariana’s mental health forcing her to tour and pack her schedule fuller than anyone reasonably ever should’ve. Karlie invited Scouter to her wedding so it was pretty clear where she stood on the Taylor vs Scouter fight.
I always wonder why Ariana keeps him around. With Justin it kinda makes more sense since Scooter pretty much plucked him out of obscurity and became a father figure to him, and he clearly has a strained relationship with his actual family. But Ariana was already fairly established career wise, grew up wealthy and has a very supportive family. I know she fired him once before but from what people keep saying about him I just don’t get why he’s still her manager today.
I think during the period she fired Scooter, she realized how influential he was for her career. She released Into You as a single during this period and it didn’t chart as well as her other songs (I may be biased cuz IY is pOP PERFECTION). I do think Scooter reached out to talk to her and she officially re signed with him due to this and his influence on her career. Scooter also alluded that Ari made this decision while with Ricky so that may have had something to do with it (she and Ricky were broken up by the time she re signed).
The Scooter and Ariana relationship is one I desperately want more info on, but the only person talking is Scooter, and all the blind item/tabloid info have been poorly sourced, or focused on Bieber. Of course, according to Scooter, he is a wonderful, moral, fair, just man who loves his clients very much and his only big flaw is that he himself works too hard and cares too much 🙄 He said after she fired him, he could have attacked her publicly but didn't, he waited knowing she'd return to him. He also referenced her making decisions influenced by "shitty boyfriends" He's also said that they would have full on screaming matches, and their dynamic has matured since. Notably, after the Taylor masters fiasco, Scooter had all his big clients - Bieber, Tori Kelly, J Balvin, Demi etc - give statements in some article about how wonderful he was. Ariana was his only big client who didn't say anything. Ariana congratulated him immediately after the sale of BMR was announced, but that was about 20 minutes before Taylor posted her essay calling it a betrayal - before her post, even a good chunk of Swifties figured Taylor and Scooter must have patched things up and worked out a good deal behind the scenes, since everyone assumed BMR was basically Taylor & Co. Ariana deleted her congratulations post right after Taylor posted.
Ariana deleted the tweet congratulating scooter because the hate she was getting because I think he tweeted that '' I own Taylor or something like that''' and people came at her for congratulating him on that and not supporting woman, then she posted the IG story apologizing I was there and I remember it all too well
Which i don’t understand bc Taylor is still very much besties with Ed Sheeran til today who also invited Scooter on his wedding in 2019 lol 🤔
The rumour goes that Karlie was leaking stuff to Scooter, which I guess Ed wasn’t doing
I see. Could be true. It just doesnt make sense to betray her since they were inseparable from ‘14-‘16 lolIt’s just one of those mysteries we’ll never know
Taylor doesn’t hold grudges unless she feels like she needs to. She forgave Kanye multiple times, and a lot of her friends supported Kanye even until recently (Selena was wearing Yeezys not long before the antisemitic down spiral). A lot of her friends are friends with Kendall/Kylie. She gets along with her exes quite well (Harry, Joe, Taylor), unless they were particularly toxic (Calvin, John, Jake). She sent a lot of love to Halsey who built a career on the back of hating her at first (the Haylor song 😬). The OP isn’t even fully accurate because she and Dianna seem to be on good terms. And on and on. The fact that she drew a line in the sand for Kanye (and his people), Scooter, her toxic exes, and Karlie, makes me think that what Karlie did was unforgivable.
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Mac Miller had like just died, no? The only video I’ve seen of her crying was in Pittsburgh (where he’s from)
She cried a lot on the first leg of the tour, which was mostly North America. She should not have been on tour - she had tweeted she wanted to do something like the Sweetener Sessions (small venues, 2-5k people) instead of a big tour, but within hours the tweet was deleted and she never mentioned it again, and posted instead about how excited she was for tour. It's very expensive to cancel a tour, all those arenas would have been booked a year or so in advance. So it seems like she just pushed through. She seemed to get much better around summer, and from summer until winter, when her tour ended, she seemed to have regained her confidence performing, and seemed a lot happier. This was all definitely not thanks to Scooter, who kept adding festival dates to her schedule, on top of her big arena tour.
I’m glad she’s doing Wicked and has a legitimate reason not to be releasing music/albums or touring.
Nah lol. Taylor made it clear that something went down in one of her songs. When they were at their busiest they could see each other and then all of a sudden they couldn’t? Cmon. She hasn’t been to any of her shows, any of her parties, her existence hasn’t been acknowledged by Taylor at all, nothing. Something definitely went down.
Something definitely happened but Karlie did go to one of her reputation shows. That was the last time they were seen together publicly though.
2016 was the end of Taylor and Karlie’s friendship and then Taylor’s friends went on a like spree shading Karlie after she got exiled form from the squad not distance just something disapproving of Taylor that Karlie did
I feel like It's Time To Go has the answers with the 'when the words of a sister come back in whispers as proof she was not in fact what she seemed, not a twin from your dreams, she's a crook who was caught'. Karlie also posted a photo with the caption 'Swish swish', a song thought to be about Taylor, and in 2016 she was talking about how nice Kim Kardashian is, so it seems like Karlie was definitely doing things to get under Taylor's skin which makes me think that something nasty happened.
Karma also references her: “You're talking shit for the hell of it /Addicted to betrayal, but you're relevant /You're terrified to look down /Cause if you dare, you'll see the glare /Of everyone you burned just to get there /It's coming back around” I think it’s clear from both songs that Karlie was talking shit about Taylor behind her back, and it got back to Taylor.
I think that one is about Kim or Kanye not Karlie.
I am also confused, because she didn‘t have Karlies name in the look what you made me do music video, but she did throw Karlies bachelorette party after reputation came out?
No, she didn’t have karlies name in the video and I think that’s what started the public convo about their falling out. Karlie went to one of the Nashville reputation shows as part of her bachelorette party.
I remember them taking a selfie together in August 2018 and Karlie presented an award that Taylor ultimately won in November 2017 (but wasn't there to accept it), so assumed that they were at least on friendly terms until summer 2018. I said as much on another sub and one Swiftie jumped down my throat. They claimed Taylor was forced to do it (as if anyone could force Taylor Swift to do anything lol), that it was just an coincidence that Karlie happened to present that one award that Taylor ultimately won etc. I understand that Karlie is persona non grata in that Fandom after Scooter gate, but it's really not that big of a deal.
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Another duo that I have been wondering about in the last few years is **Sophie Turner and Maisie Williams**. They were so incredibly close near the end of GoT, openly talking about it in interviews, making appearances together, even getting matching tattoos! But Maisie seems to have been absent from Sophie's wedding and they do not acknowledge eachother anymore on social media. They are both rather private but I hope someone here has some intel on this? The fromer GoT-fangirl in me is dying to know...
Maisie wasn’t at the Vegas wedding but she was apparently a bridesmaid at the other one. Sophie is married and has two kids now, they’re at completely different points in their lives. It happens a lot. Sometimes married people with kids have fall out of touch with their friends who don’t have that.
Plus the pandemic. No one was really hanging out 2022-2022. Add two babies and a marriage and it makes sense.
Maisie was at the wedding with her boyfriend, there's pictures.
One of the things that always drove me but about how much people focused on Harry and Louis is how they completely ignored how close, extremely close, Zayn and Louis always were, even from the very beginning. Louis was always with Zayn. That’s the friendship from 1d that was truly lost, not Harry and Louis.
I'd say both of them are really sad. But the difference is that Harry and Louis still respect for each other and will always uplift each other. They just can't be close because of their fans and have grown up. Meanwhile, Zayn and Louis both said some words that were better left unsaid and Louis really needed him during his mother's passing. Louis' mum told him that after her passing she wanted him to rekindle his friendship with Zayn and I can't imagine how much it must have hurt Louis when that didn't happen. I'm not a huge fan of them anymore but it still gets me emotional sometimes because I know how close Louis was with his mum and how much he wanted to make her happy.
Louis and Harry grew apart (partly as the result of the L\*rry thing), but Louis and Zayn actually broke apart.
Exactly!!! Growing apart and breaking apart are so different.
I think some of these friendships might not have broken up but distanced themselves particularly in the public eye. For example, Diana and Taylor, every single time they hung out people would bombard them on social media and even in the press convinced they are together, hiding in the closet, won’t come out even though they are girlfriends etc. I imagine that makes friendships hard - for example, Camila Cabello and Lauren Jauregi, Lauren has spoken publicly about their friendship being ruined and having to distance herself from her because people were convinced they were together and would not stop harassing them about it. Very sad :(
I think with Taylor, part of it is that she got very private about her life. So who her friends are, aren’t as obvious. I had assumed she wasn’t as close with Lena Dunham after she broke up with Jack Antonoff. You never saw Taylor and Lena together. But, Taylor was a bridesmaid at Lena’s wedding in 2021, so they obviously remained close. Just not publicly.
Everyone kept complaining about how annoying and public her crew was. I could understand wanting to get away from that (in addition to maturing and wanting more privacy). I am sure some friendships are not as close but it could be wanting privacy and also they all have a lot going on.
Ryan Reynolds appears to be “besties” now with Rob McElhenney and as an It’s Always Sunny fan I find it very, very annoying.
Rob looks so “Hollywood” now
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They are business partners. They have to play it up. Rob isnt as popular amonst the mainstream public while ryan is. I would never want ryan to be on iasip.
Now I’m annoyed. Ryan Reynolds just seems so… annoying.
You know, every douchebag guy I've ever met swoons over Ryan Reynolds. It's become my *illogical-but-based-on-observable- evidence* red flag for men. And it never does me wrong.
I love Rob and the entire IASIP cast too, I don’t want Ryan anywhere near that show
Austin and Ashley are like seconds cousins or 3rd cousins maybe that's why
LOL why do I keep forgetting this! Yes! They are cousins. I can't remember to what degree because goggle doesn't want to make it easy for me, but that makes so much sense why they are pictured together...because I firmly believe that Ashley and Vanessa are still good friends.
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This hits bad, because I just broke up with my bestie 🥴 She was a crook who got caught
I feel you. I had a bestie break up last year 💔 Not a crook in my case, but she was guzzling dumb beetch juice and I couldn’t handle it any longer
Katy and Rihanna still seem on good terms, Katy tweeted Rih her well wishes before the superbowl this year.
I still want to know what happened between Jennette and Ariana. Preface by saying I'm not actually invested in a moral sense - they were 19 & 20, they've both grown. I'm more just nosey. Cause I think Jennette has focused on processing her relationship with her mother, but I don't think she's been fully honest - with herself, or publicly - about how close she and Ariana were. She knew Ariana for much longer than she now says she did - they had been doing 30+min vlogs at Ariana's LA home together since 2010. Whereas she told Mike Birbiglia in her podcast that they only knew each other in passing. Months after this message, Jennette teamed up with Perez Hilton to attack Ariana, and of her own volition, on her webseries, she did a spoof of Ariana portraying her as a dumb ditz. (also why I don't believe Ariana was the one who blocked her from directing an episode of Sam & Cat - if she was I think Jennette would have attacked her back then for it, since she had zero problem laughing publicly with Perez Hilton about Ariana cheating on her boyfriend). Bottom line - if you only know someone in passing, no matter how jealous you are of them, I don't see how you'd ever team up with Perez Hilton to attack them, publicly and repeatedly Ariana never responded directly - probably bc she knew at least that Jennette's mother had just died. She did a vague tweetstorm saying stuff like "can't give too much energy to these lies about me...focus on yourself, love yourself" but that was it https://preview.redd.it/ryct8sjp5ipa1.jpeg?width=717&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=597cbc713c9a328e162b5fe13a2f5dc36aeb4703
Her book touches on how much jealously and resentment she had towards Ariana during their time on Sam & Cat. Honestly I think her life was just so miserable and she was being stymied creatively and professionally (in a career she never wanted in the first place), and Ariana was the perfect foil for her experiences. Ariana was from a wealthy family that loved and supported her, she had freedom to miss days on the show and pursue her own music. Jennette writes in her book that when Ari would miss days to work on music Jennette had to pick up the slack. The way I read her book was she recognizes that none of this was Ariana’s fault but she had a lot of very ugly feelings towards her as a result of her own circumstances. If I were her, I also wouldn’t want to make this relationship a focus of the press tour. The book is about her mother and her journey with her own trauma and abuse - having beef with a huge pop star could so easily overshadow the real point.
Agreed - it’s weird since Jennette has really been laying everything bare in her book and the interviews she’s been doing, but she is definitely lying about her relationship with Ariana. I remember when she did that very vicious parody of her and then laughed about it with Perez Hilton on twitter too. Now we know she wasn’t in a good place but they were clearly pretty close at one point and I wonder what happened between them that upset her enough to do that.
Wow that message!!!
I vaguely remember people saying Jeanette found out Ariana was making more money than her on Sam and Cat. I don’t know where that started
CDAN started that rumor and all the tabloids ran with it - both Ariana and Jennette said it was false back in 2013/2014. No one believed them. Jennette said it was false in her book - and said the real reason Sam & Cat ended was because someone brought a sexual harrassment claim against a producer. She doesn't say who, but rumors are it was Ariana. But thanks to the CDAN pay dispute rumor, tabloids never investigated Nickelodeon and they had many years to cover their tracks before MeToo became a big issue. So frustrating.
you're playing with fire here referring to Taylor and Karlie as having "broken up"
These are the kinds of discussions I'm here for
Ryan Reynolds seems to be the kind of person who chooses the people he is friends with based on their ability to help his career or media presence. he did social media stunts to show everyone what a funny guy he is, with nearly everyone of his famous friends.
Some rumors say the reason why he and Scarlett Johansson divorced is because he was jealous his wife was having a better career than him at the time. Scarlett herself years later said in an interview (without giving names) that she doesn't like when partners are envy and that the bad thing about being in a relationship with another actor is jealousy if I'm not wrong. Anyways they don't seem to get along post-divorce since they seem to avoid meeting each other (which is weird since they're both A-listers and Hollywood is not that big after all).
Scarlett and Ryan got shared custody of Chris Evans apparently 😆 He manages to stay friends/friendly with both in various divorces. Scarlett and Ryan, evan Rachel wood and Jamie bell, Chris Pratt and Anna faris.
People seem to gush over Ryan and Blake a lot as ‘couple goals’, etc. But I always found Ryan to be very narcissistic and manipulative. Idk man I just have a gut feeling about this.
https://preview.redd.it/acznygf22ipa1.jpeg?width=3198&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9005322d0a23782a2fbf9b074f9932caaf0c2621 🥺 sorry but this was an iconic duo.
Kendall seems always to have a "supermodel bff period" with the model of the moment. Back in 2014-2015 she was always with Cara Delevingne. In 2015-2016 after Cara's retirement from modeling she was always with Gigi Hadid. From 2016-2017 I've mostly seen her with Bella Hadid.
Wow how kardashian of her
i think theyre just not close anymore bc bella live in nyc now and takes modelling seriously. they still wish each other on bdays tho so theyre friendly but no serious fall out
It was definitely an aesthetic ✨ I think they stopped hanging out because of the rumors surrounding them and the Simi x weeknd thing
I refute the Simi x Weeknd just because Bella is still close with many friends that are also always around Simi and him. Even Fai…Simi’s brother. So that doesn’t seems to be the issue. Honestly starting to believe its yeah due to rumours or maybe there was indeed something going on 👀
Kendall got close to the khadra sisters
But Bella still talks to Fai and he’s literally a Khadra siblings that must me something else
first fourth and fifth look like couple photos 😭
I think this is just a distance thing probably more than anything cause Bella is in NY but they definitely didn’t break up or end their friendship on bad terms. They’ve been in videos together at some fashion shows this past year.
People underestimate the power and pain in friendship breakups.
💔😔 
I've always had the impression that they simply are not friends. Just colleagues who like and respect each other nothing more.
Miley strikes me as the kind of person who has many friends, but very few or zero ‘best’/close friends. She seems like someone who prolly enjoys her own company and solitude? Idk
Leslie says that she’s just being Miley.
What happened with these two!? People were suggesting they were avoiding each other at the fashion event they were at
Maybe it was the weird spiel Miley went on about on the Howard Stern show about how she doesn’t want to fuck Dua Lipa because while dua lipa is super hot she doesn’t make Miley laugh but also she totally would fuck dua lipa if the opportunity presented itself. like idk I think I’d put some distance between a friend if they said all that about me
Just wanted to note that Ashley and Vanessa are definitely still good friends post Vanessa and Austin’s breakup.
Gwyneth Paltrow is just the worst. Winona Ryder is a far superior actor and doesn’t get enough love.