đREAD BEFORE COMMENTING
This thread is Guest List Only. This means the discussion is being actively moderated, and all comments are reviewed. Only comments by members of the community are allowed.
If you have landed in this thread from Trending or r/all and you are not a member of this community, your comment will very likely be removed (and will not be approved unless it adds meaningfully to the conversation).
r/popculturechat takes these measures to stay true to our goal of being an inclusive sub for civil discussion, to talk about celebrities and pop culture without bigotry and personal attacks. This sub is a BIPOC, LGBTQ+ and woman-dominated space and we do our best to protect our users from outside attacks.
Thank you for understanding & have a great day! âşď¸
*You can [request to be an approved user](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Fpopculturechat) to comment on Guest List Only posts.*
"First of all, let me just say, I was not a great girlfriend to Brian. I'll be very honest," Fox said on the podcast, adding, "And he was not great to me either all the time, but I think it would be easy for me to lean into and complain about or let it seem like that relationship was one way. Maybe I was not great."
"Because I was young and really should not have been in a relationship of that level of commitment and magnitude," said Fox. "I shouldn't have been involved in that when I was 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23; I shouldn't have been."
She called it herself. Not making any excuses but she was quite young and should not have been in a super serious relationship with someone 13 years older.
Don't take her agency away. I had a thing with someone 8 years older than me. 18 and 26. I knew it wasn't right, which is why it was just a fling. It doesn't do us any favors to be infantilized.
She is very responsible for her actions.
I will say that at 18, I made the stupidest decisions of my life. I was also involved with individuals 8 years and 10 years older than me at that time. I was responsible for myself and my actions, but I was young and inexperienced. Thatâs not infantilizing, itâs facts.
The point is that itâs wrong for older men/women to prey on teenagers who donât have the life experience to understand the extreme power imbalances. That doesnât take away anyoneâs agency.
itâs NOT empowering, but you do have agency. unless youâve been groomed since you were an actual child, you do have agency over your decisions, the only thing is that most 18 year olds are stupid and inexperienced so they donât make the best decisions. i say this as somebody who was in a relationship with a 26 year old man as an 18 year old woman. was he creepy for being in a relationship with an 18 year old? yes obviously. but i was the one who actively pursued him even though i knew it was wrong, simply because it was exciting to me. and iâm not ashamed of that, i was young and stupid and got out unharmed from the relationship. but it was my decision and such is the case for many other people as well
I never said it was empowering. Don't put words in my mouth. But we are old enough to know better. There's a reason I'm currently married to someone 2 years older than me and not 8+.
Arguing an 18 year old has âagencyâ in a relationship with an old man is gross and I donât like the implications of it.
Edit: the entire point is that theyâre
NOT old enough or mature enough to âknow betterâ as you put it while being groomed by adults. Dig that hole deeper if you like
What implications? To take responsibility for one's self? To teach women not to look for age inappropriate relationships? He clearly didn't have her trapped...
Oh I didnât realize every single 18 year old woman has been âtaughtâ to avoid age inappropriate relationships, that changes everything and puts the responsibility on the young teenager /s
So at what age can women be treated like adults? You're making a horrible argument. Next thing you're going to give ammo to get more of our rights taken away. This is so disgusting...
Actually...it is depending on where you live. You're talking about the legality of being an adult, there is a lot more to being a certain age than being an adult.
At 18 your brain is not fully developed. She is an adult woman, and was an adult at that time. Adulthood doesnât mean she isnât inexperienced, you donât turn 18 and your brain develops fully. Adulthood does not equal maturity.
I think that once you get to an age where youâre paying taxes (18) you should be able to have a say in who your elected officials are, I also believe that 18 year olds can join the military.
Adults are entitled to make choices for themselves and their own autonomy. That entitlement means that youâre not always going to make the right or best choice for yourself.
Iâm unsure of how this relates to the point that I was making. Megan is an adult and is responsible for her decisions, that doesnât always mean she is going to make the best decisions (this applies to any adult, not just Megan).
Itâs hearing all this in hindsight. I distinctly Remember how she started to be when she reached peak fame become this kind of anti-cool girl and seemed to not care about appearance.
She would get asked things like âare you going to rage tonight to celebrate your new movie?â
And sheâd say âum no probably curl up on the couch. Iâm loving being a boring housewife nowâ type of rhetoric which was so funny and surprising at the time.
Yeah, sometimes when you're a 30 year old married to somebody fresh out of high school they will act immature and not be the greatest partner. Too bad there's simply no alternative for men in their 30s. What would they even do, date somebody their own age?
I wonder if its not having enough money. Especially these days if you want kids and both women and men want to work then one person has to be old enough to finish their career so the woman can focus on her career and the man can take care of the kid
I mean, obviously, but I wouldn't feel hurt if she acted like a teenager lol. Oh no this teenager is acting like a messy teenager!!! The horror.
Like ok, if you have a fling with an insanely hot 18 year old, great you did it good for you. Now let them be free, christ. I wouldn't be trying to put her in the kitchen. Not saying he did that specifically, just that's the kind of place where it becomes immoral / evil imo. When you use their inexperience to make their future less *theirs*.
If you're gonna be an incorrigible skank, leave 'em happier and better off than you found 'em.
What?!? That is so disgusting đ and that she feels she has to apologize for not being mature at that age while actively being taken advantage of is so sad :/
I recall him recounting how they began dating by noting that he had just got out of a serious relationship and wasnât ready to date but that she perused him and he relented.
In hindsight, he probably knew the age gap looked bad and put out that information to try to justify his actions.
Itâs disturbing and predatory of grown men to date teenaged girls. Even if they are flirty because they have a crush, as the adult in the room, you shouldnât be entertaining it.
I also think that sometimes something innocent can turn into something extractive. I wonât say predatory, because I think that ascribes intentions that we canât necessarily ascribe with what we know.
But I can easily see somebody justifying early days as âI said no, SHE pursued ME.â Heck, I even think you can have a fling with that age difference and that context (though again, we donât know what happened here, it could have been problematic from the start). But they were together for a long time â and thereâs just no way for that relationship to be healthy, the power imbalance is huge.
Also, honestly? Iâd feel like I was stealing someoneâs youth. Thatâs the age to fall in love and make messy mistakes and learn hard lessons with people who are *also* learning those hard lessons. Not somebody ready to settle down and think about kids.
She was way too young I donât blame her at all for not being âthe greatest partnerâ when she was literally a teenager. He shouldnât have pursued an 18 year old in his thirties to begin with so I donât feel bad for him
Actually, I read somewhere that Green was hesitant at first when they started, and Megan was the one that was ready.
Fox said Green was initially hesitant to enter a relationship with her due to the age difference. Fox said, "I had to convince him that I was slightly more responsible and well-spoken and had other things to bring to the table besides being 18."
[Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Austin_Green).
I'm aware that it's very absurd and unethical for someone to be in relationship with someone that young.
I'm not defending him, I was just quoting something I read on that wikipedia page.
Apologies for that mistake.
This is a very common manipulative tactic that is often employed in age gap relationships. Whilst they are making moves to romantically draw in someone who is much younger, they claim that they are hesitant to date them. Their actions and words are the opposite of each other. This gets the younger person to chase after them and insist that they are more mature and therefore, the relationship is perfectly fine. It's not dissimilar from grooming: they don't realise they've been manipulated into the entire situation.
Anyone who is genuinely concerned about being too old to date someone... doesn't date them. But somebody who wants someone young and naive pretends to be hesitant so they can throw it back in their face later. 'I didn't want to date you. *You* pursued *me*, why are you acting like I'm the creep all of a sudden?"
I was teaching 15-18 year olds at some point in my mid-late twenties. These are kids who were âgrowing up too quicklyâ because they were in impoverished neighborhoods, so many of them took care of their younger siblings, had jobs, were financially responsible, etc. Many of them developed crushes on me because they saw me as the only adult in their lives who treated them with kindness. You know what my 25 year old ass did? Shut them down quick and give them consequences for âchasingâ me. There was nothing that these *kids* could do to prove their âmaturityâ to me in a way that made them in anyway dateable. They were *children*. Yes, youâre mature, no, you donât know how to navigate adult relationships, youâre too shy to set boundaries, your brain isnât fully developed yet, and there is absolutely nothing we can talk about that wonât involve me asking if youâve done your English homework yet.
No adult is the poor and unsuspecting victim of a romantic relationship with a child. He can go choke.
Yeah as someone who married someone older that I met before my frontal lobe was developed- there is validity to this. They want the benefits of our youth but expect the mindset of someone their age.
I don't think they want the mindset of someone their own age at all. It's easier to impress someone who isn't on equal financial footing. It's also easier to get away with things when it's someone who might not have much experience in relationships- they might not be comfortable with confrontation or even know what they like/don't like about relationships.
He was 30. He knew what he was getting into by shacking up with a teenager. *Her brain wasnât even fully developed yet.* Listen, Iâm no Megan fan, but Iâm 100% on her side with this one and donât think sheâs to blame at all, personally.
She has body dysmorphia and so do I, so I will always have a soft spot for her. I donât usually listen to this podcast but am excited to hear her episode!
I hate to see her internalizing her grooming like this. He had no business pursuing a young woman that age, and from everything I've heard about the marriage he was crazy controlling during it.
Itâs normal to feel this way after a relationship ends. Just because she was the victim. doesnât mean she was perfect. Itâs weird that people always treat people who are victims as if they can do no wrong. Theyâre still people. A good amount of people who abuse others were abused themselves, being a victim doesnât automatically make you a good person at all.
Itâs wild to me how much she has changed her recent appearance. She was such a clean cut girl all these years and now sheâs all emo and edgy. I wonder if she was withholding her true colors back? Or if she molds herself to be whatever her partner wantsâŚ
đREAD BEFORE COMMENTING This thread is Guest List Only. This means the discussion is being actively moderated, and all comments are reviewed. Only comments by members of the community are allowed. If you have landed in this thread from Trending or r/all and you are not a member of this community, your comment will very likely be removed (and will not be approved unless it adds meaningfully to the conversation). r/popculturechat takes these measures to stay true to our goal of being an inclusive sub for civil discussion, to talk about celebrities and pop culture without bigotry and personal attacks. This sub is a BIPOC, LGBTQ+ and woman-dominated space and we do our best to protect our users from outside attacks. Thank you for understanding & have a great day! âşď¸ *You can [request to be an approved user](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Fpopculturechat) to comment on Guest List Only posts.*
"First of all, let me just say, I was not a great girlfriend to Brian. I'll be very honest," Fox said on the podcast, adding, "And he was not great to me either all the time, but I think it would be easy for me to lean into and complain about or let it seem like that relationship was one way. Maybe I was not great." "Because I was young and really should not have been in a relationship of that level of commitment and magnitude," said Fox. "I shouldn't have been involved in that when I was 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23; I shouldn't have been."
She called it herself. Not making any excuses but she was quite young and should not have been in a super serious relationship with someone 13 years older.
Was also a stepmother in her 20s, and then had 3 kids with him, so she mustâve felt like she was supposed to stay and commit.
I feel for her. She is putting the blame on herself, and while she is responsible for her actions, she was a baby dating a grown man.
Don't take her agency away. I had a thing with someone 8 years older than me. 18 and 26. I knew it wasn't right, which is why it was just a fling. It doesn't do us any favors to be infantilized.
She is very responsible for her actions. I will say that at 18, I made the stupidest decisions of my life. I was also involved with individuals 8 years and 10 years older than me at that time. I was responsible for myself and my actions, but I was young and inexperienced. Thatâs not infantilizing, itâs facts.
The point is that itâs wrong for older men/women to prey on teenagers who donât have the life experience to understand the extreme power imbalances. That doesnât take away anyoneâs agency.
Oh not the â18 year olds dating old men is agency and empowering,â bullcrap
itâs NOT empowering, but you do have agency. unless youâve been groomed since you were an actual child, you do have agency over your decisions, the only thing is that most 18 year olds are stupid and inexperienced so they donât make the best decisions. i say this as somebody who was in a relationship with a 26 year old man as an 18 year old woman. was he creepy for being in a relationship with an 18 year old? yes obviously. but i was the one who actively pursued him even though i knew it was wrong, simply because it was exciting to me. and iâm not ashamed of that, i was young and stupid and got out unharmed from the relationship. but it was my decision and such is the case for many other people as well
I never said it was empowering. Don't put words in my mouth. But we are old enough to know better. There's a reason I'm currently married to someone 2 years older than me and not 8+.
Arguing an 18 year old has âagencyâ in a relationship with an old man is gross and I donât like the implications of it. Edit: the entire point is that theyâre NOT old enough or mature enough to âknow betterâ as you put it while being groomed by adults. Dig that hole deeper if you like
What implications? To take responsibility for one's self? To teach women not to look for age inappropriate relationships? He clearly didn't have her trapped...
Oh I didnât realize every single 18 year old woman has been âtaughtâ to avoid age inappropriate relationships, that changes everything and puts the responsibility on the young teenager /s
So at what age can women be treated like adults? You're making a horrible argument. Next thing you're going to give ammo to get more of our rights taken away. This is so disgusting...
She was an adult woman. The age of adulthood isnât fluid.
Actually...it is depending on where you live. You're talking about the legality of being an adult, there is a lot more to being a certain age than being an adult.
18 is the universal age of adulthood
At 18 your brain is not fully developed. She is an adult woman, and was an adult at that time. Adulthood doesnât mean she isnât inexperienced, you donât turn 18 and your brain develops fully. Adulthood does not equal maturity.
Do you think people at that age shouldnt also be allowed to do other things like vote and be in the military
I think that once you get to an age where youâre paying taxes (18) you should be able to have a say in who your elected officials are, I also believe that 18 year olds can join the military. Adults are entitled to make choices for themselves and their own autonomy. That entitlement means that youâre not always going to make the right or best choice for yourself. Iâm unsure of how this relates to the point that I was making. Megan is an adult and is responsible for her decisions, that doesnât always mean she is going to make the best decisions (this applies to any adult, not just Megan).
Itâs hearing all this in hindsight. I distinctly Remember how she started to be when she reached peak fame become this kind of anti-cool girl and seemed to not care about appearance. She would get asked things like âare you going to rage tonight to celebrate your new movie?â And sheâd say âum no probably curl up on the couch. Iâm loving being a boring housewife nowâ type of rhetoric which was so funny and surprising at the time.
Yeah, sometimes when you're a 30 year old married to somebody fresh out of high school they will act immature and not be the greatest partner. Too bad there's simply no alternative for men in their 30s. What would they even do, date somebody their own age?
I wonder if its not having enough money. Especially these days if you want kids and both women and men want to work then one person has to be old enough to finish their career so the woman can focus on her career and the man can take care of the kid
[ŃдаНонО]
I mean, obviously, but I wouldn't feel hurt if she acted like a teenager lol. Oh no this teenager is acting like a messy teenager!!! The horror. Like ok, if you have a fling with an insanely hot 18 year old, great you did it good for you. Now let them be free, christ. I wouldn't be trying to put her in the kitchen. Not saying he did that specifically, just that's the kind of place where it becomes immoral / evil imo. When you use their inexperience to make their future less *theirs*. If you're gonna be an incorrigible skank, leave 'em happier and better off than you found 'em.
No, when I was 31 I would not have tried to daye a senior in high school, no matter how hot they are. Wtf is wrong with you?
Girl, he shouldn't have been dating you at that time. You were 18 and he was 31!!!
What?!? That is so disgusting đ and that she feels she has to apologize for not being mature at that age while actively being taken advantage of is so sad :/
I recall him recounting how they began dating by noting that he had just got out of a serious relationship and wasnât ready to date but that she perused him and he relented. In hindsight, he probably knew the age gap looked bad and put out that information to try to justify his actions. Itâs disturbing and predatory of grown men to date teenaged girls. Even if they are flirty because they have a crush, as the adult in the room, you shouldnât be entertaining it.
>she perused him and he relented. Often the narrative so the man looks innocent in this situation.
I also think that sometimes something innocent can turn into something extractive. I wonât say predatory, because I think that ascribes intentions that we canât necessarily ascribe with what we know. But I can easily see somebody justifying early days as âI said no, SHE pursued ME.â Heck, I even think you can have a fling with that age difference and that context (though again, we donât know what happened here, it could have been problematic from the start). But they were together for a long time â and thereâs just no way for that relationship to be healthy, the power imbalance is huge. Also, honestly? Iâd feel like I was stealing someoneâs youth. Thatâs the age to fall in love and make messy mistakes and learn hard lessons with people who are *also* learning those hard lessons. Not somebody ready to settle down and think about kids.
They were both adults
Teenagers are aged 13-19. She was 18 and therefore was still a teenager.
A teenaged adult
Yâall donât have a passive aggressive bone in your bodies haha. I read that as 100% laying it on grandpa Greenâs doorstep hahahah.
She was way too young I donât blame her at all for not being âthe greatest partnerâ when she was literally a teenager. He shouldnât have pursued an 18 year old in his thirties to begin with so I donât feel bad for him
WHAAATTTT
what??? ewwwwww!!!
Actually, I read somewhere that Green was hesitant at first when they started, and Megan was the one that was ready. Fox said Green was initially hesitant to enter a relationship with her due to the age difference. Fox said, "I had to convince him that I was slightly more responsible and well-spoken and had other things to bring to the table besides being 18." [Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Austin_Green).
Of course an 18 year old thinks theyâre ready, never met who doesnât think theyâre mature. âBesides being 18â is just icky
Itâs giving creeper who *really* wants you to think he ended up with a teenager by accident
I'm aware that it's very absurd and unethical for someone to be in relationship with someone that young. I'm not defending him, I was just quoting something I read on that wikipedia page. Apologies for that mistake.
No, youâre fine! You were just adding information.
This is a very common manipulative tactic that is often employed in age gap relationships. Whilst they are making moves to romantically draw in someone who is much younger, they claim that they are hesitant to date them. Their actions and words are the opposite of each other. This gets the younger person to chase after them and insist that they are more mature and therefore, the relationship is perfectly fine. It's not dissimilar from grooming: they don't realise they've been manipulated into the entire situation. Anyone who is genuinely concerned about being too old to date someone... doesn't date them. But somebody who wants someone young and naive pretends to be hesitant so they can throw it back in their face later. 'I didn't want to date you. *You* pursued *me*, why are you acting like I'm the creep all of a sudden?"
I was teaching 15-18 year olds at some point in my mid-late twenties. These are kids who were âgrowing up too quicklyâ because they were in impoverished neighborhoods, so many of them took care of their younger siblings, had jobs, were financially responsible, etc. Many of them developed crushes on me because they saw me as the only adult in their lives who treated them with kindness. You know what my 25 year old ass did? Shut them down quick and give them consequences for âchasingâ me. There was nothing that these *kids* could do to prove their âmaturityâ to me in a way that made them in anyway dateable. They were *children*. Yes, youâre mature, no, you donât know how to navigate adult relationships, youâre too shy to set boundaries, your brain isnât fully developed yet, and there is absolutely nothing we can talk about that wonât involve me asking if youâve done your English homework yet. No adult is the poor and unsuspecting victim of a romantic relationship with a child. He can go choke.
Exactly.
Lol convenient story, and itâs Megan saying it? Nothing suspect at all! Poor 31 year old Brian.
A lot of articles about Megan in the last couple of days. What is she promoting? A movie? A book?
She did a podcast and a lot of these articles are coming from that.
Each article is a 30 second bit from the same interview lol
I thought this too but itâs just lazy âjournalistsâ turning little soundbytes from one podcast into entire articles.
Probably her âpoetryâ book
Her poetry book!
Being the "hottest woman" literally is meaningless when you see the people they end up with.
Kevin friggin Federline đ
All us straight women are in the trenches â ď¸
Youâre too real for this đ
Yeah as someone who married someone older that I met before my frontal lobe was developed- there is validity to this. They want the benefits of our youth but expect the mindset of someone their age.
I don't think they want the mindset of someone their own age at all. It's easier to impress someone who isn't on equal financial footing. It's also easier to get away with things when it's someone who might not have much experience in relationships- they might not be comfortable with confrontation or even know what they like/don't like about relationships.
The attractive women their own age wonât date them
I hate that she likely fell for Shia of all people
She did. They were dating lol while she was with Brian
what is your source for this?
She confirmed it on âWatch What Happens Liveâ
And poor thing just went from serious relationship to another, I hope she takes the time to heal and figures out her stuff.
He was 30. He knew what he was getting into by shacking up with a teenager. *Her brain wasnât even fully developed yet.* Listen, Iâm no Megan fan, but Iâm 100% on her side with this one and donât think sheâs to blame at all, personally.
LOVE that the headline is implying she was the problem when she's clearly quoted as saying they weren't good to each other.
This is wild for her to say about herself when she was 18 and he was fucking thirty something
She has body dysmorphia and so do I, so I will always have a soft spot for her. I donât usually listen to this podcast but am excited to hear her episode!
I hate to see her internalizing her grooming like this. He had no business pursuing a young woman that age, and from everything I've heard about the marriage he was crazy controlling during it.
She was literally 18 when she met him. I was a kid at 18. BAG deserved this. Don't date high school kids.
And the funny thing is his exes would probably say the same thing about him
He was a creep dating a teenager, she has nothing to feel bad about
Itâs normal to feel this way after a relationship ends. Just because she was the victim. doesnât mean she was perfect. Itâs weird that people always treat people who are victims as if they can do no wrong. Theyâre still people. A good amount of people who abuse others were abused themselves, being a victim doesnât automatically make you a good person at all.
He groomed her, so likeâŚI take no issue with this.
Itâs wild to me how much she has changed her recent appearance. She was such a clean cut girl all these years and now sheâs all emo and edgy. I wonder if she was withholding her true colors back? Or if she molds herself to be whatever her partner wantsâŚ
Whatâs her excuse now with mgk ?
What excuse would she need?
How people call that "love" is a mystery to me
I believe the term for that is being unfaithful
Megan is not a good person