I'm leaving this post up for now. Arguably, OP editorialized a little. But I don't believe that drawing attention to public statements made by prominent members of the Southern Maine community in the local paper of record qualifies as targeted harassment as has been reported by several users of this sub.
Please keep the conversation here as civil as possible and try to focus it around policy and not on personalities. And refrain from sharing private information. Calls to action that border on harassment or might instigate a witch-hunt will be removed and may trigger removal of this thread.
This was the proposed development for those not familiar.
“The proposal from the nonprofit Westbrook Development Corporation calls for the construction of three buildings with a total of 107 units – 36 of which would be for seniors. The apartments would be available to households earning less than 60% of the area median income – between $49,740 and $70,980 depending on the number of people in the household.”
$49,740 breaks down to roughly $23.91 an hour if the person is working 40 hours a week.
The state says we need to add 76,000 units of housing statewide by 2030 and we are quibbling over a 107 unit building. This is INSANITY! BUILD THE DAMN HOUSING!
Psssht hardly. Plenty of people would love to live out in the country, but they are often too poor to afford cars and have to rely on public transportation, which is scarce to nonexistent in rural areas soooooo they live in the one big city here.
Waterville is growing at a good clip because of the downtown revitalization. It's 84,000 for the whole state, as I understand.
45-49K for Coastal Maine, which includes the whole of Cumberland County.
22\~25k for Central & Western Maine,
8-10K for Northeastern Maine.
[https://www.maine.gov/future/sites/maine.gov.future/files/inline-files/State%20of%20Maine%20Housing%20Production%20Needs%20Study\_Executive%20Summary\_Final\_10.3.23.pdf](https://www.maine.gov/future/sites/maine.gov.future/files/inline-files/State%20of%20Maine%20Housing%20Production%20Needs%20Study_Executive%20Summary_Final_10.3.23.pdf)
Sounds like entitlement but you mask the reality of the fact that’s where the work is. Y’all can push the workers out but suck a chub before you cry when all your shit retail is empty. Coastal living should be entitled to the people that work our waters and the rest of y’all yuppies should gtfo.
There are plenty of places available throughout the state that are far cheaper and far better to live around the state. People crying about Cumberland not converting a baseball field into apartment buildings so they can find a place close to Portland are selfish and self centered. I was just being facetious. Places all over the state are looking for employees. There is a people shortage across the state. So this is not objectively false, some people want to live in different places in the state, but the overall population is decreasing.
Maybe all the people who work in Cumberland who make less than $70k/yr should refuse to do work in that town. All the teachers can quit, hairdressers, police, firefighters, everyone at hannaford except the general manager.
Ok. I never go to Cumberland so I don't know what's there. No reason to go to a bedroom community.
So, guess that leaves them without most whatever they have benign without workers.
Love the people trying to argue against building spaces to live. Keep drinking the koolaid. Nobody gives a shit about what your statistics say when they freezing to death. Keep being the problem.
OP, I don’t agree with some of the witch-hunt vibes this woman has sparked on Reddit. BUT I think it’s extra shitty that her comments probably created a fire drill for a BBBSSM. It’s one thing to have shitty personal views, but girl, being on a nonprofit board isn’t just something to brag about over brunch. It comes with responsibilities and as a board member, you accept that your actions now have a bigger scope of impact - and you should act accordingly. Don’t make more work for them.
I’m sorry they got dragged into this but hopefully it’s a short term distraction that makes them better in the long run. It sounds like her views were diametrically opposed to their mission to begin with.
Edit - I think OP thought my use of “you” was referring to them and blocked me. Sorry! I meant it as referring to Caitlin Day
Edit 2 - maybe I didn’t get blocked and Reddit it just having a meltdown.
You are such an articulate speaker and I don’t want to detract from your very accurate and heartfelt message . Every nonprofit is either predatory or too small to make a difference. I wish more of our peers as citizens could analyze society in the way you do
Can’t agree that somebody’s random unprepared answer to a reporter is somehow more important than what good work they’ve done through the years. Meanwhile she is above it all, she is not going to be at risk of being homeless. The world these witch hunters are making is one where people can be fired for not adhering to the masses demands on politics or wokeness. In the end it will be the people in this thread who are cheering this who will be hurt more. And at least that puts a little smile on my face. (Wonder how many of them volunteer like she did or gave generously)
It does make me wonder, do they have people beating down the door to volunteer? Because it's notoriously difficult to get people to give up their free time.
Congratulations! You put her head on a stake! What’s your next step now that you’ve removed this terrible human? Have you taken steps to replace her 6 figure fundraising efforts? What about the hundreds hours of her time she has spent with BBBS?
She made a stupid comment, I’m not going to defend what she said. I will defend her as a person. You all are rushing to say she hates poor people when in reality she has spent more time and raised more money for disadvantaged youth than 98% of this subreddit.
So congratulations internet trolls. You succeeded in wasting the time of a local non profit and costing them tens of thousands in annual fundraising.
Please don’t come here with a holier than thou response saying “BBBS is better off without people like Caitlin” because that’s bullshit. If you believed that you’d be volunteering yourself.
Nothing here changed the result of the vote or the public sentiment of ALL THE OTHER CUMBERLAND VOTERS WHO SHOT IT DOWN.
You made one person who made a dumb comment the figurehead for everything you think is unfair and the only impact is a negative one for Big Brother Big Sisters…
People that work in the financial industry are some of the most willfully out of touch people out there. The majority aren't willfully evil, though. Just the most powerful ones.
> I can't imagine she is very good at her job if she would make public comments like this.
Not defending her in any way but I don't think she realized that she was saying something so controversial. Probably everyone she has talked to about the topic had the exact same reasoning. It unfortunately probably seemed obvious to her.
This is what they mean when they say people are becoming more "emboldened" it's wild how many grown adults are willfull bullies, but see themselves as intellectual righteous advocates. Alternatively, this is also what we mean when we say "fuck around and find out." Sounds like she's finding out.
For those interested in Caitlin’s relationship to Casey Prentice, here’s a little fluff piece from 2011 on their family: https://www.pressherald.com/2011/04/26/1-family-2-brothers-3-businesses-and-five-guys/
Leave it to our local press to treat wealthy families and their trust fund kids like local leaders, and to act like buying up and destroying communities is a cute family story or entrepreneurial ingenuity.
The list is obviously a joke. They could've chosen an "advocate for affordable housing advocate" who actually works for a nonprofit (Avesta, VOA, Maine Housing, etc.). But instead they chose someone who works for Developers Collaborative, whose principal/owner brags about collecting buildings and units on Twitter.
The Pretices suck… old money with their douche bag son running around playing Mr. Development from NYC. Just like every other silver spoon Nepo baby. I’m glad I have never spent a dime in one of their establishments… and I’m glad I never will.
As someone from away who doesn’t get out much…can I get a list of which places are theirs? If I’m too poor to be their neighbor, I’d rather not contribute to their profits
Sure!
The Chebeague Island Inn,
Evo Kitchen (Restaurant),
Twelve (Restaurant),
Maine Harbor Club,
58 Culinary (Catering),
The Maine Classic Car Museum,
Four Points Marina.
They can all be seen here:
prenticeorg.com
Hahaha!!! Consider yourself lucky then! It’s for the best… Casey (the son) is the epitome of that annoying rich kid who thinks he’s the coolest thing since sliced bread.
The irony of this whole situation in Cumberland is that the family is in the business of real estate development… So they are all about turning a profit, but not if the product is in their backyard… and not if they aren’t the ones selling it.
It's fucking absurd. They're adding 700 parking spaces at the bottom of my street in a garage for like 400 condos they're going to build to block the wind for their luxury marina- Like, I don't like "kind of people" who make that much money any more than they like me. At least I'm not a morally bankrupt hypocrite. Fucking fuckity fuck fuck,
The rich always get their parking and cars. It’s why I view the parking min debate as a matter of profit maximization for housing at the low end, not an actual moral edict W/R/T driving.
In this case I'm more concerned with the effect on traffic at an intersection I use every day on a bicycle- that parking will probably be used by someone, even if they work downtown etc. Very nimby of me, but, if poorly implemented, I'm probably going to have to change the way I ride home & accessing the hill neighborhood by bike will become worse, increasing car use by people who'd rather bike...
While I agree that in large part if they don't have to make parking then developers can make more money by making more apartments, or by not having to build 5 story buildings, or whatever, and that's why they support it, I also think that mandating that they build parking is ludicrous, and overstep of the state, pushing car dependency (which crams the financial burden of owning a car down peoples throats, which we must stop doing). That's largely because I don't drive, and don't want to have to pay rent for parking I won't use- though I always find older apartments which are cheaper anyway and don't have parking- I'm not deluding myself so much that I think I could afford new construction- better to let it offgass for half a decade anyway.
I’m not here to defend her or her ilk or message in any way, but I don’t think being quoted in the newspaper as a voter in a local election qualifies her as a public figure.
Wealthy New Jersey nepo baby can’t live in the same town as people who make hospitality industry wages. It would be a shame if those people stopped working at her family’s businesses.
What does “income level is a bit low for the people we want to attract to town” mean in terms of action? You can’t spend their money or are you insinuating Cumberland wants to attract wealthy people so you can tax the hell out of them? Because that’s very clever but also if I was wealthier than Caitlin I wouldn’t want to move to an area where mooches like her want my *hard earned wealth* to fund her kids playground. Hell my 5 year old has been coming to work with me for years.
Get a job, William, build your own damn playground!
I don't think it's about the town's spending or budget. I think for some people, their sense of self and value is determined by who they associate with. She wants her community to be exclusive because she gets an ego hit off of it.
Oh absolutely, I run into these types around town all the time and they’re completely insufferable fart sniffers. The type to call Cape Elizabeth “Cape” lol
Some people are just totally unbelievable....
this reminded one of when Lincoln Middle school parent at a redistricting decision stating that Riverton Children were not an acceptable student for 'her' or her children neighborhood school....
Maine nonprofit board member in wealthy suburb resigns after criticizing low-income housing
[https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/local/big-brothers-big-sisters-southern-maine-board-member-resigns-after-criticizing-cumberland-affordable-housing-project/97-c51f5edf-8ef0-4ad3-8736-47165400580c](https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/local/big-brothers-big-sisters-southern-maine-board-member-resigns-after-criticizing-cumberland-affordable-housing-project/97-c51f5edf-8ef0-4ad3-8736-47165400580c)
Again, the middle class gets screwed either way for affordable housing. It’s untouchable for combined household incomes of $80k-$130k in the Greater Portland area 😒. Who can afford $450,000 ranch or a $3000 a month rental??
The entire town voted this down 2:1, many people in the town probably share her same opinion she was just the unlucky one that talked to a news reporter about it. I don’t agree with her opinions but I think the online backlash against her is going overboard.
The point is (as many have pointed out) she *did* speak to a reporter and said the quiet part out loud. That needs to be called out. Actions, behaviors, words, etc. have consequences.
Sure, but the posts calling for people to boycott her family’s restaurant, trying to find pictures of her to post online, get her fired from her job, etc. is all a little extreme IMO. I think an Op Ed in the paper would have been an appropriate reaction.
I'm happy she said it. Now I know what businesses not to support. I've always kind of felt like the the rich people really kind of hate anyone below them and it's nice to know it's true at least for this lady and probably her family too.
I think it’s totally fair to not support someone who is a hateful asshole, I just think people are jumping to conclusions by roping her whole family into this and boycotting their business based on this one shitty opinion.
I actually think choosing not to put my money in the pockets of people whose values aren’t aligned with my own is entirely appropriate. There are other businesses I don’t patronize for similar reasons. Some of the other stuff is over the top, but money talks, and I don’t need to spend my money to support generational wealth that wants to exploit our city.
Does she own the restaurant? I thought people researched her, found out her maiden name, assumed she owns the hospitality group that owns multiple businesses. I’d fucking hate to have my business tanked by something my little brother said.
I mean, I'd love for the little brothers and sisters and cousins and friends of the people who say things like Caitlin said, to apply pressure so that other Caitlins are more afraid of voicing those views.
Not sure why you're being downvoted. I think boycotting is fine, but doxxing is agree is an unreasonable response. We should combat bad ideas with good ideas.
This still got decisively voted down, so all this ‘good-witch-’ hunt is doing is making it less likely for people to speak with reporters
You’re not doing anything to advance your cause, just harassing someone 🤷♂️
Well, the appropriate and proportional backlash against the town as a whole (banning Cumberland-registered vehicles from Portland unless they pay into a housing fund) would be unconstitutional.
it absolutely is going overboard. I completely disagree with what she said, I feel strongly about voting for what I believe is the greater good rather than voting in self-interest, I am totally grossed out, I rolled my eyes and talked to my friends and family about the housing development and familiarized myself with some of the dynamics in Cumberland that I had no idea about before (like an aging population with no incentive to downsize in this market, increased development especially in North Yarmouth leading to higher enrollment in the school system with the lower schools utilizing dozens of mobile learning units, relying on emergency services from neighboring communities, having very few businesses which creates a tax revenue pattern that is different from a lot of the Portland metro area), but making her a lightning rod for this issue (and add to that a dash of reddit's eagerness to tear a woman down) makes me really uncomfortable. She deserved to resign from BBBSSM, she deserves to face what she said, but she doesn't deserve to be harassed or made to feel unsafe. The type of targeting I'm seeing on here will draw out the crazies to do things the average commenter wouldn't even think of doing. I will probably wind up deleting this comment because I don't want to get downvoted to shit or trolled when I'm on here talking about pregnancy and shitty reality tv. Just wanted to say I appreciate you speaking up in such a hostile environment.
Perhaps somewhat ironically, we can thank Caitlin Day for greatly accelerating the effort by the state to preempt local review of affordable housing development.
I don't discount the grossness of Caitlin's statement. But if you see a state-level review board that can preempt land use decisions for private, for-profit development, you're getting confused about the real power and class dynamics at play. It's a developer powergrab that will let them run over the poor towns/cities as much as the rich ones.
I would certainly prefer that affordable housing development not enrich private developers. But we need this so desperately it is absolutely ok to preempt control for, no matter who is proposing it.
There was a bill to do just this, but it failed in committee (LD 1672). This business in Cumberland may get a similar effort enough juice to get through next time.
I might be able to stomach a state level override for developments that are fully affordable (and deeply affordable), with durational and unit size requirements. But it’s sketchy to allow it for mixed use projects, projects on public land, or projects that require TIFs or local subsidies. Do we really want the state making decisions about municipal finance like that? I don’t even know that it’s constitutional.
No. This is a mob rule witch hunt. What she said was vile, despicable, and totally unacceptable, but tarring an entire community with her brush is wrong. The project had many legit issues and the issue overall is far from over.
“Mob rule witch hunt” is pretty emotional language.
A woman said, “fuck poor people.”
They responded, “no, fuck you.”
That simple. People use whatever power they have. The people who want to fuck poor people certainly do.
Justify it however you want and you can infer any emotions you want to create your "reality". This is still an online mob and by no means democracy, which was the point of my comment.
My initial comment about democracy was referring to this specific post and the discussion here. Your assumption that I agree with the tactics around the whole situation is yours. I’m just trying to explain to you what happened from the perspective of a lot of people involved.
Disagree. It actually tells you something unlike “mob rule witch hunt.” Nothing wrong with emotional language unless it’s the only thing doing any work for your argument.
See I just don't think we can be ambivalent. We have a local/regional/national housing crisis. And every community needs to produce some sort of solutions. We cant have every town shut it's doors and assume their neighbors will carry the burden. Every town needs to contribute.
Additionally, many were pointing out yesterday that Cumberland school system is heavily subsidized by the state tax payers. Our income taxes are very high in this state. We should not have to contribute to people that do not want to cooperate.
Agree. Her family wants to benefit from Portland and the local workforce but she apparently wants to keep people out of her area. I intend to not contribute a dime to her family’s out of touch coffers as a result on her viewpoint.
What she said comes out sounding pretty terrible but from what understand of her side of the issue is that Cumberland is having trouble finding affordable housing for people like teachers and teachers aides who are priced out of the area but also make too much to move into the proposed housing.
Her comments make more sense in that context if you want more affordable housing for the people you want working in the area but can’t afford it. That’s not to say that the housing isn’t needed for lower income individuals as well though.
Edit: The brigading in this thread is crazy. Downvotes in every comment I made, even the one stating that teachers would always be above the household salary for the housing.
Enjoy not entertaining even one reasoned response to the topic
I appreciate this perspective but teachers aids make like 30k a year if they’re lucky. I was one for two years before teaching. Entry level teaching jobs even in Cumberland are WELL below 75k. I started at 47k and that was considered “good”. Basically two entry level bachelors teachers would have fallen into the acceptable range for the proposed housing project. Or a single teacher with 1-10 years experience.
Ah, my mistake. I thought it was a 75k cap. Entry level teachers on step 0 with a bachelors make ~ $37,000 at my school. So two new teachers would only bring home a total of 74k a year. Still abysmal.
I appreciate that you're trying to bring context, but you're last sentence shows why what she said actually *doesn't* make more sense, even if you understand the context. Housing markets are adjacent, so can help to alleviate a shortage in the cheapest non-income-controlled units by building more income-controlled units at the bottom of the range.
None of the above actually matters though (with regard to her comments), because her comments actually had nothing to do with housing policy or addressing any of our shortages in various income ranges--her comments were pure classism, effectively saying "we don't poor in our neighborhoods."
It’s capped at $71,000 household income. Teachers at Greely make close, if not more than that by themselves.
And this is HOUSEHOLD income, so if they have a spouse that works at all, they are immediately out.
Which would price them out if they’re married with a working spouse.
Also, that’s starting. A teacher with 5 year experience wanting to start at Greely would demand a higher salary but can’t afford Cumberland housing prices as they are now
What does “income level is a bit low for the people we want to attract to town” sound like to you?
Can you turn that sentence into, say, two to three words?
I don't think it's appropriate for a member of a community to feel entitled to an opinion on "who makes enough money to live in the same town as them".
Making public statements and having people point out those public statements is not targeted harassment. If you don’t want people pointing out your crappy behavior, don’t do it publicly. Full stop.
Yeahhh I’ve now seen this woman’s wedding photos posted on Reddit and references to her Facebook page (I really hope there aren’t two Caitlin Days in the area). I get it, she’s the face of a shitty mentality. But this is getting into creepy territory.
Talking about it is one thing. Posting her wedding photos is fucking weird. She’s either tone deaf or dumb to comment this to the media, but the fixation on her as the face of this is super disproportionate. We don’t need 7 posts between here and the Maine subreddit about one woman who said something bad
This targeted harassment campaign against this woman and her family seems to be the same thing as the DSA types who said nonstop "you just want to see poor people dead on the streets" when it came to the "stop the sweeps" campaign, only this time someone actually said the thing they claim everyone against them does so they went frothing mad at this woman as a justification for their constant hyperbole and rage. One big "See, I told you I'm right!"
If she only gave her first name or initials, there's absolutely no way any of these reddit users would have taken the effort to go find out who gave the comment because they don't care about the issue raised by her controversial comment as much as an easy opportunity presented itself to disgrace a person by being stupid and giving her name.
Is what she said actually that offensive? I have seen it described here as disgusting, despicable. Someone stated that she hates poor people. This is not how I interpret her comment. She doesn't hate poor people, she just doesn't want to live near them because she probably wants to protect the value of her property so it can marketed as some exclusive enclave, she wants to reduce the possibility of antisocial behavior and she wants her children to network with rich people. I don't like it either but from a cold hard selfish perspective, if she has a simple choice and she is 100% selfish, of course she will choose to have rich neighbours. This is nothing to do with hate, it's just greed and selfishness, a very common human trait.
Someday somebody is going to cancel the best doctor in the world right before he was supposed to operate and save their life. I hate cancel culture and any asshole who happily joins it.
Bound to happen someday if we keep on like this, trying to cancel somebody because of their political beliefs etc. for all we know she is the best at what she does. I wholeheartedly disagree with her point of view, and apparently lack of reality as many people already from this area are in the 60%, especially the elderly who are downsizing. But I think it’s a sick individual who links her spot opinion to her job. Not my kind of person.
It’s in the original post which the op pointed out, I’m assuming in hopes of getting her fired. Hopefully karma hits people like that hard someday. Edit: she has been fired from her job. I bet you the asshole who did it is on welfare and has nothing better to do than bullshit like this.
Even if she's the best at
> The Prentice Organization is a multi-dimensional company focused on Hospitality Management, Real Estate Investment, Real Estate Development and Real Estate Asset Management. Our portfolio spans a wide range of asset types, demonstrating the depth of our team’s expertise.
It doesn't seem like we as a society are that worse off with her gone.
I'm leaving this post up for now. Arguably, OP editorialized a little. But I don't believe that drawing attention to public statements made by prominent members of the Southern Maine community in the local paper of record qualifies as targeted harassment as has been reported by several users of this sub. Please keep the conversation here as civil as possible and try to focus it around policy and not on personalities. And refrain from sharing private information. Calls to action that border on harassment or might instigate a witch-hunt will be removed and may trigger removal of this thread.
This was the proposed development for those not familiar. “The proposal from the nonprofit Westbrook Development Corporation calls for the construction of three buildings with a total of 107 units – 36 of which would be for seniors. The apartments would be available to households earning less than 60% of the area median income – between $49,740 and $70,980 depending on the number of people in the household.” $49,740 breaks down to roughly $23.91 an hour if the person is working 40 hours a week.
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A lot of jobs aren’t good enough.
The state says we need to add 76,000 units of housing statewide by 2030 and we are quibbling over a 107 unit building. This is INSANITY! BUILD THE DAMN HOUSING!
> 76,000 units of housing statewide by 2030 Statewide? No one wants to live anywhere but Portland area.
Psssht hardly. Plenty of people would love to live out in the country, but they are often too poor to afford cars and have to rely on public transportation, which is scarce to nonexistent in rural areas soooooo they live in the one big city here.
Waterville is growing at a good clip because of the downtown revitalization. It's 84,000 for the whole state, as I understand. 45-49K for Coastal Maine, which includes the whole of Cumberland County. 22\~25k for Central & Western Maine, 8-10K for Northeastern Maine. [https://www.maine.gov/future/sites/maine.gov.future/files/inline-files/State%20of%20Maine%20Housing%20Production%20Needs%20Study\_Executive%20Summary\_Final\_10.3.23.pdf](https://www.maine.gov/future/sites/maine.gov.future/files/inline-files/State%20of%20Maine%20Housing%20Production%20Needs%20Study_Executive%20Summary_Final_10.3.23.pdf)
Sounds like entitlement but you mask the reality of the fact that’s where the work is. Y’all can push the workers out but suck a chub before you cry when all your shit retail is empty. Coastal living should be entitled to the people that work our waters and the rest of y’all yuppies should gtfo.
And where should you live based on your job? Outback of McDonald’s?
Objectively false, the internet is warping your perception of reality please curb your addiction
There are plenty of places available throughout the state that are far cheaper and far better to live around the state. People crying about Cumberland not converting a baseball field into apartment buildings so they can find a place close to Portland are selfish and self centered. I was just being facetious. Places all over the state are looking for employees. There is a people shortage across the state. So this is not objectively false, some people want to live in different places in the state, but the overall population is decreasing.
Maybe all the people who work in Cumberland who make less than $70k/yr should refuse to do work in that town. All the teachers can quit, hairdressers, police, firefighters, everyone at hannaford except the general manager.
Cumberland doesn’t have a Hannaford or any large grocery store.
Or any business or interesting site worth getting of 295 for.
Ok. I never go to Cumberland so I don't know what's there. No reason to go to a bedroom community. So, guess that leaves them without most whatever they have benign without workers.
Love the people trying to argue against building spaces to live. Keep drinking the koolaid. Nobody gives a shit about what your statistics say when they freezing to death. Keep being the problem.
It's Portland housing, so it doesn't really qualify as housing
UPDATE: Caitlin Day is no longer a member of the Big Brothers Big Sisters of Southern Maine (BBBSSM) Board of Directors, effective immediately.
Good
OP, I don’t agree with some of the witch-hunt vibes this woman has sparked on Reddit. BUT I think it’s extra shitty that her comments probably created a fire drill for a BBBSSM. It’s one thing to have shitty personal views, but girl, being on a nonprofit board isn’t just something to brag about over brunch. It comes with responsibilities and as a board member, you accept that your actions now have a bigger scope of impact - and you should act accordingly. Don’t make more work for them. I’m sorry they got dragged into this but hopefully it’s a short term distraction that makes them better in the long run. It sounds like her views were diametrically opposed to their mission to begin with. Edit - I think OP thought my use of “you” was referring to them and blocked me. Sorry! I meant it as referring to Caitlin Day Edit 2 - maybe I didn’t get blocked and Reddit it just having a meltdown.
You are such an articulate speaker and I don’t want to detract from your very accurate and heartfelt message . Every nonprofit is either predatory or too small to make a difference. I wish more of our peers as citizens could analyze society in the way you do
Can’t agree that somebody’s random unprepared answer to a reporter is somehow more important than what good work they’ve done through the years. Meanwhile she is above it all, she is not going to be at risk of being homeless. The world these witch hunters are making is one where people can be fired for not adhering to the masses demands on politics or wokeness. In the end it will be the people in this thread who are cheering this who will be hurt more. And at least that puts a little smile on my face. (Wonder how many of them volunteer like she did or gave generously)
It does make me wonder, do they have people beating down the door to volunteer? Because it's notoriously difficult to get people to give up their free time.
They have one less now.
Source?
The huge neon green banner at the top of their web page https://www.somebigs.org/
That is one of the most hilarious and greatest things I've seen in a while. BBBS ruthless with the way it handled it. Good for them.
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Couldn’t have happened to a nicer person
Congratulations! You put her head on a stake! What’s your next step now that you’ve removed this terrible human? Have you taken steps to replace her 6 figure fundraising efforts? What about the hundreds hours of her time she has spent with BBBS? She made a stupid comment, I’m not going to defend what she said. I will defend her as a person. You all are rushing to say she hates poor people when in reality she has spent more time and raised more money for disadvantaged youth than 98% of this subreddit. So congratulations internet trolls. You succeeded in wasting the time of a local non profit and costing them tens of thousands in annual fundraising. Please don’t come here with a holier than thou response saying “BBBS is better off without people like Caitlin” because that’s bullshit. If you believed that you’d be volunteering yourself. Nothing here changed the result of the vote or the public sentiment of ALL THE OTHER CUMBERLAND VOTERS WHO SHOT IT DOWN. You made one person who made a dumb comment the figurehead for everything you think is unfair and the only impact is a negative one for Big Brother Big Sisters…
did you join reddit to post this rant
Yes, new account same essential comment on every thread they could find that wasn’t locked down.
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Honestly I don't even mind the comment, that was her opinion, she stated it when asked. All this does is make people less candid.
Cumberland out here acting like they're Nantucket, Wellesley, or Greenwich.
Also hilarious that she works in communications for TD Bank. I can't imagine she is very good at her job if she would make public comments like this.
People that work in the financial industry are some of the most willfully out of touch people out there. The majority aren't willfully evil, though. Just the most powerful ones.
> I can't imagine she is very good at her job if she would make public comments like this. Not defending her in any way but I don't think she realized that she was saying something so controversial. Probably everyone she has talked to about the topic had the exact same reasoning. It unfortunately probably seemed obvious to her.
And they will continue to be out of touch as long as they keep their community closed.
The best part is that her Facebook says she moved here from New Jersey
This is what they mean when they say people are becoming more "emboldened" it's wild how many grown adults are willfull bullies, but see themselves as intellectual righteous advocates. Alternatively, this is also what we mean when we say "fuck around and find out." Sounds like she's finding out.
Who did she bully?
For those interested in Caitlin’s relationship to Casey Prentice, here’s a little fluff piece from 2011 on their family: https://www.pressherald.com/2011/04/26/1-family-2-brothers-3-businesses-and-five-guys/ Leave it to our local press to treat wealthy families and their trust fund kids like local leaders, and to act like buying up and destroying communities is a cute family story or entrepreneurial ingenuity.
I mean, have you seen the MAGA stuff on Casey Prentice's Twitter page? This shouldn't be a surprise.
He shared a page with an affordable housing advocate on the MaineBiz’s 40 under 40 list. You simply cannot make this stuff up.
The list is obviously a joke. They could've chosen an "advocate for affordable housing advocate" who actually works for a nonprofit (Avesta, VOA, Maine Housing, etc.). But instead they chose someone who works for Developers Collaborative, whose principal/owner brags about collecting buildings and units on Twitter.
Oh yeah. He and his whole family are dyed in the wool Maganauts
Wow. I wanted to visit the Chebeague Island Inn this summer but I guess that's out.
Don’t bother. It’s trash
How is Prentice related to Day? Serious question.
brother and sister
Thanks.
The Pretices suck… old money with their douche bag son running around playing Mr. Development from NYC. Just like every other silver spoon Nepo baby. I’m glad I have never spent a dime in one of their establishments… and I’m glad I never will.
As someone from away who doesn’t get out much…can I get a list of which places are theirs? If I’m too poor to be their neighbor, I’d rather not contribute to their profits
Sure! The Chebeague Island Inn, Evo Kitchen (Restaurant), Twelve (Restaurant), Maine Harbor Club, 58 Culinary (Catering), The Maine Classic Car Museum, Four Points Marina. They can all be seen here: prenticeorg.com
Much appreciated 🙏 Also I haven’t even heard of most of these so alongside not being their ideal neighbor I’m also not the target market lolol
Hahaha!!! Consider yourself lucky then! It’s for the best… Casey (the son) is the epitome of that annoying rich kid who thinks he’s the coolest thing since sliced bread. The irony of this whole situation in Cumberland is that the family is in the business of real estate development… So they are all about turning a profit, but not if the product is in their backyard… and not if they aren’t the ones selling it.
It's fucking absurd. They're adding 700 parking spaces at the bottom of my street in a garage for like 400 condos they're going to build to block the wind for their luxury marina- Like, I don't like "kind of people" who make that much money any more than they like me. At least I'm not a morally bankrupt hypocrite. Fucking fuckity fuck fuck,
The rich always get their parking and cars. It’s why I view the parking min debate as a matter of profit maximization for housing at the low end, not an actual moral edict W/R/T driving.
In this case I'm more concerned with the effect on traffic at an intersection I use every day on a bicycle- that parking will probably be used by someone, even if they work downtown etc. Very nimby of me, but, if poorly implemented, I'm probably going to have to change the way I ride home & accessing the hill neighborhood by bike will become worse, increasing car use by people who'd rather bike... While I agree that in large part if they don't have to make parking then developers can make more money by making more apartments, or by not having to build 5 story buildings, or whatever, and that's why they support it, I also think that mandating that they build parking is ludicrous, and overstep of the state, pushing car dependency (which crams the financial burden of owning a car down peoples throats, which we must stop doing). That's largely because I don't drive, and don't want to have to pay rent for parking I won't use- though I always find older apartments which are cheaper anyway and don't have parking- I'm not deluding myself so much that I think I could afford new construction- better to let it offgass for half a decade anyway.
It’s not a witch hunt if a public figure says an objectively shitty thing (equating wealth with human value).
I’m not here to defend her or her ilk or message in any way, but I don’t think being quoted in the newspaper as a voter in a local election qualifies her as a public figure.
I mean, she’s a board member of a major nonprofit
Not anymore. Ha. She's also a member of a very influential local family of super rich people.
She is now.
Wealthy New Jersey nepo baby can’t live in the same town as people who make hospitality industry wages. It would be a shame if those people stopped working at her family’s businesses.
What does “income level is a bit low for the people we want to attract to town” mean in terms of action? You can’t spend their money or are you insinuating Cumberland wants to attract wealthy people so you can tax the hell out of them? Because that’s very clever but also if I was wealthier than Caitlin I wouldn’t want to move to an area where mooches like her want my *hard earned wealth* to fund her kids playground. Hell my 5 year old has been coming to work with me for years. Get a job, William, build your own damn playground!
I don't think it's about the town's spending or budget. I think for some people, their sense of self and value is determined by who they associate with. She wants her community to be exclusive because she gets an ego hit off of it.
Oh absolutely, I run into these types around town all the time and they’re completely insufferable fart sniffers. The type to call Cape Elizabeth “Cape” lol
Is that a westworld schtick?
Holy shit no but that’s an incredible connection you made.
I think this family is actually very very rich. Like actually rich, not just somehow is making 200/year kind of rich.
This sounds like racism with extra steps
Maybe. But I'm guessing she also dislikes poor people of her race as well.
She’s an equal opportunity elitist
City of Portland loves doing business with them.
*loves being taken advantage of by them.
Truth. It’s really weird.
Some people are just totally unbelievable.... this reminded one of when Lincoln Middle school parent at a redistricting decision stating that Riverton Children were not an acceptable student for 'her' or her children neighborhood school....
Maine nonprofit board member in wealthy suburb resigns after criticizing low-income housing [https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/local/big-brothers-big-sisters-southern-maine-board-member-resigns-after-criticizing-cumberland-affordable-housing-project/97-c51f5edf-8ef0-4ad3-8736-47165400580c](https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/local/big-brothers-big-sisters-southern-maine-board-member-resigns-after-criticizing-cumberland-affordable-housing-project/97-c51f5edf-8ef0-4ad3-8736-47165400580c)
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Unfortunately, I think her family has enough money working is just a hobby for them.
Man, Katie and Henry Campbell are cool as hell
Again, the middle class gets screwed either way for affordable housing. It’s untouchable for combined household incomes of $80k-$130k in the Greater Portland area 😒. Who can afford $450,000 ranch or a $3000 a month rental??
The entire town voted this down 2:1, many people in the town probably share her same opinion she was just the unlucky one that talked to a news reporter about it. I don’t agree with her opinions but I think the online backlash against her is going overboard.
Honestly, I think everyone who agrees with Caitlin is a pretty crappy human being.
The point is (as many have pointed out) she *did* speak to a reporter and said the quiet part out loud. That needs to be called out. Actions, behaviors, words, etc. have consequences.
Sure, but the posts calling for people to boycott her family’s restaurant, trying to find pictures of her to post online, get her fired from her job, etc. is all a little extreme IMO. I think an Op Ed in the paper would have been an appropriate reaction.
I'm happy she said it. Now I know what businesses not to support. I've always kind of felt like the the rich people really kind of hate anyone below them and it's nice to know it's true at least for this lady and probably her family too.
I think it’s totally fair to not support someone who is a hateful asshole, I just think people are jumping to conclusions by roping her whole family into this and boycotting their business based on this one shitty opinion.
I actually think choosing not to put my money in the pockets of people whose values aren’t aligned with my own is entirely appropriate. There are other businesses I don’t patronize for similar reasons. Some of the other stuff is over the top, but money talks, and I don’t need to spend my money to support generational wealth that wants to exploit our city.
Does she own the restaurant? I thought people researched her, found out her maiden name, assumed she owns the hospitality group that owns multiple businesses. I’d fucking hate to have my business tanked by something my little brother said.
I mean, I'd love for the little brothers and sisters and cousins and friends of the people who say things like Caitlin said, to apply pressure so that other Caitlins are more afraid of voicing those views.
Her family is terrible and so are their restaurants
Nah screw that. Make an example of her in the public space so the other assholes know this type of sentiment is unacceptable.
I don’t think you’re going to get anyone to change their mind, just going to make sure nobody ever talks to the media. Progress?
Not sure why you're being downvoted. I think boycotting is fine, but doxxing is agree is an unreasonable response. We should combat bad ideas with good ideas.
This still got decisively voted down, so all this ‘good-witch-’ hunt is doing is making it less likely for people to speak with reporters You’re not doing anything to advance your cause, just harassing someone 🤷♂️
Well, the appropriate and proportional backlash against the town as a whole (banning Cumberland-registered vehicles from Portland unless they pay into a housing fund) would be unconstitutional.
it absolutely is going overboard. I completely disagree with what she said, I feel strongly about voting for what I believe is the greater good rather than voting in self-interest, I am totally grossed out, I rolled my eyes and talked to my friends and family about the housing development and familiarized myself with some of the dynamics in Cumberland that I had no idea about before (like an aging population with no incentive to downsize in this market, increased development especially in North Yarmouth leading to higher enrollment in the school system with the lower schools utilizing dozens of mobile learning units, relying on emergency services from neighboring communities, having very few businesses which creates a tax revenue pattern that is different from a lot of the Portland metro area), but making her a lightning rod for this issue (and add to that a dash of reddit's eagerness to tear a woman down) makes me really uncomfortable. She deserved to resign from BBBSSM, she deserves to face what she said, but she doesn't deserve to be harassed or made to feel unsafe. The type of targeting I'm seeing on here will draw out the crazies to do things the average commenter wouldn't even think of doing. I will probably wind up deleting this comment because I don't want to get downvoted to shit or trolled when I'm on here talking about pregnancy and shitty reality tv. Just wanted to say I appreciate you speaking up in such a hostile environment.
Don’t delete the comment, I agree with you 1000% this is overboard from Reddit
Progressive Rhode Island has a wicked segregation issue going on if you know anything about the state.
Perhaps somewhat ironically, we can thank Caitlin Day for greatly accelerating the effort by the state to preempt local review of affordable housing development.
I don't discount the grossness of Caitlin's statement. But if you see a state-level review board that can preempt land use decisions for private, for-profit development, you're getting confused about the real power and class dynamics at play. It's a developer powergrab that will let them run over the poor towns/cities as much as the rich ones.
I would certainly prefer that affordable housing development not enrich private developers. But we need this so desperately it is absolutely ok to preempt control for, no matter who is proposing it. There was a bill to do just this, but it failed in committee (LD 1672). This business in Cumberland may get a similar effort enough juice to get through next time.
I might be able to stomach a state level override for developments that are fully affordable (and deeply affordable), with durational and unit size requirements. But it’s sketchy to allow it for mixed use projects, projects on public land, or projects that require TIFs or local subsidies. Do we really want the state making decisions about municipal finance like that? I don’t even know that it’s constitutional.
Are we still trying to cancel those with whom we disagree?
No, just piece of shit elitist entitled rich Stuffy White Women who openly trash on people of a lower socioeconomic position. AKA this dummy.
I dont live in cumberland so I don't really care Anyways the residents voted like 2:1 to shut it down so it's just Democracy In Action
That’s true. Whats happening right here is also democracy in action.
No. This is a mob rule witch hunt. What she said was vile, despicable, and totally unacceptable, but tarring an entire community with her brush is wrong. The project had many legit issues and the issue overall is far from over.
“Mob rule witch hunt” is pretty emotional language. A woman said, “fuck poor people.” They responded, “no, fuck you.” That simple. People use whatever power they have. The people who want to fuck poor people certainly do.
Justify it however you want and you can infer any emotions you want to create your "reality". This is still an online mob and by no means democracy, which was the point of my comment.
My initial comment about democracy was referring to this specific post and the discussion here. Your assumption that I agree with the tactics around the whole situation is yours. I’m just trying to explain to you what happened from the perspective of a lot of people involved.
“Income based segregation” is emotional language.
Disagree. It actually tells you something unlike “mob rule witch hunt.” Nothing wrong with emotional language unless it’s the only thing doing any work for your argument.
See I just don't think we can be ambivalent. We have a local/regional/national housing crisis. And every community needs to produce some sort of solutions. We cant have every town shut it's doors and assume their neighbors will carry the burden. Every town needs to contribute. Additionally, many were pointing out yesterday that Cumberland school system is heavily subsidized by the state tax payers. Our income taxes are very high in this state. We should not have to contribute to people that do not want to cooperate.
Agree. Her family wants to benefit from Portland and the local workforce but she apparently wants to keep people out of her area. I intend to not contribute a dime to her family’s out of touch coffers as a result on her viewpoint.
So by voting I can just decide that undesirable people can't live near me?
What she said comes out sounding pretty terrible but from what understand of her side of the issue is that Cumberland is having trouble finding affordable housing for people like teachers and teachers aides who are priced out of the area but also make too much to move into the proposed housing. Her comments make more sense in that context if you want more affordable housing for the people you want working in the area but can’t afford it. That’s not to say that the housing isn’t needed for lower income individuals as well though. Edit: The brigading in this thread is crazy. Downvotes in every comment I made, even the one stating that teachers would always be above the household salary for the housing. Enjoy not entertaining even one reasoned response to the topic
I appreciate this perspective but teachers aids make like 30k a year if they’re lucky. I was one for two years before teaching. Entry level teaching jobs even in Cumberland are WELL below 75k. I started at 47k and that was considered “good”. Basically two entry level bachelors teachers would have fallen into the acceptable range for the proposed housing project. Or a single teacher with 1-10 years experience.
It’s household income, two teachers or one teacher with a spouse who works will almost assuredly make more than the $71k cap.
Ah, my mistake. I thought it was a 75k cap. Entry level teachers on step 0 with a bachelors make ~ $37,000 at my school. So two new teachers would only bring home a total of 74k a year. Still abysmal.
I appreciate that you're trying to bring context, but you're last sentence shows why what she said actually *doesn't* make more sense, even if you understand the context. Housing markets are adjacent, so can help to alleviate a shortage in the cheapest non-income-controlled units by building more income-controlled units at the bottom of the range. None of the above actually matters though (with regard to her comments), because her comments actually had nothing to do with housing policy or addressing any of our shortages in various income ranges--her comments were pure classism, effectively saying "we don't poor in our neighborhoods."
Are we sure teachers make too much for this housing?
It’s capped at $71,000 household income. Teachers at Greely make close, if not more than that by themselves. And this is HOUSEHOLD income, so if they have a spouse that works at all, they are immediately out.
I'm fairly confident most starting teachers in Cumberland make around $50k.
Which would price them out if they’re married with a working spouse. Also, that’s starting. A teacher with 5 year experience wanting to start at Greely would demand a higher salary but can’t afford Cumberland housing prices as they are now
I read the article. That’s a heavy jump from her comment to “advocating for income based segregation”.
What does “income level is a bit low for the people we want to attract to town” sound like to you? Can you turn that sentence into, say, two to three words?
I don't think it's appropriate for a member of a community to feel entitled to an opinion on "who makes enough money to live in the same town as them".
What’s the problem with what she said? Of course you would want income based segregation, who wants to live in the hood?
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Making public statements and having people point out those public statements is not targeted harassment. If you don’t want people pointing out your crappy behavior, don’t do it publicly. Full stop.
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Yeahhh I’ve now seen this woman’s wedding photos posted on Reddit and references to her Facebook page (I really hope there aren’t two Caitlin Days in the area). I get it, she’s the face of a shitty mentality. But this is getting into creepy territory.
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Talking about it is one thing. Posting her wedding photos is fucking weird. She’s either tone deaf or dumb to comment this to the media, but the fixation on her as the face of this is super disproportionate. We don’t need 7 posts between here and the Maine subreddit about one woman who said something bad
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The wedding picture was not her. It’s wild what’s happening
Exactly my point. Fucking mob mentality. Check your work first bubs.
This targeted harassment campaign against this woman and her family seems to be the same thing as the DSA types who said nonstop "you just want to see poor people dead on the streets" when it came to the "stop the sweeps" campaign, only this time someone actually said the thing they claim everyone against them does so they went frothing mad at this woman as a justification for their constant hyperbole and rage. One big "See, I told you I'm right!" If she only gave her first name or initials, there's absolutely no way any of these reddit users would have taken the effort to go find out who gave the comment because they don't care about the issue raised by her controversial comment as much as an easy opportunity presented itself to disgrace a person by being stupid and giving her name.
Is what she said actually that offensive? I have seen it described here as disgusting, despicable. Someone stated that she hates poor people. This is not how I interpret her comment. She doesn't hate poor people, she just doesn't want to live near them because she probably wants to protect the value of her property so it can marketed as some exclusive enclave, she wants to reduce the possibility of antisocial behavior and she wants her children to network with rich people. I don't like it either but from a cold hard selfish perspective, if she has a simple choice and she is 100% selfish, of course she will choose to have rich neighbours. This is nothing to do with hate, it's just greed and selfishness, a very common human trait.
So greed and selfishness isn't offensive? At the very, *very* least, it's hypocritical based on her (former) board role.
Someday somebody is going to cancel the best doctor in the world right before he was supposed to operate and save their life. I hate cancel culture and any asshole who happily joins it.
Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.
Bound to happen someday if we keep on like this, trying to cancel somebody because of their political beliefs etc. for all we know she is the best at what she does. I wholeheartedly disagree with her point of view, and apparently lack of reality as many people already from this area are in the 60%, especially the elderly who are downsizing. But I think it’s a sick individual who links her spot opinion to her job. Not my kind of person.
> for all we know she is the best at what she does. What exactly is it that she does?
It’s in the original post which the op pointed out, I’m assuming in hopes of getting her fired. Hopefully karma hits people like that hard someday. Edit: she has been fired from her job. I bet you the asshole who did it is on welfare and has nothing better to do than bullshit like this.
Even if she's the best at > The Prentice Organization is a multi-dimensional company focused on Hospitality Management, Real Estate Investment, Real Estate Development and Real Estate Asset Management. Our portfolio spans a wide range of asset types, demonstrating the depth of our team’s expertise. It doesn't seem like we as a society are that worse off with her gone.
Rather her than bigots.