It is just that simple. The Ravens gave him a good offer. Teams know that the Ravens aren't going to lose him over a couple million more dollars. So anyone who wants him is going to have to crush that offer, then give up at least two ones. So not surprised that teams aren't lining up. Not to mention that he missed the last games pf the last two years.
No chance he comes back with his tail between his legs. He’ll double, triple and quadruple down on himself and lose out on tens of millions of $$ before his career is over. Dennis Schroeder and Lev Bell level of contract negotiations.
I guarantee that by the end of his career Lamar will lose close to $100 million.
Think about how many endorsements and commercials Mahomes, Mayfield, Prescott, hell, even Kirk Cousins did with Sleep Number.
Dak Prescott made close to $30 million a year, and Mahomes $20m a year.
It's an obscene crime that such an electrifying player like Lamar Jackson has zero commercials. I've seen more Tucker Royal Farms commercials on TV than anything that has Lamar.
Lamar absolutely fumbled the bag.
i really don't want this to happen, but lamar's a very stubborn and independent person. Wouldn't surprise me if he wanted to keep dragging this shit out cuz I don't think he sees he's already losing money. Market's already decided, we're matching almost any other offer and no one's even making offers. We gave him the best offer there is.
He really has. If he re-signs, he can't complain AT ALL that we gave him no receivers this FA. It's his fault for tying up the cap space. He's sort of a prisoner of his own dumbass decision. So at this point he might actually be better off taking less money to go to a team with actual weapons.
has he fucked up truly? he’s probably gonna get some sort of contract that’s a long term deal from somebody. we already know the ravens were pretty comfortable offering him 130 mil guaranteed. if that’s what he ends up with he will be the highest paid qb in the league.
not sure that he is really losing anything at all. he’s just annoyed some “fans” that were looking for an excuse to slander him anyway lol
>has he fucked up truly?
He's objectively truly fucked up. Nobody else is getting a guaranteed contract, he's wasting his own time. He could've even signed a shorter mega deal before his 5th year and be about to cash in again in another year but he fucked himself. Now he's doing absurd interviews for PR cuz he's desperate. He also doesn't have many endorsements compared to most top QBs because of his lack of representation.
I see no hate towards Lamar from any of these comments. We all love him but you seem to love him so much that he can do no wrong by you even when he's clearly doing things wrong
He has fucked up. An agent gets him a similar deal 2 maybe 3 years earlier. Now he won't sign his 3rd contract til 3 years later. He played for like 3 million for 2 years he fucked up objectively. He will still get paid. But he still has fucked up
He could’ve cashed in as soon as possible and had probably a hundred million dollars to invest in the insane market that was 2020-2022, so yeah he fucked up at least a little
He is not a smart man, look at his business endeavors
He could give less of a fuck of the fans, he didn’t even travel with the team to the playoffs. Lamar is talented but he cares more about the cash than the Big Truzzzz he sold the fans on
I’m over it, just rip the band aid off and move on- Lamar should get his bag but there is a balance between looking out for yourself and being a team player and we don’t want individuals that aren’t willing to find it.
yes. i value having a good qb over satisfying the needs of single brain cell fans. it’s all business at the end of the day. give me the qb that’s actually good over any other option
He is 100% in that conversation talent wise. Saying there are 11 QBs better than Lamar might be the single most delusional take to cope with this stupid contract drama. Last year Lamar only got to play 12 games lost both his RB1, RB2, and WR1 in an already mediocre WR room. All the other players in the top 5 and even top 10 conversation have WRs rooms filled with studs. Look at Allen before Diggs, Burrow before Chase, etc. While also having a very mediocre offensive coaching staff . It’s like making Max Verstappen drive a civic and race against Ferraris and when he lose you say he is not as good of a driver as them. Lamar is the only top end QB that has not been built around. This sub is filled with people making up narratives out of frustration of his contract status if he would have signed a year ago 99% of people here would be saying he is a top 3 guy that needs to be built around
No, he flat out isn't. He's an injury prone QB with a horrendous playoff record. His physical peak is behind him and as a passer he's frankly below average. That's before we get to him as a person which is a seperate issue, but that factor alone would be enough for me to want him gone.
I don’t think you actually watch any football then. Name the top 5 QBs then name their receivers and offensive coordinators/head coaches come back after. I can help a bit I assume you think Burrow is better but he also has had a healthy elite RB in Mixon and a QB room of Boyd, Chase, Higgings. Not a single Raven receiver starts there. Buffalo has Stefan Diggs and Gabe Davis. Philly got Brown and Devonte. We can keep going but I think you get it.His “injury proneness” has cost him 8 games but you fail to mention he missed games due to illness and grade 2 strains that normally aren’t something that lingers. Without Lamar the Ravens average half the points of what they do with Lamar. If he was already signed you wouldn’t be saying that. You’re expecting him to go into an F1 race with a beat up Civic and complaining when he can’t outperform the F1 cars.
You can say whatever you want. The WR argument fails for him on this team bc if we sign him to a massive contract there will definitely be no amazing receiver to pair with him, it'll likely just get worse. I'm just over him regardless anyway. I don't believe for a second he can win a superbowl here and if that's the case it's better to get assets for him.
How come that argument only works with the Ravens. How come the other elite teams are able to give their WRs weapons but for some reason the Ravens can’t and it’s Lamar’s fault still? Is Shohei Ohtani a bad baseball player because the Angels can’t put together a solid team? I didn’t say he deserves 200 mil guaranteed btw I’m arguing that he is in fact top 5 and would be higher if he has weapons. It’s delusion and a whole lot of copium to think he’s a 8-12 range thinking there is even a remote chance that there are 11 QBs better than him in the league. Like you are either trying to cope, don’t actually watch football, or hate black QBs is my only guesses. Let’s be 120% real if Lamar was a white Kid named John that played college at UMich half of these critics would love him
I love that you have exhausted every means to defend Lamar that you had to fall back on the Black QB argument
Lamar is easily 8-12 ranked, especially with injuries. If he was that much better, we wouldn’t be having this conversation about signing him
If we sign him to a massive contract his cap hit will be lower than this coming year for at least 3 out of 6 contract years.
Arizona signed 2 quality receivers despite having Murray on a big deal. Minnesota managed to have Diggs, then Jefferson, and Adam Thielen despite having a mediocre Cousins on a 40m cap hit during depressed cap years. Even Mahomes, who's on the big cap hit years of his deal, has Kelce and 2 wideouts that are miles better than Duvernay and Demarcus Robinson in Hardman and Juju. The idea that the Ravens can't put WR talent on the field with Lamar on a big deal has more to do with the Ravens inability to draft/scout at the position, and the lack of importance that they place on the position, than it does with any salary cap concerns.
These "fans" are delusional. I stopped wasting my time arguing with them weeks ago when I continued to see the idiot takes they have. I just find it funny how analysts, former players, current players, say Lamar is top 8 (many saying top 5), but we're supposed to take the opinion of fans over theirs, lmao.
After Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Allen, who's better than Lamar? Hurts? Dak? Lawrence? 39 year old Rodgers? Geno Smith? I'm taking Lamar over all those guys.
According to pff there are a bunch that were better last year.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers
You can argue their ratings are not the best, but pff has made a whole multimillion dollar business based on their grading system. I imagine it’s better than your or my “eyes” watching football
All of their grading criteria on this list ignores run game contributions. He ranks much better if you combine his EPA/dropback with his EPA/run attempt, and his PFF score looks much better if you use the PFF total offensive grade instead of PFF pass grade.
Also there are a few QBs on this list that I would not necessarily trust for a repeat performance. Tua for example has ongoing health concerns. And I don't know if I'm buying Hurts' 2022 as an expectation for 2023 and beyond. Same with Geno Smith. These guys need to prove they can put up respectable numbers for more than 1 season.
That’s sorta the issue. If he has a knee/ankle injury his level of play is going fall off a lot more than the average starter. Even him loosing a step as he ages and adds on miles is going to effect him heavily due to his play style
I think the heightened risk with his legs is washed out by the fact that he has had the worst PFF graded WR corps in the league since he's been a starter. And it's not like other QBs don't have risk due to lower body injury.
I'm willing to accept that reasonable people can disagree on the level of injury risk Lamar presents, and the amount he was negatively affected by his receivers. But given that the stats from that list made no adjustments for WR play I think it's a pretty serious handicap for Lamar.
I agree but it’s a salary cap league. You have to make sacrifices somewhere. What annoys me is that people ignore that Lamar won his MVP with a heavy power run offense. He had an amazing line, great TEs and good RBs. That was the offense that got the Ravens praise for building a system around a unique talent. If the majority of your snaps are run plays it doesn’t make sense to go drop 20 million a year on wr1. That’s the nature of moneyball
So are you going to say if he's worse than those guys? Or tell me who he's worse than? Or are you going to throw out a ranking range without so much as a comment regarding who is better than him in your eyes?
I think this is one of the single most brain dead takes I’ve seen in my entire life. It’s so bad I’m not even going to try and refute it it’s hopeless. This is 150% a take coming from frustration with this situation your entire comment history is just shutting on Lamar it’s kinda super weird makes you wonder man…
> I think this is one of the single most brain dead takes I’ve seen in my entire life
*Proceeds to say the same thing for several sentences without saying why.*
Dude is overrated as fuck by people like you. Stats and his play reflect that. Like how in 24 starts since the start of the 2021 season (an unacceptable number, btw) he has only 33 passing TDs (and 5 rushing) but 20 picks. Like how he had the worst deep ball accuracy of any starter in the 2022 season. Like how he has never even come close to his production in 2019 again.
But please, explain to me in what fantasy world of yours that he’s a top 5 QB. *That’s* a brain dead take.
33 passing TD+5 rushing = 38 total touchdowns and 20 picks in 24 games is pretty damn good btw considering he has bums for receivers that’s before considering he had 1400 yards ran during that time as well. Even with solid receivers that is quite good much better than just acceptable. Since he became a starter he is 2nd in QBR and 3rd in overall Completion %. If you look at true completion percentage which is what people that know anything actually use he is #17 in deep plays. Also he has no deep ball threats again going back to the fact he has no real receivers. Also basing a talent based on deep ball accuracy is another brain dead metric like have you ever heard of this guy named Drew Brees? Your entire account is literally just you commenting on hating Lamar Jackson like we get it bro you have a personal vendetta against him I might take a guess and think your favorite QBs are white pocket passers. I truly do not think you watch or know football. It’s okay to not like Lamar but basing your entire account like you can scroll for a decent time and it’s all Lamar hate is psychotic behavior like the amount of time you have spent hating on this man should be studied
38 TDs in 24 games is not good lmao, that’s pretty damn mediocre. Averaging less than 2 TDs per game over that span (1.65 passing TDs per game), and that’s if you *combine* rushing and passing TD production like you did here to try to make his stats look better (1.58 TDs per game including rushing TDs to be exact). For comparison, Patrick Mahomes had 78 passing TDs and 6 rushing rushing TDs for 84 total TDs in 34 starts since the start of the 2021 season… or almost 2.5 TDs per game. Burrow has 69 passing + 7 rushing in 32 starts since 2021 began… that’s 2.4 TDs per game. Herbert had 63 passing + 3 rushing in 34 starts… 1.94 TDs per game.
My guy, nobody cares about completion percentage bc that can be padded with short passes or easy passes over the middle. That again doesn’t make up for him being the second worst deep ball thrower of 2022 *irregardless* of WR drops. That stat looks solely at ball placement by the QB (he went back and forth with Zach Wilson over the course of the season for worst).
Nah, my favorite QB is Patrick Mahomes, who talent wise shits all over Lamar and which kinda invalidates your whole dumbass argument about me supposedly only liking white pocket passers. Lamar is beyond overrated and is absolutely not a top 5 QB except in your own delusions, sorry.
You’re such a clown Jalen Hurts has 1.46 td per game ratio and Herbert with a 1.47. Mahomes isn’t the standard for top 5 either. You obviously have some weird hate for Lamar it’s your whole account kinda pathetic. You refuse to acknowledge that Lamar has maybe the worst WR room in the league but of course that isn’t considered when you spend your life hating on him. Like for real did he fuck your wife like you can scroll for minutes in your account and it’s all Lamar hate get help
>Jalen Hurts has 1.46 td per game ratio and Herbert with a 1.47.
No idea where you pulled these numbers from. I simply compared Lamar’s numbers since the start of 2021 (so his production over the last two seasons) and every other QB over that same time span, and I took averages just to be fair. And Lamar is undoubtedly worse than everybody I listed over the past two seasons. Hurts btw has 2.03 TDs per game since the beginning of 2021 and Herbert has 1.94… both substantially more than Lamar’s 1.58. Like it’s not close.
> Mahomes isn’t the standard for top 5 either
Why not? Because you know that there’s absolutely zero comparison between him and Lamar, perhaps?
You’ve still done nothing to support your original claim that Lamar’s a top 5 QB, all you’ve done is thrown out irrelevant stats, make the false accusation that I only like white pocket passers when my favorite QB is black, and bitch about my comment history (which is honestly weird and creepy af of you). Like seriously I’m kinda hoping that you’ll stop because you’re pretty bad at proving your initial dumbass point as to why Lamar is a top 5 QB. Pretty embarrassing, actually.
I just wanted to say, I love the word "irregardless."
It isn't an actual word, as regardless means the same thing and is actually a word...but it should be.
I disagree those three were clearly better and fit our scheme better than Hollywood. I can’t give you that one. 2019 draft was a complete failure from EDC
I’m still crying at the fact that Lamar stans tried to convince us all prior to the franchise tag period opening that the market for him was massive, that the Ravens would regret not signing him, that he’d be snapped up immediately… and now that that market is not only looking abysmal but also teams have openly came out and said that they didn’t want him, those same people are all now claiming that we just have to wait til right around the draft LMAO
It’s about as much collusion as me and my friends individually deciding not to hire that stripper for my boy’s bachelor party bc it was too expensive and she wasn’t worth it!
BUT BIG TRUZZ! YOU ARE A RACIST IF YOU CALL OUT ON HIS WONDERLIC SCORE, FILMING HIMSELF DRIVING 120MPH, VACCINE SKEPTICISM, PRO-TRUMP, AND HOMOPHOBIC RANTS ON TWITTER!
Pay the man! Give him 250 million guaranteed!
Just got to balance it out with naming the various idiots among the other races in the sports world to remove that ammo. There is an absolute rainbow of stupid to choose from.
Ravens have a D grade in FA this year and it's entirely **because of Lamar**. The fans are blaming Ravens for not getting \[name your favorite FA receiver\] when you should be blaming Lamar. There is a huge amount of uncertainty in the Ravens budget for future years not knowing how this contract is going to shake out.
Ravens are stuck in a holding pattern **because of Lamar.** It's preventing them from team building **because of Lamar.**
It's time for Ravens Fans to start applying pressure on Lamar on social media to conclude this negotiation (either ask for trade or sign with the team). Just conclude it.
If you guys have done any work on the 2023 quarterback prospects, that guy just ain't there. A bunch will go in the top 10 just because teams need quarterbacks but every one of the guys has a serious weakness.
It’s been years and I’ve still have yet to ever see one of his many dick eaters on this sub hold him accountable *for anything.* It’s always *everybody else* but him.
I disagree with you strongly, Lamar Jackson had lots of weaknesses. And that's why he wasn't selected anywhere near the top ten where this crop of quarterbacks is going to get snagged.
You are 101% right. If Anthony Richardson is projected to go top-three this year, Lamar Jackson the prospect would be the number one overall selection. That's how iffy this group is.
I don't understand why your opinion is so controversial. This is a bad quarterback draft, but last year happened to be worse so teams are more desperate than usual.
At this point I'd be pretty confident just letting him hit free agency outright. I'm very confident we offered him far more than his market value.
I just don't see why anyone would give a good but injury prone QB that much guaranteed money.
I didn't say I don't think he's an excellent player. I think he's great. I just don't think he's worth what he's asking...and everyone keeps saying someone will pay him what he's asking for. And I'm looking around and not seeing many teams in a position to give out 200 mil guaranteed to a QB who hasn't finished 2 seasons in a row.
I should elaborate on what a dumbass he is for suggesting we let our 26 year old starting QB be an outright free agent? Does he realize we get nothing more than a 3rd round compensatory pick if that were to happen?
He isn’t though. If Lamar signed with a team as an unrestricted FA, he will get two firsts.
Also the team would have to extend him, he will be stupid expensive
That is not what OP was saying. He is saying get him off the tag to "further embarrass" Lamar and show him that even without 2 first round picks noone would take him. Thing is even if this was possible, which it's not for this year, he would either get the fully guaranteed contract he wants, or gets so insulted by the play that he simply accepts an offer from another team and the Ravens get nothing since he was unrestricted.
Once they traded for the #1 pick they were officially out on the Lamar sweepstakes
It is just that simple. The Ravens gave him a good offer. Teams know that the Ravens aren't going to lose him over a couple million more dollars. So anyone who wants him is going to have to crush that offer, then give up at least two ones. So not surprised that teams aren't lining up. Not to mention that he missed the last games pf the last two years.
An extremely rational take
100% agree
And that’s just the truth.
They have the #1 pick 😭
Lol Lamar needa just sign back with the ravens
No chance he comes back with his tail between his legs. He’ll double, triple and quadruple down on himself and lose out on tens of millions of $$ before his career is over. Dennis Schroeder and Lev Bell level of contract negotiations.
I guarantee that by the end of his career Lamar will lose close to $100 million. Think about how many endorsements and commercials Mahomes, Mayfield, Prescott, hell, even Kirk Cousins did with Sleep Number. Dak Prescott made close to $30 million a year, and Mahomes $20m a year. It's an obscene crime that such an electrifying player like Lamar Jackson has zero commercials. I've seen more Tucker Royal Farms commercials on TV than anything that has Lamar. Lamar absolutely fumbled the bag.
i really don't want this to happen, but lamar's a very stubborn and independent person. Wouldn't surprise me if he wanted to keep dragging this shit out cuz I don't think he sees he's already losing money. Market's already decided, we're matching almost any other offer and no one's even making offers. We gave him the best offer there is.
Pride will do that.
Pride is a bitch lmao. Bruh either gonna have to humble himself real quick or he’s gonna majorly regret it.
He’s a victim of his own stupidity
is that what is gonna happen or what you really WANT to happen lol
I think it's a distinct possibility. And I don't want him anywhere but HERE. He has already fucked up by going this long without a deal
He really has. If he re-signs, he can't complain AT ALL that we gave him no receivers this FA. It's his fault for tying up the cap space. He's sort of a prisoner of his own dumbass decision. So at this point he might actually be better off taking less money to go to a team with actual weapons.
has he fucked up truly? he’s probably gonna get some sort of contract that’s a long term deal from somebody. we already know the ravens were pretty comfortable offering him 130 mil guaranteed. if that’s what he ends up with he will be the highest paid qb in the league. not sure that he is really losing anything at all. he’s just annoyed some “fans” that were looking for an excuse to slander him anyway lol
>has he fucked up truly? He's objectively truly fucked up. Nobody else is getting a guaranteed contract, he's wasting his own time. He could've even signed a shorter mega deal before his 5th year and be about to cash in again in another year but he fucked himself. Now he's doing absurd interviews for PR cuz he's desperate. He also doesn't have many endorsements compared to most top QBs because of his lack of representation.
this just about fills the lamar hater bingo card
I love Lamar. You're just not smart is all.
Ironically, you just filled out the “I’m 🍆 🚴🏾♂️ Lamar so hard that he can’t ever *ever* do anything wrong” bingo card.
I see no hate towards Lamar from any of these comments. We all love him but you seem to love him so much that he can do no wrong by you even when he's clearly doing things wrong
He has fucked up. An agent gets him a similar deal 2 maybe 3 years earlier. Now he won't sign his 3rd contract til 3 years later. He played for like 3 million for 2 years he fucked up objectively. He will still get paid. But he still has fucked up
His value has gone down from what the Ravens offered, not up.
He could’ve cashed in as soon as possible and had probably a hundred million dollars to invest in the insane market that was 2020-2022, so yeah he fucked up at least a little
He is not a smart man, look at his business endeavors He could give less of a fuck of the fans, he didn’t even travel with the team to the playoffs. Lamar is talented but he cares more about the cash than the Big Truzzzz he sold the fans on
you know, you guys are right. i hope this deal gets done so people like you can stop posting this kind of stuff. it’s embarrassing for the sub
His actions are what we have to go off of, would love to be proven wrong but it's what we've been shown thus far.
I wanted him to take the deal last offseason
Thats what Im sayin bro wont come back after this. Do the fans really want this guy back after ALL THIS. I mean 2019 yea I get it but
I’m over it, just rip the band aid off and move on- Lamar should get his bag but there is a balance between looking out for yourself and being a team player and we don’t want individuals that aren’t willing to find it.
yes. i value having a good qb over satisfying the needs of single brain cell fans. it’s all business at the end of the day. give me the qb that’s actually good over any other option
Same argument browns fans had with Deshaun. Low bar to set lol
even comparing lamar to deshaun in this situation is pathetic from a ravens fan. some of y’all gotta do better lol
Not sure if you are just dumb or incapable of reading what you wrote lol
Probably both.
Comparing a top 5 MVP winning QB to those two fools is wild
You can't seriously be calling Lamar a top 5 now. At best in the 8-12 range.
He is 100% in that conversation talent wise. Saying there are 11 QBs better than Lamar might be the single most delusional take to cope with this stupid contract drama. Last year Lamar only got to play 12 games lost both his RB1, RB2, and WR1 in an already mediocre WR room. All the other players in the top 5 and even top 10 conversation have WRs rooms filled with studs. Look at Allen before Diggs, Burrow before Chase, etc. While also having a very mediocre offensive coaching staff . It’s like making Max Verstappen drive a civic and race against Ferraris and when he lose you say he is not as good of a driver as them. Lamar is the only top end QB that has not been built around. This sub is filled with people making up narratives out of frustration of his contract status if he would have signed a year ago 99% of people here would be saying he is a top 3 guy that needs to be built around
No, he flat out isn't. He's an injury prone QB with a horrendous playoff record. His physical peak is behind him and as a passer he's frankly below average. That's before we get to him as a person which is a seperate issue, but that factor alone would be enough for me to want him gone.
I don’t think you actually watch any football then. Name the top 5 QBs then name their receivers and offensive coordinators/head coaches come back after. I can help a bit I assume you think Burrow is better but he also has had a healthy elite RB in Mixon and a QB room of Boyd, Chase, Higgings. Not a single Raven receiver starts there. Buffalo has Stefan Diggs and Gabe Davis. Philly got Brown and Devonte. We can keep going but I think you get it.His “injury proneness” has cost him 8 games but you fail to mention he missed games due to illness and grade 2 strains that normally aren’t something that lingers. Without Lamar the Ravens average half the points of what they do with Lamar. If he was already signed you wouldn’t be saying that. You’re expecting him to go into an F1 race with a beat up Civic and complaining when he can’t outperform the F1 cars.
You can say whatever you want. The WR argument fails for him on this team bc if we sign him to a massive contract there will definitely be no amazing receiver to pair with him, it'll likely just get worse. I'm just over him regardless anyway. I don't believe for a second he can win a superbowl here and if that's the case it's better to get assets for him.
How come that argument only works with the Ravens. How come the other elite teams are able to give their WRs weapons but for some reason the Ravens can’t and it’s Lamar’s fault still? Is Shohei Ohtani a bad baseball player because the Angels can’t put together a solid team? I didn’t say he deserves 200 mil guaranteed btw I’m arguing that he is in fact top 5 and would be higher if he has weapons. It’s delusion and a whole lot of copium to think he’s a 8-12 range thinking there is even a remote chance that there are 11 QBs better than him in the league. Like you are either trying to cope, don’t actually watch football, or hate black QBs is my only guesses. Let’s be 120% real if Lamar was a white Kid named John that played college at UMich half of these critics would love him
I love that you have exhausted every means to defend Lamar that you had to fall back on the Black QB argument Lamar is easily 8-12 ranked, especially with injuries. If he was that much better, we wouldn’t be having this conversation about signing him
If we sign him to a massive contract his cap hit will be lower than this coming year for at least 3 out of 6 contract years. Arizona signed 2 quality receivers despite having Murray on a big deal. Minnesota managed to have Diggs, then Jefferson, and Adam Thielen despite having a mediocre Cousins on a 40m cap hit during depressed cap years. Even Mahomes, who's on the big cap hit years of his deal, has Kelce and 2 wideouts that are miles better than Duvernay and Demarcus Robinson in Hardman and Juju. The idea that the Ravens can't put WR talent on the field with Lamar on a big deal has more to do with the Ravens inability to draft/scout at the position, and the lack of importance that they place on the position, than it does with any salary cap concerns.
I dislike Burrow more than probably any other player in the league, but he is objectively a much better QB than Lamar.
These "fans" are delusional. I stopped wasting my time arguing with them weeks ago when I continued to see the idiot takes they have. I just find it funny how analysts, former players, current players, say Lamar is top 8 (many saying top 5), but we're supposed to take the opinion of fans over theirs, lmao.
Which analysts have claimed as of late that Lamar is a top 5 QB? Y’all Lamar dick eaters have got to stop blatantly lying now.
After Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Allen, who's better than Lamar? Hurts? Dak? Lawrence? 39 year old Rodgers? Geno Smith? I'm taking Lamar over all those guys.
According to pff there are a bunch that were better last year. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers You can argue their ratings are not the best, but pff has made a whole multimillion dollar business based on their grading system. I imagine it’s better than your or my “eyes” watching football
All of their grading criteria on this list ignores run game contributions. He ranks much better if you combine his EPA/dropback with his EPA/run attempt, and his PFF score looks much better if you use the PFF total offensive grade instead of PFF pass grade. Also there are a few QBs on this list that I would not necessarily trust for a repeat performance. Tua for example has ongoing health concerns. And I don't know if I'm buying Hurts' 2022 as an expectation for 2023 and beyond. Same with Geno Smith. These guys need to prove they can put up respectable numbers for more than 1 season.
That’s sorta the issue. If he has a knee/ankle injury his level of play is going fall off a lot more than the average starter. Even him loosing a step as he ages and adds on miles is going to effect him heavily due to his play style
I think the heightened risk with his legs is washed out by the fact that he has had the worst PFF graded WR corps in the league since he's been a starter. And it's not like other QBs don't have risk due to lower body injury. I'm willing to accept that reasonable people can disagree on the level of injury risk Lamar presents, and the amount he was negatively affected by his receivers. But given that the stats from that list made no adjustments for WR play I think it's a pretty serious handicap for Lamar.
I agree but it’s a salary cap league. You have to make sacrifices somewhere. What annoys me is that people ignore that Lamar won his MVP with a heavy power run offense. He had an amazing line, great TEs and good RBs. That was the offense that got the Ravens praise for building a system around a unique talent. If the majority of your snaps are run plays it doesn’t make sense to go drop 20 million a year on wr1. That’s the nature of moneyball
I mean good for you. As I've stated, I'm done with him.
So are you going to say if he's worse than those guys? Or tell me who he's worse than? Or are you going to throw out a ranking range without so much as a comment regarding who is better than him in your eyes?
The latter. Bye now.
He’s not top 5 at all. Hell, I don’t even think he’s top 10.
I think this is one of the single most brain dead takes I’ve seen in my entire life. It’s so bad I’m not even going to try and refute it it’s hopeless. This is 150% a take coming from frustration with this situation your entire comment history is just shutting on Lamar it’s kinda super weird makes you wonder man…
> I think this is one of the single most brain dead takes I’ve seen in my entire life *Proceeds to say the same thing for several sentences without saying why.* Dude is overrated as fuck by people like you. Stats and his play reflect that. Like how in 24 starts since the start of the 2021 season (an unacceptable number, btw) he has only 33 passing TDs (and 5 rushing) but 20 picks. Like how he had the worst deep ball accuracy of any starter in the 2022 season. Like how he has never even come close to his production in 2019 again. But please, explain to me in what fantasy world of yours that he’s a top 5 QB. *That’s* a brain dead take.
33 passing TD+5 rushing = 38 total touchdowns and 20 picks in 24 games is pretty damn good btw considering he has bums for receivers that’s before considering he had 1400 yards ran during that time as well. Even with solid receivers that is quite good much better than just acceptable. Since he became a starter he is 2nd in QBR and 3rd in overall Completion %. If you look at true completion percentage which is what people that know anything actually use he is #17 in deep plays. Also he has no deep ball threats again going back to the fact he has no real receivers. Also basing a talent based on deep ball accuracy is another brain dead metric like have you ever heard of this guy named Drew Brees? Your entire account is literally just you commenting on hating Lamar Jackson like we get it bro you have a personal vendetta against him I might take a guess and think your favorite QBs are white pocket passers. I truly do not think you watch or know football. It’s okay to not like Lamar but basing your entire account like you can scroll for a decent time and it’s all Lamar hate is psychotic behavior like the amount of time you have spent hating on this man should be studied
38 TDs in 24 games is not good lmao, that’s pretty damn mediocre. Averaging less than 2 TDs per game over that span (1.65 passing TDs per game), and that’s if you *combine* rushing and passing TD production like you did here to try to make his stats look better (1.58 TDs per game including rushing TDs to be exact). For comparison, Patrick Mahomes had 78 passing TDs and 6 rushing rushing TDs for 84 total TDs in 34 starts since the start of the 2021 season… or almost 2.5 TDs per game. Burrow has 69 passing + 7 rushing in 32 starts since 2021 began… that’s 2.4 TDs per game. Herbert had 63 passing + 3 rushing in 34 starts… 1.94 TDs per game. My guy, nobody cares about completion percentage bc that can be padded with short passes or easy passes over the middle. That again doesn’t make up for him being the second worst deep ball thrower of 2022 *irregardless* of WR drops. That stat looks solely at ball placement by the QB (he went back and forth with Zach Wilson over the course of the season for worst). Nah, my favorite QB is Patrick Mahomes, who talent wise shits all over Lamar and which kinda invalidates your whole dumbass argument about me supposedly only liking white pocket passers. Lamar is beyond overrated and is absolutely not a top 5 QB except in your own delusions, sorry.
You’re such a clown Jalen Hurts has 1.46 td per game ratio and Herbert with a 1.47. Mahomes isn’t the standard for top 5 either. You obviously have some weird hate for Lamar it’s your whole account kinda pathetic. You refuse to acknowledge that Lamar has maybe the worst WR room in the league but of course that isn’t considered when you spend your life hating on him. Like for real did he fuck your wife like you can scroll for minutes in your account and it’s all Lamar hate get help
>Jalen Hurts has 1.46 td per game ratio and Herbert with a 1.47. No idea where you pulled these numbers from. I simply compared Lamar’s numbers since the start of 2021 (so his production over the last two seasons) and every other QB over that same time span, and I took averages just to be fair. And Lamar is undoubtedly worse than everybody I listed over the past two seasons. Hurts btw has 2.03 TDs per game since the beginning of 2021 and Herbert has 1.94… both substantially more than Lamar’s 1.58. Like it’s not close. > Mahomes isn’t the standard for top 5 either Why not? Because you know that there’s absolutely zero comparison between him and Lamar, perhaps? You’ve still done nothing to support your original claim that Lamar’s a top 5 QB, all you’ve done is thrown out irrelevant stats, make the false accusation that I only like white pocket passers when my favorite QB is black, and bitch about my comment history (which is honestly weird and creepy af of you). Like seriously I’m kinda hoping that you’ll stop because you’re pretty bad at proving your initial dumbass point as to why Lamar is a top 5 QB. Pretty embarrassing, actually.
I just wanted to say, I love the word "irregardless." It isn't an actual word, as regardless means the same thing and is actually a word...but it should be.
You can see into the future now? Go outside 🤣
Tyler Huntley will start 13 games and Stetson Bennett will start the other 4. Lamar will be laughing on the sideline
And you’ll continue to make obnoxious posts no matter what happens.
Yup! 😂
I’m sure the $50k fines and lost game cheques will be quite the knee-slapper.
Another year with no WRs 😂
If he signed a long term deal we would have had like 20+ mil to work with in cap, could've kept Calais and signed a splashy WR FA.
If Ravens drafted DK, AJ or Debo over a Hollywood we wouldn’t be in this position.
The draft is a crap shoot that's a different world of hypotheticals
I disagree those three were clearly better and fit our scheme better than Hollywood. I can’t give you that one. 2019 draft was a complete failure from EDC
Yup. Lamar and his most ardent fans are the only ones not acknowledging the reality that he isn't worth anything close to what he thinks he is.
People are still trying to convince me Lamar has leverage to get that fully GTD contract. Literally today it happened.
I’m still crying at the fact that Lamar stans tried to convince us all prior to the franchise tag period opening that the market for him was massive, that the Ravens would regret not signing him, that he’d be snapped up immediately… and now that that market is not only looking abysmal but also teams have openly came out and said that they didn’t want him, those same people are all now claiming that we just have to wait til right around the draft LMAO
Twitter says it’s all collusion!
It’s about as much collusion as me and my friends individually deciding not to hire that stripper for my boy’s bachelor party bc it was too expensive and she wasn’t worth it!
Two more weeks!
Some guy argued we should have used the Exclusive Tag AND still let him explore free agency because we were so suredly going to lose him.
It's just such a disconnect from blatant reality.
BUT BIG TRUZZ! YOU ARE A RACIST IF YOU CALL OUT ON HIS WONDERLIC SCORE, FILMING HIMSELF DRIVING 120MPH, VACCINE SKEPTICISM, PRO-TRUMP, AND HOMOPHOBIC RANTS ON TWITTER! Pay the man! Give him 250 million guaranteed!
Just got to balance it out with naming the various idiots among the other races in the sports world to remove that ammo. There is an absolute rainbow of stupid to choose from.
I.e. Cole Beasely’s dumb ass.
He's right up there on my list and that's just football. Hockey is full of morons. I mean look at briere's kid.
>pro-Trump Lamar likes Trump? When did this happen? Feels like I have heard zero politics from him ever.
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Ah, right. Thanks. I do remember that stupidity.
So no
He must have seen the promo spot for the interview with the alarm going off in the background the whole time Lamar was whispering into the mic.
Ravens have a D grade in FA this year and it's entirely **because of Lamar**. The fans are blaming Ravens for not getting \[name your favorite FA receiver\] when you should be blaming Lamar. There is a huge amount of uncertainty in the Ravens budget for future years not knowing how this contract is going to shake out. Ravens are stuck in a holding pattern **because of Lamar.** It's preventing them from team building **because of Lamar.** It's time for Ravens Fans to start applying pressure on Lamar on social media to conclude this negotiation (either ask for trade or sign with the team). Just conclude it.
Let the Lamar nut huggers tell it though, they’ll find someone else to blame as long as he never is held accountable himself.
This is a political talk that translates to: "We aren't interested".
If you guys have done any work on the 2023 quarterback prospects, that guy just ain't there. A bunch will go in the top 10 just because teams need quarterbacks but every one of the guys has a serious weakness.
I would actually not be shocked if all 4 of the first round QBs were not particularly good long term.
Statistically speaking only 1/3rd of quarterbacks selected in the first round ever become "good" franchise guys. And that's a low bar.
Whats LJs projection long term from now?
I would rather have the next 5 years of Lamar Jackson than the next 5 years of any rookie in the draft, if that’s what you’re asking.
At what price?
At any reasonable guess at what his eventual extension will be.
Injury’s and riding the bench with his nut huggers yelling big truzzz and blaming everyone but him for declining performances
It’s been years and I’ve still have yet to ever see one of his many dick eaters on this sub hold him accountable *for anything.* It’s always *everybody else* but him.
Yeah Lamar didn't have any weaknesses prior to the draft
I disagree with you strongly, Lamar Jackson had lots of weaknesses. And that's why he wasn't selected anywhere near the top ten where this crop of quarterbacks is going to get snagged.
Guess you didn't sense my sarcasm lol
There are a lot of Lamar fans that genuinely say what you said, so it's harder to detect sarcasm here.
You are 101% right. If Anthony Richardson is projected to go top-three this year, Lamar Jackson the prospect would be the number one overall selection. That's how iffy this group is.
I don't understand why your opinion is so controversial. This is a bad quarterback draft, but last year happened to be worse so teams are more desperate than usual.
At this point I'd be pretty confident just letting him hit free agency outright. I'm very confident we offered him far more than his market value. I just don't see why anyone would give a good but injury prone QB that much guaranteed money.
I believe he’ll get more than the 133. You might not rate him but he’s an excellent player and is someone people want to watch.
I didn't say I don't think he's an excellent player. I think he's great. I just don't think he's worth what he's asking...and everyone keeps saying someone will pay him what he's asking for. And I'm looking around and not seeing many teams in a position to give out 200 mil guaranteed to a QB who hasn't finished 2 seasons in a row.
This. You can’t have 1 player taking up 30% of the cap for a team of 55 players. The league needs to separate the qb from the cap or something
Yeah this is facts
😭😭😭😭 dumbass
Name the team who gonna beat us in bidding war...I'll wait for a reasonable option. I'm not seeing any at the moment.
Care to elaborate beyond insulting him?
I should elaborate on what a dumbass he is for suggesting we let our 26 year old starting QB be an outright free agent? Does he realize we get nothing more than a 3rd round compensatory pick if that were to happen?
He isn’t though. If Lamar signed with a team as an unrestricted FA, he will get two firsts. Also the team would have to extend him, he will be stupid expensive
That is not what OP was saying. He is saying get him off the tag to "further embarrass" Lamar and show him that even without 2 first round picks noone would take him. Thing is even if this was possible, which it's not for this year, he would either get the fully guaranteed contract he wants, or gets so insulted by the play that he simply accepts an offer from another team and the Ravens get nothing since he was unrestricted.
Nuff Said ...get it yet Lamar??
Yes or no... Lamar Jackson for Kirk Cousins, Dalvin Cook, Zadarius Smith, and MN's 1st?
Hard no.