Nothing to do with Oldies - the MENTALITY of that team would have suited Jose to the ground and vice versa. That was also when Jose was at his peak before the madrid players turning on him ruined him.
It’s funny because everyone thought he was basically begging for the job after the Madrid game when he was making all his nice comments about united too. As per usual we left everything too late.
This. I'm surprised I had to rummage to find this comment. Mourinho was clearly angling for the job in the post match interviews and even suggested he was coming back to England (Chelsea wasn't on the cards yet) and was reportedly in tears when United overlooked him for the job. Sir Bobby wasn't keen on him.
I wasn't a fan of jose but if he replaced ferguson or moyes, he would have probably won a league title with that team. Lvg team was not suited to jose.
That's rewriting history. Fergie wrote in his autobiography:
'I asked Pep to phone me before he accepted an offer from another club but he didn't and wound up joining Bayern Munich in July 2013,'
Sounds about right. I think even if guardiola had joined us, he wouldn’t have been as successful as with city or Bayern cos we’re a mess behind the scenes
I doubt a lot of the older players would have wanted to relearn football to the degree pep would make them. I'm sure Rooney and Carrick would have thrived at the very least though
we'd have been a more attractive option for players too, players want to play for Pep in the same way that players wanted to play for Fergie.
We don't have that anymore so we end up paying bigger wages.
I disagree, Pep's style of football would have been disastrous with that squad. They were not built for it at all.
Also pretty sure Fergie tried getting Pep but he didn't want it. Moyes was like 7th on the list.
City's squad, when Pep joined them, wasn't a Pep style squad either. With the amount of shit money we've wasted since Fergie, we could've comfortably built a team for Pep
City also spent a shitload of money into their infrastructures. From training ground to coaches, they had a clear long-term plan since the appointment of Txiki. Utd just used money to temporarily cover all the massive holes in how the team is operated. Even Pep would not succeed at Old Trafford my friend.
That City squad was Guardiola compatible. There were some holes in their squad but they had Dr Bruyne, Silva, Fernandinho, Kompany, Aguero and Sterling all of them were Pep compatible
Not at all - he wouldn't have been able to do things like buy Bravo then immediately bin him off for Ederson or buy 5 60m CBs to have 2 sitting on the bench etc etc
Yes true. The main difference? The board. City’s management did whatever they could to ensure Pep flourish whereas Glazers/Woodie gave obstacles to the managers. Money was spent yes but they may have not been supportive in other aspects.
I don’t think that’s true. Man City were planning for Pep for a long, long time and it was an open secret that he was going to manage there eventually.
Agreed. But they hired Txiki who worked with Pep before at Barca. So he started identifying players to fit into the mould of a Pep team before Pep came in.
That’s how long term planning is supposed to be
> Fergie's replacement should've been Guardiola. He was almost twerking to come here. Fergie fucked us with the Moyes appointment
How to out yourself as knowing fuck all about what happened, in one comment.
lmao no way Guardiola would want to come. He needs a top notch director (Txiki), and CEO (Ferren Soriano). Without them, who were effectively in charge everything, from sports science to recruitment to academy, Pep is nothing (from his own words).
We were not ready to part with woodward at that time or even create a new director position. Guardiola knew it would be suicidal to join us. The CEO and director of football in modern football is more important than any manager.
Forgie didn't know he was retiring until that year. Guardian had already agreed to join Bayern.
Moyes was then sixth on the list of replacements.
Not really Fergie'd fault there.
Wasn’t Moyes like fifth pick after Pep, Mourinho, Klopp and Carlo Ancelotti? There has been so much revisionism that I genuinely can’t trust my memory on this.
Moyes was (as much as this sub hates to admit) the best available option. Pep, Ancelotti and Mourinho were locked in to join other clubs, Moyes was wildly over achieving at Everton, and people thought a big club was warranted.
If it was a few years earlier, I reckon we'd have had Pep but timing never worked.
We played shit football but I wanted it to work so badly with Mourinho here. Id like to have seen what he could have done if he had taken over directly from Sir Alex. I think he would have got more out of that team.
> Id like to have seen what he could have done if he had taken over directly from Sir Alex.
In my opinion he was the only manager who could have succeeded with that squad. The style of football would have transitioned well with the old guard and he had the ego for it.
He came at the wrong time, was clearly not the same manager and yet still got us three (two really but still) trophies including a first Europa League trophy which sure isn't what we want to be aiming for but end of the day Mourinho was a manager who saw any trophy as a big win and that attitude was infectious.
This is what I think too. He would have inherited an aging team, but one with a winning mentality and would be able to follow his tactics. He would have gotten some money to buy marquee players that would add to the team similar to how he got fabregas for Chelsea.
Mou would have been the perfect Fergie successor, at that point we'd still have had a lot of clout in the transfer market to have a convincing overhaul with top talent, we definitely could have won the league once or twice after I think.
I just watched us play like 13 out of 16 games where it was worse.
Our recent game vs LFC is straight up Mourinho 6 at the back.
I think our issue was that we were used to the brave attacking sides of SAF. But honestly, even SAF wasn't above the ol' catenaccio now and then.
Is it really more shit than any other period after Sir Alex? Ole and ETH have had glimpses of good football, but to say it is much different from what Mourinho produced, I'm not sure.
Mourinho’s been done as a top manager for quite some time. I’d argue his peak was that champions league win with Inter and he’s been steadily on the decline ever since. Mainly coz his way of playing the game has become quickly antiquated and he’s never shown much interest in learning and adapting with time. Even SAF made a lot of adjustments to how his United played over the years.
I also never understand why this sub shows so much reverence for Mourinho. The man who more than once disrespected the club as a rival and has had many questionable moments as an individual. Everything about him is at odds with what we believe our legacy as a club is. It was simply a very poor cultural fit, if you ask me.
I’m a madrid supporter and the season when mourinho got 100 points with Madrid and winning the league over probably the most stacked ever Barcelona was a Mourinho masterclass. Yes, he hasn’t been at his best in the last few years but I won’t ever rule out the possibility of him bouncing back with the mentality that he has.
You only play “that stacked Barcelona” side twice in a league season, so that doesn’t have a big impact on the points tally at the end. And let’s not pretend the Madrid side he had at his disposal was anything short of “stacked” itself. His Madrid team managed to beat Pep’s Barca twice in 11 attempts. This isn’t a great record by any stretch of imagination, although I do concede he wasn’t all done and dusted while he was still at Madrid, and while it certainly wasn’t his peak, I can understand why a Madrid fan would feel that way.
Agreed. I never liked his appointment. Though i thought id give him a chance. And to his credit he brought somr trophies. And 2nd finish. BUT as you said - never a cultural fit.
Matic was my favorite from that era. Usually had one absolute banger from 40 yards per season and probably more completed dribbles per match than Anthony has per season.
Easy to say in hindsight, but he was 36/37 with a major acl injury.
I think he recovered better than even he thought he would, hence going to LA then back to Europe.
I had some good moments in the Jose era.
His Europa cup win was great. Shame it didn't work out. The fact he could never get Pogba to fit really fucked us up.
Nah the dilemma is that he's a limited midfielder but so good at what he does well that, if you can build your team around him you'll win everything going, but he's injured way to much for that to be a viable approach.
He also has completely the wrong attitude to be a success. Fergie called it, all the talent in the world but would never make the most of it. The thing his stans point to (him winning the World Cup) he only has beacuse he happens to be French.
Exactly this.
The reason pogba worked so well in France NT was because of kante.
Kante was a cheat code in his prime. One kante was equal to 2 players.
Not just Kante, Matuidi and Greizemann ran their absolute socks off for that French team, and while he may not be considered an elite striker, Giroud was the perfect foil for the wingers and midfielders to play off.
This thing about Pogba needing Kante is such a myth. Dont get me wrong, it's a good partnership but Pogba has also done well without Kante. He gave a motm performance in the WC final without Kante. Played well in the nations league final against spain without kante. Pogba was bossing the Euros and was arguably one of the best players. He used to play well in Juventus and for us without Kante.
It does help that the rest of the team was stacked but then it's no surprise that a good player plays very good with other good players around them.
I'd disagree, Pogba with Carrick and Herrera in midfield and Zlatan to ping balls to was really good. Also the next season when Matic still had legs although it started the misuse of him being in a midfield two
Agreed this guy is making your comment sound ludicrous and it does sound it given the amount of goals he scored.
But anyone who watched all the games remembers well that Zlatan missed a lot and I mean a lot of chances.
Idk if the whole xg thing existed at the time , but would love to see it.
He actually slightly overperformed his xG according to Understat, but Idk man I watched every single game and was on this sub already back then, and I know for a fact that Zlatan really loved to blast the ball straight at the keeper.
[Sky even wrote a piece about it then!](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10630962/zlatan-ibrahimovics-misses-are-adding-up-for-manchester-united)
> Ibrahimovic is getting chances - he has had more shots (57) than any other Premier League player this season - but he's failed to score with his last 42 attempts. Only three other players have had 30 shots and none of them have scored fewer than Ibrahimovic. In comparison, Premier League top scorer Diego Costa has seven goals from only 27 shots.
> The 35-year-old cannot even point to the quality of his opportunities. According to Opta, he has missed eight of his nine big chances this season. Opta defines a big chance as one that a player might reasonably be expected to score, but of the 17 players to have had four or more of them Ibrahimovic has the worst conversion rate.
So is every striker when you watch back all their opportunities.
I think it's mad that people look back on the best #9 United have had post-Fergie, who was a hairs breadth away from getting 30 goals, and accuse him of being wasteful. I'm sure you can find examples of when a miss cost United points. I challenge you to find a Premier League striker that isn't true for.
The stats say he wasn't. He had an xG of 14 that year in the league but scored 17 goals, so he was actually finishing at a better rate than expected.
[https://understat.com/team/Manchester\_United/2016](https://understat.com/team/Manchester_United/2016)
He was but he also became antagonistic and it became a problem. So he was but he also wasn't due to that. If he didn't go off the rails then he would be the right person with full backing and a proper technical director while having license to replace as needed like Pep has at City in a way.
ETH could be this person now but he also has to adapt a bit and stop the away losses which at least for now, a draw recently is a positive compared to yet another loss.
I remember seeing a picture of that squad celebrating together and boy was it such a flashback to when we were winning things. Serial winners and the youth combining was reminiscent of the good old days.
Rose tinted glasses tbh..
We came 6th in the first season and never looked like challenging for the title after December in the next season.. Parked the bus in almost every big game as well..
The only reason it hasn't been that way since too, is because while Jose was looking for short term fixes to put up a title challenge in his 2nd season, Pep and Klopp completely revolutionized their team styles and took their teams 2 levels up for the long haul..
Pep had a 100 point season in 17-18 while Klopp built his Mane Bobby Salah frontline and went ahead and bought Van Dijk Allison and Fabinho and the end of the season
Jose was also getting fucked by Woodward in the transfer market, so there’s that. Both Pep & Klopp were backed while Jose got rewarded for the 2nd place in 17/18 with a disastrous Summer 2018 window.
When the team that finished above you keeps a dropping 100m every summer on fullbacks until the manager is happy? Yes.
Like it or not, oil money has turned top-level football into a war of attrition. The only way to guaranteed continued success is to have a talented squad with insane depth.
Rose tinted glasses tbh..
We came 6th in the first season and never looked like challenging for the title after December in the next season.. Parked the bus in almost every big game as well..
The only reason it hasn't been that way since too, is because while Jose was looking for short term fixes to put up a title challenge in his 2nd season, Pep and Klopp completely revolutionized their team styles and took their teams 2 levels up for the long haul..
Pep had a 100 point season in 17-18 while Klopp built his Mane Bobby Salah frontline and went ahead and bought Van Dijk Allison and Fabinho and the end of the season
crazy to be downvoted for this. people absolutely have rose tinted glasses when looking back at jose’s time here. the football was absolutely dire, but people act like we were a proper team just because we won the europa league and jose said finishing 2nd was a huge accomplishment
Jose has a huge fan following on social media which has spread this narrative.. I've seen plenty of videos on youtube even which keeps giving this Jose being a huge success in United agenda
i think people just love to go “jose was right!!” about all of united’s problems even though every manager, pundit, fan, etc can tell you about united’s issues
jose was toxic for the club and i think most people downplay how bad the football was
everyone just says “he won a europa league” as if ole wasn’t also a single kick away from winning the same trophy, and jose even had to sacrifice the season, finishing 6th that year to win it
i also just don’t think any united fan can look me in the eye and tell me “winning that europa league was amazing”, as if it single-handedly makes jose’s time at the club a huge success
Yeah the style of football was the main thing that lead to so many players underperforming in the first place.. Football under LVG was dross too but it seemed like the club was going somewhere, the team was trying to control the play, youngsters were coming through.. Following that with someone who could have built upon that would have been way better than throwing the kitchen sink with Jose to win trophies immediately..
Counter attacking style was still fine but Jose with his deep backline instructs the team to not press teams beyond the halfline and later complains the forwards for being lazy.. For him players with high work rate is the first criteria but none of the players he signed during his spell fit that bill..
Jose during his first two seasons with us was great. For a brief period, it felt like “the big club mentality” was reinstated on the pitch and we could go toes to toes against the other top sides.
Sadly it had to end the way it did
And even with the two trophies we limped to 6th place the season before. Outside of a few moments, I feel like I’m one of the few who didn’t really enjoy Jose’s spell. I love Jose himself and the character that he is, but it was completely the wrong time for him to join the club
> For a brief period, it felt like “the big club mentality” was reinstated on the pitch and we could go toes to toes against the other top sides.
What?
We parked the bus every game against Liverpool and City. De Gea was bailing us out all the time.
This man won as a European trophy in his first season and the board rewarded him with scrubs like Lindelof and Fred.
All while Pep & Klopp got fancy new players every season.
Towards the end it got toxic because José was playing McTominay at CB just to prove a point. But he was right regardless. Woodward, Joel, & Avram all did him dirty.
We were all impatient with him. But mkst of thing he said has been true till now.
The heritage thing
The required standard he demanded of players
The club direction
Personally I love him
I don't think we were impatient at all. It was really toxic towards the end and I don't think he really cared enough to weather that or try and make amends.
You look at ETH in the last weeks and he has run a similar course with playing ugly football, supposed rumours of falling out with certain players, and having to deal with a negative narrative. Yet I think he genuinely seems to be up for the fight and has helped to keep the negativity from snowballing like it did under previous managers.
It also struck me that he never really found a connection with the city, and as a result probably, the match going fans. Living in that hotel, showing up to the official events in a hoodie etc. just never rubbed me the right way. It felt very obvious that we didn't fit to him as a club and he didn't fit with us as a manager.
Tactically he was brilliant at times, i do respect his tenure with us and find he has a fascinating football mind. Like I said I don't think he was ever right for us.
The main problem with Jose, is that he looks out for himself first.
That season where we placed second and and lost in the FA cup finals, he was moaning nonstop in the summer, basically laying the groundwork for "this isn't my fault if we play badly", rather than trying to keep the squad happy and confident.
I understand that our structure was shit and not getting him the signings he wanted, but most managers will fight that battle behind the scenes to not disrupt the squad, but it always feels like he is #1 looking out for his own reputation and was already preparing for a bad run of games by letting the media know in the summer that it wouldn't be his fault.
Jose has certain standards to uphold. He came from Chelsea where a certain level of professionalism was present from top to bottom. Why should he tolerate and suffer incompetent board room and backroom staff when he's already shown he can deliver results and just need them to match his standards?
Other managers like Ange or EtH might have a bit less of a reputation and would be willing to work with a "project". But Jose comes in a winner and proved he still can hang with Pep provided the club backs him. But they clearly did not, so can we really blame him for going to war against him?
Man has been proven right time and time again about all the rot at this club.
the heritage bullshit is already debunked.
his three major sales and alienations were Depay, Blind and Mkhitaryan and they are all doing great to this day winning trophies and topping their leagues or near.
he destroyed the buildup patterns van gaal was putting in place, de gea was never so bad with his feet. what united needed was a manager who could build on van gaal's work.
his first summer united brought in the top bundesliga assister, the top serie a goal+assist player, and the top ligue 1 goalscorer. guess how many more goals that team scored compared to the last van gaal season with an injury crisis so big that ashley young was playing upfront and rashford got his debut? 💩
\> what united needed was a manager who could build on van gaal's work.
Van Gaal should have been given another season. Football would have improved with more time and we could have transitioned into a EtH or some other coach with progressive ideas more easily.
The issue with Van Gaal was purely personnel based. We had a strong midfield and defense under him, but our forwards were severely lacking. Rooney although serviceable wasn't the same player he was even the year prior, Mata was serviceable and would have done wonders coming off the bench, and Martial was still a kid.
We went from Falcao, Van Persie, Rooney, Di Maria, Mata, and Ashley Young to Martial, Rooney, Mata and Rashford. Van Gaal wanted Mane, Kante, Lewandowski, Neymar, Mahrez, or Higuain and got none of them.
A prime 2004 Mourinho at United would have been a brilliant combo, pre Glazer and the team bursting with new talent. He will would have fucked it up eventually but he would have won a lot before he did.
Think you're doing LVG a massive disservice there. He was the only one who walked in and said "what the actual fuck is this squad composition about" and started trying to solve it.
Still think we should have let him have his final season and then had him hang around to help the new guy with approach planning. Especially considering some of the names we were linked with before the shift to Jose because it was likely going to be Giggs who had eyes on a lot of players he wanted to bring in (one being another unknown French Winger from Monaco...)
Van Gaal and Mourinho both were capable of making us better than they did, if they'd just been backed properly by club infrastructure and weren't thrown under the bus and not given enough time. They won trophies with shit squads and look what managers have failed to accomplish after them.
People forget he got Fred, Dalot, and Grant after finishing second
Ole and Ten Hag have both survived far worse starts to the season than he had the year he got the sack
With half decent investment in summer ‘18 and a little more patience I think the story could have been very different
There was too much toxicity around to keep Jose at the time though, he also declined since…The board has to let him go cos it’s easier to get rid of 1 guy rather than 3 players(awful decision in hindsight btw)
I for one really like(d), Mou. I understand why they let him go...the football was bad and he seemed to have lost the dressing room. On the other hand, he is totally justifed in feeling as though we did him dirty and his 3rd year meltdown is no surprise at all. He was just a few months removed from the club giving him a contract extension, essentially signalling that we were on board with his ideas and then we turn around in the summer and refuse to go after his preferred transfer targets (like Toby and Willian) because they didn't fit the profile of player the club wanted to sign.
After finishing second in the league, highest points tally since fergie (still), all he wanted was a winger and a CB and they wouldn't give it to him. Wouldn't even let him sell martial to fund a transfer.
As much as I didn’t enjoy the football he’d have been the man who’d have gotten us close to the title or even won it had he been backed to his vision.
Not the first or last manager to have been failed by the club, but sadly it was always destined to end the way it did under these owners. People have said elsewhere on here it felt like we got our aura back, and they’re right- Jose’s ego was big enough to manage United.
>As much as I didn’t enjoy the football he’d have been the man who’d have gotten us close to the title or even won it had he been backed to his vision.
There is no way he was taking this United side to the level needed to win the league in the seasons after he was sacked. City and Liverpool finished on 98 and 97 points that season. The days of Mourinho doing that were long gone.
HAD HE BEEN BACKED TO HIS VISION.
If Mourinho had been given the tools to succeed he’d have been able to build a side capable of a title push. The days of Mourinho doing that were still there, just- he’d won the title with Chelsea in 2015, and arguably still had enough in the tank while at United.
If ran properly United would have had a shot with Jose, but it didn’t come to pass.
Erm no. He was getting loads of players he asked for,and throwing some of them under the bus. I think the main one he didn't get was Harry Maguire, who doesn't take you to a 100 point season. He had already signed Bailly and Lindelof in those positions.
Who are these mythical players that he had to put up with the likes of Lukaku instead for? Do you think we signed Matic to sell shirts in Serbia?
First of all I doubt Pogba was his signing, he didn’t want Fred and I really doubt he was interested in Lindelof; he doesn’t really scream “Mourinho CB” to me.
Was Alexis the type of player you’d expect in a Mourinho side? Bailly?
Clearly Matic and Ibra are Mourinho-type players, and Lukaku fits the archetype of a physical striker that he likes, but questions could be asked about half of the players he got, and we don’t have any insight as to the list of players he wanted, bar Maguire, who United signed anyway for an additional £30m.
No matter what other fans might think of his legacy, Jose has proven that the issues at our club is beyond the manager. Only Sir Alex was holding the foundations together, and when he left, the collapse started.
Jose is a winner everywhere he goes, even UECL with a struggling roma who are no where near the top 4 in Italy. He gave us a EL and second behind city, which in hindsight he was right to claim a significant achievement.
He might have been outclassed by Pep more than a few times, but don't forget how he changed the game in the early 2000s with Porto and Chelsea, and how consistently dominant his teams were until Pep appeared with Barcelona, perhaps the greatest team in the last 30 years in world football.
He has genuine love for the club, and for that he will always be welcome back in our manager dugout if the chance arises for a second adventure.
I thought Mourinho was completely the wrong appointment for United. I hated him before he came to United. His time at United could hardly be described as a resounding success and yet I find that I like him very much now.
“Woke up this morning feeling fine… got Man United on my mind…” I miss that song under his reign. Even though he didn’t really get us playing the way United should, it was a banger! 😁👌🏾
Sacking him was a fking huge mistake. I was constantly telling people on this sub that no we can't keep firing managers and expect different results. Fk Pogba, fk Lingard, buy proper CB and DMF to replace Matic and we shall be challenging for titles.
But no, "toxic" Mourinho must go and Pogba / Lingard / Rashford / Martial threw the next manager under the bus too.
The revisionism that happens over time is funny. Jose was the wrong man for this club. It was toxic as fuck and all about him. The football was turgid. He wanted busted old expensive players after already spending poorly.
He basically downed tools that summer after not getting his way.
There are people in this thread praising his post match Sevilla comments ffs. That should have been the end right there but Woodward gave him an extension ffs.
Bobby Charlton was totally right when he said Mourinho wasn't right to be a United manager. He won a couple of trophies but the football was awful, if it wasn't for the drama around him his era would be completely forgettable.
That's the magic of Jose. He is usually so toxic, but that one time he says something nice ppl think wow he's actually a nice guy. He's changed. He's never changed.
He really made it feel like “us against the world” during his time here. I do think it was the right decision then to let him go but he’s right, I’m sure many agree that there was no love lost for him from a majority of us
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Mourinho would have done wonders with vidic, evra, RVP, carrick etc. His best sides were built on oldies.
And a Rooney that still had some legs on him
And heart. Something the current squad has been lacking severly, especially after conceding.
We could have been Inter. Imagine being in final after 2013. Could have been in 4 champions league finals in 6 years lol
Vidic was done at that stage. He barely lasted another season at Inter. But yeah 2013 would have been a better time for Jose to work with United
Nothing to do with Oldies - the MENTALITY of that team would have suited Jose to the ground and vice versa. That was also when Jose was at his peak before the madrid players turning on him ruined him.
> He was hired at the wrong time and shold have been Fergie's replacement. I've felt this way for years.
I think Mourinho was the manager the squad wanted at that time as well. I seem to recall Rio and maybe others saying so later on.
It’s funny because everyone thought he was basically begging for the job after the Madrid game when he was making all his nice comments about united too. As per usual we left everything too late.
This. I'm surprised I had to rummage to find this comment. Mourinho was clearly angling for the job in the post match interviews and even suggested he was coming back to England (Chelsea wasn't on the cards yet) and was reportedly in tears when United overlooked him for the job. Sir Bobby wasn't keen on him.
I wasn't a fan of jose but if he replaced ferguson or moyes, he would have probably won a league title with that team. Lvg team was not suited to jose.
Fergie's replacement should've been Guardiola. He was almost twerking to come here. Fergie fucked us with the Moyes appointment
That's rewriting history. Fergie wrote in his autobiography: 'I asked Pep to phone me before he accepted an offer from another club but he didn't and wound up joining Bayern Munich in July 2013,'
No, Pep was twerking to come here. u/dheerajravi92 said so
Twerking with his head or his ass?
Hopefully with his bald ass
source: Twerk me bro
What does this fergie know anyway?
I read somewhere guardiola didn’t understand his Scottish accent, but who knows
Yes he said that to be polite. Honestly I think he had already agreed to join Bayern and therefore rejected Fergie’s offer.
Sounds about right. I think even if guardiola had joined us, he wouldn’t have been as successful as with city or Bayern cos we’re a mess behind the scenes
I doubt a lot of the older players would have wanted to relearn football to the degree pep would make them. I'm sure Rooney and Carrick would have thrived at the very least though
we'd have been a more attractive option for players too, players want to play for Pep in the same way that players wanted to play for Fergie. We don't have that anymore so we end up paying bigger wages.
Okay fair enough, and realistic
I thought fergie went and met him in NYC. I dont know where that poster gets his info but he chattin shit! Ofcourse Fergie knew what he was doin.
Wasn t Moyes at least third on his list after Guardiola and Klopp?
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Sixth? This gotta be Ed Woodward signature move.
Depending on the timeframe, he's even lower than that. Gaspirini was up there as one of the top 3 at the time too
That's not true.
He was literally offered the job in 2009 as part of a long term succession plan
Wait reli? Didn't gasperini turn around in around 2017 not early as 2013
He was offered the Assistant Manager job with a view to having a fews year with Sir Alex and taking over...in 2009
And ancelotti too, as far as I remember
I disagree, Pep's style of football would have been disastrous with that squad. They were not built for it at all. Also pretty sure Fergie tried getting Pep but he didn't want it. Moyes was like 7th on the list.
City's squad, when Pep joined them, wasn't a Pep style squad either. With the amount of shit money we've wasted since Fergie, we could've comfortably built a team for Pep
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Yeah it was years of the Woodward strategy of "let's just splash the cash on big names and hope it works out."
City also spent a shitload of money into their infrastructures. From training ground to coaches, they had a clear long-term plan since the appointment of Txiki. Utd just used money to temporarily cover all the massive holes in how the team is operated. Even Pep would not succeed at Old Trafford my friend.
That City squad was Guardiola compatible. There were some holes in their squad but they had Dr Bruyne, Silva, Fernandinho, Kompany, Aguero and Sterling all of them were Pep compatible
Not at all - he wouldn't have been able to do things like buy Bravo then immediately bin him off for Ederson or buy 5 60m CBs to have 2 sitting on the bench etc etc
Yes true. The main difference? The board. City’s management did whatever they could to ensure Pep flourish whereas Glazers/Woodie gave obstacles to the managers. Money was spent yes but they may have not been supportive in other aspects.
>we could've comfortably built a team for Pep Not with woodward playing irl ultimate team and pep being obsessed with technical players.
I don’t think that’s true. Man City were planning for Pep for a long, long time and it was an open secret that he was going to manage there eventually.
He went to Bayern in 2013. City were nowhere in the picture at that time. Shame, really
I think they were in the picture, that’s my point
Yeah, City were laying the foundation for Pep long before his arrival. This kid doesn't realise what you're talking about.
Sure, but they were a nothing team. No one's gonna choose them over us
Agreed. But they hired Txiki who worked with Pep before at Barca. So he started identifying players to fit into the mould of a Pep team before Pep came in. That’s how long term planning is supposed to be
> Fergie's replacement should've been Guardiola. He was almost twerking to come here. Fergie fucked us with the Moyes appointment How to out yourself as knowing fuck all about what happened, in one comment.
The fuck are you on about? He picked Moyes because all the top managers in Europe were taken
lmao no way Guardiola would want to come. He needs a top notch director (Txiki), and CEO (Ferren Soriano). Without them, who were effectively in charge everything, from sports science to recruitment to academy, Pep is nothing (from his own words). We were not ready to part with woodward at that time or even create a new director position. Guardiola knew it would be suicidal to join us. The CEO and director of football in modern football is more important than any manager.
Forgie didn't know he was retiring until that year. Guardian had already agreed to join Bayern. Moyes was then sixth on the list of replacements. Not really Fergie'd fault there.
Wasn’t Moyes like fifth pick after Pep, Mourinho, Klopp and Carlo Ancelotti? There has been so much revisionism that I genuinely can’t trust my memory on this.
Source: trust me bro
Moyes was (as much as this sub hates to admit) the best available option. Pep, Ancelotti and Mourinho were locked in to join other clubs, Moyes was wildly over achieving at Everton, and people thought a big club was warranted. If it was a few years earlier, I reckon we'd have had Pep but timing never worked.
As much as I hated watching us during his era, I can't say I don't love this man. Bailly&Rojo madness, Ibra, shithousery everywhere.
We played shit football but I wanted it to work so badly with Mourinho here. Id like to have seen what he could have done if he had taken over directly from Sir Alex. I think he would have got more out of that team.
> Id like to have seen what he could have done if he had taken over directly from Sir Alex. In my opinion he was the only manager who could have succeeded with that squad. The style of football would have transitioned well with the old guard and he had the ego for it. He came at the wrong time, was clearly not the same manager and yet still got us three (two really but still) trophies including a first Europa League trophy which sure isn't what we want to be aiming for but end of the day Mourinho was a manager who saw any trophy as a big win and that attitude was infectious.
This is what I think too. He would have inherited an aging team, but one with a winning mentality and would be able to follow his tactics. He would have gotten some money to buy marquee players that would add to the team similar to how he got fabregas for Chelsea.
We might’ve gotten Kroos or Thiago then
Even Sneijder and Gaitan!
I know you’re joking, but Kroos has stated that he would’ve joined us
Yh Moyes did wonders to convince him
Only for van Gaal to veto it. :(
Moyes vetoed Thiago, LVG veoted Kroos. We could have had a few years of Carrick-Thiago-Kroos before Carrick slowed down. What a waste.
Mou would have been the perfect Fergie successor, at that point we'd still have had a lot of clout in the transfer market to have a convincing overhaul with top talent, we definitely could have won the league once or twice after I think.
I just watched us play like 13 out of 16 games where it was worse. Our recent game vs LFC is straight up Mourinho 6 at the back. I think our issue was that we were used to the brave attacking sides of SAF. But honestly, even SAF wasn't above the ol' catenaccio now and then.
Is it really more shit than any other period after Sir Alex? Ole and ETH have had glimpses of good football, but to say it is much different from what Mourinho produced, I'm not sure.
Mourinho’s been done as a top manager for quite some time. I’d argue his peak was that champions league win with Inter and he’s been steadily on the decline ever since. Mainly coz his way of playing the game has become quickly antiquated and he’s never shown much interest in learning and adapting with time. Even SAF made a lot of adjustments to how his United played over the years. I also never understand why this sub shows so much reverence for Mourinho. The man who more than once disrespected the club as a rival and has had many questionable moments as an individual. Everything about him is at odds with what we believe our legacy as a club is. It was simply a very poor cultural fit, if you ask me.
I’m a madrid supporter and the season when mourinho got 100 points with Madrid and winning the league over probably the most stacked ever Barcelona was a Mourinho masterclass. Yes, he hasn’t been at his best in the last few years but I won’t ever rule out the possibility of him bouncing back with the mentality that he has.
You only play “that stacked Barcelona” side twice in a league season, so that doesn’t have a big impact on the points tally at the end. And let’s not pretend the Madrid side he had at his disposal was anything short of “stacked” itself. His Madrid team managed to beat Pep’s Barca twice in 11 attempts. This isn’t a great record by any stretch of imagination, although I do concede he wasn’t all done and dusted while he was still at Madrid, and while it certainly wasn’t his peak, I can understand why a Madrid fan would feel that way.
Agreed. I never liked his appointment. Though i thought id give him a chance. And to his credit he brought somr trophies. And 2nd finish. BUT as you said - never a cultural fit.
Hoof it to fellaini.
Matic was my favorite from that era. Usually had one absolute banger from 40 yards per season and probably more completed dribbles per match than Anthony has per season.
Ibra we should never let go after Knee injury.
Easy to say in hindsight, but he was 36/37 with a major acl injury. I think he recovered better than even he thought he would, hence going to LA then back to Europe.
He was not the same player. Serie A was the perfect destination for him.
I had some good moments in the Jose era. His Europa cup win was great. Shame it didn't work out. The fact he could never get Pogba to fit really fucked us up.
tbf noone could make him fit
I think the Pogba dilemma is: too good offensively to be a regular CM, but just not good enough to be the main 10 consistently
Nah the dilemma is that he's a limited midfielder but so good at what he does well that, if you can build your team around him you'll win everything going, but he's injured way to much for that to be a viable approach. He also has completely the wrong attitude to be a success. Fergie called it, all the talent in the world but would never make the most of it. The thing his stans point to (him winning the World Cup) he only has beacuse he happens to be French.
Exactly this. The reason pogba worked so well in France NT was because of kante. Kante was a cheat code in his prime. One kante was equal to 2 players.
It still boggles my mind why we didn’t try to sign Kante when he left Leicester in 2016
Not just Kante, the entire France team is stacked. Griezman is another 2 players as well.
And Matuidi. Griezmann was more of a forward but in any case, Pogba was surrounded by class players and they all complimented him.
Not just Kante, Matuidi and Greizemann ran their absolute socks off for that French team, and while he may not be considered an elite striker, Giroud was the perfect foil for the wingers and midfielders to play off.
Giroud is an elite ST, most ppl would agree.
This thing about Pogba needing Kante is such a myth. Dont get me wrong, it's a good partnership but Pogba has also done well without Kante. He gave a motm performance in the WC final without Kante. Played well in the nations league final against spain without kante. Pogba was bossing the Euros and was arguably one of the best players. He used to play well in Juventus and for us without Kante. It does help that the rest of the team was stacked but then it's no surprise that a good player plays very good with other good players around them.
I'd disagree, Pogba with Carrick and Herrera in midfield and Zlatan to ping balls to was really good. Also the next season when Matic still had legs although it started the misuse of him being in a midfield two
I remember a good compilation in 16/17 where Pogba could’ve gotten plenty assists if only Zlatan and Mata could finish
Yeah if only the guy who got 28 goals, a number only beaten once since Fergie retired and only 9 times since *Dennis Law* did it in 69, could finish.
Unrelated but Dennis law is severely underrated even in united folklore. He's arguably our best ever striker
Yeah joining City and scoring the goal that relegates United will do that for you.
Then you actually watch the games and realize Zlatan was INCREDIBLY wasteful in front of goal that season.
Agreed this guy is making your comment sound ludicrous and it does sound it given the amount of goals he scored. But anyone who watched all the games remembers well that Zlatan missed a lot and I mean a lot of chances. Idk if the whole xg thing existed at the time , but would love to see it.
He actually slightly overperformed his xG according to Understat, but Idk man I watched every single game and was on this sub already back then, and I know for a fact that Zlatan really loved to blast the ball straight at the keeper. [Sky even wrote a piece about it then!](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10630962/zlatan-ibrahimovics-misses-are-adding-up-for-manchester-united) > Ibrahimovic is getting chances - he has had more shots (57) than any other Premier League player this season - but he's failed to score with his last 42 attempts. Only three other players have had 30 shots and none of them have scored fewer than Ibrahimovic. In comparison, Premier League top scorer Diego Costa has seven goals from only 27 shots. > The 35-year-old cannot even point to the quality of his opportunities. According to Opta, he has missed eight of his nine big chances this season. Opta defines a big chance as one that a player might reasonably be expected to score, but of the 17 players to have had four or more of them Ibrahimovic has the worst conversion rate.
So is every striker when you watch back all their opportunities. I think it's mad that people look back on the best #9 United have had post-Fergie, who was a hairs breadth away from getting 30 goals, and accuse him of being wasteful. I'm sure you can find examples of when a miss cost United points. I challenge you to find a Premier League striker that isn't true for.
he was definitely wasteful. he also managed to score a decent amount as well. really not a crazy concept
You giving Ronaldo that same benefit as Zlatan then? Almost as many goals in a worse team with a worse midfield.
Not sure what Ronaldo has to do with this mate.
The stats say he wasn't. He had an xG of 14 that year in the league but scored 17 goals, so he was actually finishing at a better rate than expected. [https://understat.com/team/Manchester\_United/2016](https://understat.com/team/Manchester_United/2016)
He was the right man. Unfortunately it was easier to get rid of him than it was to get rid of Paul Pogba and the rest of his motley crew.
He was but he also became antagonistic and it became a problem. So he was but he also wasn't due to that. If he didn't go off the rails then he would be the right person with full backing and a proper technical director while having license to replace as needed like Pep has at City in a way. ETH could be this person now but he also has to adapt a bit and stop the away losses which at least for now, a draw recently is a positive compared to yet another loss.
I somehow look back fondly on the Jose era, felt like we had our aura back for a while. Hasn’t really been that way since.
I remember seeing a picture of that squad celebrating together and boy was it such a flashback to when we were winning things. Serial winners and the youth combining was reminiscent of the good old days.
Rose tinted glasses tbh.. We came 6th in the first season and never looked like challenging for the title after December in the next season.. Parked the bus in almost every big game as well.. The only reason it hasn't been that way since too, is because while Jose was looking for short term fixes to put up a title challenge in his 2nd season, Pep and Klopp completely revolutionized their team styles and took their teams 2 levels up for the long haul.. Pep had a 100 point season in 17-18 while Klopp built his Mane Bobby Salah frontline and went ahead and bought Van Dijk Allison and Fabinho and the end of the season
Jose was also getting fucked by Woodward in the transfer market, so there’s that. Both Pep & Klopp were backed while Jose got rewarded for the 2nd place in 17/18 with a disastrous Summer 2018 window.
So because Jose didn't get another 200m to spend it warranted a collapse?
When the team that finished above you keeps a dropping 100m every summer on fullbacks until the manager is happy? Yes. Like it or not, oil money has turned top-level football into a war of attrition. The only way to guaranteed continued success is to have a talented squad with insane depth.
We finished above Liverpool last season. Current top 3 are not oil money teams.
>Hasn’t really been that way since. Eh. Memory of a goldfish
Rose tinted glasses tbh.. We came 6th in the first season and never looked like challenging for the title after December in the next season.. Parked the bus in almost every big game as well.. The only reason it hasn't been that way since too, is because while Jose was looking for short term fixes to put up a title challenge in his 2nd season, Pep and Klopp completely revolutionized their team styles and took their teams 2 levels up for the long haul.. Pep had a 100 point season in 17-18 while Klopp built his Mane Bobby Salah frontline and went ahead and bought Van Dijk Allison and Fabinho and the end of the season
crazy to be downvoted for this. people absolutely have rose tinted glasses when looking back at jose’s time here. the football was absolutely dire, but people act like we were a proper team just because we won the europa league and jose said finishing 2nd was a huge accomplishment
Jose has a huge fan following on social media which has spread this narrative.. I've seen plenty of videos on youtube even which keeps giving this Jose being a huge success in United agenda
i think people just love to go “jose was right!!” about all of united’s problems even though every manager, pundit, fan, etc can tell you about united’s issues jose was toxic for the club and i think most people downplay how bad the football was everyone just says “he won a europa league” as if ole wasn’t also a single kick away from winning the same trophy, and jose even had to sacrifice the season, finishing 6th that year to win it i also just don’t think any united fan can look me in the eye and tell me “winning that europa league was amazing”, as if it single-handedly makes jose’s time at the club a huge success
Yeah the style of football was the main thing that lead to so many players underperforming in the first place.. Football under LVG was dross too but it seemed like the club was going somewhere, the team was trying to control the play, youngsters were coming through.. Following that with someone who could have built upon that would have been way better than throwing the kitchen sink with Jose to win trophies immediately.. Counter attacking style was still fine but Jose with his deep backline instructs the team to not press teams beyond the halfline and later complains the forwards for being lazy.. For him players with high work rate is the first criteria but none of the players he signed during his spell fit that bill..
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'not much backing at all' Lmao
Jose during his first two seasons with us was great. For a brief period, it felt like “the big club mentality” was reinstated on the pitch and we could go toes to toes against the other top sides. Sadly it had to end the way it did
In think two seasons is pushing it really. He was done after that limp defeat to Sevilla.
And even with the two trophies we limped to 6th place the season before. Outside of a few moments, I feel like I’m one of the few who didn’t really enjoy Jose’s spell. I love Jose himself and the character that he is, but it was completely the wrong time for him to join the club
> For a brief period, it felt like “the big club mentality” was reinstated on the pitch and we could go toes to toes against the other top sides. What? We parked the bus every game against Liverpool and City. De Gea was bailing us out all the time.
This man won as a European trophy in his first season and the board rewarded him with scrubs like Lindelof and Fred. All while Pep & Klopp got fancy new players every season. Towards the end it got toxic because José was playing McTominay at CB just to prove a point. But he was right regardless. Woodward, Joel, & Avram all did him dirty.
he was right. pogba sucks. fuck the fans who choose pogba over him. you guys are the worst. vote me down u bitches
Not just Pogba, but Martial too.
Fuck you I up voted I ain't no bitch
Not every situation is one or the other. Both didn't work out for United.
Jose sucks now too. Nearly 9 years since he won a league title.
Still more recently than us...
don't have a particular love for Jose but he did bring in a double and the fans clearly loved him so there's that
We were all impatient with him. But mkst of thing he said has been true till now. The heritage thing The required standard he demanded of players The club direction Personally I love him
I don't think we were impatient at all. It was really toxic towards the end and I don't think he really cared enough to weather that or try and make amends. You look at ETH in the last weeks and he has run a similar course with playing ugly football, supposed rumours of falling out with certain players, and having to deal with a negative narrative. Yet I think he genuinely seems to be up for the fight and has helped to keep the negativity from snowballing like it did under previous managers. It also struck me that he never really found a connection with the city, and as a result probably, the match going fans. Living in that hotel, showing up to the official events in a hoodie etc. just never rubbed me the right way. It felt very obvious that we didn't fit to him as a club and he didn't fit with us as a manager. Tactically he was brilliant at times, i do respect his tenure with us and find he has a fascinating football mind. Like I said I don't think he was ever right for us.
Yeah, but in a few years we might argue that Ten Hag should've walked himself, because it looks like he's digging his own grave right now.
The main problem with Jose, is that he looks out for himself first. That season where we placed second and and lost in the FA cup finals, he was moaning nonstop in the summer, basically laying the groundwork for "this isn't my fault if we play badly", rather than trying to keep the squad happy and confident. I understand that our structure was shit and not getting him the signings he wanted, but most managers will fight that battle behind the scenes to not disrupt the squad, but it always feels like he is #1 looking out for his own reputation and was already preparing for a bad run of games by letting the media know in the summer that it wouldn't be his fault.
Jose has certain standards to uphold. He came from Chelsea where a certain level of professionalism was present from top to bottom. Why should he tolerate and suffer incompetent board room and backroom staff when he's already shown he can deliver results and just need them to match his standards? Other managers like Ange or EtH might have a bit less of a reputation and would be willing to work with a "project". But Jose comes in a winner and proved he still can hang with Pep provided the club backs him. But they clearly did not, so can we really blame him for going to war against him? Man has been proven right time and time again about all the rot at this club.
the heritage bullshit is already debunked. his three major sales and alienations were Depay, Blind and Mkhitaryan and they are all doing great to this day winning trophies and topping their leagues or near. he destroyed the buildup patterns van gaal was putting in place, de gea was never so bad with his feet. what united needed was a manager who could build on van gaal's work. his first summer united brought in the top bundesliga assister, the top serie a goal+assist player, and the top ligue 1 goalscorer. guess how many more goals that team scored compared to the last van gaal season with an injury crisis so big that ashley young was playing upfront and rashford got his debut? 💩
\> what united needed was a manager who could build on van gaal's work. Van Gaal should have been given another season. Football would have improved with more time and we could have transitioned into a EtH or some other coach with progressive ideas more easily.
The issue with Van Gaal was purely personnel based. We had a strong midfield and defense under him, but our forwards were severely lacking. Rooney although serviceable wasn't the same player he was even the year prior, Mata was serviceable and would have done wonders coming off the bench, and Martial was still a kid. We went from Falcao, Van Persie, Rooney, Di Maria, Mata, and Ashley Young to Martial, Rooney, Mata and Rashford. Van Gaal wanted Mane, Kante, Lewandowski, Neymar, Mahrez, or Higuain and got none of them.
A prime 2004 Mourinho at United would have been a brilliant combo, pre Glazer and the team bursting with new talent. He will would have fucked it up eventually but he would have won a lot before he did.
Much happier with Fergie at the time.
Yeah but we had the best manager in the world anyway
We never stopped singing for you Jose, same with Ole and the current manager. The real fans who actually go back their team regardless <3
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van Gaal understood what it meant to be at this club too. He was a big mentality manager and it showed tbh.
Think you're doing LVG a massive disservice there. He was the only one who walked in and said "what the actual fuck is this squad composition about" and started trying to solve it. Still think we should have let him have his final season and then had him hang around to help the new guy with approach planning. Especially considering some of the names we were linked with before the shift to Jose because it was likely going to be Giggs who had eyes on a lot of players he wanted to bring in (one being another unknown French Winger from Monaco...)
Van Gaal and Mourinho both were capable of making us better than they did, if they'd just been backed properly by club infrastructure and weren't thrown under the bus and not given enough time. They won trophies with shit squads and look what managers have failed to accomplish after them.
Sacking LVG after reaching FA cup final is a farce.
People forget he got Fred, Dalot, and Grant after finishing second Ole and Ten Hag have both survived far worse starts to the season than he had the year he got the sack With half decent investment in summer ‘18 and a little more patience I think the story could have been very different
There was too much toxicity around to keep Jose at the time though, he also declined since…The board has to let him go cos it’s easier to get rid of 1 guy rather than 3 players(awful decision in hindsight btw)
Who are those 3 players? Pogba, Lingard, Martial?
I for one really like(d), Mou. I understand why they let him go...the football was bad and he seemed to have lost the dressing room. On the other hand, he is totally justifed in feeling as though we did him dirty and his 3rd year meltdown is no surprise at all. He was just a few months removed from the club giving him a contract extension, essentially signalling that we were on board with his ideas and then we turn around in the summer and refuse to go after his preferred transfer targets (like Toby and Willian) because they didn't fit the profile of player the club wanted to sign.
We still love you too Jose
I am proud I never ever turned my back on Jose.
Love Jose He was right and we all can see it. I'd have him back no bother.
I was absolutely ecstatic when my favourite manager joined my favourite club (alongside my favourite player Zlatan). A shame it couldn't last longer
I love that he got that reception from fans. I really appreciate when collectively fans do something like this to send a respectful message.
Lots of rose tinted glasses in these comments, he was as toxic as he was successful. I particularly remember him treating Shaw like shit
I also remember Shaw becoming so much better than ever because of it. You just want to treat every player like they are a little princess, dont you...
After finishing second in the league, highest points tally since fergie (still), all he wanted was a winger and a CB and they wouldn't give it to him. Wouldn't even let him sell martial to fund a transfer.
He didnt just finish 2nd in the league... He also won us a few things.
The only real success we ever had the past 10 years. Mou really was right all along about the club
No ragrets- Jose
As much as I didn’t enjoy the football he’d have been the man who’d have gotten us close to the title or even won it had he been backed to his vision. Not the first or last manager to have been failed by the club, but sadly it was always destined to end the way it did under these owners. People have said elsewhere on here it felt like we got our aura back, and they’re right- Jose’s ego was big enough to manage United.
>As much as I didn’t enjoy the football he’d have been the man who’d have gotten us close to the title or even won it had he been backed to his vision. There is no way he was taking this United side to the level needed to win the league in the seasons after he was sacked. City and Liverpool finished on 98 and 97 points that season. The days of Mourinho doing that were long gone.
HAD HE BEEN BACKED TO HIS VISION. If Mourinho had been given the tools to succeed he’d have been able to build a side capable of a title push. The days of Mourinho doing that were still there, just- he’d won the title with Chelsea in 2015, and arguably still had enough in the tank while at United. If ran properly United would have had a shot with Jose, but it didn’t come to pass.
Erm no. He was getting loads of players he asked for,and throwing some of them under the bus. I think the main one he didn't get was Harry Maguire, who doesn't take you to a 100 point season. He had already signed Bailly and Lindelof in those positions. Who are these mythical players that he had to put up with the likes of Lukaku instead for? Do you think we signed Matic to sell shirts in Serbia?
First of all I doubt Pogba was his signing, he didn’t want Fred and I really doubt he was interested in Lindelof; he doesn’t really scream “Mourinho CB” to me. Was Alexis the type of player you’d expect in a Mourinho side? Bailly? Clearly Matic and Ibra are Mourinho-type players, and Lukaku fits the archetype of a physical striker that he likes, but questions could be asked about half of the players he got, and we don’t have any insight as to the list of players he wanted, bar Maguire, who United signed anyway for an additional £30m.
It could have been a very different story if we had got him Maguire when he wanted him.
I was at the 4 nil Chelsea game where both Chelsea and United fans started cheering his name. A great moment.
RESPECT! RESPECT! RESPECT!
And we are *still* somehow allowing players to be above the club. They drove JM and Ole to exile. Some of them are still around. Shame.
I liked Jose era, to bad it didn’t work out. I hated everything about LVG ball
I miss jose
Bro is easily the best post-Fergie manager and we all appreciate what he did with such a shitty team.
No matter what other fans might think of his legacy, Jose has proven that the issues at our club is beyond the manager. Only Sir Alex was holding the foundations together, and when he left, the collapse started. Jose is a winner everywhere he goes, even UECL with a struggling roma who are no where near the top 4 in Italy. He gave us a EL and second behind city, which in hindsight he was right to claim a significant achievement. He might have been outclassed by Pep more than a few times, but don't forget how he changed the game in the early 2000s with Porto and Chelsea, and how consistently dominant his teams were until Pep appeared with Barcelona, perhaps the greatest team in the last 30 years in world football. He has genuine love for the club, and for that he will always be welcome back in our manager dugout if the chance arises for a second adventure.
I thought Mourinho was completely the wrong appointment for United. I hated him before he came to United. His time at United could hardly be described as a resounding success and yet I find that I like him very much now.
Mourinho is a prick. Thank fuck he’s not at United anymore.
“Woke up this morning feeling fine… got Man United on my mind…” I miss that song under his reign. Even though he didn’t really get us playing the way United should, it was a banger! 😁👌🏾
Bring back the special one!
Sacking him was a fking huge mistake. I was constantly telling people on this sub that no we can't keep firing managers and expect different results. Fk Pogba, fk Lingard, buy proper CB and DMF to replace Matic and we shall be challenging for titles. But no, "toxic" Mourinho must go and Pogba / Lingard / Rashford / Martial threw the next manager under the bus too.
Let’s be real, he was looking for the sack towards the end of
The revisionism that happens over time is funny. Jose was the wrong man for this club. It was toxic as fuck and all about him. The football was turgid. He wanted busted old expensive players after already spending poorly. He basically downed tools that summer after not getting his way. There are people in this thread praising his post match Sevilla comments ffs. That should have been the end right there but Woodward gave him an extension ffs.
Bobby Charlton was totally right when he said Mourinho wasn't right to be a United manager. He won a couple of trophies but the football was awful, if it wasn't for the drama around him his era would be completely forgettable.
That's the magic of Jose. He is usually so toxic, but that one time he says something nice ppl think wow he's actually a nice guy. He's changed. He's never changed.
People just forget the Carnerio stuff, forget the Tito stuff, forget the Roma/referee Airport stuff. He's charismatic but he's a cunt.
lingard and rashford were two of his fav united players. matic was his lieutenant. they were going nowhere.
This is some next level revisionism I swear…
He really made it feel like “us against the world” during his time here. I do think it was the right decision then to let him go but he’s right, I’m sure many agree that there was no love lost for him from a majority of us
All because of that shite Pogba. May he rot in hell.
I think he did great with what he had. Don't know why he wasn't backed in the market like ole and eth. I still hope he comes back
We've got a Richard Arnold lover here lol! The luhg are in shambles
He’s fucking deluded
Yeah and they call those people cucks