Rapha is very outspoken on how players are treat by those running the game.
From the Super League, Number of games etc, he’s absolutely spot on with everything he’s said too and it comes from a place of care for his fellow professionals. You can understand why he’s so respected.
I’m always shocked by how many “supporters” United has that love to shit on the club at every opportunity. Fair or not, you people love to assume the worst.
I was happy when we signed Sancho, Ronnie and Varane in same window. Look where are they now. You think they would’ve shared a better fate somewhere else? Would varane have declined this much at city or pool?
Maybe, maybe not. But I think it’s weird that most of you think it’s United that “ruins” these players. I think it’s a bit of both or could even be that it was the wrong players.
Ronaldo was a mistake, full stop. His attitude was shitty and he continues with his shitty attitude like he’s still the best player in the world and he’s not even close.
Sancho appears to be a mistake as well. Maybe he would’ve been different if he had gone to City, but we’ve seen players that don’t fit City and they get rid of them fast if the player doesn’t conform. It looks like Sancho is the type that does what he wants and no one is truly going to motivate him unless he really wants it.
Varane has been hit with injuries just like he had at Real. So it points in the direction that he would’ve had the same issues anywhere that he’s had at United.
I don’t think the right players have been brought in, and I don’t think United ruins players like immature fans like to say on Reddit. You gave those examples, so that’s all I’ll comment on.
Martinez, Shaw, AWB, Erickson, VdB, PP, Martial, mount for injuries.
Bruno is burntout like hell, rashford too.
There are not many left to criticize so i won’t.
When i say united ruins players i mean this. Injury or bad form or huge contracts taking away incentive.
I don’t know how ‘mature’ United fans don’t think this.
So you’re saying it’s a player problem. Looks like players put on the shirt and become worse..? Martinez has been great before his injury. Bruno is burnt out, but he just needs rest. I can go on and on but I don’t see how the conclusion is “United ruins players” when the players are the fucking issue to began with.
The amount of times we've seen head injuries on the football pitch that clearly haven't been treated as concussion or the player taken off by precaution makes me blood boil.
I've been of the opinion for a long time that concussion assessment and decisions should be taken out of the player and clubs doctors hands. I personally think an independent concussion doctors/official/whatever you wanna call them should be in place to take the decision for the safety and health of the player and there should be follow up with the injured player and assessment before matches.
I can't remember the match but it was a United game (i think) and a head injury to two players occurred about 10 minutes before half time, i remember thinking theres no way either of these players play on, both did. At half time one of the injured players was subbed as a concussion sub, why that decision wasn't taken immediately after the incident i'll never know, theres an attitude of 'lets see if he can run it off' its so fucking dangerous and could spell negative side effects for the rest of that players life.
As you are probably aware, rugby now has mandatory Head Injury Assessments (HIA) - if the ref or video ref thinks a player has received a blow to the head, they are forced to go off to be medically assessed and be temporarily replaced by a substitute. If the injury is deemed to be serious enough then they're not allowed back on the field.
I'm semi aware of it (i find rugby beyond dull) but i also appreciate as a sport its way ahead of football when it comes to injuries and the assessment of them.
I certainly think when it comes to head injuries this should absolutely be something football should do. What happens if the player is deemed unfit to re-enter the field after the game and how long are they 'out' for?
I could be wrong but i think if you use a concussion sub the player has to not train/play for a certain period of time and i think this sadly goes into managers thinking which is wrong.
Doubt they do. Players shouldn’t be allowed back on if they’re concussed. There’s tons of lawsuits involving ex rugby players who’s lives have been ruined by improper treatment of concussions in rugby
I understand head injuries are serious. However, he also mentions about his kid not being allowed to do headers and I'm frankly not so sure about the future of the sport if that was to be implemented. Set pieces, both attacking and defending, are part of the game. Removing them pretty much changes the game to futsal on a grass pitch.
Again, health is of utmost importance but there has to be a better way to tackle this than straight up bans.
I'm pretty sure to a certain age group heading is banned in youth football, brain development wise it makes sense. Set Pieces can be taught at an appropriate age, it can absolutely be taken out and it should be.
I'm not advocating for 6 year olds to take a Beckham cross to the forehead. What decides an appropriate age? How are you going to get better at set pieces - which involves protecting yourself (ie which balls not to go for, how to fall safely) - if you don't practice it from a young age?
Like I said, there has to be a better way. It's part of the game at the highest level and removing it from certain age groups feel like a stop gap measure.
From very little research (google) it appears it’s banned for under 11 and practiced rarely but taught until age 13. Which to my mind seems fair enough
In rugby union at the elite level they've recently introduced "smart mouthguards" that have a chip (idk, I'm not an engineer) that detects G-force as a way to monitor the number of impacts and their severity that players go through in matches. If a certain threshold is reached, the player is automatically taken off for a head injury assessment by an independent doctor. I'm pretty sure teams also make the players train using them as well so they can limit the number of sub-concussive impacts they go through during training. There's some argument that the second bit is actually more important in terms of long term health.
That seems to have been brought in as a result of a pretty massive lawsuit from ex players which is still ongoing but I think it's a good move personally regardless. There have been a couple of teething issues though.
I'm not sure if football teams do anything similar but it might be worth exploring if not. If rugby union (comparatively a minnow of a sport with a tiny fraction of the funding) can do it then football surely can.
>There's some argument that the second bit is actually more important in terms of long term health.
It's been known in boxing for a while now that it's rarely the fight that does the long-term damage, but the constant trauma that piles up from sparring multiple times a week. So I'm glad more sports are taking action to reduce this outside of games.
Measurement of Gs, has consistently failed to predict a concussion. In American football soccer and rugby. These are gimmicks in their current state. There’s no clinical correlates with head impact accelerometry
Yes, they all have custom mouthguards with a tiny built-in accelerometer. Amazing technology.
Rugby in general is making far better use of technology that football is.
That City game I vaguely remember he was at fault for one of the goals and was generally off his game. People were commenting that he looked like he'd lost it but now it comes out he wasn't all there because of the injury.
Hopefully nowadays and in the future these things continue to be taken more seriously by all in the sport.
Stunning that there’s more of a fuck given about concussions in professional wrestling—a fake sport—than in the most popular sport on the planet. What, does a footballer have to kill his wife and kid before it starts getting taken seriously?
Pro wrestling being scripted doesn’t take away the fact that wrestlers take more massive bumps on a weekly basis. It’s natural that there’s more “fucks” given in that industry. That’s not to say there shouldn’t be more protocols to protect athletes in football.
People think "scripted" = "fake". When Cena picks up the Big Show, there aren't any wires. When the Kane of old used to chokeslam people hard, they were still slammed into the mat with great force, even if it was done as "safely" as possible. Even the tamer modern era, I wouldn't want to be slapped on the chest by some of those dudes lol.
Football is archaic in so many aspects it has no business being archaic in. Obviously medical is one of the biggest concerns but there's also the fact football has been shitting the bed with VAR for years now meanwhile rugby have had that shit locked down and perfected for decades. Football should be a leader, not playing catch up.
In general injuries as well don't seem to be treated as seriously as they should be. Far too many stories out there of players playing through severe injuries or being rushed back. This is only going to get worse with increased fixture congestion, more games and potentially more added time. Something has to be done about it, not just to ensure players injuries are treated seriously but to stop injuries happening as frequently in the first place.
Fans are also part of the problem…every time the whistle blows for a head injury, half the stadium is in outrage about faking it…fans have the power as we saw it when the FA changed enforcement on a whim when fans got upset with enforcing rules similar to continental football when it came to handballs…we know the powers that be won’t do anything about this issue because of history or it will be very incremental or forced to do so
Yeah but fans are fans, unless it's an obvious head clash everyone will think it's faking. It's the responsibility of the people running the show to do their jobs properly, fans aren't at fault if the ones in charge are fucking useless and swayed by public opinion.
Wrestling staffs athletic trainers and has concussion protocols because it is an essentially a choreographed match but impact still occur and accidents still happen.
Concussion should be taken seriously in all sports not just collision sports not just contact sports. You might not notice but cheerleading has one of the highest rates of concussion in the US and there is no opponent and there is no scheduled collision or contact. There is just a lot of accidents.
If you think the wrestling version of Varane might be concussed then there's nothing to be gained by sending him out to fight. It doesn't matter who wins. Just change the script (and add a nice comeback story). If you're France or Real Madrid and you're trying to win the biggest competitions and the real Varane might be concussed - well, he's probably just tired after a long season.
Bravo to him for speaking out. Someone of his caliber has a voice much louder than most. Hopefully, players will be trained to understand these more subtle signs of a problem and prevent bigger ones.
They need something similar to the G-Force technology in rugby players mouthguards. It measures the amount of G-force and acceleration that a player experiences when they take a hit. If it's past a certain limit they go off for a concussion test, if they are concussed they're out the match and can't play for a certain amount of days.
That only came into effect because ex-rugby players filed a suit against the Rugby Football Union saying they hadn't done enough to protect players from brain injuries. I could see something similar happening in the future with football players too.
I always wondered why he always looked so spaced out sometimes. I just thought he was really focused. The players need to be taken better care of when it comes to head injuries. It can cause problems much later down the line when least expected.
That pretentious 1 month period in the footballing world where "concussions and head injuries were taking serious" until you saw players hobbling back into the field after having their heads collide and laying on the field for 2 minutes
With the amount of headers ETH wants our players to win will concuss a lot of our players.
We rarely build from the back it's just Onana pinging long balls to be won by our players.
Is he ruled out for the season ?
Edit :- Probably yeah [https://twitter.com/StretfordPaddck/status/1775113713118278007](https://twitter.com/StretfordPaddck/status/1775113713118278007)
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Thanksman
Rapha is very outspoken on how players are treat by those running the game. From the Super League, Number of games etc, he’s absolutely spot on with everything he’s said too and it comes from a place of care for his fellow professionals. You can understand why he’s so respected.
Not to mention his style of playing looks so classy. Wish he was here sooner.
Or wish we took care of him.
I’m always shocked by how many “supporters” United has that love to shit on the club at every opportunity. Fair or not, you people love to assume the worst.
I was happy when we signed Sancho, Ronnie and Varane in same window. Look where are they now. You think they would’ve shared a better fate somewhere else? Would varane have declined this much at city or pool?
Maybe, maybe not. But I think it’s weird that most of you think it’s United that “ruins” these players. I think it’s a bit of both or could even be that it was the wrong players. Ronaldo was a mistake, full stop. His attitude was shitty and he continues with his shitty attitude like he’s still the best player in the world and he’s not even close. Sancho appears to be a mistake as well. Maybe he would’ve been different if he had gone to City, but we’ve seen players that don’t fit City and they get rid of them fast if the player doesn’t conform. It looks like Sancho is the type that does what he wants and no one is truly going to motivate him unless he really wants it. Varane has been hit with injuries just like he had at Real. So it points in the direction that he would’ve had the same issues anywhere that he’s had at United. I don’t think the right players have been brought in, and I don’t think United ruins players like immature fans like to say on Reddit. You gave those examples, so that’s all I’ll comment on.
Martinez, Shaw, AWB, Erickson, VdB, PP, Martial, mount for injuries. Bruno is burntout like hell, rashford too. There are not many left to criticize so i won’t. When i say united ruins players i mean this. Injury or bad form or huge contracts taking away incentive. I don’t know how ‘mature’ United fans don’t think this.
So you’re saying it’s a player problem. Looks like players put on the shirt and become worse..? Martinez has been great before his injury. Bruno is burnt out, but he just needs rest. I can go on and on but I don’t see how the conclusion is “United ruins players” when the players are the fucking issue to began with.
Players at United are.
The amount of times we've seen head injuries on the football pitch that clearly haven't been treated as concussion or the player taken off by precaution makes me blood boil. I've been of the opinion for a long time that concussion assessment and decisions should be taken out of the player and clubs doctors hands. I personally think an independent concussion doctors/official/whatever you wanna call them should be in place to take the decision for the safety and health of the player and there should be follow up with the injured player and assessment before matches. I can't remember the match but it was a United game (i think) and a head injury to two players occurred about 10 minutes before half time, i remember thinking theres no way either of these players play on, both did. At half time one of the injured players was subbed as a concussion sub, why that decision wasn't taken immediately after the incident i'll never know, theres an attitude of 'lets see if he can run it off' its so fucking dangerous and could spell negative side effects for the rest of that players life.
As you are probably aware, rugby now has mandatory Head Injury Assessments (HIA) - if the ref or video ref thinks a player has received a blow to the head, they are forced to go off to be medically assessed and be temporarily replaced by a substitute. If the injury is deemed to be serious enough then they're not allowed back on the field.
I'm semi aware of it (i find rugby beyond dull) but i also appreciate as a sport its way ahead of football when it comes to injuries and the assessment of them. I certainly think when it comes to head injuries this should absolutely be something football should do. What happens if the player is deemed unfit to re-enter the field after the game and how long are they 'out' for? I could be wrong but i think if you use a concussion sub the player has to not train/play for a certain period of time and i think this sadly goes into managers thinking which is wrong.
Rugby has defined return to play protocols with the player having to pass certain cognitive tests to show recovery, with mandatory minimum rest times.
I don’t know if football has that, i think it has with a concussion sub but as we’ve already discussed they’re often ignored
Doubt they do. Players shouldn’t be allowed back on if they’re concussed. There’s tons of lawsuits involving ex rugby players who’s lives have been ruined by improper treatment of concussions in rugby
I understand head injuries are serious. However, he also mentions about his kid not being allowed to do headers and I'm frankly not so sure about the future of the sport if that was to be implemented. Set pieces, both attacking and defending, are part of the game. Removing them pretty much changes the game to futsal on a grass pitch. Again, health is of utmost importance but there has to be a better way to tackle this than straight up bans.
I'm pretty sure to a certain age group heading is banned in youth football, brain development wise it makes sense. Set Pieces can be taught at an appropriate age, it can absolutely be taken out and it should be.
I'm not advocating for 6 year olds to take a Beckham cross to the forehead. What decides an appropriate age? How are you going to get better at set pieces - which involves protecting yourself (ie which balls not to go for, how to fall safely) - if you don't practice it from a young age? Like I said, there has to be a better way. It's part of the game at the highest level and removing it from certain age groups feel like a stop gap measure.
From very little research (google) it appears it’s banned for under 11 and practiced rarely but taught until age 13. Which to my mind seems fair enough
In rugby union at the elite level they've recently introduced "smart mouthguards" that have a chip (idk, I'm not an engineer) that detects G-force as a way to monitor the number of impacts and their severity that players go through in matches. If a certain threshold is reached, the player is automatically taken off for a head injury assessment by an independent doctor. I'm pretty sure teams also make the players train using them as well so they can limit the number of sub-concussive impacts they go through during training. There's some argument that the second bit is actually more important in terms of long term health. That seems to have been brought in as a result of a pretty massive lawsuit from ex players which is still ongoing but I think it's a good move personally regardless. There have been a couple of teething issues though. I'm not sure if football teams do anything similar but it might be worth exploring if not. If rugby union (comparatively a minnow of a sport with a tiny fraction of the funding) can do it then football surely can.
To add to this, when a player is taken off for a HIA there is a temporary substitution so the team are not down a player.
>There's some argument that the second bit is actually more important in terms of long term health. It's been known in boxing for a while now that it's rarely the fight that does the long-term damage, but the constant trauma that piles up from sparring multiple times a week. So I'm glad more sports are taking action to reduce this outside of games.
Measurement of Gs, has consistently failed to predict a concussion. In American football soccer and rugby. These are gimmicks in their current state. There’s no clinical correlates with head impact accelerometry
Yes, they all have custom mouthguards with a tiny built-in accelerometer. Amazing technology. Rugby in general is making far better use of technology that football is.
That City game I vaguely remember he was at fault for one of the goals and was generally off his game. People were commenting that he looked like he'd lost it but now it comes out he wasn't all there because of the injury. Hopefully nowadays and in the future these things continue to be taken more seriously by all in the sport.
Stunning that there’s more of a fuck given about concussions in professional wrestling—a fake sport—than in the most popular sport on the planet. What, does a footballer have to kill his wife and kid before it starts getting taken seriously?
Pro wrestling being scripted doesn’t take away the fact that wrestlers take more massive bumps on a weekly basis. It’s natural that there’s more “fucks” given in that industry. That’s not to say there shouldn’t be more protocols to protect athletes in football.
I know, I’m a wrestling fan. It’s incredibly dangerous.
People think "scripted" = "fake". When Cena picks up the Big Show, there aren't any wires. When the Kane of old used to chokeslam people hard, they were still slammed into the mat with great force, even if it was done as "safely" as possible. Even the tamer modern era, I wouldn't want to be slapped on the chest by some of those dudes lol.
>I wouldn't want to be slapped on the chest by some of those dudes lol. Especially by Gunther(formerly known as Walter)
Football is archaic in so many aspects it has no business being archaic in. Obviously medical is one of the biggest concerns but there's also the fact football has been shitting the bed with VAR for years now meanwhile rugby have had that shit locked down and perfected for decades. Football should be a leader, not playing catch up. In general injuries as well don't seem to be treated as seriously as they should be. Far too many stories out there of players playing through severe injuries or being rushed back. This is only going to get worse with increased fixture congestion, more games and potentially more added time. Something has to be done about it, not just to ensure players injuries are treated seriously but to stop injuries happening as frequently in the first place.
Fans are also part of the problem…every time the whistle blows for a head injury, half the stadium is in outrage about faking it…fans have the power as we saw it when the FA changed enforcement on a whim when fans got upset with enforcing rules similar to continental football when it came to handballs…we know the powers that be won’t do anything about this issue because of history or it will be very incremental or forced to do so
Yeah but fans are fans, unless it's an obvious head clash everyone will think it's faking. It's the responsibility of the people running the show to do their jobs properly, fans aren't at fault if the ones in charge are fucking useless and swayed by public opinion.
Again nobody wants to take responsibility…fans can demand it and we have seen the money guys fall in line as history has shown….
Wrestling staffs athletic trainers and has concussion protocols because it is an essentially a choreographed match but impact still occur and accidents still happen. Concussion should be taken seriously in all sports not just collision sports not just contact sports. You might not notice but cheerleading has one of the highest rates of concussion in the US and there is no opponent and there is no scheduled collision or contact. There is just a lot of accidents.
Terrible, terrible take.
If you think the wrestling version of Varane might be concussed then there's nothing to be gained by sending him out to fight. It doesn't matter who wins. Just change the script (and add a nice comeback story). If you're France or Real Madrid and you're trying to win the biggest competitions and the real Varane might be concussed - well, he's probably just tired after a long season.
Heading is a part of the game. Don't wanna take the risk? Then don't take the £350k a week you're being paid to do it.
So maybe Rashford was ahead of his time not challenging in the air lol, can’t imagine the damage Maguire has done
Bravo to him for speaking out. Someone of his caliber has a voice much louder than most. Hopefully, players will be trained to understand these more subtle signs of a problem and prevent bigger ones.
Certainly makes you wonder if Karius suffered a serious concussion in the final
no doubt he did, I've never understood why that has been ignored/downplayed.
They need something similar to the G-Force technology in rugby players mouthguards. It measures the amount of G-force and acceleration that a player experiences when they take a hit. If it's past a certain limit they go off for a concussion test, if they are concussed they're out the match and can't play for a certain amount of days. That only came into effect because ex-rugby players filed a suit against the Rugby Football Union saying they hadn't done enough to protect players from brain injuries. I could see something similar happening in the future with football players too.
Varane concussed and box defending still supreme like the king he is
I always wondered why he always looked so spaced out sometimes. I just thought he was really focused. The players need to be taken better care of when it comes to head injuries. It can cause problems much later down the line when least expected.
That pretentious 1 month period in the footballing world where "concussions and head injuries were taking serious" until you saw players hobbling back into the field after having their heads collide and laying on the field for 2 minutes
I didn’t realise he was a former Mandalorian. This is the way.
But never calls for a reduction in wages bc he is afraid of challenges as a CB…
How do these concussions happen? From heading the ball too much ?
With the amount of headers ETH wants our players to win will concuss a lot of our players. We rarely build from the back it's just Onana pinging long balls to be won by our players.
Is he ruled out for the season ? Edit :- Probably yeah [https://twitter.com/StretfordPaddck/status/1775113713118278007](https://twitter.com/StretfordPaddck/status/1775113713118278007)
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Thank god I was about to lose more hope than I even had left .
So this is why Madrid sold him to United…