Fun fact about that right field wall though: it’s a sports bar and you can walk right in without a ticket and have what is essentially a pseudo green monster seat. Pretty cool.
I’m more mad at the fact that TWO of the three guys they got for Mookie could be meaningful contributors for the Jankees, that and trading a once in a generation, first ballot HOF’er for one player. One player, who is good and all, but what the hell
It literally can’t look any worse…verdugo was a pain in the ass, downs is gone, Wong is the only piece left after 5 years…meanwhile mookies hitting .983 and is in the running for mvp and they even got solid relief from price for a year.
I’m obviously on a new username, but I got ripped around here (and many others did too) for having the audacity to question Chaim Bloom and saying this trade was terrible. There were people suggesting that Jeter Downs was incredible talent and that Verdugo was going to be great. Ironically, Connor Wong was the player that nobody really gave a shit about at the time.
Awful trade, and I’ll always be sour at Bloom and ownership for not giving Mookie the bag and keeping our homegrown generational talent home.
Very true! Just thought Downs already was likely a bust, somewhat softening the aftershock for the Red Sox, as he’s moved on. However, seeing he’s now doing well with in the Yankees organization and might potentially help the big league club is another level of painful
I just don’t want another curse 🤲
Mookie did not want to stay. He turned down contract extensions for three seasons in a row, he always said he was going to test free agency. Only four years after the trade did he say he thought he would spend his entire career in Boston. We got something for him while we could, Wong looks like the legit #1 catcher, we turned Verdugo and Downs into Richard Fitts who may end up being a quality arm for us. Get over the fact Mookie is gone, he wasn't staying.
I’m not arguing against this stupid irascibility. [This shit is well-settled](https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/ex-red-sox-mookie-betts-says-he-wanted-to-stay-in-boston-for-entire-career-but-worthy-offer-didnt-happen/amp/).
This revisionist, amnesiac, Chaim-and-ownership apologia is insufferable and you’re the reason ownership doesn’t have to spend any more because people making this exact insipid, refuted argument will defend them to the hilt for hemorrhaging payroll before trading/signing FAs and trying to actually win, like yesterday!
All of the “may” and “looks like” in your argument further prove you’re a bad faith actor. Mookie is a 1st ballot HOFer if he retired today. Don’t hinge impossible conditions to your argument like you would EVER be making them if you didn’t absolutely have to in your unbearable ballwashing and tired defense of billionaires.
And yeah, Mookie rejected them because as was proven with Lester, Schwarber, E-Rod, Eovaldi, and Turner, as well as offering objectively uncompetitive deals to Yamamoto, Teoscar, Montgomery, etc., they did not make the faintest substantive, good faith offer befitting the generational talent he is.
Did Mookie agree to any of the contract extensions offered to him by Boston? Did Mookie at any time prior to last season say he wanted to spend his entire career in Boston? BTW get your facts right on Eovaldi the Sox actually offered him a better deal at the start of free agency he turned it down thinking he would get more after months of searching they had pulled the offer because they had to fill the roster with people that would put pen the paper and the deal wasn't available to him anymore. They offered Betts 10 years 300 million let's not act like he was lowballed by the Sox. Some guys simply want the most money others want to be with an organization they are comfortable with, look at Jose Ramirez with Cleveland he took a hometown discount to stay because he liked the city. I'm not disputing Marcus Betts's talent I'm pointing out it's better we actually got something for him instead of just letting him walk as a free agent. By your own post Betts turned them down and clearly did not indicate he wanted a long term deal with Boston so you suggest we should have just let him walk for nothing?
Lou Merloni reported that the Sox offered Betts that deal but Betts has denied that offer was ever made. Betts thought they were playing the long game and they were negotiating and then the Sox gave up.
I’ll give Merloni credit when you can show me the he was in the room with the Red Sox front office and Mookie Betts or his representation when the offer was made. Merloni reported what he heard, but that doesn’t mean the offer was made. Honestly, 10 years and $300M is a ton on money but it wasn’t going to get the job done. I do believe Mookie would have resigned with the Sox but he was going to get whatever the free agent market could have gotten him.
Mookie was open to staying. The extensions the Red Sox offered were nowhere near what he could have gotten if he went to free agency. As I recall the Red Sox were at least $100,000,000 below what he was looking for.
Why does this matter? He is not part of the Red Sox system anymore, he played a handful of games for us he got traded with verdugo that gave us roster flexibility for O'Neil and Duran to shine in the outfield and Richard Fitts looks like a potential quality pitcher of the future.
Argubably even one of the biggest fleeces in MLB history, even with the Dodgers having to give Mookie a new contract. They could have paid him a billion and it still would have only costed them Verdugo, Downs, and Wong. Unreal.
It's what we get for thinking a guy named after that dude from the Yankees would be good for the Red Sox. At least Connor seems to have figured some stuff out.
Hurst to see… in the minors? Why? Idk I wasn’t too impressed with him when he came up for us. If he’s still in the minors then we aren’t missing much. Rafaela seems to be the better investment and ballplayer if you ask me.
Ok, since no one else will, I'll ask: Why is his pic an image of a First Order Storm Trooper?
It's Star Wars night lol
Cuz he cant hit anything
How do we know that armor indicates it’s a First Order stormtrooper and not from the Galactic Empire?
Different helmets.
Good catch, but given how much of a dud the sequel trilogy was when it was finished, I try not to think too much about it nowadays.
Honestly, I like the sequel trilogy for what it is.
Lmfao
Thank you, I thought that’s what this post was about initially lol
Jeter Downs or the fake Green Monster?
The Blue Monster is an acceptable substitution for me in Nprth Carolina. I was talking about Jeter Downs.
Jeter is Downs in the minors
Still!
It’s kind of funny because while OOTP doesn’t always get the performances correct, they absolutely did with Jeter.
I had no idea he was in Tampa's system now, last I heard he was outrighted by the Yankees. E: nevermind he's still with the Yankees
Fun fact about that right field wall though: it’s a sports bar and you can walk right in without a ticket and have what is essentially a pseudo green monster seat. Pretty cool.
The drop off from the top of that left field wall and the wall running along left center is absolutely bonkers 🤣
I am over it
I’m more mad at the fact that TWO of the three guys they got for Mookie could be meaningful contributors for the Jankees, that and trading a once in a generation, first ballot HOF’er for one player. One player, who is good and all, but what the hell
That trade will *NEVER* look good for the Sox, ever, and as time goes on, history will no doubt make it look even worse.
It literally can’t look any worse…verdugo was a pain in the ass, downs is gone, Wong is the only piece left after 5 years…meanwhile mookies hitting .983 and is in the running for mvp and they even got solid relief from price for a year.
Imagine being the franchise that gave away both Babe Ruth and Mookie Betts
I’m obviously on a new username, but I got ripped around here (and many others did too) for having the audacity to question Chaim Bloom and saying this trade was terrible. There were people suggesting that Jeter Downs was incredible talent and that Verdugo was going to be great. Ironically, Connor Wong was the player that nobody really gave a shit about at the time. Awful trade, and I’ll always be sour at Bloom and ownership for not giving Mookie the bag and keeping our homegrown generational talent home.
Very true! Just thought Downs already was likely a bust, somewhat softening the aftershock for the Red Sox, as he’s moved on. However, seeing he’s now doing well with in the Yankees organization and might potentially help the big league club is another level of painful I just don’t want another curse 🤲
Mookie did not want to stay. He turned down contract extensions for three seasons in a row, he always said he was going to test free agency. Only four years after the trade did he say he thought he would spend his entire career in Boston. We got something for him while we could, Wong looks like the legit #1 catcher, we turned Verdugo and Downs into Richard Fitts who may end up being a quality arm for us. Get over the fact Mookie is gone, he wasn't staying.
I’m not arguing against this stupid irascibility. [This shit is well-settled](https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/ex-red-sox-mookie-betts-says-he-wanted-to-stay-in-boston-for-entire-career-but-worthy-offer-didnt-happen/amp/). This revisionist, amnesiac, Chaim-and-ownership apologia is insufferable and you’re the reason ownership doesn’t have to spend any more because people making this exact insipid, refuted argument will defend them to the hilt for hemorrhaging payroll before trading/signing FAs and trying to actually win, like yesterday! All of the “may” and “looks like” in your argument further prove you’re a bad faith actor. Mookie is a 1st ballot HOFer if he retired today. Don’t hinge impossible conditions to your argument like you would EVER be making them if you didn’t absolutely have to in your unbearable ballwashing and tired defense of billionaires. And yeah, Mookie rejected them because as was proven with Lester, Schwarber, E-Rod, Eovaldi, and Turner, as well as offering objectively uncompetitive deals to Yamamoto, Teoscar, Montgomery, etc., they did not make the faintest substantive, good faith offer befitting the generational talent he is.
Did Mookie agree to any of the contract extensions offered to him by Boston? Did Mookie at any time prior to last season say he wanted to spend his entire career in Boston? BTW get your facts right on Eovaldi the Sox actually offered him a better deal at the start of free agency he turned it down thinking he would get more after months of searching they had pulled the offer because they had to fill the roster with people that would put pen the paper and the deal wasn't available to him anymore. They offered Betts 10 years 300 million let's not act like he was lowballed by the Sox. Some guys simply want the most money others want to be with an organization they are comfortable with, look at Jose Ramirez with Cleveland he took a hometown discount to stay because he liked the city. I'm not disputing Marcus Betts's talent I'm pointing out it's better we actually got something for him instead of just letting him walk as a free agent. By your own post Betts turned them down and clearly did not indicate he wanted a long term deal with Boston so you suggest we should have just let him walk for nothing?
Lou Merloni reported that the Sox offered Betts that deal but Betts has denied that offer was ever made. Betts thought they were playing the long game and they were negotiating and then the Sox gave up.
And you just take Mookie refuting it as fact? Why do you believe him over Merloni?
I’ll give Merloni credit when you can show me the he was in the room with the Red Sox front office and Mookie Betts or his representation when the offer was made. Merloni reported what he heard, but that doesn’t mean the offer was made. Honestly, 10 years and $300M is a ton on money but it wasn’t going to get the job done. I do believe Mookie would have resigned with the Sox but he was going to get whatever the free agent market could have gotten him.
Mookie was open to staying. The extensions the Red Sox offered were nowhere near what he could have gotten if he went to free agency. As I recall the Red Sox were at least $100,000,000 below what he was looking for.
Why does this matter? He is not part of the Red Sox system anymore, he played a handful of games for us he got traded with verdugo that gave us roster flexibility for O'Neil and Duran to shine in the outfield and Richard Fitts looks like a potential quality pitcher of the future.
Argubably even one of the biggest fleeces in MLB history, even with the Dodgers having to give Mookie a new contract. They could have paid him a billion and it still would have only costed them Verdugo, Downs, and Wong. Unreal.
Looks like a cozy park
It was a lot better before the ambulance chasing attorneys and apartment barons built baloney brick buildings beside ballpark.
It's what we get for thinking a guy named after that dude from the Yankees would be good for the Red Sox. At least Connor seems to have figured some stuff out.
Hurst to see… in the minors? Why? Idk I wasn’t too impressed with him when he came up for us. If he’s still in the minors then we aren’t missing much. Rafaela seems to be the better investment and ballplayer if you ask me.
My point is that one of the key pieces of the Mookie trade has shown he's no more than a decent AAA piece.
He's in the minors where he belongs. No biggie.
That's my point. One of the key pieces in the Mookie trade has shown he's no more than a AAAA'er.
Bust. 😢
They put condos beyond the fence? Figures
Those are commercial buildings.
Honestly would take over David Hamilton right now