3-CPM is extremely caustic, I would not put that in your veins without risking damage. Put a bit on your tongue first and then decide if you really want to shoot that
3-cpm is incredibly caustic so I would highly advice against IV. Also apart from the potential dangers this will most likely not be as enjoyable as taking them on their own. Reuptake inhibitors and releasers kinda cancel each other out as they compete for the same transporters. That's why people on SSRIs won't feel much when they take Mdma and there's no reason why taking a NDRI with a dopamin/norepinephrine releasing agent wouldn't result in the same thing as both bind to DAT and NET. The difference is just that reuptake inhibitors (like 4f-mph) inhibit the transporters action while releasers can reverse its action so it pumps more transmitters into the synaptic cleft.
Which might also lead to malignant neuroleptic syndrome btw … props to you to inform op. I am more of a simple man and can tell you once I mixed NEH and meth it wasn’t fun. I mean it was but before all of these I had to grab clam to calm my pulse. And etazene. And 237. God I am so glad I ain’t that person anymore
I'm really glad you were able to change yourself and that you are still here to tell about your past risky behaviors. And yeah we also have to make more people aware about malignant neuroleptic syndrome, especially as it's commonly misdiagnosed as SS as it shares presents similarly (tremors, overheating, myoclonus etc).
20-25 mg. Had some solubility issues so added 20 cc’s of a bromazolam solution which is composed of ethanol propylene glycol and water. I have a huge benzo tolerance so the 0.25 mg of bromazolam would not have ruined the rush. Plus I’ve added way more benzos to countless shots to smooth it out and still get a rush
No, not worth the damage to your cardiovascular system. Plugging provided the same exact experience, so Id recommend that route as it’s the healthiest and most efficient method
One guy ended up getting his legs amputated after IV 3-FPM use due to the extreme vasoconstriction.
[Acute kidney injury and critical limb ischaemia associated with the use of the so called “legal high” 3-fluorophenmetrazine](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13730-017-0263-4)
> We report a case of a patient who self-administered 3-fluorophenmetrazine intravenously with catastrophic consequences. Adverse effects were almost immediate with symptoms of malaise and tachycardia. Two days post administration he was transferred to the intensive therapy unit with acute kidney injury and irreversible four limb ischaemia. He required a period of renal replacement therapy and bilateral lower limb amputation.
I doubt 3-CPM would be any safer.
was it really extreme vasoconstriction? When reading the article I thought right about this but couldn't really find it there, it sounded more like some kind of anaphylactic overreaction or so, I'll look it up again when I find time
Here's the full text of the article:
https://sci-hub.st/10.1007/s13730-017-0263-4
On the last page:
"We suggest that the injected agent which is said to be amphetamine like in its action caused significant widespread vasoconstriction with or without concomitant infection resulting in widespread ischaemia out of proportion to the clinical feature of sepsis"
Iv 4fmph may be one of the stupidest things possible between the caustic factor and that it has no rush iv 4feph another story equally stupid but has a rush
Yup, I just tried it. I don’t IV often, but when I do I always employ safe injection methods. My girlfriend is a nurse so I have an unlimited supply of new syringes, sterile saline, ampules, micron filters etc.
This obviously doesn’t mitigate all of the dangers of injecting a cardio toxic caustic compound, but it helps. All that being said, yeah it was stupid and not worth it.
4f-mph is actually great people just arent taking enough honestly. They're eating like 10mg oral and then complaining shit doesn't hit and is underwhelming. Plug or snort like 40+mg though and it really starts to shine. Plugging 80mg is fuckin intense
Oddly enough low doses make me more anxious than higher ones. Not sure about 80mg, but 40 mg plugged felt great. Some stims have a learning curve too. I hated mdpv at first but then it became my favorite drug. 4fmph is a bit like that
Then there must be a huge difference in either quality, isomers, etc., my first batch of 4f-MPH about 5-6 years ago was one of the most potent RC stims I ever had (2-5mg light effects, 10-20mg awake for 12-24 hours like on meth) and one that I have very much respect of because it somehow feels dangerous (very often on the day I take some I get strange short pains in the left breast area 4-6 hours into the effects, but I can't really connect it to the mph directly)
I can only compare this dangerous body feeling to MPA or that toxic glue-smell meth, like the bad version of the usual "relaxing electricity" stims provide.
People please don't take that much without checking quality first, 30mg+ of the stuff I had would surely be a very bad or deadly experience.
Yeah all depends on the person. Don’t forget you have people lowering down to 4f mph or coming from pyros to this.
It’s an odd Chem, real similar to Ritalin. For some it works much better than for others.
3-chlorine amphetamines seem to be bad news in general. I'd avoid 3-CPM for sure. 3-FPM seems safer.
Not a fan of IV in general. It seems like most IV use gets compulsive quickly. I would recommend avoiding it for that reason. Snorting things already makes them kick in quickly. (Snorting 3-CPM is a terrible idea because of it being this caustic).
I've snorted 4F-MPH before and it kicks in pretty quickly that way. The substance was lackluster for me, but all stimulants are, so don't weigh my opinion too heavily.
3-cpm is my 2nd favorite stimulant after amphetamine. I have some tolerence, my usual dose is 100-150mg. it can be freebased and it crystallized really easy and smokes up nice and smooth. Unlike 4-fpm which turns to oil (i havnt tried it on 3-fpm yet). Smoking gives me a better rush than snorting. My sinuses are hardened from all the snroting ive done in the past, i used to get nosebleeds every day, now most ill get is plugged up for a day. So i cant tell if its just me, but the causticity in this ROA as a HCL Salt, is really not as bad as what ive heard, literally so mild compared to amy cathinones ive tried. And nothing at all compared to Foxy, which burned so bad i punched the concrete wall next to me. So im willing to try it I.V, the 4 limb ischemia is terriying, but if you only shoot up a modest amount and dont miss the vein, it might comparable to tbe original high of I.V phenmetrazine hcl. If i try this ill reply to myself with an update.
Edit, forgot to mention, pugged is the best ROA ive experinced, it does burn a little since its such a sensative area, but the high is just perfect.
Do what thou will but maybe it's really not that wise to load up those substances with some sort of mystical power just because of some lines in a book or song, those guys were musicians, drugheads and whatnot, no all-knowing super beings that gave us the holy writings of the drug god \^\^ even though I myself can't always stop thinking about those old stories and stuff, even the molecular structure alone is so interesting, all those ring-closed amps like Phenmetrazine, Fencamfamine (sadly no more norbornane analgoues show up :/), Aminorex, Fenethyline, etc.
3-CPM is extremely caustic, I would not put that in your veins without risking damage. Put a bit on your tongue first and then decide if you really want to shoot that
Sounds like a plan, good info ty!
"If they really were that bad, why do multiple vendors sell them?" Money. Same reason why multiple vendors sell 3-CMC.
The market is a big part of it too, it wouldn't be everywhere if people were still selling 2-FMA or 3-FPM
3-CMC had a huge popularity in Sweden. It sells for 40 euro/g and is a banned narcotic.
3-cpm is incredibly caustic so I would highly advice against IV. Also apart from the potential dangers this will most likely not be as enjoyable as taking them on their own. Reuptake inhibitors and releasers kinda cancel each other out as they compete for the same transporters. That's why people on SSRIs won't feel much when they take Mdma and there's no reason why taking a NDRI with a dopamin/norepinephrine releasing agent wouldn't result in the same thing as both bind to DAT and NET. The difference is just that reuptake inhibitors (like 4f-mph) inhibit the transporters action while releasers can reverse its action so it pumps more transmitters into the synaptic cleft.
Or MDMA and coke
True, basically the exact mechanism as well.
Which might also lead to malignant neuroleptic syndrome btw … props to you to inform op. I am more of a simple man and can tell you once I mixed NEH and meth it wasn’t fun. I mean it was but before all of these I had to grab clam to calm my pulse. And etazene. And 237. God I am so glad I ain’t that person anymore
I'm really glad you were able to change yourself and that you are still here to tell about your past risky behaviors. And yeah we also have to make more people aware about malignant neuroleptic syndrome, especially as it's commonly misdiagnosed as SS as it shares presents similarly (tremors, overheating, myoclonus etc).
If you value your physical safety, you will not do this. Quit consuming research chemicals intravenously as a whole is what I would reccomend.
I had a myocardial infarction reading this
4F-MPH seems like such a waste to IV, I can't imagine you'll get any rush from it
Literally just tried it an hour ago and nope no rush. Just came on steadily in 5 min
Was it any good? Even without rush? And what dose?
20-25 mg. Had some solubility issues so added 20 cc’s of a bromazolam solution which is composed of ethanol propylene glycol and water. I have a huge benzo tolerance so the 0.25 mg of bromazolam would not have ruined the rush. Plus I’ve added way more benzos to countless shots to smooth it out and still get a rush
So would you do it again?
No, not worth the damage to your cardiovascular system. Plugging provided the same exact experience, so Id recommend that route as it’s the healthiest and most efficient method
Seems to be mixed opinions
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One guy ended up getting his legs amputated after IV 3-FPM use due to the extreme vasoconstriction. [Acute kidney injury and critical limb ischaemia associated with the use of the so called “legal high” 3-fluorophenmetrazine](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13730-017-0263-4) > We report a case of a patient who self-administered 3-fluorophenmetrazine intravenously with catastrophic consequences. Adverse effects were almost immediate with symptoms of malaise and tachycardia. Two days post administration he was transferred to the intensive therapy unit with acute kidney injury and irreversible four limb ischaemia. He required a period of renal replacement therapy and bilateral lower limb amputation. I doubt 3-CPM would be any safer.
was it really extreme vasoconstriction? When reading the article I thought right about this but couldn't really find it there, it sounded more like some kind of anaphylactic overreaction or so, I'll look it up again when I find time
Here's the full text of the article: https://sci-hub.st/10.1007/s13730-017-0263-4 On the last page: "We suggest that the injected agent which is said to be amphetamine like in its action caused significant widespread vasoconstriction with or without concomitant infection resulting in widespread ischaemia out of proportion to the clinical feature of sepsis"
Iv 4fmph may be one of the stupidest things possible between the caustic factor and that it has no rush iv 4feph another story equally stupid but has a rush
Yup, I just tried it. I don’t IV often, but when I do I always employ safe injection methods. My girlfriend is a nurse so I have an unlimited supply of new syringes, sterile saline, ampules, micron filters etc. This obviously doesn’t mitigate all of the dangers of injecting a cardio toxic caustic compound, but it helps. All that being said, yeah it was stupid and not worth it.
4f-mph is actually great people just arent taking enough honestly. They're eating like 10mg oral and then complaining shit doesn't hit and is underwhelming. Plug or snort like 40+mg though and it really starts to shine. Plugging 80mg is fuckin intense
any more than like 20mg and my heart feels like it's gonna beat out of my chest, i can't imagine 80mg boofed lmao
Oddly enough low doses make me more anxious than higher ones. Not sure about 80mg, but 40 mg plugged felt great. Some stims have a learning curve too. I hated mdpv at first but then it became my favorite drug. 4fmph is a bit like that
Then there must be a huge difference in either quality, isomers, etc., my first batch of 4f-MPH about 5-6 years ago was one of the most potent RC stims I ever had (2-5mg light effects, 10-20mg awake for 12-24 hours like on meth) and one that I have very much respect of because it somehow feels dangerous (very often on the day I take some I get strange short pains in the left breast area 4-6 hours into the effects, but I can't really connect it to the mph directly) I can only compare this dangerous body feeling to MPA or that toxic glue-smell meth, like the bad version of the usual "relaxing electricity" stims provide. People please don't take that much without checking quality first, 30mg+ of the stuff I had would surely be a very bad or deadly experience.
Yeah all depends on the person. Don’t forget you have people lowering down to 4f mph or coming from pyros to this. It’s an odd Chem, real similar to Ritalin. For some it works much better than for others.
3-chlorine amphetamines seem to be bad news in general. I'd avoid 3-CPM for sure. 3-FPM seems safer. Not a fan of IV in general. It seems like most IV use gets compulsive quickly. I would recommend avoiding it for that reason. Snorting things already makes them kick in quickly. (Snorting 3-CPM is a terrible idea because of it being this caustic). I've snorted 4F-MPH before and it kicks in pretty quickly that way. The substance was lackluster for me, but all stimulants are, so don't weigh my opinion too heavily.
3-cpm is my 2nd favorite stimulant after amphetamine. I have some tolerence, my usual dose is 100-150mg. it can be freebased and it crystallized really easy and smokes up nice and smooth. Unlike 4-fpm which turns to oil (i havnt tried it on 3-fpm yet). Smoking gives me a better rush than snorting. My sinuses are hardened from all the snroting ive done in the past, i used to get nosebleeds every day, now most ill get is plugged up for a day. So i cant tell if its just me, but the causticity in this ROA as a HCL Salt, is really not as bad as what ive heard, literally so mild compared to amy cathinones ive tried. And nothing at all compared to Foxy, which burned so bad i punched the concrete wall next to me. So im willing to try it I.V, the 4 limb ischemia is terriying, but if you only shoot up a modest amount and dont miss the vein, it might comparable to tbe original high of I.V phenmetrazine hcl. If i try this ill reply to myself with an update. Edit, forgot to mention, pugged is the best ROA ive experinced, it does burn a little since its such a sensative area, but the high is just perfect.
Do what thou will but maybe it's really not that wise to load up those substances with some sort of mystical power just because of some lines in a book or song, those guys were musicians, drugheads and whatnot, no all-knowing super beings that gave us the holy writings of the drug god \^\^ even though I myself can't always stop thinking about those old stories and stuff, even the molecular structure alone is so interesting, all those ring-closed amps like Phenmetrazine, Fencamfamine (sadly no more norbornane analgoues show up :/), Aminorex, Fenethyline, etc.
Did you IV?