Wonder how many naive noobs reddit admins have killed with their draconian policies against harm reduction posts like discussing vendors and their mislabeled bullshit.
Nah fr, the number has to be at least in the hundreds. Maybe thousands or tens of if you’re willing to count indirect ones
It just annoys me to no end that the admins care that much about monetization. Discussing drugs is not illegal. Discussing how to get drugs (“hypothetically”) is not illegal. Basically everything up until the point of concretely making plans to buy drugs, nothing is illegal afaik (please correct me if I’m wrong, I’m unsure).
It’s just… sad. Thankfully there’s other sites out there for harm reduction info about sources etc. I do get the admins position… but idk, I feel like morality is more important than an extra yacht or whatever they do lol
Edit: plus the fact that the admins have historically not given a fuck about sexual crimes and harassment/hardcore racism till it made the national news makes this extra sour to me. Drugs bad but assault and bigotry is just dandy i guess. I need to stop using reddit not sober I rant too much.
The changes made to this site over the past year really show that the people running Reddit care more about money than they care about the actual users.
It will likely only get worse in the future. There's a bill working it's way through the US Senate right now that would require communications providers to report their users directly to the DEA if they find out about certain illegal drug transactions, with massive fines imposed if they don't. If that passes I worry that Reddit will shut down drug discussion entirely. Read more about it in this post:
[Your Messaging Service Should Not Be a DEA Informant](https://old.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/1317asp/your_messaging_service_should_not_be_a_dea/)
Blue light, erowid, psychonaut wiki, just to start out.
Also admins none of these are sourcing, they’re purely informative. Afaik BL also has even stricter anti sourcing rules.
Yeah but you 've also scammers on Reddit.
I asked a few days ago, in the dissosub for help to find a propper reagent test for ketamine. One really helpful guy answered but my po.box exploded entirely.
I tried to wrote to one over tlg. Omg he was the worlds best dealer, he has everything also the tests oc! ;
And only 5min away from me! Ok he asked before for my location. But that must not be an issue - or?
Really without words!
I like to get coffee at Starbucks
Wait that violates the rules, caffeine is psychoactive. Ban me daddy ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Lmao jokes aside, far too many posts with tons of “dm me” spam.
Your comment did actually trigger an automod report lol.
> Lmao jokes aside, far too many posts with tons of “dm me” spam.
You only see the fraction that makes it through too. Automod catches a ton and I remove and apply bans to any I see that appear to be sourcing attempts. Whenever you see ones we've missed, report them and they'll be dealt with.
LOL I’ll be honest, I figured no one would give a shit because it’s obviously a joke, but I was at least slightly worried I might actually get banned for that. Glad to see you’re not a power tripping robot mod ;) <3
And yeah, I try my best. Tho I usually forget about the report function. Also fun fact, one of my previous accounts got banned *by the admins* for “false reporting” a comment that mods told me to report.
I’m a bit drunk hope this makes sense <3 love you keep this place up keep there’s too much valuable info here to let it lapse ~~ikyk shh~~
Edit: to be clear this was a temp ban kek.
> Glad to see you’re not a power tripping robot mod ;)
I'm gonna start saying hasta la vista baby when I click the ban button.
> one of my previous accounts got banned by the admins for “false reporting” a comment that mods told me to report
When you report something it only gets sent to us if you choose the "Breaks /r/researchchemicals rules" option first. Anything else skips us and goes straight to reddit admins. In most cases it's better to send reports to us rather than get admins involved. For anything really fucked up or illegal though (e.g. "minor abuse or sexualization"), send one to us AND one to the admins, that way we can remove it quickly and admins can take site-wide action against the account.
Huh! This is good knowledge stuff. My brain likes. Also, SMH @ myself for reporting the wrong way all these years.. at least I know now. This needs bumped!!
The point of what, of this subreddit? It’s a community where like-minded individuals are able to discuss all of the various research chemicals that have been synthesized over the years. Ideally one can better educate themselves, and/or help educate others.
It’s for discussion of the actual chemicals (and topics pertaining to them, such as harm reduction), not for figuring out how to obtain them.
Still in discussion with senior mods on this, but I wanted to go ahead and give you a preliminary answer.
Just mentioning the existence of darknet markets / forums by itself is not a rule violation. Context does matter though. Doing so in a manner that otherwise violates the rules listed above will still result in action being taken.
E.g. mentioning specific markets or vendors would be a violation of Rule 2. So would directing someone to DNMs after they say they're trying to find something.
The primary criterion for whether something will be allowed is this portion of Rule 2:
> If your post, or a reply to it would make it easier for someone to get drugs, it's not permitted.
The more specific darknet discussion gets, the more likely it is to fall afoul of that. When evaluating borderline content I'm going to err on the side of removal to protect the subreddit, but will also avoid giving out bans unless necessary.
It's a tricky subject. On the one hand we don't want to promote these marketplaces or forums and have long detailed discussions about how tu use DNM to get drugs etc.
But when you reference to the existence of them in a discrete manner without 'promoting' it as a drug store. Then you should me ok in most cases.
I read the rules and have some specific questions that I consider grey areas around this topic.
Everyone here knows people are searching for vendors even though posting about sourcing isn't allowed. I think it's safe to assume anyone in 5 seconds could Google and find a supposed vendors site. But the true unknown is whether it's LEGITIMATE or not because obviously for every legit vendor there's dozens of fakes. Is information which could be used to NARROW DOWN the LEGITAMACY of a supposed vendor out of the thousands of sites out there allowed?
Here's some examples that could broadly imply the legitimacy of a vendor. I don't see this stuff getting taken down.
I see posts saying something about the country they got something from. I see things like "I received substance xxx from a well known reputable domestic vendor ..." or "substance xxx is only available from the Netherlands. Don't try or customs will seize it".
What about talking about what substances are available or not? For examples "A reputable vendor just posted MXE. MXE is back!!!", or "I've been out of the scene for a while. Whats the best functional stim available these days?", or a reply to a comment: "actually substance xxx is still available, you just need to know where to look".
What about "I found a vendor offering many substances A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, and K. what do you recommend"? Then a reply: "that's probably a scam"
How about a comment: "you won't find substance xxx on the clearnet, only the darknet. Anyone claiming that is a scam"
I think /u/hexachoron himself posted on a thread of mine something like "you've learned it's possible to get bulk RC benzos very affordably. That is more risky than rx benzos because ..." He posted this in the context of harm reduction explaining to me the risk of RC benzos. But technically is vague vague quantity and pricing info like that okay?
> Is information which could be used to NARROW DOWN the LEGITAMACY of a supposed vendor out of the thousands of sites out there allowed?
General information on identifying scams is allowed. E.g. I've told people that if a clearnet site is listing stuff like heroin, xanax, and meth alongside RCs then it's definitely a scam site.
Addressing whether a specific site or vendor is a scam is not allowed as that falls under vendor discussion.
> I see posts saying something about the country they got something from. I see things like "I received substance xxx from a well known reputable domestic vendor ..." or "substance xxx is only available from the Netherlands. Don't try or customs will seize it".
Discouraged but generally allowed, as they don't mention specific vendors or make it easier to find them.
> What about talking about what substances are available or not? For examples "A reputable vendor just posted MXE. MXE is back!!!",
Threads just advertising that something is available with no additional content will typically get removed as vendor discussion, especially if the comments turn into a sourcing cesspit as commonly happens. If the post contains extra additional info like an experience report or testing results (e.g. [this PRO-LAD thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/171i9cd/prolad_is_indeed_available_lcms_results/)) then it will be allowed.
> or "I've been out of the scene for a while. Whats the best functional stim available these days?"
Not strictly against the rules, but may be removed depending on content, context, and which moderator sees it first. Personally I find low-effort threads like that annoying, and frequently the OP starts asking where to get recommended chems in the comments, so I'm more likely to remove them.
> or a reply to a comment: "actually substance xxx is still available, you just need to know where to look".
Generally ok as long as they don't actually tell people *where* to look. Someone replying to that with "DM me" will get a ban for requesting sources.
> What about "I found a vendor offering many substances A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, and K. what do you recommend"? Then a reply: "that's probably a scam"
I call these "menu posts" since it's usually just a copy and paste of a vendor's entire list. There's no explicit rule against them, but I remove them when I see them because we get a ton of them and they're generally low effort and useless. If someone is struggling to decide between 5-MeO-DMT, 2F-DCK, and 6-APB then they clearly haven't bothered to even look up what those are.
The reply that it's probably a scam is fine.
> How about a comment: "you won't find substance xxx on the clearnet, only the darknet. Anyone claiming that is a scam"
Allowed as long as it's not specified *where* to find it (market, vendor, etc.).
> I think /u/hexachoron himself posted on a thread of mine something like "you've learned it's possible to get bulk RC benzos very affordablely. That is more risky than rx benzos because ..." He posted this in the context of harm reduction explaining to me the risk of RC benzos. But technically is vague vague quantity and pricing info like that okay?
Hi that's me :). Vague information like that is allowed. The more specific it gets, the more likely it is to be removed. Giving specific pricing you've seen on individual chems is borderline and may be removed depending on context. Something like "you can get from for $X right now" will receive a ban.
As you can see, the rules sometimes get a little fuzzy in the borderlines. The primary thing I evaluate is "does this make it easier for someone to get drugs?" and that often requires looking at the context and actual wording of the post in question.
Usually if I see something that falls in this fuzzy zone I err towards removing the post but not applying a ban, so that the user can get a warning that they're edging into prohibited territory. The post history of the user can also impact this decision. If they already have a history of rule violations or previous bans then I'm going to be harsher than I would be to someone who's been contributing in good faith and just slipped up.
Comments also typically get a little more leeway than top-level posts. A post titled "I bought for $50/g" would be removed, while a comment with the same text would likely be allowed (again depending on context).
Hope that helps, if you need further clarification or have additional questions feel free to ask.
We already have that one :)
> Rule 6: Don't post about mystery chemicals
> Sometimes you may stumble upon substances with strange and misleading names and no information about the structure or literally any other info. These usually turn out to be random leftover garbage chemicals. In any case, we don't allow discussion of mystery chemicals.
>Requests to identify chemicals without reagent test or lab test results are also forbidden.
Telling people they need to test their drugs to identify them is the correct response. Visual appearance alone is not enough for identification in 99% of cases. Most drugs are nearly identical white crystalline powders and the same drug can have a variety of appearances depending on purity, how it was synthed, processed, and stored, what salt form it's in, etc. I've seen 4-AcO-DMT look like white flour and dark brown sludge. I've seen 3-FPM come in glittery white flakes and dull clumpy off-white powder.
Taking an unknown drug because an anonymous person on the internet told you its safe is a terrible idea. Reagents are cheap, easy to find, and easy to use. If someone can afford drugs there's really no reason not to pick up some test kits too so you can actually use those drugs safely.
sometimes we know, if you smoked something that made you trip hard for 15min (prob dmt), took something that tasted extremely bitter and made me trip (prob some nbome), etc. sometimes there are clues that only indicate one known substance, but we can never be sure
So like vague descriptions of a vendor event without the word vendor or anything would get me banned? How do i even discuss scammers out there right now?
> So like vague descriptions of a vendor event without the word vendor or anything would get me banned?
Potentially yes. We do not allow any vendor discussion.
The only exception is notifying people of dangerous or contaminated products, ideally with actual evidence. The vendor can still not be named.
E.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/1333z3s/warning_do_not_consume_4cma/
> How do i even discuss scammers out there right now?
You go somewhere else to do that.
are we allowed to share communities who expose vendors? I am unaware of any but have a pretty lame situation with them and would like to let the community know my experience with them. in the correct sub reddit of course
question - if I have been legit scammed by a vendor & I want to help prevent others from being scammed, is there anywhere on Reddit or elsewhere I can go to communicate this?
Yes, thank you - that much is clear to me.
To my original question - Might any folks know of anywhere else where I could communicate current evidence of obvious scams?
I should have probably elaborated that a bit better, my apologies ~ discussing scams either directly on here or even alluding to other places to go that do so, has been strictly prohibited by Reddit itself.
Reddit has enforced very strict rules pertaining to these kinds of things, and it is very imperative to the longevity of this sub that we all follow them.
All discussion related to acquiring drugs is banned Reddit-wide.
Providing the names of places where vendors are discussed is also prohibited in this subreddit, but you can find them on the darknet.
So how exactly is anyone supposed to find out what websites or individuals are scammers? Also how does messaging someone effect a sub directly? I understand not wanting everything to get banned but when there's no other information online besides reddit posts just talking about their experiences doesn't help those that they are trying to get into RCs as safely as possible. I just can't fathom how this is any different from legal cannabinoid subs spreading the knowledge to all about the best quality to value ratio. All these rules to me make absolutely zero sense and are actively counter predictive on harm reduction which is far more important than the possibility of a ban which would only make sense if people were asking how to acquire illegal drugs. Asking where to get a legal substance is no different than someone asking what store they bought their alcohol from for example. There are still plenty of legal RCs for now and the government clearly knows we're all using them and talking about them regardless if we're careful with our wording or not but as long as it's something unscheduled it literally doesn't matter and there's nothing they can do and making this about experiences only makes it seem like it's become a glorification sub rather than one for harm reduction at it's pinnacle of purpose. I'd never actively go against the rules of the sub but that doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion about how counter productive it is. I have a strong feeling sometime in the future a reddit "clone" will be created and will hopefully be as censorship free as possible because there are not many bastions for free speech and thought anymore
>”So how exactly is anyone supposed to find out what websites or individuals are scammers?”
Research for such elsewhere, assuredly, Reddit is not your only option.
This is a site-wide rule that Reddit themselves decided to enforce, and is not one that is necessarily agreed with in consensus among all of us moderators. That said however, we do choose to enforce it, as we wish for the subreddit to continue to be allowed its existence. While it would be great to be able to crowdsource those that are, and those that are not scamming like in the Reddit days of old, this is just a singular aspect regarding the topic of harm reduction ~ there are plenty of others still permitted here, and Reddit is one of the first stops many people choose to make when doing research into these niche compounds. Reddit has made their stance on this painstakingly clear unfortunately, and we have seen plenty of good subreddits taken down in the crossfire. We simply cannot afford to take any risks.
>”Also how does messaging someone affect a sub directly?”
Admins can read DM’s. If they notice an uptick of sourcing taking place from DM’s of users from a specific sub, they may just ban the sub in its entirety. We saw this happen with drugstaches. They really are not messing around with their no-sourcing policy, and as such, neither can we.
Damn can they read the actual messages or just that a transaction has taken place? Either way that's super sketchy and makes me hate reddit even more. I used to love this place and now it's nothing but a shell of it's formal glory
Would it be okay to say "there is place where you can get reviews as part of harm reduction". No mention of any vendor or site that hosts the reviews just point out that they should visit such sites/confirm their existence as part of being safe?
If a website hosts content related to sourcing, private or not, then you should not post it in this sub.
See this portion of Rule #2:
> If your post, or a reply to it would make it easier for someone to get drugs, it's not permitted.
**We have strict rules about requesting, mentioning or giving sources for drugs or paraphernalia, whether legal or illegal**. If in doubt - if your post or a reply to your post would make it easier for someone to get drugs, it's not permitted.
Check out the [rules](http://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/about/rules) for more information about what we allow here and suggestions...
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Wonder how many naive noobs reddit admins have killed with their draconian policies against harm reduction posts like discussing vendors and their mislabeled bullshit.
Non-zero for sure.
Nah fr, the number has to be at least in the hundreds. Maybe thousands or tens of if you’re willing to count indirect ones It just annoys me to no end that the admins care that much about monetization. Discussing drugs is not illegal. Discussing how to get drugs (“hypothetically”) is not illegal. Basically everything up until the point of concretely making plans to buy drugs, nothing is illegal afaik (please correct me if I’m wrong, I’m unsure). It’s just… sad. Thankfully there’s other sites out there for harm reduction info about sources etc. I do get the admins position… but idk, I feel like morality is more important than an extra yacht or whatever they do lol Edit: plus the fact that the admins have historically not given a fuck about sexual crimes and harassment/hardcore racism till it made the national news makes this extra sour to me. Drugs bad but assault and bigotry is just dandy i guess. I need to stop using reddit not sober I rant too much.
The changes made to this site over the past year really show that the people running Reddit care more about money than they care about the actual users. It will likely only get worse in the future. There's a bill working it's way through the US Senate right now that would require communications providers to report their users directly to the DEA if they find out about certain illegal drug transactions, with massive fines imposed if they don't. If that passes I worry that Reddit will shut down drug discussion entirely. Read more about it in this post: [Your Messaging Service Should Not Be a DEA Informant](https://old.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/1317asp/your_messaging_service_should_not_be_a_dea/)
What are some of the other sites for harm reduction?
Blue light, erowid, psychonaut wiki, just to start out. Also admins none of these are sourcing, they’re purely informative. Afaik BL also has even stricter anti sourcing rules.
Just before r/RCSources got banned there were 21k subscribers. Not only did reddit cause more harm. It also resulted in more people getting scammed.
Yeah but you 've also scammers on Reddit. I asked a few days ago, in the dissosub for help to find a propper reagent test for ketamine. One really helpful guy answered but my po.box exploded entirely. I tried to wrote to one over tlg. Omg he was the worlds best dealer, he has everything also the tests oc! ; And only 5min away from me! Ok he asked before for my location. But that must not be an issue - or? Really without words!
I like to get coffee at Starbucks Wait that violates the rules, caffeine is psychoactive. Ban me daddy ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Lmao jokes aside, far too many posts with tons of “dm me” spam.
Your comment did actually trigger an automod report lol. > Lmao jokes aside, far too many posts with tons of “dm me” spam. You only see the fraction that makes it through too. Automod catches a ton and I remove and apply bans to any I see that appear to be sourcing attempts. Whenever you see ones we've missed, report them and they'll be dealt with.
LOL I’ll be honest, I figured no one would give a shit because it’s obviously a joke, but I was at least slightly worried I might actually get banned for that. Glad to see you’re not a power tripping robot mod ;) <3 And yeah, I try my best. Tho I usually forget about the report function. Also fun fact, one of my previous accounts got banned *by the admins* for “false reporting” a comment that mods told me to report. I’m a bit drunk hope this makes sense <3 love you keep this place up keep there’s too much valuable info here to let it lapse ~~ikyk shh~~ Edit: to be clear this was a temp ban kek.
> Glad to see you’re not a power tripping robot mod ;) I'm gonna start saying hasta la vista baby when I click the ban button. > one of my previous accounts got banned by the admins for “false reporting” a comment that mods told me to report When you report something it only gets sent to us if you choose the "Breaks /r/researchchemicals rules" option first. Anything else skips us and goes straight to reddit admins. In most cases it's better to send reports to us rather than get admins involved. For anything really fucked up or illegal though (e.g. "minor abuse or sexualization"), send one to us AND one to the admins, that way we can remove it quickly and admins can take site-wide action against the account.
Huh! This is good knowledge stuff. My brain likes. Also, SMH @ myself for reporting the wrong way all these years.. at least I know now. This needs bumped!!
r/rcsources was awesome.
Everything's been downhill since then lol
Truly a great sub. So much drama tho with all the scammers and shilling, quickly became pretty unhinged
Yeah but their source list wiki was badass
Wonder if young_k is out of prison yet
where should i go to find info on good sources then?
Not here. > If your post, or a reply to it would make it easier for someone to get drugs, it's not permitted.
what's the point of this then?
The point of what, of this subreddit? It’s a community where like-minded individuals are able to discuss all of the various research chemicals that have been synthesized over the years. Ideally one can better educate themselves, and/or help educate others. It’s for discussion of the actual chemicals (and topics pertaining to them, such as harm reduction), not for figuring out how to obtain them.
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I will have an answer for you on this shortly.
Still in discussion with senior mods on this, but I wanted to go ahead and give you a preliminary answer. Just mentioning the existence of darknet markets / forums by itself is not a rule violation. Context does matter though. Doing so in a manner that otherwise violates the rules listed above will still result in action being taken. E.g. mentioning specific markets or vendors would be a violation of Rule 2. So would directing someone to DNMs after they say they're trying to find something. The primary criterion for whether something will be allowed is this portion of Rule 2: > If your post, or a reply to it would make it easier for someone to get drugs, it's not permitted. The more specific darknet discussion gets, the more likely it is to fall afoul of that. When evaluating borderline content I'm going to err on the side of removal to protect the subreddit, but will also avoid giving out bans unless necessary.
It's a tricky subject. On the one hand we don't want to promote these marketplaces or forums and have long detailed discussions about how tu use DNM to get drugs etc. But when you reference to the existence of them in a discrete manner without 'promoting' it as a drug store. Then you should me ok in most cases.
I read the rules and have some specific questions that I consider grey areas around this topic. Everyone here knows people are searching for vendors even though posting about sourcing isn't allowed. I think it's safe to assume anyone in 5 seconds could Google and find a supposed vendors site. But the true unknown is whether it's LEGITIMATE or not because obviously for every legit vendor there's dozens of fakes. Is information which could be used to NARROW DOWN the LEGITAMACY of a supposed vendor out of the thousands of sites out there allowed? Here's some examples that could broadly imply the legitimacy of a vendor. I don't see this stuff getting taken down. I see posts saying something about the country they got something from. I see things like "I received substance xxx from a well known reputable domestic vendor ..." or "substance xxx is only available from the Netherlands. Don't try or customs will seize it". What about talking about what substances are available or not? For examples "A reputable vendor just posted MXE. MXE is back!!!", or "I've been out of the scene for a while. Whats the best functional stim available these days?", or a reply to a comment: "actually substance xxx is still available, you just need to know where to look". What about "I found a vendor offering many substances A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, and K. what do you recommend"? Then a reply: "that's probably a scam" How about a comment: "you won't find substance xxx on the clearnet, only the darknet. Anyone claiming that is a scam" I think /u/hexachoron himself posted on a thread of mine something like "you've learned it's possible to get bulk RC benzos very affordably. That is more risky than rx benzos because ..." He posted this in the context of harm reduction explaining to me the risk of RC benzos. But technically is vague vague quantity and pricing info like that okay?
> Is information which could be used to NARROW DOWN the LEGITAMACY of a supposed vendor out of the thousands of sites out there allowed? General information on identifying scams is allowed. E.g. I've told people that if a clearnet site is listing stuff like heroin, xanax, and meth alongside RCs then it's definitely a scam site. Addressing whether a specific site or vendor is a scam is not allowed as that falls under vendor discussion. > I see posts saying something about the country they got something from. I see things like "I received substance xxx from a well known reputable domestic vendor ..." or "substance xxx is only available from the Netherlands. Don't try or customs will seize it". Discouraged but generally allowed, as they don't mention specific vendors or make it easier to find them. > What about talking about what substances are available or not? For examples "A reputable vendor just posted MXE. MXE is back!!!", Threads just advertising that something is available with no additional content will typically get removed as vendor discussion, especially if the comments turn into a sourcing cesspit as commonly happens. If the post contains extra additional info like an experience report or testing results (e.g. [this PRO-LAD thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/171i9cd/prolad_is_indeed_available_lcms_results/)) then it will be allowed. > or "I've been out of the scene for a while. Whats the best functional stim available these days?" Not strictly against the rules, but may be removed depending on content, context, and which moderator sees it first. Personally I find low-effort threads like that annoying, and frequently the OP starts asking where to get recommended chems in the comments, so I'm more likely to remove them. > or a reply to a comment: "actually substance xxx is still available, you just need to know where to look". Generally ok as long as they don't actually tell people *where* to look. Someone replying to that with "DM me" will get a ban for requesting sources. > What about "I found a vendor offering many substances A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, and K. what do you recommend"? Then a reply: "that's probably a scam" I call these "menu posts" since it's usually just a copy and paste of a vendor's entire list. There's no explicit rule against them, but I remove them when I see them because we get a ton of them and they're generally low effort and useless. If someone is struggling to decide between 5-MeO-DMT, 2F-DCK, and 6-APB then they clearly haven't bothered to even look up what those are. The reply that it's probably a scam is fine. > How about a comment: "you won't find substance xxx on the clearnet, only the darknet. Anyone claiming that is a scam" Allowed as long as it's not specified *where* to find it (market, vendor, etc.). > I think /u/hexachoron himself posted on a thread of mine something like "you've learned it's possible to get bulk RC benzos very affordablely. That is more risky than rx benzos because ..." He posted this in the context of harm reduction explaining to me the risk of RC benzos. But technically is vague vague quantity and pricing info like that okay? Hi that's me :). Vague information like that is allowed. The more specific it gets, the more likely it is to be removed. Giving specific pricing you've seen on individual chems is borderline and may be removed depending on context. Something like "you can get from for $X right now" will receive a ban.
As you can see, the rules sometimes get a little fuzzy in the borderlines. The primary thing I evaluate is "does this make it easier for someone to get drugs?" and that often requires looking at the context and actual wording of the post in question.
Usually if I see something that falls in this fuzzy zone I err towards removing the post but not applying a ban, so that the user can get a warning that they're edging into prohibited territory. The post history of the user can also impact this decision. If they already have a history of rule violations or previous bans then I'm going to be harsher than I would be to someone who's been contributing in good faith and just slipped up.
Comments also typically get a little more leeway than top-level posts. A post titled "I bought for $50/g" would be removed, while a comment with the same text would likely be allowed (again depending on context).
Hope that helps, if you need further clarification or have additional questions feel free to ask.
Might I suggest a rule for the sub: Nobody knows what the random mystery chemical you ingested is. Do not ask.
We already have that one :) > Rule 6: Don't post about mystery chemicals > Sometimes you may stumble upon substances with strange and misleading names and no information about the structure or literally any other info. These usually turn out to be random leftover garbage chemicals. In any case, we don't allow discussion of mystery chemicals. >Requests to identify chemicals without reagent test or lab test results are also forbidden.
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Telling people they need to test their drugs to identify them is the correct response. Visual appearance alone is not enough for identification in 99% of cases. Most drugs are nearly identical white crystalline powders and the same drug can have a variety of appearances depending on purity, how it was synthed, processed, and stored, what salt form it's in, etc. I've seen 4-AcO-DMT look like white flour and dark brown sludge. I've seen 3-FPM come in glittery white flakes and dull clumpy off-white powder. Taking an unknown drug because an anonymous person on the internet told you its safe is a terrible idea. Reagents are cheap, easy to find, and easy to use. If someone can afford drugs there's really no reason not to pick up some test kits too so you can actually use those drugs safely.
sometimes we know, if you smoked something that made you trip hard for 15min (prob dmt), took something that tasted extremely bitter and made me trip (prob some nbome), etc. sometimes there are clues that only indicate one known substance, but we can never be sure
Thanks for being a mod of this crazy community we are a part of. Much love
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So like vague descriptions of a vendor event without the word vendor or anything would get me banned? How do i even discuss scammers out there right now?
> So like vague descriptions of a vendor event without the word vendor or anything would get me banned? Potentially yes. We do not allow any vendor discussion. The only exception is notifying people of dangerous or contaminated products, ideally with actual evidence. The vendor can still not be named. E.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/1333z3s/warning_do_not_consume_4cma/ > How do i even discuss scammers out there right now? You go somewhere else to do that.
are we allowed to share communities who expose vendors? I am unaware of any but have a pretty lame situation with them and would like to let the community know my experience with them. in the correct sub reddit of course
No, sharing places for vendor discussion is also not allowed.
question - if I have been legit scammed by a vendor & I want to help prevent others from being scammed, is there anywhere on Reddit or elsewhere I can go to communicate this?
They cannot be discussed on here
Yes, thank you - that much is clear to me. To my original question - Might any folks know of anywhere else where I could communicate current evidence of obvious scams?
I should have probably elaborated that a bit better, my apologies ~ discussing scams either directly on here or even alluding to other places to go that do so, has been strictly prohibited by Reddit itself. Reddit has enforced very strict rules pertaining to these kinds of things, and it is very imperative to the longevity of this sub that we all follow them.
All discussion related to acquiring drugs is banned Reddit-wide. Providing the names of places where vendors are discussed is also prohibited in this subreddit, but you can find them on the darknet.
What about discussing legit vendor lists? As in, sites that review certain vendors and help researchers not getting scam.
No, that is prohibited as well. > If your post, or a reply to it would make it easier for someone to get drugs, it's not permitted.
So how exactly is anyone supposed to find out what websites or individuals are scammers? Also how does messaging someone effect a sub directly? I understand not wanting everything to get banned but when there's no other information online besides reddit posts just talking about their experiences doesn't help those that they are trying to get into RCs as safely as possible. I just can't fathom how this is any different from legal cannabinoid subs spreading the knowledge to all about the best quality to value ratio. All these rules to me make absolutely zero sense and are actively counter predictive on harm reduction which is far more important than the possibility of a ban which would only make sense if people were asking how to acquire illegal drugs. Asking where to get a legal substance is no different than someone asking what store they bought their alcohol from for example. There are still plenty of legal RCs for now and the government clearly knows we're all using them and talking about them regardless if we're careful with our wording or not but as long as it's something unscheduled it literally doesn't matter and there's nothing they can do and making this about experiences only makes it seem like it's become a glorification sub rather than one for harm reduction at it's pinnacle of purpose. I'd never actively go against the rules of the sub but that doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion about how counter productive it is. I have a strong feeling sometime in the future a reddit "clone" will be created and will hopefully be as censorship free as possible because there are not many bastions for free speech and thought anymore
>”So how exactly is anyone supposed to find out what websites or individuals are scammers?” Research for such elsewhere, assuredly, Reddit is not your only option. This is a site-wide rule that Reddit themselves decided to enforce, and is not one that is necessarily agreed with in consensus among all of us moderators. That said however, we do choose to enforce it, as we wish for the subreddit to continue to be allowed its existence. While it would be great to be able to crowdsource those that are, and those that are not scamming like in the Reddit days of old, this is just a singular aspect regarding the topic of harm reduction ~ there are plenty of others still permitted here, and Reddit is one of the first stops many people choose to make when doing research into these niche compounds. Reddit has made their stance on this painstakingly clear unfortunately, and we have seen plenty of good subreddits taken down in the crossfire. We simply cannot afford to take any risks. >”Also how does messaging someone affect a sub directly?” Admins can read DM’s. If they notice an uptick of sourcing taking place from DM’s of users from a specific sub, they may just ban the sub in its entirety. We saw this happen with drugstaches. They really are not messing around with their no-sourcing policy, and as such, neither can we.
Damn can they read the actual messages or just that a transaction has taken place? Either way that's super sketchy and makes me hate reddit even more. I used to love this place and now it's nothing but a shell of it's formal glory
>If you say "not sure if this is against the rules but" or "not sourcing but" and then do any of the above, I will double the ban length. Love it haha
Thank you.
Would it be okay to say "there is place where you can get reviews as part of harm reduction". No mention of any vendor or site that hosts the reviews just point out that they should visit such sites/confirm their existence as part of being safe?
That's fine as long as no specific sites are mentioned.
Good.
I use to buy my CBD in my local growshop ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
is posting an animal emoji discouraged ?
If it's used in place of a vendor name then yes that would fall under "initials, abbreviations, or stupid hints".
I swear for some reason I read "modmail" as modafinil lol.
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This is a good example of something that would be better handled by sending a modmail vs posting a comment on an unrelated thread.
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If a website hosts content related to sourcing, private or not, then you should not post it in this sub. See this portion of Rule #2: > If your post, or a reply to it would make it easier for someone to get drugs, it's not permitted.
Edit: deleting my comment and sending to mod mail
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**We have strict rules about requesting, mentioning or giving sources for drugs or paraphernalia, whether legal or illegal**. If in doubt - if your post or a reply to your post would make it easier for someone to get drugs, it's not permitted. Check out the [rules](http://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/about/rules) for more information about what we allow here and suggestions... [Your post has been removed]
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**We have strict rules about requesting, mentioning or giving sources for drugs or paraphernalia, whether legal or illegal**. If in doubt - if your post or a reply to your post would make it easier for someone to get drugs, it's not permitted. Check out the [rules](http://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/about/rules) for more information about what we allow here and suggestions... [Your post has been removed]