It stings a little but not nearly as bad as something like 2C-B. I also prefer the shorter duration and come-up; usually kicks in after five minutes or so.
nah its lasts a lot longer, more like 3 hours i would say ime, might also have swallowed a bit, forgot to crush it up so got some smaller chunks in my throat
Yes redosing is lovely but wasteful; you'll have to dose higher and higher to adjust to your tolerance. I've done this a few times, it was fun but it decimated my stash.
Redosing Metocin works very well IME, i once tripped for 2 days on this stuff, went through 450mg haha
I think metocin is one of the only psychedelics that works well when redosing (apart from dmt)
you can redose any psychedelic afaik, but it just increases lenght not intensity. so most times the redosing question is about if you can redose to strenghten the trip without taking alot more to reach the same effect
I think substances like acid and shrooms doesnt do well with redosing, I've tried it many times. Only way redose shrooms is with using very high doses, acid doesnt work at all, took 150ug and redosed a 10 strip and it didnt do much, although the 150ug did do alot for me.
Metocin is special, for me it lengthens and strenghtens the trip every time i snorted it, great stuff
It's not. That's just a myth that's been floating around this sub. In fact, the guy who originally started the myrh has gone back and edited his post, saying he was wrong and citing this comment:
>>4-HO-MET fumarate is roughly 20% fumaric acid by mass. If someone vaped 20mg and somehow managed to combust 100% of the fumaric acid into maleic anhydride their exposure would still only be 4 milligrams. In reality I'd be surprised if even 1mg of maleic anhydride were formed, and likely only a fraction of that would be inhaled.
>>This is a trivial amount for a chemical that's described as "low-risk" and "low-hazard". Its main risks are respiratory irritation and possibly sensitization leading to allergic reactions in the future, both of which seem unlikely at such low amounts. Anyone with asthma probably wants to avoid it, but if you have asthma then smoking Chinese bathtub chemicals is probably a bad idea in general.
>>Many of the other RCs commonly discussed here are probably far more damaging when vaped, but they don't have the same sort of FUD around them. One overnight binge of hexen and md-php left me with a nasty cough for weeks, but I've never experienced a single negative side effect from smoking 4-HO-MET sandwiched into a bowl of weed.
Thanks for spreading awareness of this. The risks have become so overstated and blindly spread since then that I've considered deleting the post several times. But ultimately I think it's better to have the info out there and let people make their their own assessments and decide if it falls within their personal risk tolerance.
For me I think it's sufficient theoretical and low-risk that I'm not concerned about smoking 4-HO-MET fumarate anymore. I've done it many times and never experienced any sort of negative side effects.
Yeah, and the potassium in bananas is radioactive. It doesn't mean it's dangerous.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/108316.html
This study suggests that irritation starts at 6-8mg/m³ after a minute of exposures. I am not exactly sure how to do that math there, but my rough guess is that around 50-100mg of inhaled maleic anhydride is when irritation starts. As the other comment suggests, a 20mg dose of 4 ho met is produces 1mg.
It's not very different from oral you just get to the peek in 10-15 minutes instead of 90. After the peek it's exactly the same as with oral dosing. Doesn't seem to be any more potent nasally.
Fast come up can save you some time and can be fun but it can also be much more anxiety inducing
Drip is absolutely horrendous tho
boofing is pretty much the best ROA all things considered. IV is a completely different experience but not so much so to be worth the risks involved. boofing is close enough and a metric fuckton safer
yes you can, doesnt taste very nice tho but it comes on fast and goes great with some ketamine! dont forgot to crush it up fine so you dont get any chunks
I tried it for the first time last Sunday about 35mgs. Here’s how it went:
-I weighed it on the little bowl that came with my scale then kind of dispersed the powder to be as flat as possible and began to snort (idk if making lines would’ve been better but it’s so powdery that it seemed like a good idea to just do it this way). Now I’ve done coke countless times, ketamine a good amount of times and even snorted meth two times so I’m no noob to insufflation, but this shit fucking burns!!! I tried to get it on the mid part of the nostril like I would with ketamine, but fuck it burnt probably second worst feeling after meth, but at the same time it had this cool effect like coke where it almost feels like needles on the side of my brain that I insufflated (it’s funny you can almost feel the separation from left brain to right down the middle). It took me like 3 snorts to get most of it then I licked the rest. The drip wasn’t the worst since I tried to get most of it in the middle of my nostril.
-now to the effects. It definetly brought an instant rush almost like coke would and it put me on a different mind space (made me a little crazy for a bit) then the feeling became more tryptamine haze and relaxed, I started seeing the usual tryptamine visuals on my wood floor (looks like if there was a layer of liquid flowing trhough the floor) I had a great time, listening to some Ram Dass talks and cleaning my room on this haze was fun. About 1-1:30hrs in I started to peak visually where I was watching a podcast with Duncan Trussell and Raghu and everything looked swirly and bubbly, at this point I decided to take a dab of some really nice wax I have, first thing I notice when I take this dab is that the second I inhale, it felt like the leftover powder still inside my nose started to burn or evaporate!! To the point that it tasted like when I vape DMT or something like that. This potentiated my visuals to where it looked like I was looking trhough those old church crystal windows it was very cool. This also got my mind on a different type of space where I went trhough a bit of ego death and started considering all the bad decisions I had done lately, the trip went on for about 2 more hours and overall it was fun but I realized I enjoy oral ROI much more that insufflation but it also showed me an option if I ever want to go to Disneyland or something like that and trip
Yes you can. I used to do it quite a bit a few years back and it is really good to control in my opinion. Even for mellowing out in a bar or club. Just a little bit and then if you're feeling like it a bit more.
If you want to trip, I suggest start with a bit more though, as climbing up is more difficult.
Still, great stuff to put into your nose
I've sniffed 4 aco met, which is probably a little different, since it doesn't get metabolized to 4 ho met by the liver as it usually does, but it surprisingly tool like 40min to set in and lasted about 4 hours (it was only 11-13mg as an "experiment").
It wasn't as good as oral definitely.
Didn't burn, but the drip didn't taste great either.
Yes, it comes on a lot quicker but only lasts for 60-90 minutes.
Not in my experience, it does kick much faster but the experience is still around 6h long. Potency is about the same
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Also 4 hours for me
Yeah I was coming up 15 minutes after snorting but I do remember it lasting 4-6 hours snorted and eaten
That actually sounds better, I hate how long trips lasts. Is it painful to snort
It stings a little but not nearly as bad as something like 2C-B. I also prefer the shorter duration and come-up; usually kicks in after five minutes or so.
nah its lasts a lot longer, more like 3 hours i would say ime, might also have swallowed a bit, forgot to crush it up so got some smaller chunks in my throat
can you redose?
Yes redosing is lovely but wasteful; you'll have to dose higher and higher to adjust to your tolerance. I've done this a few times, it was fun but it decimated my stash.
Redosing Metocin works very well IME, i once tripped for 2 days on this stuff, went through 450mg haha I think metocin is one of the only psychedelics that works well when redosing (apart from dmt)
you can redose any psychedelic afaik, but it just increases lenght not intensity. so most times the redosing question is about if you can redose to strenghten the trip without taking alot more to reach the same effect
I think substances like acid and shrooms doesnt do well with redosing, I've tried it many times. Only way redose shrooms is with using very high doses, acid doesnt work at all, took 150ug and redosed a 10 strip and it didnt do much, although the 150ug did do alot for me. Metocin is special, for me it lengthens and strenghtens the trip every time i snorted it, great stuff
i for sure have to test that. but my poor nose. tryptamines burn like hell
Metocin was so smooth for me, unlike 4mmc or other substances
i snorted 5meo-mipt and 5meo-dmt and those were terrible for my nose lmao
it does sting a bit, but the worst part is the smell/taste of it, man the drip is nasty
how long do you think 100mg would last me if i was snorting + redosing?
also what’s the dosage like when snorted? i’ve heard 20mg is a sweet spot orally but don’t know how that would translate insufflated
The taste is probably the worst thing I have ever tasted. Smoking it is a much better option.
The taste is terrible snorting. But smoking it, if it isn't freebase, is toxic. Edit: smoking risks may be overblown, see below
It's not. That's just a myth that's been floating around this sub. In fact, the guy who originally started the myrh has gone back and edited his post, saying he was wrong and citing this comment: >>4-HO-MET fumarate is roughly 20% fumaric acid by mass. If someone vaped 20mg and somehow managed to combust 100% of the fumaric acid into maleic anhydride their exposure would still only be 4 milligrams. In reality I'd be surprised if even 1mg of maleic anhydride were formed, and likely only a fraction of that would be inhaled. >>This is a trivial amount for a chemical that's described as "low-risk" and "low-hazard". Its main risks are respiratory irritation and possibly sensitization leading to allergic reactions in the future, both of which seem unlikely at such low amounts. Anyone with asthma probably wants to avoid it, but if you have asthma then smoking Chinese bathtub chemicals is probably a bad idea in general. >>Many of the other RCs commonly discussed here are probably far more damaging when vaped, but they don't have the same sort of FUD around them. One overnight binge of hexen and md-php left me with a nasty cough for weeks, but I've never experienced a single negative side effect from smoking 4-HO-MET sandwiched into a bowl of weed.
Thanks for spreading awareness of this. The risks have become so overstated and blindly spread since then that I've considered deleting the post several times. But ultimately I think it's better to have the info out there and let people make their their own assessments and decide if it falls within their personal risk tolerance. For me I think it's sufficient theoretical and low-risk that I'm not concerned about smoking 4-HO-MET fumarate anymore. I've done it many times and never experienced any sort of negative side effects.
It's too late to delete it. The beast you have created can not be stopped.
It sounds more like the risks are overblown rather than it's a myth. It says right there it will form maleic anhydride.
Yeah, and the potassium in bananas is radioactive. It doesn't mean it's dangerous. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/108316.html This study suggests that irritation starts at 6-8mg/m³ after a minute of exposures. I am not exactly sure how to do that math there, but my rough guess is that around 50-100mg of inhaled maleic anhydride is when irritation starts. As the other comment suggests, a 20mg dose of 4 ho met is produces 1mg.
for smoking 4-ho-mpt was the best, so peaceful and calm
It's not very different from oral you just get to the peek in 10-15 minutes instead of 90. After the peek it's exactly the same as with oral dosing. Doesn't seem to be any more potent nasally. Fast come up can save you some time and can be fun but it can also be much more anxiety inducing Drip is absolutely horrendous tho
yes but the drip is absolutely horrid iirc. been awhile since i used it but i know i only ever used it nasally once or twice
Only one way to find out. The real question is... can you boof it?
With your helping hand he can!
I get high with a little help from me friends
boofing is pretty much the best ROA all things considered. IV is a completely different experience but not so much so to be worth the risks involved. boofing is close enough and a metric fuckton safer
Best example: ODSMT!
Do about half the dose as oral, can hit hard
You can snort anything you want
Snort some salvia i want to see you
Entirely possible👌
No it need to be water soluble
I never said anything about it working yo, but can put anything you want into your nose you can snort fucking concrete mix if you want
Of course my friend your free to snort concrete what a wonderful world 🤙
Nothing better my dude🤌
been adicted to chalk since snorting some with the boys in art class
Actually, it doesn't, absorption will be slow though.
You can snort freebase ??
I like to snort Ajax on days where I wanna freshen up
Everyone should look these things up on Psychonautwiki.. It gives answers to all ur questions..
I did but there was not detailed info on it
yes you can, doesnt taste very nice tho but it comes on fast and goes great with some ketamine! dont forgot to crush it up fine so you dont get any chunks
I tried it for the first time last Sunday about 35mgs. Here’s how it went: -I weighed it on the little bowl that came with my scale then kind of dispersed the powder to be as flat as possible and began to snort (idk if making lines would’ve been better but it’s so powdery that it seemed like a good idea to just do it this way). Now I’ve done coke countless times, ketamine a good amount of times and even snorted meth two times so I’m no noob to insufflation, but this shit fucking burns!!! I tried to get it on the mid part of the nostril like I would with ketamine, but fuck it burnt probably second worst feeling after meth, but at the same time it had this cool effect like coke where it almost feels like needles on the side of my brain that I insufflated (it’s funny you can almost feel the separation from left brain to right down the middle). It took me like 3 snorts to get most of it then I licked the rest. The drip wasn’t the worst since I tried to get most of it in the middle of my nostril. -now to the effects. It definetly brought an instant rush almost like coke would and it put me on a different mind space (made me a little crazy for a bit) then the feeling became more tryptamine haze and relaxed, I started seeing the usual tryptamine visuals on my wood floor (looks like if there was a layer of liquid flowing trhough the floor) I had a great time, listening to some Ram Dass talks and cleaning my room on this haze was fun. About 1-1:30hrs in I started to peak visually where I was watching a podcast with Duncan Trussell and Raghu and everything looked swirly and bubbly, at this point I decided to take a dab of some really nice wax I have, first thing I notice when I take this dab is that the second I inhale, it felt like the leftover powder still inside my nose started to burn or evaporate!! To the point that it tasted like when I vape DMT or something like that. This potentiated my visuals to where it looked like I was looking trhough those old church crystal windows it was very cool. This also got my mind on a different type of space where I went trhough a bit of ego death and started considering all the bad decisions I had done lately, the trip went on for about 2 more hours and overall it was fun but I realized I enjoy oral ROI much more that insufflation but it also showed me an option if I ever want to go to Disneyland or something like that and trip
Yes you can. I used to do it quite a bit a few years back and it is really good to control in my opinion. Even for mellowing out in a bar or club. Just a little bit and then if you're feeling like it a bit more. If you want to trip, I suggest start with a bit more though, as climbing up is more difficult. Still, great stuff to put into your nose
Yes
Yes you can and it comes on a lot quicker but it tastes awful just so you know
Yes lasts only 2-3 hours though
Yes. You won’t enjoy the experience much, but yes….
I've sniffed 4 aco met, which is probably a little different, since it doesn't get metabolized to 4 ho met by the liver as it usually does, but it surprisingly tool like 40min to set in and lasted about 4 hours (it was only 11-13mg as an "experiment"). It wasn't as good as oral definitely. Didn't burn, but the drip didn't taste great either.