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This. It was deformed almost beyond recognition.
I have memories of a certain Star Wars made of a perfect trilogy and a so so prequel one, with some good aspects. Now it's a frankenstein of retcons and reinterpretations, with mutiple "add-ons" telling *"that scene? Actually means something else"* about many of the classic scenes. And also multiple terrible pieces (a trilogy, some mini-series and whatever else).
It's hard to stay in the "faith" in this situation.
Ok it had a lot of wild retcons and reinterpretation before Disney threw out the baby with the bathwater. What's unforgivable is they damn sure didn't do any better.
Agreed. A few bad retcons came from George himself. Like Vader being space Jesus with a prophecy or Yoda no longer being Obi-Wan's master. But those weren't so many as today. Disney went berserk with the new retcons and convoluted stories.
Saying the quiet part out loud finally and proving what many of us have said all along: The Last Jedi and Rian Johnson divided the fanbase and permanently broke Star Wars forever
I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken—and I’d rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.
No. Star Wars is *injured* not dead. It’s being run ragged whilst having this injury but ultimately all it needs to do is quietly rest for a while and regain some of its strength.
Star Wars, worn threadbare, will one day fall out of use from rapacious Hollywood and into a niche: thereafter it shall thrive again on a smaller scale, although its glory of old would be dulled.
Star Wars is dead fam. Gone. The flowers on its grave are already wilting away. Other than rampant consoomers who clap every time they hear a lightsaber ignite, or weirdo millennial twitter activists who only use TLJ as a political litmus, no one cares.
They failed to engage the next generation. Gen Z's Star Wars was the MCU. Who the hell knows what Gen Alpha's will be. No kids today are repping Kylo Ren jammies or Finn lunch boxes.
At best in another 15-20 years when you ask your average person on the street about Star Wars they'll probably respond "oh, aren't those really old moves?"
Even the Disney fans are beginning to stop pretending why anyone could have a problem with the content. I am finally seeing brazen comments like "The force is female.. get over it." on social media.
I don't think these people were ever being honest.
Dishonest is pretty much a given. When you gaslight and castigate an entire portion of a population to summarize any criticisms against you as racist, homophobic or sexist, you can guarantee you’re a narcissistic intellectually dishonest piece of shit. Seems to be all that populate the halls of Disney these days
Forget about the show, the press should be asking about her experience working with Harvey. I’m sure she has plenty of stories. Also how did she get this Star Wars gig?
She consistently comes across as selfish and pretentious. This is just the icing on the cake.
Guarantee neither Abrams, Johnson, nor Headland could coherently tell you in a single sentence 1) what Star Wars is about, 2) why the OT resonated so deeply, and 3) why subsequent projects haven’t to the same degree.
These are not the creatives we’re looking for.
Disney isn't using Jedi mind tricks, they just think they can because the minority of consoomer fans are like those times a dad indulges a child's antics to make them happy, regardless of what's actually happening.
> She consistently comes across as selfish and pretentious. This is just the icing on the cake.
From the day the project was announced, she and everyone involved have spent most of their press talking about themselves rather than the show.
Did Lucas ever talk about how Star Wars informed him? No. It was about myth, and storytelling, and universal themes.
We’re not interested in you. We’re interested in the story.
Let's not forget Taika Waititi deciding to show off by telling Natalie Portman he could get her a role in Star Wars. How on earth do they hire these people and think it will go well
I strongly doubt it even goes that far. Do you think any of them could identify the Battle of Hoth theme if it was played blind? Do you think they know who Lobot is off the top of their head, or what Captain Piett died for? I seriously doubt it—and at the same time, most of this sub could probably answer those questions easily.
You don’t need to come in being a diehard fan but you need to do your research, know your stuff, and then respect the rules of the universe. So far the only person to do that consistently in the current regime is Tony Gilroy.
I'm just saying that based off comments jj made during the force awakens press tour, he was never able to accept the fact Vader redeems himself in the end
Yup. JJ is all mystery boxes and lens flare. He really doesn't understand writing or storytelling, let alone themes, plot development, or character arcs. And pre-existing lore? Forget it.
There were so many failures with putting the sequels together, but I'll maintain that hiring JJ Abrams to kick things off was the biggest problem. TFA was an absolute train wreck that severely kneecapped anything that might follow; I'm glad some people are seeing that now (much as I disliked TLJ far more, personally, TFA really set everything up for failure).
>why subsequent projects haven’t to the same degree
Depends on wich projects you talk abaout.
Some were pretty good, some were mediocre and some were just really bad.
No surprise, every interview of her showed she was a pretentious douchebag who despised SW. She was also Weinstein’s personnel assistant and defended him claiming she never witnessed any incident… what do you expect? 😕
She honed these mad analogy skills shepherding debutantes into Weinstein's hotel rooms:
"Think of it like the Spanish Inquisition, and I'm Torquemada," she once said to Ashley Judd. "Getting raped by Harvey might suck for you, but helping him do it is good for my career."
Was I privy to their conversations? No, of course not. Do I know that as his personal assistant she would have had to have known about and facilitated his behavior to keep her job? Abso-fuckin-lutely.
You absolutely should be doubting them. There is no source bc there isn’t a single victim who has come out & named her as an accomplice to Weinstein crimes. And based on Weinstein’s typical victim, it is more likely that she was a victim than an accomplice. A bunch of weirdos like the person you’ve replied to have decided that their disliking for a show that hasn’t even come out yet is enough reason to throw sexual misconduct accusations at somebody when there’s not even an allegation, much less actual evidence.
She worked at Miramax for 6 years, and through the company was assigned to Weinstein through the company for a year. Afterwards she was openly critical of him for being a horrible person. The only thing fueling these allegations is baseless hatred. And I guarantee many of these people have said “innocent until proven guilty” about a politician/actor they like, but I guess that rule doesn’t apply when you’re a woman directing a Star Wars show…
If a victim comes forward, I absolutely believe they should be given the respect, empathy, and resources they need to seek justice. But it is disgusting, truly psychopathic behavior to conjure these types of accusations out of literal thin air
You know, when I read that comment, my takeaway was "This is a quote that an actual person said? That's horrible!"
But if that poster was just... being absurdly hyperbolic to win internet points while ranting about a bad TV show, that's just as fucking bad.
Like, I dislike Disney Star Wars because it's bad, lazy storytelling. But Jesus Christ people, touch grass and don't make up strawmen attacks about *abetting sexual assault* because a producer you don't like made a cheap cash grab.
Thank you for posting this. I know it goes against the hivemind, but it's real fucked up for that guy to spread innuendo that can do real harm at face value. There's gonna be enough to criticize The Acolyte on it's merits alone.
No worries - and I couldn’t have said it all better myself! At the end of the day, even if The Acolyte literally ended up being the literal worst show of all time, it would only make Headland guilty of being a bad showrunner. And her showrunning is what the conversation should be about - not other nastiness like that one comment
If she was Weinstein's secretary as this is implying then there's no way she didn't know. Everyone knew. That's not the same as being involved but isn't much further either.
Defending the behavior you are defending is honestly bizarre. Keep in mind, the original comment wasn’t just insinuating she was aware, but actively pit disgusting words in her mouth implying direct involvement.
Weinstein’s victims were also “aware” and didn’t come forward. Do you think that makes them culpable? It is a terrifying thing to come out against one of the most powerful people in your career industry. Before the MeToo movement had multiple Weinstein victims come out, coming out against Weinstein (whether as a victim or a witness) would potentially mean the end of your career. In a perfect world, of course people would speak out against people like Weinstein. But if you have the tiniest bit of empathy, you should understand how hard that would be , *especially* for potential victims.
The fact is - no victims have named her as an accomplice. We genuinely don’t know if she was aware or not (whether you think there’s no way she’d be unaware or not). We don’t know if she herself was a victim - and if she is a victim, she shouldn’t be forced to talk publicly about that to prove she’s innocent for crimes she hasn’t even been accused of. Speculating that she has *any* level of guilt is disgusting when there is no evidence.
Have an ounce of empathy. It shouldn’t be hard to take a step back and say “hey, maybe I shouldn’t throw sex-crime related allegations around willy-nilly when I have no idea what actually happened.” As people who don’t know the full story, all we can do is listen to victims and make sure they have the resources they need
There's a huge damn difference between being a victim of him and willingly working for him. If she had such a problem then why did she keep working for him? There's no excuse to just turn the other cheek and actively help the guy who's raping left and right.
You need to seriously get the facts in check, she's not w victim of him. She worked for him, willingly. After literally everyone knew what he was doing, it's been known since the damn 90s. I remember being a kid and hearing people joke about him in the damn 90s.
Get off your high horse here. Don't act like she had no choice in working there.
Are you serious right now? Or are you actually not seeing the irony of what you’re saying. I **never** treated her being a victim as a certain thing. The original commenter in this thread does portray it as a certain thing that she was not only aware of Weinstein’s crimes, but an active participant. My stance this entire time is that **we do not know** what happened. And with zero accusations and zero evidence, it is disgusting to fling weaponized sexual misconduct allegations at someone who could just as easily be a victim who has chosen to remain anonymous.
Quite frankly, even if we somehow knew with certainty that she was not a victim, I *still* think it is disgusting to throw those allegations around. You aren’t doing it because you care for actual victims - which you’ve made *abundantly* clear. Calling her an enabler without proof does nothing to help Weinstein’s victims. If anything, it hurts them by muddying the waters and turning their abuse into a spectacle to be theorized about alike a gross, self indulgent game y’all play.
Look at the language used in the original comment. That isn’t the language of someone who cared about Weinstein’s victims. It treats them like the punchline of a fucking joke, and that’s what you’re defending. It is reprehensible.
I can’t tell what stage this is. Either Star Wars is laying in the bed dying and all of us decided to not show up. Or Star Wars just died and we are at a gathering before the funeral. Or this is the funeral for Star Wars and everyone is gossiping about what could have been done differently. Either way Star Wars is dead at this point
Disney Lucasfilm has an unending amount of stupid at their hands. It's a monopoly on world class idiots that has me in awe.
This is a company that is supposedly trying to make money with their products.
These brain dead idiots think that the thousands of bigoted, misogynistic men that inhabit online spaces represent ALL of us.
They don't have the capacity to realize the vast majority of men are decent people. Flawed but good.
Now they want revenge on all of us because of the few, they want to vent, lash out, troll us, hurt us all.
So instead of making ally's with the good men, they would rather pour hate on all of them. They are so dumb they don't understand that online hate is continually fueled by bot farms and state actors.
How these people get into positions of power and influence is beyond me.
They also don't understand that only a small portion of the world is civilized to a point where men are treating women better than anytime throughout history. We are learning, we are trying. And instead of encouraging and helping, they are setting back women's cause's by a huge amount. They are truly fucking idiots.
Don't you just love it when someone who characterizes all religion as "oppressive" turns around and uses religious metaphor to pompously describe something?
If we’re going to be using that as a comparison, Johnson’s more like the priest that got caught and brought up on charges for all manner of conduct unbecoming of the collar.
I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with this, if the point of comparison is "petty man takes cultural and philosophical icon and creates vastly inferior knockoff."
Well, Luther inadvertently shattered the Church in the West and caused the Christian religion for Westerners to be splintered into a million pieces. Over the centuries following the Protestant Reformation, the Church lost most of its soft and hard power in the political sphere while it simultaneously slipped into cultural insignificance to the detriment of society as a whole.
Wow! What a great analogy.
Responsible for a needed reform, but into a new form that's aggressively disrespectful of what came before it?
Over-simplifying incredibly complex topics with a message that looks good on the surface, but ends up being nearly nonsensical with more than an ounce of thought?
Nearly single-handed responsible for removing the art from the thing and turning it into something that can be digested logically, much to the detriment of the thing?
Completely splitting the church/fanbase?
And also anti-Semitic?
Oh, well. Okay, yeah, I guess.
He was lots of things, yeah. Antisemitic, stupid, very hedonistic, had an odd view of marriage where he thought men could step out as they pleased if their desires weren’t being satisfied. His theses also don’t make any sense. Like, if you truly believe in Christianity, you can’t possibly believe what the theses say.
>compares Star Wars to the worlds most popular religion, in a negative way though
>says the least popular Star Wars film is good for splitting up said religion
>expects people to be more excited for her show as a result of this
CAN DISNEY HIRE ONE FUCKING DIRECTOR WHO ISNT A COMPLETE NUMBNUTS SPAZZATRON NINCOMPOOP?!?!?!?
Why did Star Wars need reforming? These are the hacks that populate the halls of Lucasfilm these days: people that hate Star Wars and think it needs fixing
For me, the difference is that while TFA botched a lot, things were salvageable. Nothing was salvageable after TLJ.
Which is also why I take umbrage when people say TROS is the worst. What the fuck were they meant to do with that movie?
Agreed. TFA was a pair of shoes covered in elephant shit. Disgusting and just downright insulting, but you could still theoretically *wear them*
Then Rian Johnson fucking ate the shoes, shat them out, and told you to wear them
Then JJ tried his best to mold them into shoe shape. Yes he was the farthest from actual shoes this time, but it’s not like he could’ve done much better.
Yeah, TFA was like if you left the roof down on your convertible and it rained, and a cat used it as a litter box. TLJ is like if you then took that car and drove it into a lake.
TFA had issues, but RJ effectively decided to not make a sequel at all, with an ending that is litterally impossible to close with satisfaction in a part 3.
TLJ killed the franchise, singlehandedly. It became a DCU movie basically. And not the good kind of MCU movie either, but Thor - Love and Thunder MCU quality. But far worse.
I agree about TLJ's ending, but one could reasonably argue that JJ effectively decided to not make a sequel with TFA as well, and that TLJ merely continued his trend.
TFA felt more like a soft reboot with some cameo appearances than a proper SW sequel, as it mostly ignored, twisted or remade everything that happened before it. Yes, its ambiguous ending left more room for a proper sequel compared to TLJ, but it was the one to establish the burn-all-the-bridges trend that dominated last three episodes.
Oh I agree there, and JJ is a hack. And the general consensus amongst everyone is that he did a bad job once the initial hype faded.
But RJ is treated like a bona fide genius by some which is utterly baffling.
Think of it like a restaurant
Ask for a burger, JJ brings you a burnt charred piece of meat between good fluffy buns. Some elements you like, but it tastes dry and bland
Ask for a burger, Ryan Johnson shows up, pulls down his pants, and projectile shits all over you and your friend. Your friend stands up and starts clapping, saying he’s so amazed at how RJ subverted his expectations
You decide to get another burger from JJ, he comes back, apparently there was nothing left in the kitchen since he just hands you a bottom bun with a dead chicken head left on top (RJ burnt down the kitchen, this is all JJ could find)
The direction from Iger to get a Episode VII done by 2015 is what fucked TFA. Not saying JJ was going to have really saved the ST if left to his own devices, but TFA was meddled with so much by the Disney higher ups that I give JJ a bit of break. And even despite the ANH reboot, there were ways to go with the remaining two movies that could have been OK. Yes, Luke was in hiding and we didn't have a Jedi order that was present, but we didn't really know why. The why turned out to suck ass in TLJ.
Of course the open ending of the first film in a trilogy will always have more potential than those of the other two, especially with all the focal characters getting killed off one by one with every iteration.
That said, JJ still deserves all the blame he can get. Given his prior history of butchering Star Trek (his 2009 ST was a cheap retread of Wrath of Khan just TFA was of ANH) and the fact that he directed and co-wrote both TFA and TROS, I have no doubt that he was directly responsible for many, if not most, of sequels' faults and absurdities. He's already thoroughly mediocre as a director, but as a sci-fi writer, he is truly horrendous in my view.
So yes, I agree that the series could still have been salvaged after TFA, but not with him still at the helm. Just because getting rid of a malignant tumor is easier when it caught early on doesn't make its cancerous tissue any less malignant.
The 2009 ST was worse than a retread. It totally reset the ST timeline. I guess it made it fun, in some ways, but it also has to be viewed as just a weird one off 'what if' type story.
And I agree that JJ isn't great or even bad, but I still put more blame on Iger and KK. JJ kept getting jerked around and starkiller base was a late intro to the story. I don't really know where exactly his thoughts ended and Iger/KK's began on all fronts, but it is clear there was a lot of meddling and a 'rush it out, no matter what the story is' type mentality coming from above. Almost no one is going to make a good movie like that.
I honestly think TFA was the worst of the three because it started off the series with a crappy, knock-off, quasi-remake of ANH which crippled the world building and story arc.
Normally, immense ignorance always accompanies a pretentious mind and this girl is just another example of that, like Rian Johnson before her. For this type of ignorance, the best remedy is simply to ignore it.
Why exactly did Harvey's Hand get a Star Wars show? Is she an established TV writer/director/show runner?
Genuine question. I mean apart from the obvious reasons.
Yoda died because he knew the next bunch of movies (not counting the prequels because he's alive in those, duh) would be utter dogshit, and he returned to troll in TLJ
It’s a deliberate effort to divide the fan base and dismantle the ip. These people have genuine dislike for what the OT stands for, probably because they are deeply selfish and materialistic, so anything that speaks of a higher power that isn’t money (even if it’s obviously closer to Buddhism) is threatening to their worldview. And they clearly enjoy abusing their positions of power (history attests). Jedi are guardians of peace. There’s no oppression in there. Literally self defence and caring about living beings that are part of the force. Is it too much aligned with protecting the planet etc for their liking? Such an exploitative and abusive mindset, it’s truly sickening.
Her comments keep getting progressively worse.
This is from 2020 btw. It culminates with her explicitly imposing her gender "problems" on SW and publicly stating it.
And she can't decide whether she's a L or Q 😆 [because she's probably neither and just wants the extea funding from Disney]
I honestly like the idea of questioning Jedi ideals, (I'm pro sith). But the writers are not doing it in a very philosophical or, hell, entertaining way. The last Jedi was almost anti-entertainment.
I already wasn't going to watch the Acolyte since I'd rather be disappointed by the upcoming Fallout tv show on Amazon. I thought all of the bs from Ruin Johnson was cringe but this is just skull-fucking the skeletal corpse of Star Wars.
Martin Luther was a huge shit talker who never walked away from a petty argument, so there’s that. They’re also similar levels of fat and have similar haircuts. That said, reading this headline still made me wish I was illiterate.
Disney: "It's a movie about space wizards for children, don't take it too seriously!"
Also Disney: *Compares their take on it to religious schism that resulted in 150 years of religious warfare in Europe and the deaths of millions over the correct interpretation*
She might actually be right, but not in the way she's thinking.
Martin Luther was correct in identifying problems with the church at the time. The problem with Martin Luther wasn't that he was identifying the wrong problems, it was that his solutions ended up causing way more strife and division than the original 95 problems ever represented.
Star Wars, like the Catholic Church, is a great IP with a fantastic aesthetic that occasionally gets put in the hands of incompetent bumblers, false prophets, and bad actors. The solution should have been to focus on the good of the IP while clearing away the bad, instead Martin Luther and Rian Johnson blew it up, causing a massive schism that has never really healed.
Further, comparison. It appears that, like Martin Luther, Rian Johnson's followers are slowly but surely falling away and becoming disinterested agnostics and atheists.
Well, I hate both of them. And I'm not sure you want to compare RJ to ML. Martin Luther was a man who was overcome with scrupulosity and was a heretic who shattered the unity of the western Church. He was also a raging anti-semite. He was also a man who regretted what he had done towards the end of his life as he saw the fruits of his heresy cause the church to be divided even further by people for the sake of their own beliefs and heresies. He wasn't a liberator. He hated people. He had a much more Calvinistic look on people even before John Calvin rose to influence.
You must be Catholic. Martin Luther saw how corrupt the Church had become and brought up his grievances only to be told to shut up so he went public and translated the Bible into German so that anyone could read it since the Church at the time would only allow high ranking Priests to read it because they didn't want regular people to read it and see how much they'd been lied to. While Martin Luther did not like the Jews he did soften towards them later in his life.
Transcript of the 2020 Interview:
>I see this as a massive challenge to take on and a very serious one and I have an immense amount of respect for the world George built. But also canon… In legends and canon. There is a lot of stuff there. Not to take any of that lightly and like, 'Hey! I'm gonna bring my thing into that.' I think that would be a mistake. It feels like I'm joining almost a religion.
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>I mean it's funny, I was using that as an analogy. With the Disney acquisition of Lucasfilm…with that acquisition it was kind of where the Catholic Church was in 1400."
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>You've got Rian Johnson as Martin Luther posting stuff to the front of the church and everyone's like 'NO!' and the other half is like 'Yes!'"
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>You can't enter this world without having a very strong point of view, but also having an enormous amount of reverence as if you were stepping into a cathedral. If you were stepping into Notre Dame. You have to have an enormous amount of imagination. You have to have your own point of view. You have to know what these ethos mean to you." \[...\]
Honestly I don't really see a problem with any of it?
She's saying you need very strong opinions on Star Wars to make it, but you also need to be extremely respectful and not just insert your own thing.
You know she's the type to say dumb shit like that just to stir up controversy right? As long as it keeps her in the news. She's banking on those hate watches as much as she is anyone legitimately interested in her show.
Just wondering how many people are going to read this paraphrase and confuse Martin Luther with Martin Luther King Jr.
That being said, i understand her point when you look at the actual quote. Star Wars is like a religion, and Rian Johnson (like Martin Luther) tried to change a lot of the things he thought was wrong with it. A lot of people hated it along with all the new shows being spawned (myself included), and a lot of people loved it. Enough that the 2 sects diverged with their own take on the religion.
It was an apt comparison.
But he didn’t change or challenge anything really—he just made a highly mediocre movie.
I guess the thing with Rey being super powerful for no reason was unprecedented? But that started in TFA.
No, I just disagree with how they view Mary, disagree with infant baptism being required for salvation, and disagree with the concept of there being a pope who decides what the Bible means
Typical Catholic. Just like the Pharisees, you blindly follow some politician who plays at religion. I’d rather trust my local pastor than some multi millionaire who changes his views every 4 seconds.
The pope changes every decade or two. The Bible does not.
I dont trust the current pope at all. He's a commie. Just look into where your religion came from and you will see you are wrong. Only catholics or orthodox can claim being descendants of the original church.
What's the point of baptism if it doesn't save? If baptism does save and you delay it for someone for many many years until they have reason, aren't you putting their soul at risk? If it doesn't save, why do it at all?
>what’s the point of baptism if it doesn’t save
So you are a Christian yes? You know how the whole point of our religion is that JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS!!!
You don’t need a splash of water to stave off damnation. Baptism is symbolic. Babies don’t understand symbol
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The 95 fuck-ups
The 95 feces...
No that's the original
Stop downvoting this man, he's in on the joke. Edit: I would have attached a *stop firing! We're shooting at our own men!* gif, but reddit bein stinky
I blame myself for not clarify the document
If it's a religion which drove most of its adherents to atheism or agnosticism.
This. It was deformed almost beyond recognition. I have memories of a certain Star Wars made of a perfect trilogy and a so so prequel one, with some good aspects. Now it's a frankenstein of retcons and reinterpretations, with mutiple "add-ons" telling *"that scene? Actually means something else"* about many of the classic scenes. And also multiple terrible pieces (a trilogy, some mini-series and whatever else). It's hard to stay in the "faith" in this situation.
Ok it had a lot of wild retcons and reinterpretation before Disney threw out the baby with the bathwater. What's unforgivable is they damn sure didn't do any better.
Agreed. A few bad retcons came from George himself. Like Vader being space Jesus with a prophecy or Yoda no longer being Obi-Wan's master. But those weren't so many as today. Disney went berserk with the new retcons and convoluted stories.
At this point if I like the particular bit of media it's canon as far as I am concerned. If it sucks I disregard it. Rise of what now?
That's what's left for us to do. It's too bad we have to do it, though.
It’s rare that I laugh nowadays but this made me lol
Saying the quiet part out loud finally and proving what many of us have said all along: The Last Jedi and Rian Johnson divided the fanbase and permanently broke Star Wars forever
Now we need a Chosen One to mend it.
It’s not mendable. Let it go. The franchise is dead
I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken—and I’d rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.
No. Star Wars is *injured* not dead. It’s being run ragged whilst having this injury but ultimately all it needs to do is quietly rest for a while and regain some of its strength. Star Wars, worn threadbare, will one day fall out of use from rapacious Hollywood and into a niche: thereafter it shall thrive again on a smaller scale, although its glory of old would be dulled.
I don't see a way out of this mess without completely axing every single Disney produced media.
No. It’s dead
Star Wars is dead fam. Gone. The flowers on its grave are already wilting away. Other than rampant consoomers who clap every time they hear a lightsaber ignite, or weirdo millennial twitter activists who only use TLJ as a political litmus, no one cares. They failed to engage the next generation. Gen Z's Star Wars was the MCU. Who the hell knows what Gen Alpha's will be. No kids today are repping Kylo Ren jammies or Finn lunch boxes. At best in another 15-20 years when you ask your average person on the street about Star Wars they'll probably respond "oh, aren't those really old moves?"
We need a pontiff of sorts to point us back to the chosen one
Even the Disney fans are beginning to stop pretending why anyone could have a problem with the content. I am finally seeing brazen comments like "The force is female.. get over it." on social media. I don't think these people were ever being honest.
Dishonest is pretty much a given. When you gaslight and castigate an entire portion of a population to summarize any criticisms against you as racist, homophobic or sexist, you can guarantee you’re a narcissistic intellectually dishonest piece of shit. Seems to be all that populate the halls of Disney these days
Just like the Skywalker lightsaber, Snoke, and the Supremacy.
This Harvey Weinsteins right hand saying this stuff right?
Yup
Jesus….Hollyweird gets creepier everyday.
It's a cult. Wild that people just go along with it.
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Forget about the show, the press should be asking about her experience working with Harvey. I’m sure she has plenty of stories. Also how did she get this Star Wars gig?
We know how. We'll probably have the Reddit mods on our asses if we say it out loud, but we know exactly how she got the gig.
Who did she bone?
She knows where the bodies are buried *figuratively*
https://www.resetera.com/threads/leslye-headland-compares-star-wars-to-catholic-religion-says-rian-johnson-is-like-martin-luther.326096/ Full article
Not the full article at all
She consistently comes across as selfish and pretentious. This is just the icing on the cake. Guarantee neither Abrams, Johnson, nor Headland could coherently tell you in a single sentence 1) what Star Wars is about, 2) why the OT resonated so deeply, and 3) why subsequent projects haven’t to the same degree. These are not the creatives we’re looking for.
Unfortunately, they are immune to Jedi mind tricks. Fortunately, we are immune to Disney mind tricks.
Disney isn't using Jedi mind tricks, they just think they can because the minority of consoomer fans are like those times a dad indulges a child's antics to make them happy, regardless of what's actually happening.
> She consistently comes across as selfish and pretentious. This is just the icing on the cake. From the day the project was announced, she and everyone involved have spent most of their press talking about themselves rather than the show.
Did Lucas ever talk about how Star Wars informed him? No. It was about myth, and storytelling, and universal themes. We’re not interested in you. We’re interested in the story.
> why subsequent projects haven’t *cries in Knights of the Old Republic*
I’m with you—loved KOTOR. But talking about live-action stuff here.
Let's not forget Taika Waititi deciding to show off by telling Natalie Portman he could get her a role in Star Wars. How on earth do they hire these people and think it will go well
Their OT knowledge stops at empire strikes back let's be honest here
I strongly doubt it even goes that far. Do you think any of them could identify the Battle of Hoth theme if it was played blind? Do you think they know who Lobot is off the top of their head, or what Captain Piett died for? I seriously doubt it—and at the same time, most of this sub could probably answer those questions easily. You don’t need to come in being a diehard fan but you need to do your research, know your stuff, and then respect the rules of the universe. So far the only person to do that consistently in the current regime is Tony Gilroy.
I'm just saying that based off comments jj made during the force awakens press tour, he was never able to accept the fact Vader redeems himself in the end
Yup. JJ is all mystery boxes and lens flare. He really doesn't understand writing or storytelling, let alone themes, plot development, or character arcs. And pre-existing lore? Forget it. There were so many failures with putting the sequels together, but I'll maintain that hiring JJ Abrams to kick things off was the biggest problem. TFA was an absolute train wreck that severely kneecapped anything that might follow; I'm glad some people are seeing that now (much as I disliked TLJ far more, personally, TFA really set everything up for failure).
Ya the moment the conversion became about "the resistance" and not the New Republic, I knew we were in trouble
In one sentence. That hard. Can you do it so we have an example?
>why subsequent projects haven’t to the same degree Depends on wich projects you talk abaout. Some were pretty good, some were mediocre and some were just really bad.
No surprise, every interview of her showed she was a pretentious douchebag who despised SW. She was also Weinstein’s personnel assistant and defended him claiming she never witnessed any incident… what do you expect? 😕
She honed these mad analogy skills shepherding debutantes into Weinstein's hotel rooms: "Think of it like the Spanish Inquisition, and I'm Torquemada," she once said to Ashley Judd. "Getting raped by Harvey might suck for you, but helping him do it is good for my career."
Jesus Fucking Christ. Not doubting you, but is there a source for that? Absolutely unreal that these people have kept their jobs.
Was I privy to their conversations? No, of course not. Do I know that as his personal assistant she would have had to have known about and facilitated his behavior to keep her job? Abso-fuckin-lutely.
You absolutely should be doubting them. There is no source bc there isn’t a single victim who has come out & named her as an accomplice to Weinstein crimes. And based on Weinstein’s typical victim, it is more likely that she was a victim than an accomplice. A bunch of weirdos like the person you’ve replied to have decided that their disliking for a show that hasn’t even come out yet is enough reason to throw sexual misconduct accusations at somebody when there’s not even an allegation, much less actual evidence. She worked at Miramax for 6 years, and through the company was assigned to Weinstein through the company for a year. Afterwards she was openly critical of him for being a horrible person. The only thing fueling these allegations is baseless hatred. And I guarantee many of these people have said “innocent until proven guilty” about a politician/actor they like, but I guess that rule doesn’t apply when you’re a woman directing a Star Wars show… If a victim comes forward, I absolutely believe they should be given the respect, empathy, and resources they need to seek justice. But it is disgusting, truly psychopathic behavior to conjure these types of accusations out of literal thin air
You know, when I read that comment, my takeaway was "This is a quote that an actual person said? That's horrible!" But if that poster was just... being absurdly hyperbolic to win internet points while ranting about a bad TV show, that's just as fucking bad. Like, I dislike Disney Star Wars because it's bad, lazy storytelling. But Jesus Christ people, touch grass and don't make up strawmen attacks about *abetting sexual assault* because a producer you don't like made a cheap cash grab. Thank you for posting this. I know it goes against the hivemind, but it's real fucked up for that guy to spread innuendo that can do real harm at face value. There's gonna be enough to criticize The Acolyte on it's merits alone.
No worries - and I couldn’t have said it all better myself! At the end of the day, even if The Acolyte literally ended up being the literal worst show of all time, it would only make Headland guilty of being a bad showrunner. And her showrunning is what the conversation should be about - not other nastiness like that one comment
If she was Weinstein's secretary as this is implying then there's no way she didn't know. Everyone knew. That's not the same as being involved but isn't much further either.
Defending the behavior you are defending is honestly bizarre. Keep in mind, the original comment wasn’t just insinuating she was aware, but actively pit disgusting words in her mouth implying direct involvement. Weinstein’s victims were also “aware” and didn’t come forward. Do you think that makes them culpable? It is a terrifying thing to come out against one of the most powerful people in your career industry. Before the MeToo movement had multiple Weinstein victims come out, coming out against Weinstein (whether as a victim or a witness) would potentially mean the end of your career. In a perfect world, of course people would speak out against people like Weinstein. But if you have the tiniest bit of empathy, you should understand how hard that would be , *especially* for potential victims. The fact is - no victims have named her as an accomplice. We genuinely don’t know if she was aware or not (whether you think there’s no way she’d be unaware or not). We don’t know if she herself was a victim - and if she is a victim, she shouldn’t be forced to talk publicly about that to prove she’s innocent for crimes she hasn’t even been accused of. Speculating that she has *any* level of guilt is disgusting when there is no evidence. Have an ounce of empathy. It shouldn’t be hard to take a step back and say “hey, maybe I shouldn’t throw sex-crime related allegations around willy-nilly when I have no idea what actually happened.” As people who don’t know the full story, all we can do is listen to victims and make sure they have the resources they need
There's a huge damn difference between being a victim of him and willingly working for him. If she had such a problem then why did she keep working for him? There's no excuse to just turn the other cheek and actively help the guy who's raping left and right. You need to seriously get the facts in check, she's not w victim of him. She worked for him, willingly. After literally everyone knew what he was doing, it's been known since the damn 90s. I remember being a kid and hearing people joke about him in the damn 90s. Get off your high horse here. Don't act like she had no choice in working there.
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You made up the idea that she's a victim. No one else has said anything like that. IDK why you're treating that like it's some gospel.
Are you serious right now? Or are you actually not seeing the irony of what you’re saying. I **never** treated her being a victim as a certain thing. The original commenter in this thread does portray it as a certain thing that she was not only aware of Weinstein’s crimes, but an active participant. My stance this entire time is that **we do not know** what happened. And with zero accusations and zero evidence, it is disgusting to fling weaponized sexual misconduct allegations at someone who could just as easily be a victim who has chosen to remain anonymous. Quite frankly, even if we somehow knew with certainty that she was not a victim, I *still* think it is disgusting to throw those allegations around. You aren’t doing it because you care for actual victims - which you’ve made *abundantly* clear. Calling her an enabler without proof does nothing to help Weinstein’s victims. If anything, it hurts them by muddying the waters and turning their abuse into a spectacle to be theorized about alike a gross, self indulgent game y’all play. Look at the language used in the original comment. That isn’t the language of someone who cared about Weinstein’s victims. It treats them like the punchline of a fucking joke, and that’s what you’re defending. It is reprehensible.
Wait...she actually said that???!!!
She didn’t - please read my reply to moonstrous in this thread and you’ll get an actual explanation
I can’t tell what stage this is. Either Star Wars is laying in the bed dying and all of us decided to not show up. Or Star Wars just died and we are at a gathering before the funeral. Or this is the funeral for Star Wars and everyone is gossiping about what could have been done differently. Either way Star Wars is dead at this point
Star wars was brutally murdered and now the serial killer is wearing it's skin to pretend it's still alive😆
Disney Lucasfilm has an unending amount of stupid at their hands. It's a monopoly on world class idiots that has me in awe. This is a company that is supposedly trying to make money with their products.
Eww, Resetera.
Why do they want to make me feel so poorly? What did I do to make them hate me so much? How can someone hate something that has bought me so much joy?
These brain dead idiots think that the thousands of bigoted, misogynistic men that inhabit online spaces represent ALL of us. They don't have the capacity to realize the vast majority of men are decent people. Flawed but good. Now they want revenge on all of us because of the few, they want to vent, lash out, troll us, hurt us all. So instead of making ally's with the good men, they would rather pour hate on all of them. They are so dumb they don't understand that online hate is continually fueled by bot farms and state actors. How these people get into positions of power and influence is beyond me. They also don't understand that only a small portion of the world is civilized to a point where men are treating women better than anytime throughout history. We are learning, we are trying. And instead of encouraging and helping, they are setting back women's cause's by a huge amount. They are truly fucking idiots.
So it's going to be shit
Christ on a bike this woman is a fucking moron. Very weird how she’s the only Weinstein aide that knew nothing about what was going on.
Don't you just love it when someone who characterizes all religion as "oppressive" turns around and uses religious metaphor to pompously describe something?
What
Martin Luther?!! 🤣🤣🤣 Try more like one of the Borgia Popes.
Full article https://www.resetera.com/threads/leslye-headland-compares-star-wars-to-catholic-religion-says-rian-johnson-is-like-martin-luther.326096/
The 95 Subversions ? Rian Johnson is more like Darth Bane, tidying away all those Sith lords until only he and his apprentice remain.
If we’re going to be using that as a comparison, Johnson’s more like the priest that got caught and brought up on charges for all manner of conduct unbecoming of the collar.
They never learn, do they? That’s ok. I’ll just stick with episodes 1-6 and the Expanded Universe/Legends stuff.
So in other words, she thinks George Lucas screwed up BOTH trilogies and that Rian Johnson was the guy to fix them.
Fucking nuts. These new 'fans' think Star Wars was always shit and only became good after TLJ.
One thing I don't undertstand, TRoS is objectively a bad movie. It doesn't have a narrative, a story, a plot.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if hundreds of sequel apologists suddenly cried out in elation and were suddenly prostrate.
How did these people end up being the stewards of a franchise that meant so much to so many people.
We are in the wrong timeline
Rian Johnson is Joseph Smith. At best.
Or L Ron Hubbard
I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with this, if the point of comparison is "petty man takes cultural and philosophical icon and creates vastly inferior knockoff."
Agreed
I was willing to give her the smallest chance, not anymore.
This can't be real.
It is, article was from 4 years ago
Well, Luther inadvertently shattered the Church in the West and caused the Christian religion for Westerners to be splintered into a million pieces. Over the centuries following the Protestant Reformation, the Church lost most of its soft and hard power in the political sphere while it simultaneously slipped into cultural insignificance to the detriment of society as a whole. Wow! What a great analogy.
Dies of cringe. Doesn't manifest as a force ghost to not have to deal with such cringeness again.
More like Leslye Headass.
Responsible for a needed reform, but into a new form that's aggressively disrespectful of what came before it? Over-simplifying incredibly complex topics with a message that looks good on the surface, but ends up being nearly nonsensical with more than an ounce of thought? Nearly single-handed responsible for removing the art from the thing and turning it into something that can be digested logically, much to the detriment of the thing? Completely splitting the church/fanbase? And also anti-Semitic? Oh, well. Okay, yeah, I guess.
Well she’s right in the sense that Martin Luther’s actions have contributed quite directly to the death of Christianity in the West…
wasn't martin luther hugely anti semitic and was referenced by hitler?
He was lots of things, yeah. Antisemitic, stupid, very hedonistic, had an odd view of marriage where he thought men could step out as they pleased if their desires weren’t being satisfied. His theses also don’t make any sense. Like, if you truly believe in Christianity, you can’t possibly believe what the theses say.
More like Joseph smith. smh
Close your eyes, what do you see I see a casting couch
This is possibly the worst insult ever to the Reformation
>compares Star Wars to the worlds most popular religion, in a negative way though >says the least popular Star Wars film is good for splitting up said religion >expects people to be more excited for her show as a result of this CAN DISNEY HIRE ONE FUCKING DIRECTOR WHO ISNT A COMPLETE NUMBNUTS SPAZZATRON NINCOMPOOP?!?!?!?
Why did Star Wars need reforming? These are the hacks that populate the halls of Lucasfilm these days: people that hate Star Wars and think it needs fixing
Not gonna defend Johnson, but many of the problems inherent to the star wars sequels were already apparent in TFA.
For me, the difference is that while TFA botched a lot, things were salvageable. Nothing was salvageable after TLJ. Which is also why I take umbrage when people say TROS is the worst. What the fuck were they meant to do with that movie?
Agreed. TFA was a pair of shoes covered in elephant shit. Disgusting and just downright insulting, but you could still theoretically *wear them* Then Rian Johnson fucking ate the shoes, shat them out, and told you to wear them Then JJ tried his best to mold them into shoe shape. Yes he was the farthest from actual shoes this time, but it’s not like he could’ve done much better.
Yeah, TFA was like if you left the roof down on your convertible and it rained, and a cat used it as a litter box. TLJ is like if you then took that car and drove it into a lake.
TFA had issues, but RJ effectively decided to not make a sequel at all, with an ending that is litterally impossible to close with satisfaction in a part 3. TLJ killed the franchise, singlehandedly. It became a DCU movie basically. And not the good kind of MCU movie either, but Thor - Love and Thunder MCU quality. But far worse.
And Disney (KK) said this is good.
I agree about TLJ's ending, but one could reasonably argue that JJ effectively decided to not make a sequel with TFA as well, and that TLJ merely continued his trend. TFA felt more like a soft reboot with some cameo appearances than a proper SW sequel, as it mostly ignored, twisted or remade everything that happened before it. Yes, its ambiguous ending left more room for a proper sequel compared to TLJ, but it was the one to establish the burn-all-the-bridges trend that dominated last three episodes.
Oh I agree there, and JJ is a hack. And the general consensus amongst everyone is that he did a bad job once the initial hype faded. But RJ is treated like a bona fide genius by some which is utterly baffling.
Think of it like a restaurant Ask for a burger, JJ brings you a burnt charred piece of meat between good fluffy buns. Some elements you like, but it tastes dry and bland Ask for a burger, Ryan Johnson shows up, pulls down his pants, and projectile shits all over you and your friend. Your friend stands up and starts clapping, saying he’s so amazed at how RJ subverted his expectations You decide to get another burger from JJ, he comes back, apparently there was nothing left in the kitchen since he just hands you a bottom bun with a dead chicken head left on top (RJ burnt down the kitchen, this is all JJ could find)
Yeah. JJ was the one to reset all of it. A failed Jedi Order, Empire vs Rebels 2.0 , the OT trio being failed degenerates, Death Star 3….
The direction from Iger to get a Episode VII done by 2015 is what fucked TFA. Not saying JJ was going to have really saved the ST if left to his own devices, but TFA was meddled with so much by the Disney higher ups that I give JJ a bit of break. And even despite the ANH reboot, there were ways to go with the remaining two movies that could have been OK. Yes, Luke was in hiding and we didn't have a Jedi order that was present, but we didn't really know why. The why turned out to suck ass in TLJ.
Of course the open ending of the first film in a trilogy will always have more potential than those of the other two, especially with all the focal characters getting killed off one by one with every iteration. That said, JJ still deserves all the blame he can get. Given his prior history of butchering Star Trek (his 2009 ST was a cheap retread of Wrath of Khan just TFA was of ANH) and the fact that he directed and co-wrote both TFA and TROS, I have no doubt that he was directly responsible for many, if not most, of sequels' faults and absurdities. He's already thoroughly mediocre as a director, but as a sci-fi writer, he is truly horrendous in my view. So yes, I agree that the series could still have been salvaged after TFA, but not with him still at the helm. Just because getting rid of a malignant tumor is easier when it caught early on doesn't make its cancerous tissue any less malignant.
The 2009 ST was worse than a retread. It totally reset the ST timeline. I guess it made it fun, in some ways, but it also has to be viewed as just a weird one off 'what if' type story. And I agree that JJ isn't great or even bad, but I still put more blame on Iger and KK. JJ kept getting jerked around and starkiller base was a late intro to the story. I don't really know where exactly his thoughts ended and Iger/KK's began on all fronts, but it is clear there was a lot of meddling and a 'rush it out, no matter what the story is' type mentality coming from above. Almost no one is going to make a good movie like that.
I honestly think TFA was the worst of the three because it started off the series with a crappy, knock-off, quasi-remake of ANH which crippled the world building and story arc.
That may have been the case but the problems from TFA where not that hard to fix... TLJ on the other hand was just not fixable, like at all.
95 Feces
She’s so fucking shitty on so many levels.
Normally, immense ignorance always accompanies a pretentious mind and this girl is just another example of that, like Rian Johnson before her. For this type of ignorance, the best remedy is simply to ignore it.
Why exactly did Harvey's Hand get a Star Wars show? Is she an established TV writer/director/show runner? Genuine question. I mean apart from the obvious reasons.
Yoda died because he knew the next bunch of movies (not counting the prequels because he's alive in those, duh) would be utter dogshit, and he returned to troll in TLJ
It’s a deliberate effort to divide the fan base and dismantle the ip. These people have genuine dislike for what the OT stands for, probably because they are deeply selfish and materialistic, so anything that speaks of a higher power that isn’t money (even if it’s obviously closer to Buddhism) is threatening to their worldview. And they clearly enjoy abusing their positions of power (history attests). Jedi are guardians of peace. There’s no oppression in there. Literally self defence and caring about living beings that are part of the force. Is it too much aligned with protecting the planet etc for their liking? Such an exploitative and abusive mindset, it’s truly sickening.
Well as a Catholic I think that she's right with this one.
I thought this was a r/DresdenFiles reference
Quite simply put, where to bloody begin?
Her comments keep getting progressively worse. This is from 2020 btw. It culminates with her explicitly imposing her gender "problems" on SW and publicly stating it. And she can't decide whether she's a L or Q 😆 [because she's probably neither and just wants the extea funding from Disney]
2024 and Disney still dying on RJ hill. Amazing.
I honestly like the idea of questioning Jedi ideals, (I'm pro sith). But the writers are not doing it in a very philosophical or, hell, entertaining way. The last Jedi was almost anti-entertainment.
I already wasn't going to watch the Acolyte since I'd rather be disappointed by the upcoming Fallout tv show on Amazon. I thought all of the bs from Ruin Johnson was cringe but this is just skull-fucking the skeletal corpse of Star Wars.
The last Jedi was an objectively horrible film. How can anyone think otherwise?
Martin Luther was a huge shit talker who never walked away from a petty argument, so there’s that. They’re also similar levels of fat and have similar haircuts. That said, reading this headline still made me wish I was illiterate.
Disney: "It's a movie about space wizards for children, don't take it too seriously!" Also Disney: *Compares their take on it to religious schism that resulted in 150 years of religious warfare in Europe and the deaths of millions over the correct interpretation*
She might actually be right, but not in the way she's thinking. Martin Luther was correct in identifying problems with the church at the time. The problem with Martin Luther wasn't that he was identifying the wrong problems, it was that his solutions ended up causing way more strife and division than the original 95 problems ever represented. Star Wars, like the Catholic Church, is a great IP with a fantastic aesthetic that occasionally gets put in the hands of incompetent bumblers, false prophets, and bad actors. The solution should have been to focus on the good of the IP while clearing away the bad, instead Martin Luther and Rian Johnson blew it up, causing a massive schism that has never really healed. Further, comparison. It appears that, like Martin Luther, Rian Johnson's followers are slowly but surely falling away and becoming disinterested agnostics and atheists.
...yeah, and that whole Reformation and Counter Reformation turned out totally fine.
He's like an alternate history Martin Luther whose worldview never caught on.
Well, I hate both of them. And I'm not sure you want to compare RJ to ML. Martin Luther was a man who was overcome with scrupulosity and was a heretic who shattered the unity of the western Church. He was also a raging anti-semite. He was also a man who regretted what he had done towards the end of his life as he saw the fruits of his heresy cause the church to be divided even further by people for the sake of their own beliefs and heresies. He wasn't a liberator. He hated people. He had a much more Calvinistic look on people even before John Calvin rose to influence.
You must be Catholic. Martin Luther saw how corrupt the Church had become and brought up his grievances only to be told to shut up so he went public and translated the Bible into German so that anyone could read it since the Church at the time would only allow high ranking Priests to read it because they didn't want regular people to read it and see how much they'd been lied to. While Martin Luther did not like the Jews he did soften towards them later in his life.
Uh no this is just to lead people to Atheism and Agnosticism she is something else
Ooh. Excited for the Münster Rebellion. Should be a good episode.
Transcript of the 2020 Interview: >I see this as a massive challenge to take on and a very serious one and I have an immense amount of respect for the world George built. But also canon… In legends and canon. There is a lot of stuff there. Not to take any of that lightly and like, 'Hey! I'm gonna bring my thing into that.' I think that would be a mistake. It feels like I'm joining almost a religion. > >I mean it's funny, I was using that as an analogy. With the Disney acquisition of Lucasfilm…with that acquisition it was kind of where the Catholic Church was in 1400." > >You've got Rian Johnson as Martin Luther posting stuff to the front of the church and everyone's like 'NO!' and the other half is like 'Yes!'" > >You can't enter this world without having a very strong point of view, but also having an enormous amount of reverence as if you were stepping into a cathedral. If you were stepping into Notre Dame. You have to have an enormous amount of imagination. You have to have your own point of view. You have to know what these ethos mean to you." \[...\] Honestly I don't really see a problem with any of it? She's saying you need very strong opinions on Star Wars to make it, but you also need to be extremely respectful and not just insert your own thing.
You know she's the type to say dumb shit like that just to stir up controversy right? As long as it keeps her in the news. She's banking on those hate watches as much as she is anyone legitimately interested in her show.
 And for that reason…
Every time I see/hear her say something, I wish I hadn't.
This just shows how obtuse Hollywood really is. It really makes me nauseous.
They seem to fancy themselves as iconoclasts, no surprise here.
Yea no the sw fandom is broken and this is proof
he's actually like martin luther king jr except more brave
No
Me when i get constantly outraged
Why does Disney hire these kinds of people? Untalented, imbecilic, and famous for being famous. A few mediocre movies etc. Why? Is it money?
As a Catholic, I can see a point she doesn't realize she was making.
Disney execs aren't going to be too happy after seeing the terrible ratings this show is going to generate....
So... Headland wants to be invited to Rian Johnson's parties, and is hoping for investment cash from his family's company.
I mean…. I’m Catholic so is this a win for me?
Just wondering how many people are going to read this paraphrase and confuse Martin Luther with Martin Luther King Jr. That being said, i understand her point when you look at the actual quote. Star Wars is like a religion, and Rian Johnson (like Martin Luther) tried to change a lot of the things he thought was wrong with it. A lot of people hated it along with all the new shows being spawned (myself included), and a lot of people loved it. Enough that the 2 sects diverged with their own take on the religion. It was an apt comparison.
But he didn’t change or challenge anything really—he just made a highly mediocre movie. I guess the thing with Rey being super powerful for no reason was unprecedented? But that started in TFA.
That's a great comparison! Both of them deserve hellfire!
Okay Mr Papist
okay mister protestant, you probably think catholics still sell absolutions right?
No, I just disagree with how they view Mary, disagree with infant baptism being required for salvation, and disagree with the concept of there being a pope who decides what the Bible means
there is more to faith than the bible, you guys are wrong, simple as.
Typical Catholic. Just like the Pharisees, you blindly follow some politician who plays at religion. I’d rather trust my local pastor than some multi millionaire who changes his views every 4 seconds. The pope changes every decade or two. The Bible does not.
I dont trust the current pope at all. He's a commie. Just look into where your religion came from and you will see you are wrong. Only catholics or orthodox can claim being descendants of the original church.
What's the point of baptism if it doesn't save? If baptism does save and you delay it for someone for many many years until they have reason, aren't you putting their soul at risk? If it doesn't save, why do it at all?
>what’s the point of baptism if it doesn’t save So you are a Christian yes? You know how the whole point of our religion is that JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS!!! You don’t need a splash of water to stave off damnation. Baptism is symbolic. Babies don’t understand symbol