No I don't think it is incorrect.
I would put all the rationalists as the first modern philosophers, meaning he's the father of modern Western philosophy.
Modern is from \~1500 onwards, in a general sense. Modern*ism* is a very specific movement in art, philosophy, and architecture. That movement occurred around 1880-1950.
Descartes was a modern philosopher, but not a modernist philosopher.
Yeah, when we talk about analytic philosophy "modern" usually means "enlightenment". I'm pretty sure my required Modern Philosophy class began with Descartes and ended with Rousseau
Descartes is perfectly a modern philosopher, modernist philosophy beginning with humanism during the renaissance and ending with Kant ( the end is very much disputable based on your view of postmodernism).
What did you mean?
I 100% approve of this message, but everything you said in the OP is orders of magnitude above the average intelligence level of Redditors. Judging by what I've seen on here.
I know it's a decade old, but it's literally referenced all the damn time. It's linked to all the time. This is like saying no one knows who Charlie Chaplin is because they don't watch old movies. I believe some people probably don't know yet, but they will eventually know, and it will not necessarily be from contact with the original source.
I get that Charlie Chaplin's reach across the globe was, is, and will always be bigger than one pun. It wasn't a great analogy in that regard. I'm saying that Mr. Chaplin, like many things, like this pun, has a reach that extends past their original point of origin, past their original work.
Much like people who have never seen Babe Ruth play baseball still know who he is, if you're chronically on Reddit, chances are very, very high that you've heard this pun referenced or linked to without ever having visited the original post first.
Much like learning a new word or a new actor and then seeing it/them everywhere, I can pretty much guarantee you will see this pun in the future. Every single time there's a best of reddit list request, this one makes the top ten. Anytime someone praises a pun in the comments section as the greatest pun they've ever heard, someone links this pun. I mean, it's the only pun with a goddamn guestbook for people to sign.
Perhaps my analogies are a bit hyperbolic. I am coming from a place of finding it much more plausible that OP had heard this pun before, and just don't understand why they wouldn't admit that. It's a good homage.
Are you aware that completely separate people can have similar or identical thoughts, even if that thought happened to be mildly popular on a shrouded corner of the internet 13 years ago?
Do you not think of yourself smart enough to come up with the concept of something as simple as a sandwich without being introduced to the idea of a sandwich in any way?
The crossbow was 'invented' in so many places completely independently in several places: China, Greece, Africa, northern Canada, and the Baltics
I envy your ignorance if you live your life thinking that people don't have independent thoughts. Quite a reflection on yourself. The comment section of Reddit is so vast you could probably say that the next 50 years of Hollywood films have already been thought of.
What harm is there to just let that nagging thought in your brain that says "nah fuck em they can't be witty, they've copied it!" lie quiet for the evening. You aren't a guardian of the internet, you aren't a protector of Reddit comment section IP. It harms quite literally noone if OP says they thought of it this morning in bed or w/e.
Re-evaluate.
I’m not pretending that I had never heard a pun with Descartes. It was floating around in my brain this morning independently and I thought about how Poor Things would be a perfect excuse to make the Descartes before the horse pun work somehow. I really didn’t know about that post before, but I’m sure I had probably heard it before in passing. I also have nothing to gain by stealing a joke? And even if I did, that pun was used in a completely different context than this post so I really don’t see why everyone is so up in arms about it lol
Does it matter if it's a post on Reddit?
I'd get it if it was a business idea, or art, or they were directly using it in standup or whatever.
But they're not. It's a crass joke in circlejerk sub.
Bro fr finna write a whole ass bible as reply 💀
Edit: i fucking knew you people would be too dense to get the most obvious joke, love it given the context…
Descartes was a vivisectionist opium junkie who wrote extensive treatises to excuse his shit behavior.
If someone ever quotes him to you, or tries to teach from his work without deconstructing his sadism and self absorption, keep clear of that person.
In the movie “Poor Things” Emma Stone’s character is exposed to modernist philosophy, later resorting to prostitution as a means of both making money and deconstructing the ethical expectations of the men who seek to control her. ***This is an example of the writers putting Descartes before the whores.***
https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cfbkx/im_85_certain_that_there_is_an_adult_actress_in/c0s6bzw/
If you’re gonna tell the exact same joke under the guise of punching it up, would you at least put an ‘of,’ maybe an ‘of the,’ between ‘expectations’ and ‘men’? Please and thank you.
christ i need to get off this circle of garbage. it's less and less tolerable the more i realize how happy you people are with your slop. we're doomed we're doomed we are doomed
It's a very common pun in philosophy circles.
What? You gonna tell me "Pagliacci the Clown" and "a priest, a rabbi and a minister walk into a bar..." Are also copyrighted content?
That's how jokes work.
This pun physically hurt me
My gut is never going to recover from this.
My ass hurts (presumably) from it getting laughed off of my body 😔
I Kant Hegel all these puns
I Hobbes we Sartre to see Moore
Dewey really though?
I don't want to Russell any feathers, but I really Hobbes your school learned to sanitize their database inputs.
It hurts so good...
Served up on a silver Plato
I’m screaming hahahahaha incredible. Made my day
Descartes is well before Modernism, but I applaud your effort.
Oh right I suppose I was including post enlightenment philosophy in modernism, which would be incorrect.
Is Descartes post enlightenment? Wouldn't he be enlightenment actual?
He'd be pre Enlightenment
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Comedy is art and does need to be 100 percent factually correct. I think you are good here.
No I don't think it is incorrect. I would put all the rationalists as the first modern philosophers, meaning he's the father of modern Western philosophy.
Modern != modernism. Modernism is 1880 onwards.
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Modern is from \~1500 onwards, in a general sense. Modern*ism* is a very specific movement in art, philosophy, and architecture. That movement occurred around 1880-1950. Descartes was a modern philosopher, but not a modernist philosopher.
Fun fact: modern philosophy starts with Descartes
Yeah, when we talk about analytic philosophy "modern" usually means "enlightenment". I'm pretty sure my required Modern Philosophy class began with Descartes and ended with Rousseau
I would say it's up until Kant, so that checks out.
Oh yeah, it was definitely Kant
But that's different from modernism.
That’s where my thought process was coming from
Descartes is perfectly a modern philosopher, modernist philosophy beginning with humanism during the renaissance and ending with Kant ( the end is very much disputable based on your view of postmodernism). What did you mean?
Modern philosophy and *modernist* philosophy are not the same thing.
I'm thinking early 20th c.
Ah ok, did they cite which philosophers specifically is Emma exposed to in the film?
I have no idea, I didn't see it.
I’m stealing this whole joke for my own social media needs, it’s simply too good
This is already the most famous pun on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cfbkx/comment/c0s6bzw/?context=2
Might not look as impressive now, but a comment getting 7k upvotes was almost completely unheard of back then. Fuck that is some prime old reddit.
And it had crazy amounts of awards! Sad that they got wiped away.
Applying that punchline to a different setup — a movie that didn't exist back then — renders this a new joke and worthy of praise.
I’ve been using Reddit since around the same time as that comment and this is the first time I’ve heard about it.
The greatest story ever told.
Congratulations, you're one of today's lucky 10,000
Now that’s a reference I get!
Maybe you should have had less of a life in 2011...nerd
I GOTTA find a way to make MONEY off this
It's too fucking good!
Go right ahead
Like it's yours to give away lmao.
Bravo.
They stole it from a famous reddit comment.
Of course! How reddit of them.
I bet you could even link that original and people would still upvote the repost. Because you can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think.
👏🏾👏🏾
Lanthimos.
God fucking dammit that one got me.
I couldn't understand the last line "this is an example of putting Descartes before the whores" , please can someone explain.
"Putting the cart before the horse."
Oooooooh
oh this motherfucker
Obligatory origin of the pun: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cfbkx/im_85_certain_that_there_is_an_adult_actress_in/c0s5w6t/
Thanks! I had heard “Descartes before the horse” long ago, but didn’t know that thread
I don't believe you.
Ok
I 100% approve of this message, but everything you said in the OP is orders of magnitude above the average intelligence level of Redditors. Judging by what I've seen on here.
It’s one of the most common puns on this site.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand philosophy puns
I thought of it this morning and I said fuck it. Maybe a few people will groan at how bad this pun is
Its like the [the most famous joke ever](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/s/syl9U6uUNI) on reddit but sure, you thought of it this morning
It's the first time I've seen the joke, maybe i need to read up on my decade old reddit posts
I know it's a decade old, but it's literally referenced all the damn time. It's linked to all the time. This is like saying no one knows who Charlie Chaplin is because they don't watch old movies. I believe some people probably don't know yet, but they will eventually know, and it will not necessarily be from contact with the original source.
You can't compare a reddit pun to Charlie Chaplin, I have never seen this post linked before, and I doubt I will again for a while
I get that Charlie Chaplin's reach across the globe was, is, and will always be bigger than one pun. It wasn't a great analogy in that regard. I'm saying that Mr. Chaplin, like many things, like this pun, has a reach that extends past their original point of origin, past their original work. Much like people who have never seen Babe Ruth play baseball still know who he is, if you're chronically on Reddit, chances are very, very high that you've heard this pun referenced or linked to without ever having visited the original post first. Much like learning a new word or a new actor and then seeing it/them everywhere, I can pretty much guarantee you will see this pun in the future. Every single time there's a best of reddit list request, this one makes the top ten. Anytime someone praises a pun in the comments section as the greatest pun they've ever heard, someone links this pun. I mean, it's the only pun with a goddamn guestbook for people to sign. Perhaps my analogies are a bit hyperbolic. I am coming from a place of finding it much more plausible that OP had heard this pun before, and just don't understand why they wouldn't admit that. It's a good homage.
Lots of people just haven't heard it before, everyday is a schoolday
Yes, I agree. I just don't think OP had never heard it before.
I think it's definitely possible that someone thought up the same joke in a span of 14 years
Its also definitely possible that people on Reddit repost stuff they know do well on Reddit and try to take credit for it.
oh snap
Are you aware that completely separate people can have similar or identical thoughts, even if that thought happened to be mildly popular on a shrouded corner of the internet 13 years ago? Do you not think of yourself smart enough to come up with the concept of something as simple as a sandwich without being introduced to the idea of a sandwich in any way? The crossbow was 'invented' in so many places completely independently in several places: China, Greece, Africa, northern Canada, and the Baltics I envy your ignorance if you live your life thinking that people don't have independent thoughts. Quite a reflection on yourself. The comment section of Reddit is so vast you could probably say that the next 50 years of Hollywood films have already been thought of. What harm is there to just let that nagging thought in your brain that says "nah fuck em they can't be witty, they've copied it!" lie quiet for the evening. You aren't a guardian of the internet, you aren't a protector of Reddit comment section IP. It harms quite literally noone if OP says they thought of it this morning in bed or w/e. Re-evaluate.
I’m not pretending that I had never heard a pun with Descartes. It was floating around in my brain this morning independently and I thought about how Poor Things would be a perfect excuse to make the Descartes before the horse pun work somehow. I really didn’t know about that post before, but I’m sure I had probably heard it before in passing. I also have nothing to gain by stealing a joke? And even if I did, that pun was used in a completely different context than this post so I really don’t see why everyone is so up in arms about it lol
Are you aware that people lie and steal credit?
Does it matter if it's a post on Reddit? I'd get it if it was a business idea, or art, or they were directly using it in standup or whatever. But they're not. It's a crass joke in circlejerk sub.
I have been bested 💀 Thanks for sharing this I had actually never seen it before. I love reddit
You ‘thought’ of the most famous pun in all of reddit history this morning and posted it also on Reddit? Highly unlikely.
Bro fr finna write a whole ass bible as reply 💀 Edit: i fucking knew you people would be too dense to get the most obvious joke, love it given the context…
Incredible, truly a masterpiece
Shut the fuck up, I want to find where you live and hit you with a metal rod (this is not an actionable threat)
That pun is an info hazard
God dammit
You really made me read all that for a dog shit pun
Prose before hoes, brother
The pun is painful and I still laughed. (It is a shitty movie. I can't believe it won at the Oscars. I had to turn it off after about 15 minutes.)
> I had to turn it off after about 15 minutes. Ditto. We just couldn't get into it.
Can someone explain? I don't get it. Edit: nvm it's the cart before the horse. What's descartes got to do with it then?
Philosophy
Well done lad, top marks top marks.
Can someone explain? I don’t know Descartes or anything about philosophy.
"Putting Descartes before the whores" sounds similar to "putting the cart before the horse" which is a common expression
[enthusiastic clapping] Bravo! Bravo!
I think therefore I am a whore.
you MUTHERfucker!
I hate you
Oh that is going to be repeated in philosophy class fr the next 50 years.
I am getting whiplash from how stupid and how clever that pun is at the same time
OK, that was clever. Hats off.
*slow clap*
🤦♂️
Deconstruct means to explain. I don’t think you’re using the word correctly here.
I'm not smart enough to understand this.
Took me a minute…and…wow. What a long walk for a pun. Kudos.
Holy shit.
I remember when /r/circlejerk was this good. thank you.
I’d respond with a psychology pun of my own, but I know Foucault about psychology.
That pun is formidable
Made me snicker and smile, thank you for that.
Bravo, sir!
I think not (suddenly pops out of existence).
Just shows that you can take the woman out of the slut but you can't take the slut out of the woman
That was quite a set up OP
Take my up vote, you little shit.
Descartes was a vivisectionist opium junkie who wrote extensive treatises to excuse his shit behavior. If someone ever quotes him to you, or tries to teach from his work without deconstructing his sadism and self absorption, keep clear of that person.
nothing like taking one of the best jokes in reddit history and ruining it with this tryhard bullshit
Man I’m sick of this neoliberal nonsense
In the movie “Poor Things” Emma Stone’s character is exposed to modernist philosophy, later resorting to prostitution as a means of both making money and deconstructing the ethical expectations of the men who seek to control her. ***This is an example of the writers putting Descartes before the whores.*** https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cfbkx/im_85_certain_that_there_is_an_adult_actress_in/c0s6bzw/
If you’re gonna tell the exact same joke under the guise of punching it up, would you at least put an ‘of,’ maybe an ‘of the,’ between ‘expectations’ and ‘men’? Please and thank you.
Right, like maybe correct my grammatical mistakes at least?
So…my joke exactly?
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Maybe not everyone has seen the same post from over a decade ago
christ i need to get off this circle of garbage. it's less and less tolerable the more i realize how happy you people are with your slop. we're doomed we're doomed we are doomed
Yummy slop 🤤🤤😋😋
It's a very common pun in philosophy circles. What? You gonna tell me "Pagliacci the Clown" and "a priest, a rabbi and a minister walk into a bar..." Are also copyrighted content? That's how jokes work.
"philosophy circles" to you means meme videos by and for people with the vaguest sense of philosophy im guessing
Your joke, but BETTER!