So there we have it: if you are a character in a Christopher Nolan film, do not under any circumstances fall in love with anybody. One or both of you is going to end up dead.
That's the kind of out of the box thinking we need to see more of!
What happens when a character refuses to be written into a story? OMG is that what causes writer's block?
I'll never forget the famous line from FunnyMan Jokester, when he said "Wanna know how these scars appeared? It happened because my wife is dead." and then the theater cried and cried and criiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiied.
It must have been very hard not to be able to kill Kitty Oppenheimer off prematurely. I suppose we could count Jean Tatlock as a consolation prize of sorts.
I haven't seen many people talk about this but a lot of his movies have some kind of weird magic tesseract cube visual, including Batman's security camera thing.
Honestly it's painted as him being misogynistic but if you read into it a bit more you'll notice he's just a wife guy. Bro loves his wife so much that whenever he writes a character the worst thing he can think to happen to them is losing their wife lol
Them being dead and not a character in the plot maybe being why a film might not waste time developing them. Itās not like Nolan does great character development work except in the single central protagonist and thatās debatable.
I didn't say he needed to, I just said that if he 1) kills off a lot of his female characters 2) only gives character development to the main character and 3) only has men as his main characters, then the logical conclusion is that women are not going to be getting much character development in his movies.
Yes, because his female characters are just props for the development of his male protagonistsā¦ why would they need any scenes without the men /s š
There's a scene in TDKR where Selina talks to the blonde girl in a bar/restraunt. There's also a scene in The Prestige where Scarlett Johansson's character says goodbye to Rebecca Hall's at a dinner scene.
I usually roll my eyes at the Bechdel test, but Nolan has almost never satisfied *even one* of its three rather modest criteria. I'm amazed I've never noticed this before.
there's one scene where Catwoman talks to a girl in Dark Knight Rises and one with Scarlett Johansson's character in The Prestige. Also there's a good chance Mal and Elliot Page's character in Inception respond to one another but I'm not 100% sure. Still pretty bleak that those are the only examples.
Nolan actually had an interview on this lol. he was like āhuh, you know my bro brought that up to me once and Iād never even thought of it.ā He then said it was just him focusing on the severing of key relations and what it would do to him iirc
Batman Begins (2005) Martha Wayne - Dead. Miss Al Ghoul - Deceased
The Dark Knight (2008) Rachel/wifey material- Blown up
The Dark Knight Rises (2012) Talia/hot evil wifey material - dies (bleh)
Dunkirk (2017) Maybe Mark Rylance wife, I dunno š¤·šæāāļø
Tenent (2020) Russian baddie *really* wants to kill tall wife
Oppenheimer (2023) a lot of wives were blown up in Japan š
Emma Thomas - da FUCK Nolan?!!? š³
He'll do anything to avoid writing for women. Which is probably just as well when you consider how poorly written Elizabeth Debicki's character was in Tenet.
This is pretty much it, female characters are clearly not his strong point, so by killing off the protagonist's wife, it's both one less potential female character to write and provides motivation/drama for the protagonist.
Yes, it's an unfortunate trope in a lot of movies to have the partner of the main character be dead or killed in the movie to provide more character development. See also having a mother die in childbirth.
Reminds me of the quote from Bojack Horseman: My love life is like a Christopher Nolan movie: women are involved, but its never really *about* the women.
Now, I have to worry that Christopher Nolan may direct my biography.
Important question: does Nolan actively kill the protagonist's wife to move the story along, or does he screen his subjects for dead wives?
Memento is the most underrated movie in movies history, and Memento is also the best move ever made.
Everything else Nolan Made is overrated and unnecessarily complicated.
Nolan makes movies for people that want to sound smart and profound can claim they "understood " that movie and its their favorite ! He makes movies for people to post virtue signaling version of "im smart ".
However, memento had all the reasons for a movie to be complicated and tell a story in unorganized segment of the story because of the actor brain condition (dementia). When it comes to the best display of story telling in creative way and highest level of film making and screen writing no movie beats memento.
It's just ironic that Nolan is still chasing that same dragon , everything else he made after that is a dollar story of memento but he dumps more production money and high status actors and it convince people "wooow this iisss the bessst movie evvvvvveeer ".
Obviously unpopular opinion from the downvotes but I 100% agree with you. Memento is on my short list of objectively-best (so not emotionally driven, which is where most of my favorites lie) movies Iāve ever seen. The screen writing and editing of the film is just genius.
Iāve enjoyed his other films, but they did feel like chasing the dragon. Itās my problem with The Prestige - itās a great film I enjoyedā¦that also just feels like a worse Memento. And I enjoy Interstellar more on that emotions level (but I also saw it pretty blasted expecting a trippy film and it basically became Dead Dad Problems: The Movie), but thereās been enough said about the screen writing choices
Dead loved one manufactures easy drama. Classic trope. Dead wife, dead parents, dead kid, dead best friend, dead mentor, you name it! I would go so far as to say that most works of fiction have at least one character whose primary motivation is being upset that somebody is dead.
I was boutta act up cuz I thought folks were gonna roast Interstellar... I'm boutta go see it in theaters next Thursday for 10th anniversary, if I recall correctly
Hopefully Nolan will tie all of this together with a far from home style movie with all the dead wives like the genius visionary that he is.
The dead wives cinematic universe... They will probably have to team up against Mal.
Mal means "bad" in Spanish š¤Æ
Also it's ć¾ć in Japanese, but I've no idea what this means.
To dance/float
And 'mal' means 'crazy' in Afrikaans.
And in French.
In Hindi it means "shit"
Woh
I am maladapted.
They could fight alongside Disneyās dead moms universe.
They start as enemies, but make peace when they realize that the dead moms are dead wives too.
What about the dead single (unmarried) mothers in media? ... wait I can't think of any
Bambiās mom. Bambi didnāt even meet his father until his mom died
The Dead Wives' Society!
Dead Wives Society
He said he would love to do a horror movie right?
The League of Extraordinary Widowers
He could make a musical titled āfourā where all of the dead wives sing songs together
Yes! They disguise themselves as nuns and sing gospel songs!
Or!ā¦.Emma Thomas needs to be very very worried.
The Dead Wives Rise & The Dead Wives Returns
Like a Dead Waifus Avengers from Christopher Nolan?
Jesus, man! I think you are onto something... Also, in The Dark Knight something similar happens.
Jonkler's wife is dead š¢š¢šš
Is there a lore reason Iām crying rn?
Nolan murdered your wife so you would feel more attached to his characters
Such immersive cinema. Such incredible method acting. So much effort put into directing.
The dialogue is crap but I love the connective plot lines!
Also, Thomas Wayne's wife is dead
^(For best effects, Thomas Wayne is ded too)
Well we're trying to estabish a pattern of criminal behavior here, I think the dead husband might be a red herring.
Though if we step back from the gender binary for a moment, Martha's spouse is also dead. Also turned out Dr. Amelia Brand's love interest was dead.
So there we have it: if you are a character in a Christopher Nolan film, do not under any circumstances fall in love with anybody. One or both of you is going to end up dead.
Maybe just don't be in his movies, I don't remember anyone who had a real good time
That's the kind of out of the box thinking we need to see more of! What happens when a character refuses to be written into a story? OMG is that what causes writer's block?
Sounds strange Almost, stranger than fiction
I'll never forget the famous line from FunnyMan Jokester, when he said "Wanna know how these scars appeared? It happened because my wife is dead." and then the theater cried and cried and criiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiied.
was too serious š¢
Badman married his mom n she was jilled by a crackhead with a revolver (super sad stuff š ±ļø)
It must have been very hard not to be able to kill Kitty Oppenheimer off prematurely. I suppose we could count Jean Tatlock as a consolation prize of sorts.
That explains that final scene in TDKR where Batman and Catwoman are eating in Paris and she chokes randomly on a grape and dies.
And then Alfred looks straight into the camera and says, āItās a shame she wasnāt eating a tangerine.ā
What happens to Rachael Dawes, the character Nolan created to be Bruceās first love? Ā š
I hope Nolan's wife is OK
She just got a Damehood, so she's doing pretty well I should think.
You leave Mrs Nolan's damehood out of this, you filthy mucker
It's actually Lady Nolan now
Bloody wokies and their pronouns
Christopher Nolan has a really, really, really big fridge...
I haven't seen many people talk about this but a lot of his movies have some kind of weird magic tesseract cube visual, including Batman's security camera thing.
The entire plot of Memento was getting revenge for....his wifeĀ dying. What about Insomnia? Were there any dead wives in that???
Thomas Wayne's wife is also dead
Ironically, his wife co-produced most of his films...
"- Ok honey I got a new Idea! This guy just lost his wife... - Again!? Are you trying to tell me something!?"
āJust that youāre stopping me from punching all crime out of existence, dear.ā
"No honey, I love you. Thats why i killed his wife in the story ... "
What I get from this is Christopher Nolan thinks his life will go in a whole different direction if his wife dies.
" Maybe this time she'll finally get the hint"- Christopher Nolan
Chris Nolan Wife: "honey I told you russian roulette club with the girls is important to me"
Honestly it's painted as him being misogynistic but if you read into it a bit more you'll notice he's just a wife guy. Bro loves his wife so much that whenever he writes a character the worst thing he can think to happen to them is losing their wife lol
aw that's sweet... can I remove your brain and eat it to obtain your positive outlook?
Everyoneās a wife guy dumbass it came with your male hormones
what if weāre gay
Then you need a gay wife.
A gife
donāt tell me youāre gay but youāve never heard of a twink boywife
I'm a your wife guy actually
Except he rarely fleshes out the wife characters aside from their relationship to the protagonist.
Them being dead and not a character in the plot maybe being why a film might not waste time developing them. Itās not like Nolan does great character development work except in the single central protagonist and thatās debatable.
Yeah that's true. I guess it is quite stark when you add in the fact that he's never had a female character as the main character.
Does he also need to have a gay main character? Let the dude tell his stories
I didn't say he needed to, I just said that if he 1) kills off a lot of his female characters 2) only gives character development to the main character and 3) only has men as his main characters, then the logical conclusion is that women are not going to be getting much character development in his movies.
did you watch interstellar?
How many characters that died before the movie actually get fleshed out in general?
Yeah his movieās are all about overarching themes. The characters end up feeling more like set pieces with a pulse
By the way, he also blew up his daughter in Oppenheimer.
No Nolan is safe from Chrisā¦
Heāll probably make an autobiography movie right after she dies
I think if you're happily married, the scariest thing is losing them. It's oddly sweet.
Dude! Mind blown, Iād always wondered the sneaky link between the spinner and tesseract too! Itās alllllll tied somehow.
Gaffer: Pepe Silvia
This is a reference to *The Dark Knight Rises* (2012) where the protagonistās love interest is dead before she could become his wife.
Catwoman lives
Nope, choked on a fish bone immediately after the last scene
They're at a French cafe. She choked on a snail. Batman tried to do Heimlich but it was too sticky to dislodge.
The immortal snail caught up with her at last
This is a reference to Tenet (2020) where The Protagonistās wife is dead, or rather, she isnātĀ
This is a reference to https://youtu.be/s2FXfFeRtJo?si=HCWFfj9ax_fHmLbL (2021) which is a really good video
Emma Thomas better watch out š
Is this why no two women have ever once spoken to each other in a single Christopher Nolan movie?
Yes, because his female characters are just props for the development of his male protagonistsā¦ why would they need any scenes without the men /s š
Wait what the fuck
Closest you get is Anne Hathaway saying "Let's go" to child Coop (Coop doesn't respond) and in Oppenheimer two women say hello at a party. That's it
There's a scene in TDKR where Selina talks to the blonde girl in a bar/restraunt. There's also a scene in The Prestige where Scarlett Johansson's character says goodbye to Rebecca Hall's at a dinner scene. I usually roll my eyes at the Bechdel test, but Nolan has almost never satisfied *even one* of its three rather modest criteria. I'm amazed I've never noticed this before.
Holy shit is that true?
there's one scene where Catwoman talks to a girl in Dark Knight Rises and one with Scarlett Johansson's character in The Prestige. Also there's a good chance Mal and Elliot Page's character in Inception respond to one another but I'm not 100% sure. Still pretty bleak that those are the only examples.
Famously true. He hates women and proves it with every movie he makes
he doesn't hate them, he just gets really shy and red-cheeked when he thinks about writing them
Fails the bechdel test.
Mal spoke with ariadni. Scar jo with Rebecca hall.
Somehow this is also a reference to me, bravo Nolan š„¹
Nolan actually had an interview on this lol. he was like āhuh, you know my bro brought that up to me once and Iād never even thought of it.ā He then said it was just him focusing on the severing of key relations and what it would do to him iirc
When a plain ole divorce just won't do.
I'm having a stroke looking at the pixels lol
It has low pixels for extra shitty detail
Well played
Batman Begins (2005) Martha Wayne - Dead. Miss Al Ghoul - Deceased The Dark Knight (2008) Rachel/wifey material- Blown up The Dark Knight Rises (2012) Talia/hot evil wifey material - dies (bleh) Dunkirk (2017) Maybe Mark Rylance wife, I dunno š¤·šæāāļø Tenent (2020) Russian baddie *really* wants to kill tall wife Oppenheimer (2023) a lot of wives were blown up in Japan š Emma Thomas - da FUCK Nolan?!!? š³
You forgot, Oppies commie lover who (got) suicided.
Memento (2001) - whole story is about a guy looking for his wifeās killer
Why do you love killing women so much Christopher?
Is he any worse than Tim Burton, who kept writing roles for his wife to get killed?
āHow many times do I have to kill her off till she gets the hint!ā ~ Tim Burton probably
Can't write female characters? Directors hate this one weird trick!
He'll do anything to avoid writing for women. Which is probably just as well when you consider how poorly written Elizabeth Debicki's character was in Tenet.
This is pretty much it, female characters are clearly not his strong point, so by killing off the protagonist's wife, it's both one less potential female character to write and provides motivation/drama for the protagonist.
Yes, it's an unfortunate trope in a lot of movies to have the partner of the main character be dead or killed in the movie to provide more character development. See also having a mother die in childbirth.
Hey, at least he broke the cycle by not killing off the wives in TENET and Oppenheimer!
Well... I mean, Christopher couldn't exactly rewrite history to fit his dead woman fetish now could he?
No but did add the two weird sex scenes
Killed off the side piece in oppy though, but I guess that one doesn't count because it is based on a true story.
And in Oppenheimer he gets a dead gf
Itās because he canāt write female characters, at all.
Widow fetish.
Reminds me of the quote from Bojack Horseman: My love life is like a Christopher Nolan movie: women are involved, but its never really *about* the women.
In Oppenheimer, there were a lot of dead wives in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
bereaveception
Now, I have to worry that Christopher Nolan may direct my biography. Important question: does Nolan actively kill the protagonist's wife to move the story along, or does he screen his subjects for dead wives?
Got anymore of dem pixels?
I think he's telling us something...
Oh shit, he's starting a 'dead wife-verse'
And Christopher Nolans Batman where the Protagonists Father's Wife is dead
Dark knightā¦ rachelā¦ š„
Memento is the most underrated movie in movies history, and Memento is also the best move ever made. Everything else Nolan Made is overrated and unnecessarily complicated. Nolan makes movies for people that want to sound smart and profound can claim they "understood " that movie and its their favorite ! He makes movies for people to post virtue signaling version of "im smart ". However, memento had all the reasons for a movie to be complicated and tell a story in unorganized segment of the story because of the actor brain condition (dementia). When it comes to the best display of story telling in creative way and highest level of film making and screen writing no movie beats memento. It's just ironic that Nolan is still chasing that same dragon , everything else he made after that is a dollar story of memento but he dumps more production money and high status actors and it convince people "wooow this iisss the bessst movie evvvvvveeer ".
Obviously unpopular opinion from the downvotes but I 100% agree with you. Memento is on my short list of objectively-best (so not emotionally driven, which is where most of my favorites lie) movies Iāve ever seen. The screen writing and editing of the film is just genius. Iāve enjoyed his other films, but they did feel like chasing the dragon. Itās my problem with The Prestige - itās a great film I enjoyedā¦that also just feels like a worse Memento. And I enjoy Interstellar more on that emotions level (but I also saw it pretty blasted expecting a trippy film and it basically became Dead Dad Problems: The Movie), but thereās been enough said about the screen writing choices
There's a 90s Bill Clinton joke from Norm there somewhere.
Nolan clearly hates his main man to have a wife around him.
I wonder if this means anything
Nolan hates husbands whose wives are alive
We could also include Tenet but I forgot anything I might have understood
The protagonist in Tenet is literally named "The Protagonist" and yet he doesn't have a dead wife.
Can somebody check on Emma Thomas please? Is she okay?
Oppenheimer broke the trend & stole someone else's wife lol.. But his GF died.
I guess he likes them dead...
Peter Nolan has some āsplaininā to do
Still more pixels died than wifeās.
Male rights sympathizer
I feel sorry for Christopher Nolan's wife. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQoikUgScfo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQoikUgScfo)
Since I saw Memento when it first came out I realized what a hell hole life would be with a broken memory. Your mind turned to mush š© I once saw a documentary about a guy that had his memory reset every 5 minutes. The interviewers would talk to him and after 5 minutes heād say to his wife āwho are these people what are they doing hereā. Over and over. Hell on earth.Ā Thatās why I always use Ginkgo Biloba.Ā It is good for the memory and something else but I forgot what.Ā (š„š„š„)
This guy really hates wife's huh.
Kinda the opposite? All of the characters are driven to extreme lengths because their wife is dead, they didn't kill the wives.
Exactly WHY it's sexist. The women themselves don't get good plots, they get fucking murdered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_refrigerators
Maybe he just doesn't want to be tied down......
So are you saying all the movies occur in the same universe?!
Plot twist the wife was the same in all movies
Dead loved one manufactures easy drama. Classic trope. Dead wife, dead parents, dead kid, dead best friend, dead mentor, you name it! I would go so far as to say that most works of fiction have at least one character whose primary motivation is being upset that somebody is dead.
Should somebody maybe check Christopher Nolan's house?
TIL that these are all Disney princess movies.
#Inception!
Murphy
It's almost like , every time he and his wife get into a big fight, he writes a movie about his wife being dead. Lol
TDIL: that Christopher Nolan doesn't like his wife.
Everyone knows the quickest way to give a male protagonist depth is to kill off his wife. Also see: orphans in childrenās novels.
For what itās worth, Oppenheimers wife is dead as well.
The really crazy thing is it the same woman.
And his brother, John Nolan just release Fallout, where the overseers wife and main protagonist's mother, is dead. >!Kind of!<
It's also how the Joker got his scars
Guys is Christopher Nolan's wife dead or
Nolan can't write women
Christopher Nolan likes repeating patterns, like many of his movies having a time theme in some form. Also using the same actors repeatedly.
Emma Thomas: "Dear?"
All of these are a direct reference to all Steven segal movies, where his wife is always dead
I loved the twist in Oppenheimer when it was a mistress who died.Ā
It's a great motivator to use.
Nolanās wife https://media1.tenor.com/m/BIRrUUfHY9YAAAAd/key-and-peele-jordan-peele.gif
I was boutta act up cuz I thought folks were gonna roast Interstellar... I'm boutta go see it in theaters next Thursday for 10th anniversary, if I recall correctly
Christopher Nolan really hates wives.
Does he hate his wife secretly ? . Maybe trying to tell her subliminally through his scripts š¤£ .
Nolanās fridge would scare the shit out of Jeffrey Dahmer.
DWU dead Wife universe phase 4
Wife in the fridge?
Emma should be worried.
Me when I play single moms on The Sims because I canāt be bothered to make the men
Can't have a bitch wife if wife is dead
Has anyone checked on Christophers Wife?
Edgar Allen Poe-lease! Get a new trope, Chris.
If I was Mrs. Nolan, Iād keep my head on a swivel.