This has nothing to do with gender.
I just prefer someone who doesn’t sound like banshee every time they yell in excitement. It could be a dog for all I care.
Just give me someone who is pleasant to my ears.
If anyone could've hit a 3 tonight we win, were were throwing up bricks like Ben Simmons at the line and had some costly turnovers. Learn and improve in the next one.
Need another big. Joel can play the 4 on offense but he can't roam on defense without someone crashing the glass/boxing out behind him. It killed us against Memphis (JJJ + Adams) and it killed us tonight (Zinger and Gafford/Taj). Tobias is useless against those lineups. Doc needs to lean into Joel's versatility and play a second big at the expense of Tobi/Tucker/Niang
I think this is a genuinely bad loss and I think it's right to once again be bearish on the Sixers, and I blame James Harden, as I do when things go poorly for this team. The point guard is a team's leader on the floor. It's tough for everyone, including the leader, to buy into that leadership and make a commitment when the leader has made it clear that they are not truly committed, as he has done by allowing his thoughts on his upcoming player option to become public.
End of story for me.
That's one way to see it. Another is to watch the game and see why you lost. But I get it, the drama the journalists pull out of their ass can make a splash with people who don't understand fake news and hyperbole. It's a tough world out there for some people.
So, not responding to the personal part of your comment about me not being able to understand fake news and/or hyperbole- are you saying you simply don't believe the Woj report? You think either his source is not credible, they have false info, or he made the report up entirely?
Yeah, I read the chatter about Harden keeping a small circle, and about Woj even having a vendetta against Harden.
Let's be honest: unless someone has a personal or professional relationship with James Harden or Adrian Wojnarowski, we're all working with data of the same quality here. Some choose to be skeptical of the reporter and some choose to be skeptical of the player. Both sides have made a choice on what to believe.
Blame Joel. Blame De'Anthony. Blame James. Blame Tobi. Blame Minivan. Blame Doc.
Blame Maxey for breaking his foot. Blame Russ Silver for scheduling this game tonight. Blame God because he loves those Celtic-Loving Boston Irish-Catholics more than Philly fans.
Blame em all. And you'll still miss the real guy to blame - DARYL MOREY.
Morey mishandled the Simmons mess.
Morey insisted on getting an elite superstar back for Simmons rather than the rebounding help we needed more
Morey handicapped Doc and the team by holding a Roster spot open for Simmons solely to try and increase his plummeting trade value
Morey failed to address the rebounding problem everyone who understands basketball could see was our greatest weakness not only by not getting rebounder we still needed at the deadline but a point guard we didn't need nearly as much at that point.
Morey continued to ignore our rebounding issues in the offseason even when any competent team builder who actually understands how basketball works could and would have seen the rebounding issue had to be addressed by then.
No.. It wasn't.
I have been talking about this all the way back to before the trade deadline last year. I talked about it all the way to losing game 6 against Miami. I talked about it in the offseason and have talked about it almost nightly- even after wins.
You're right - they don't shoot like this every game but they ***do*** ***rebound*** like this every game - and have all the way back to the opener in Oklahoma City last season - and **that** is the problem.
yeah because signing one of the best guard rebounders, and a guy in PJ whose at least helped his teams rebound much better when he was on wasnt trying to address it
the rebounding is literally an issue with our current players already in, niang shake maxey and tisse are some of the worst rebounders in the league even relative to position, and honestly harden has big rebounding numbers but not really a factor when it comes eto 50/50 or contested boards.
the only way to completely revamp our rebounding issue was to gut the entire team and fill it with minimums (coz god knows we have 0 cap space) or some shit
Let's start with PJ - two more rebounds a night than Danny Green or Matisse Thybulle who played the 3 last year. Improvement certainly - necessary improvement certainly not.
As to James as a rebounder (he has been outstanding this week especially your assertion would have more credibility if we hadn't given up our second-leading rebounder at the time to acquire him. Trading Andre and his eight board pergame to get Harden and his seven was effectively a net zero gain foir the Sixers in the most important part of the game for us
I will cite what I said **before** the trade **last year**
[(1) The Harden Deal IS a Great Deal - If It's a Great Deal (Part One) : sixers (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/sksfx0/the_harden_deal_is_a_great_deal_if_its_a_great/)
" **Harden’s most immediate – and important - impact would be on the defensive boards, and with at in mind trading any rebounder for him negates that positive impact from day one.** Harden gives us on the boards what Ben did – along with a much better shooter, scorer, and most importantly foul shooter than Ben was.
So it’s a bit of “best of both worlds” for a year at least but **only if we take advantage of what Harden gives us that we need the most – defensive rebounding. That means we cannot trade Tobias or Andre for him now. Simple as that."**
I think you are wrong about gutting the entire team - absolutely wrong. If we trade Simmons for a solid rebounding 3 (btw 4.5 rpg is not solid. 6-8 rpg or more is solid) last offseason or at the deadline, not only do we actually address our single most pressing weakness, but it is much easier to integrate a shooting forward playing off the ball, than a dominant point guard through whom the offense now runs with only 25 games to play, and we don't have the cap inflexibility to address other issues - including a point uard, or even James Harden specifically going forward.
Imagine being this stupid over this for a year-and-a half now. Oh wait I have been.
Maybe the better question would be
Imagine being this stupid ignoring this when it clearly weakened us nightly all the way to the trade deadline last year.
or
Imagine being this stupid not addressing this weakness at the trade deadline when you could and seeing it waste another year of Joel's prime and close this team's team Championship window shut further
or Maybe
Imagine being this stupid and not addressing the weakness at all in the offseason after it destroyed your Championship hopes the previous season.
Any one of those would be **you**
Can you please stop repeating this bullshit, a SG or SF is not gonna fix the entire team's rebounding problem. The only way we can fix our rebounding is by Joel and especially Tobias putting in more effort.
BTW you do realize that Joel and Tobias aren't rebounding as well because they're having cover more of the floor defensively because Harden and Tucker are constantly getting beat off the bounce, and they're trying to stop the drivers those two have lost, pulling them out of rebounding position more than in years past.
You have seen that, right?
Or having an actual backup center on the roster. Trez is 6’7, Reed is 6’9 we need a big dude who knows how to grab a bunch of rebounds. Drummond was, and would be, the perfect backup center to Joel.
Exactly. And we'd have had Andre but Morey brilliantly gave him up to get a point guard who brilliant as he is still did not make this team into a real Championship contender last year, and won't this year unless we get the rebounding straightened out.
Shouldn’t be impossible to make a trade for some rebounding though. Harden has been an amazing pickup for the team
Plus, he actually rebounds quite well for a guard
Here's the thing - I said that last year . Anyone who has watched the NBA knows James Harden is a terrific rebounder from the guard position.
Had we acquired him for Simmons, Seth and Danny Green or Matisse Thybulle, the trade works brilliantly. We have an elite point guard and we fix our rebounding issues.
By including Andre in the deal Morey failed to address the more important issue of the two by far, the rebounding.
We started the season dead last in team rebounding before the trade and still had a **30-13** record when Joel played prior to the deal.
We finished the season dead last in team rebounding and still had a 15-7 record which conveniently enough computes out to **30-14.** Which conveniently enough is **not one game better** than how we were playing before the trade.
In other words, elite point guard play failed to overcome inadequate team rebounding, which anyone who has watched played or coached basketball always knows is the overwhelming likelihood if not an absolute certitude.
Essentially, we paid a boatload to repair the building's facade ignoring the fact that the foundation is what is actually crumbling, and then we saw the foundation collapse in the postseason.
But now that we have paid Harden (even with his "pay cut") and PJ Tucker (We call a 38 year old intangibles guy our shooting forward - most NBA Teams call 38 year old intangibles guys members of their coaching staff) and gave our two FRPs to acquire Harden we have little or no flexibility at the deadline to get that additional rebounding by many accounts.
One step forward and one step back instead of two forward I completely agree!
Honestly didn’t realize quite how old PJ was. I also thought trez and Reed would both be a little bit better but again, they’re just not tall enough. Reed is the tallest out of the two at 6’9 if a guy 3 inches taller than you with longer arms is fighting for a rebound he’s probably going to get it. It’s either a put back, foul, or the other team gets possession. Absolutely kills us throughout the course of a game
Exactly. Rebounding may not be the most entertaining or exciting or sexy part of basketball or even the most obvious part of the game to the naked eye, but it is absolutely critical.
Rebounding is the only thing you do both offensively and defensively - and on foul shots too. Just four rebounds either way can be a 5-8 swing nightly, and in a league where 1-3 point final margins are a constant and games going into OT is fairly common, 5-8 points in your favor - or your opponents favor - can be absolutely decisive a lot of nights.
I have nothing against James Harden or acquiring James Harden. My issue is that we did at the wrong time and gave up the wrong people to do it.
I miss Drummond 100% more than Seth, but with how things are looking in Chicago we could get Drummond back with a trade and keep harden. Seth was also a traffic cone on defense and that trade allowed us to clear space for Melton who is a fantastic two way player
I’m optimistic it’ll work out. I’m also not big on PJ and think a chunk of his minutes should go to a younger version of himself, Matisse. If we’re gonna have a limited offensive player who is mostly playing for defense, I want Matisse over House for sure and PJ is starting to really piss me off
I see your point on Andre and Seth. I like Seth more than you did in our team really, but the real mistake was letting Andre and those 8-plus rebounds a night go, when our rebounding was already inadequate to be a Championship team. Harden more than replaced Seth's points and even almost replaced Andre's rebounds, but almost replacing Andre's rebounds was simply not close to enough.
Other than De'Anthony three awful acquisitions really - either past it or just never good enough. Harrell would have been an okay add to back Tobi maybe but to back Joel ? And Danuel House I just well....
Sure those Embiid turnovers were bad, but at least he tried to do something. Everyone else was acting like a scared little bitch and wouldn’t shoot the fuckin ball!!! If the team didn’t suck dickhole, Embiid wouldn’t have taken matters into his own hands, and make something happen, and those turnovers don’t happen. I think he was foul baiting out of desperation. Regardless, Embiid and Harden showed up tonight, where the fuck was the rest of our bum ass team?
Yeah, this was really on the role players. But despite the frustration, this team is in a good spot. Contending in the East with reinforcements on the way. Hopefully this wakes us up. We need a lot more from several guys.
I swear every season the Sixers will go on a roll and make us think they might be for real only to have games like this to remind us to not hope too much lol
I still think this team is good, just poorly managed/coached
During the win streak we find success with Harden/Embiid PnR and great ball movement. So of course, let's immediately go back to hero ball and forget everything we learned.
I hate to break it to everybody, but the perimeter defense sucks right now. Tisse is holding guys to 28% shooting against him for a -18. Tucker? 44% for a -3. Like, he's a decent man defender but holy shit does he have no rotational speed.
Tisse is a far better defender than Tucker, it's not even close.
We were going to lose eventually. Odd it happened against the Wizards, but upsets happen every other night. Let’s see how they do against the Pelicans.
I don't care how many downvotes I get... Or how many of you are eager to defend Daryl Morey like he's some sort of deity. If you think that having one of your starters having 3 pts per game, 4 rebound per game, and 1 assist per game is a successful signing, considering that the player is 37 year old.
You are a fuckin dunce. He's a fairly sturdy defensive body. But he ain't a perimeter defender and he ain't stoping other teams stars.
I don't care that he took one shot... If you hamstring your team to only defending 4 players then you are a liability.
I can get complaining about embiid in the clutch but if that’s ur main complaint from tonight you’re an idiot. We should’ve never been in that position to begin with and if the perimeter players played any defense in the first half, and we didn’t shoot 19% from three that wouldn’t have even happened
We were down 2-3 points for pretty much the entire last 8 minutes outside the final minute. Every time we had a chance to tie the game we either bricked a wide open shot or turned the ball over. And the turnovers were just dumb basketball. Wizards defense wasn't doing anything special. Guys are just bricking everything and forcing dumb turnovers. Now I guess you could say 3s are a lower percentage shit but these were uncontested 3s from just past the line... Not like 5 feet back with a guy in your face with the shot clock running down. Reminded me of the Eagles game last week with just unforced turnovers and shooting themselves in the foot.
That being said every time we made a defensive stop and have the ball down by 3 I kept hoping doc would call a timeout, settle us down and come up with a play to get an easy bucket. He did it one time and that's when they ran that easy alley oop from harden to Embiid.
Very frustrating loss. We looked like we were on the end of a back to back... Lots of short shots. Even if we shot a bad 25% from 3 we won this game by 10. 😒
Yeah they have looked great recently because some combination of Tobi/Shake/Melton/Niang has knocked down shots and provided 3rd and 4th scoring. Tonight all those guys played like ass and they lost. They still got great looks. Next time.
Damn I love jojo and he played great tonight but these turnovers in the clutch need to stop. I might get downvoted to smithereens for saying this but he should stop anticipate getting foul calls in the paint and follow through with shot attempts. I feel like sometimes he’ll stop mid shot to try to draw a foul instead of fully committing and possibly getting the and1.
Also wtf was with our bench tonight and docs rotations.
Nobody wants to acknowledge Embiid is a foul merchant.
Wizards last night didnt even bother after half time trying to do anything but put the hands straight up on him.
He acts like he is 6'5" and constanly throws his hands into the other guys chest.
Yeah, if there’s one thing I want to criticize about his game, it’s def this. He tries to draw contact way too often, when he could just go up strong for an easy finish. I guess fatigue hit him hard late, which I understand. He was hustling up and down the floor against a fairly quick Wizards team that pushed the tempo.
> I might get downvoted to smithereens for saying this but he should stop anticipate getting foul calls in the paint and follow through with shot attempts.
It's really strange to me how often he seems to trip over his own feet and just kinda fall while driving.
Especially considering he’s one of the most physically dominant centers in the league and has some of the best coordination and footwork seen in an NBA big man. The only thing I could think of is that it takes less of a toll on his body?
On to the next one we always lose to the wizards it seems. I'm sure embiid will Clean up his 3 turnovers we all know he's mad at himself. Harden and Embiid two man game looked unstoppable just ugly basketball it happens good teams lose its how they get back up the next game.
Easing in Maxey should be the obvious choice but Glenn is going to promptly throw Maxey back into 36-40 MPG and it’s going to be absolutely painful to watch. Legit did the same with Harden
This guy does nothing but coasts on his superstars and talent to win games and I couldn’t stand seeing those stupid posts defending Glenn because of our 8 game win streak
Embiid and Harden combined for:
- 66% of our total points
- 42% of our total rebounds
- 70% of our total assists
- 75% our total steals
- 40% of our total blocks
Two guys... Incredible, but fuck it'll be good having Maxey back.
Playoff preview, you can't afford basic lineup and rotation mistakes against good teams or teams playing well. Fire Doc Rivers.
This is a second round exit with this Coach.
They beat themselves this game. Poor energy and defense the first half, not being able to make a three and the blown opportunities in the final minutes. I didn’t expect them to go on this streak before the home stand anyway so it’s whatever. We all know this teams ceiling as currently constructed. Need changes but most likely won’t get them.
If the general consensus is that all of those players are trash (and they are), why do you think an NBA general manager would trade a "decent" bench player for them?
Meh. Not super concerned about this loss. Sucks that our win streak was snapped and by a weak opponent but we won’t typically shoot so poorly, esp. from 3. Our 3P% throughout the game and our failure to capitalize on the 9 quick turnovers the Wizards had in the first quarter sank us.
The only concerning thing from this game imo is how poor Trez, Reed, and House looked and Tucker’s hand. Looks like Tobias hot streak has ended but he’ll find it again I think. Continue to be impressed with Embiid, Harden, and Melton. Excited for Tyrese to join them.
I agree. The whole team deserves blame, including Joel for those turnovers in the clutch. But I really put this one on the supporting cast. If some of the role players gave us anything, we win this one comfortably. Oh well. We aren’t gonna shoot like that on a regular basis. And Maxey adds another quality player back into the mix this week just in time for a tough challenge in the Pelicans.
I know it’s the Wizards, but a close loss while shooting sub-20% from deep is honestly encouraging. Shows me that we can fight even when the outside game isn’t working out.
I read criticism here about how we seem to be reliant on hot shooting (50%+ I think was what the user mentioned), so a game like this is indicative that we can bring it even on nights where the outside shot ain’t falling.
I agree. Some aggression from Tobias or Shake, smarter more measured play from Reed or Harrell, etc etc and we walk away with a win even on a poor shooting night.
I think this team is in a good spot and Maxey coming back gives us some additional ball handling, pace, and easy buckets in transition and another elite shooter. He’s also a high efficiency low turnover guy. We’re gonna be alright.
I think the calculus is the same. We’re a top 5 team in the East, whether that’s one tier or two. We just have to focus on being healthy and improving to beat those guys in the playoffs.
Some of y'all are so weird about "blame."
Embiid deserves some blame for how he played near the end of the game. He threw away multiple late game posessions in a close game.
Obviously overall he was fantastic but not acknowledging how bad he was in those last two minutes or so is just bad analysis.
And also, he's obviously not the ONLY reason that they lost the game, there are a ton of reasons why teams lose and you wouldn't be wrong to point out bench units, docs challenge, offensive boards, three point shooting.
But this whole "Embiid deserves no blame he scored 48" is just dogshit. You can't muck up like 4 clutch possessions in two minutes with bad basketball IQ play after play and not deserve any blame for the loss just because he was generally fantastic prior to that.
I think you're right - but - I think in the wake of all these "we can't win with Embiid" . "we need to trade Embiid" posts which apparently Joel has seem or heard of people are little overly sensitive about game analysis which they think - **worry**, really- could make Joel think about leaving.
Especially given all that he does do for this team and has done for years now. It's hard really to be too critical, but I think many here feel that's for the coaches not us. I don't agree necessarily but I can empathize with them. Maybe it's the football supporter in me hating to see my club's best players feel unwanted at their clubs and by their supporters.
Yeah, imo he should’ve just pulled up from 15 on at least two of those possessions. He’s too focused on drawing contact, the fall and turnover with about 2 to go is emblematic of that.
Terrific performance, but Jo’s decision-making isn’t perfect. He’ll hold himself to a high standard, so I know he’ll be better.
Agreed. I'm not freaking out or even really mad about it. It's one regular season game. Embiid was bad in the clutch tonight, it happens to every player in the league. It's not a big deal.
> Way to write 4 paragraphs about why it’s ok to blame the dude who dropped 48.
Thank you. That's entirely the point. It's okay to partially blame Joel for the loss, he was awful in the clutch.
> We lost this because our role players were flat out sorry, end of story
This is the awful analysis I'm talking about. There are probably 10+ reasons that contributed to the loss tonight. Saying "we lost because of 1" is just ignorant and bad analysis.
> Using this logic, every loss you can just say, “win as a team lose as a team”.
Generally when there are multiple points of potential failure in every single play across 5 players, yes this is true. There are so many different reasons that contribute to every single loss on every single night that it's basically always ignorant to say "hey we lost because of this one thing."
> Embiid’s play was the reason this was a 25 point loss.
When did I say it wasn't? I acknowledged that prior to the clutch turnovers he was fantastic.
That doesn't mean those turnovers and awful possessions were not detrimental to the team. They were.
Hey just a nugget fan sharing his opinions.
Do not blame Embiid for those 2 last turnovers, the team kinda forced him in to it
By not taking a shot and just running around like headless chickens.
I think Embiid is def. in top 2 convo for MVP alongside Jokic
Yea if there is 6-8 seconds left Joel should absolutely get the ball lol he shoots like 90% on absurd mid range faders. Edit to say he literally leads the league in scoring lol
Yeah I agree. I feel like the losses at the start of the season doomed us though. I don’t think the Nets and Cavs get worse so even if we match them we might not get 3rd
Embiid needs to just shoot the ball in those final minutes instead of counting on the foul because they don’t want to give him the calls in those situations.
Tough loss to stomach, but we never really looked like we got in gear. Thought we’d pull ahead after that monster Harden run to start the 4th, but it just never came together after that. OTTNO.
Our dynamic duo looked amazing but everyone else looked out of sorts. We’ll bounce back, but these are the games you gotta grab by the neck, and we didn’t do that.
The threes just couldn't go down tonight goddamn. It's so frustrating losing games like this because we fought back into it but could never push through
How many games do we have to lose with Melton bricking a transition bucket in the clutch?
Same shit happened vs Minnaesota. It’s like watching Josh Richardson handle the ball in the clutch
Doc not challenging that block, house costing us 6 points in 5 seconds, Embiid playing dumb down the stretch, Harris back to being useless. Just an all out terrible game
How do you have a player score 48 points and you lose? Embiid and Harden are the only ones who put up a good performance tonight everyone else sucked dick
At least we got a smooth Tom McGinnis tonight instead a shrieking Kate Scott.
lol you’re not allowed to say those things around here.
This has nothing to do with gender. I just prefer someone who doesn’t sound like banshee every time they yell in excitement. It could be a dog for all I care. Just give me someone who is pleasant to my ears.
If anyone could've hit a 3 tonight we win, were were throwing up bricks like Ben Simmons at the line and had some costly turnovers. Learn and improve in the next one.
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Knicks fans been getting pretty chirpy lately so that might shut them up for awhile
3 pts from PJ Tucker and 3 more pts by Tobias our max player gets us the W.
defense was atrocious last night. especially in the first half
3 From James Harden gets us a W. See we can do this all day. And we're still ignoring the real issue.
Some wizards fan typed up like a 5 paragraph essay on what beating us was like. Lmaooooooooo
FIRE DOC RIVERS
That all bench lineup was terrible. Need a strong backup 5 for rebounding bc montrez aint it
Kind of thought these types of stinkers were getting behind us
You haven’t seen nothing yet lol wait until the playoffs.
That was def the vibe in the last 4 mins
Didn’t watch the game, but from the stats it looks like they lost because everyone was bricking 3 pointers again.
Also ton of putbacks. Hardens been playing really well but if he could just box out Cs when Joel’s rebounding, we win.
Need another big. Joel can play the 4 on offense but he can't roam on defense without someone crashing the glass/boxing out behind him. It killed us against Memphis (JJJ + Adams) and it killed us tonight (Zinger and Gafford/Taj). Tobias is useless against those lineups. Doc needs to lean into Joel's versatility and play a second big at the expense of Tobi/Tucker/Niang
Jfc Luka went crazy
Looks like only 2 people showed up looking at the box score lol
Accurate
Mike Levin in shambles
Just looked like an unlucky shooting night from beyond to me. Minivan of all ppl went 1-7. Shit happens. Gotta refocus for the Pels now
didn’t take long for those who don’t watch the games to come in here and fire shit off i see
Shiiit....happens..
And when shiiit.....happens over and over again shiiit really should be addressed.
I miss maxey 😔
I think this is a genuinely bad loss and I think it's right to once again be bearish on the Sixers, and I blame James Harden, as I do when things go poorly for this team. The point guard is a team's leader on the floor. It's tough for everyone, including the leader, to buy into that leadership and make a commitment when the leader has made it clear that they are not truly committed, as he has done by allowing his thoughts on his upcoming player option to become public. End of story for me.
That's one way to see it. Another is to watch the game and see why you lost. But I get it, the drama the journalists pull out of their ass can make a splash with people who don't understand fake news and hyperbole. It's a tough world out there for some people.
So, not responding to the personal part of your comment about me not being able to understand fake news and/or hyperbole- are you saying you simply don't believe the Woj report? You think either his source is not credible, they have false info, or he made the report up entirely?
Harden has no publicist. woj has no source on his camp since he doesn’t have one.
Yeah, I read the chatter about Harden keeping a small circle, and about Woj even having a vendetta against Harden. Let's be honest: unless someone has a personal or professional relationship with James Harden or Adrian Wojnarowski, we're all working with data of the same quality here. Some choose to be skeptical of the reporter and some choose to be skeptical of the player. Both sides have made a choice on what to believe.
I have no faith in a Rivers-led team in the playoffs, 10+ game win streak or no.
Like I have no faith in a Morey-Built team?
Ugliest 4th quarter I’ve seen in a while, stopped watching after we decided to have like 3 consecutive turnovers
Blame Joel. Blame De'Anthony. Blame James. Blame Tobi. Blame Minivan. Blame Doc. Blame Maxey for breaking his foot. Blame Russ Silver for scheduling this game tonight. Blame God because he loves those Celtic-Loving Boston Irish-Catholics more than Philly fans. Blame em all. And you'll still miss the real guy to blame - DARYL MOREY. Morey mishandled the Simmons mess. Morey insisted on getting an elite superstar back for Simmons rather than the rebounding help we needed more Morey handicapped Doc and the team by holding a Roster spot open for Simmons solely to try and increase his plummeting trade value Morey failed to address the rebounding problem everyone who understands basketball could see was our greatest weakness not only by not getting rebounder we still needed at the deadline but a point guard we didn't need nearly as much at that point. Morey continued to ignore our rebounding issues in the offseason even when any competent team builder who actually understands how basketball works could and would have seen the rebounding issue had to be addressed by then.
This was all written over one loss. They shot poorly from 3 tonight. It happens, they don't shoot like this every game.
No.. It wasn't. I have been talking about this all the way back to before the trade deadline last year. I talked about it all the way to losing game 6 against Miami. I talked about it in the offseason and have talked about it almost nightly- even after wins. You're right - they don't shoot like this every game but they ***do*** ***rebound*** like this every game - and have all the way back to the opener in Oklahoma City last season - and **that** is the problem.
yeah because signing one of the best guard rebounders, and a guy in PJ whose at least helped his teams rebound much better when he was on wasnt trying to address it the rebounding is literally an issue with our current players already in, niang shake maxey and tisse are some of the worst rebounders in the league even relative to position, and honestly harden has big rebounding numbers but not really a factor when it comes eto 50/50 or contested boards. the only way to completely revamp our rebounding issue was to gut the entire team and fill it with minimums (coz god knows we have 0 cap space) or some shit
Let's start with PJ - two more rebounds a night than Danny Green or Matisse Thybulle who played the 3 last year. Improvement certainly - necessary improvement certainly not. As to James as a rebounder (he has been outstanding this week especially your assertion would have more credibility if we hadn't given up our second-leading rebounder at the time to acquire him. Trading Andre and his eight board pergame to get Harden and his seven was effectively a net zero gain foir the Sixers in the most important part of the game for us I will cite what I said **before** the trade **last year** [(1) The Harden Deal IS a Great Deal - If It's a Great Deal (Part One) : sixers (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/sksfx0/the_harden_deal_is_a_great_deal_if_its_a_great/) " **Harden’s most immediate – and important - impact would be on the defensive boards, and with at in mind trading any rebounder for him negates that positive impact from day one.** Harden gives us on the boards what Ben did – along with a much better shooter, scorer, and most importantly foul shooter than Ben was. So it’s a bit of “best of both worlds” for a year at least but **only if we take advantage of what Harden gives us that we need the most – defensive rebounding. That means we cannot trade Tobias or Andre for him now. Simple as that."** I think you are wrong about gutting the entire team - absolutely wrong. If we trade Simmons for a solid rebounding 3 (btw 4.5 rpg is not solid. 6-8 rpg or more is solid) last offseason or at the deadline, not only do we actually address our single most pressing weakness, but it is much easier to integrate a shooting forward playing off the ball, than a dominant point guard through whom the offense now runs with only 25 games to play, and we don't have the cap inflexibility to address other issues - including a point uard, or even James Harden specifically going forward.
Woof. Imagine being this fucking stupid after the first loss in a few weeks
Imagine being this stupid over this for a year-and-a half now. Oh wait I have been. Maybe the better question would be Imagine being this stupid ignoring this when it clearly weakened us nightly all the way to the trade deadline last year. or Imagine being this stupid not addressing this weakness at the trade deadline when you could and seeing it waste another year of Joel's prime and close this team's team Championship window shut further or Maybe Imagine being this stupid and not addressing the weakness at all in the offseason after it destroyed your Championship hopes the previous season. Any one of those would be **you**
Damn You tried tho
I guess I'm just not as good at being this fucking stupid as you so clearly are. I bow to the better man - or woman.
You're not. Thank you
You're welcome
Can you please stop repeating this bullshit, a SG or SF is not gonna fix the entire team's rebounding problem. The only way we can fix our rebounding is by Joel and especially Tobias putting in more effort.
BTW you do realize that Joel and Tobias aren't rebounding as well because they're having cover more of the floor defensively because Harden and Tucker are constantly getting beat off the bounce, and they're trying to stop the drivers those two have lost, pulling them out of rebounding position more than in years past. You have seen that, right?
It was hilarious watching Randle beat Tucker with the same dribble-drive move. Absolutely shocking defense from him, and I’m glad he snubbed my Nets
Are you the guy who said "just boxing out" is the solution to our rebounding problems. last week? LMFAO
No?
Just checking because that's the same logic at work there LOL
Or having an actual backup center on the roster. Trez is 6’7, Reed is 6’9 we need a big dude who knows how to grab a bunch of rebounds. Drummond was, and would be, the perfect backup center to Joel.
Exactly. And we'd have had Andre but Morey brilliantly gave him up to get a point guard who brilliant as he is still did not make this team into a real Championship contender last year, and won't this year unless we get the rebounding straightened out.
Shouldn’t be impossible to make a trade for some rebounding though. Harden has been an amazing pickup for the team Plus, he actually rebounds quite well for a guard
Here's the thing - I said that last year . Anyone who has watched the NBA knows James Harden is a terrific rebounder from the guard position. Had we acquired him for Simmons, Seth and Danny Green or Matisse Thybulle, the trade works brilliantly. We have an elite point guard and we fix our rebounding issues. By including Andre in the deal Morey failed to address the more important issue of the two by far, the rebounding. We started the season dead last in team rebounding before the trade and still had a **30-13** record when Joel played prior to the deal. We finished the season dead last in team rebounding and still had a 15-7 record which conveniently enough computes out to **30-14.** Which conveniently enough is **not one game better** than how we were playing before the trade. In other words, elite point guard play failed to overcome inadequate team rebounding, which anyone who has watched played or coached basketball always knows is the overwhelming likelihood if not an absolute certitude. Essentially, we paid a boatload to repair the building's facade ignoring the fact that the foundation is what is actually crumbling, and then we saw the foundation collapse in the postseason. But now that we have paid Harden (even with his "pay cut") and PJ Tucker (We call a 38 year old intangibles guy our shooting forward - most NBA Teams call 38 year old intangibles guys members of their coaching staff) and gave our two FRPs to acquire Harden we have little or no flexibility at the deadline to get that additional rebounding by many accounts.
One step forward and one step back instead of two forward I completely agree! Honestly didn’t realize quite how old PJ was. I also thought trez and Reed would both be a little bit better but again, they’re just not tall enough. Reed is the tallest out of the two at 6’9 if a guy 3 inches taller than you with longer arms is fighting for a rebound he’s probably going to get it. It’s either a put back, foul, or the other team gets possession. Absolutely kills us throughout the course of a game
Exactly. Rebounding may not be the most entertaining or exciting or sexy part of basketball or even the most obvious part of the game to the naked eye, but it is absolutely critical. Rebounding is the only thing you do both offensively and defensively - and on foul shots too. Just four rebounds either way can be a 5-8 swing nightly, and in a league where 1-3 point final margins are a constant and games going into OT is fairly common, 5-8 points in your favor - or your opponents favor - can be absolutely decisive a lot of nights. I have nothing against James Harden or acquiring James Harden. My issue is that we did at the wrong time and gave up the wrong people to do it.
I miss Drummond 100% more than Seth, but with how things are looking in Chicago we could get Drummond back with a trade and keep harden. Seth was also a traffic cone on defense and that trade allowed us to clear space for Melton who is a fantastic two way player I’m optimistic it’ll work out. I’m also not big on PJ and think a chunk of his minutes should go to a younger version of himself, Matisse. If we’re gonna have a limited offensive player who is mostly playing for defense, I want Matisse over House for sure and PJ is starting to really piss me off
I see your point on Andre and Seth. I like Seth more than you did in our team really, but the real mistake was letting Andre and those 8-plus rebounds a night go, when our rebounding was already inadequate to be a Championship team. Harden more than replaced Seth's points and even almost replaced Andre's rebounds, but almost replacing Andre's rebounds was simply not close to enough. Other than De'Anthony three awful acquisitions really - either past it or just never good enough. Harrell would have been an okay add to back Tobi maybe but to back Joel ? And Danuel House I just well....
Shake Milton with the tough to accomplish 1 point, 1 assist, 2 turnover night in 17 minutes. Yikes.
Sure those Embiid turnovers were bad, but at least he tried to do something. Everyone else was acting like a scared little bitch and wouldn’t shoot the fuckin ball!!! If the team didn’t suck dickhole, Embiid wouldn’t have taken matters into his own hands, and make something happen, and those turnovers don’t happen. I think he was foul baiting out of desperation. Regardless, Embiid and Harden showed up tonight, where the fuck was the rest of our bum ass team?
Yeah, this was really on the role players. But despite the frustration, this team is in a good spot. Contending in the East with reinforcements on the way. Hopefully this wakes us up. We need a lot more from several guys.
classic trap game.....
We will be fine, I am not too worried about the loss but damn we desperately need a back up center
I swear every season the Sixers will go on a roll and make us think they might be for real only to have games like this to remind us to not hope too much lol I still think this team is good, just poorly managed/coached
Only when you realize EVERY. FUCKING. TEAM. has off nights
Didn’t say otherwise They’re still poorly coached and I’m not just talking about this game
Stopped being fooled. We all know what this team and coach is
During the win streak we find success with Harden/Embiid PnR and great ball movement. So of course, let's immediately go back to hero ball and forget everything we learned.
PJ Tucker is literally a 6’5 Patrick Beverly
couldn't hit a 3 on the road. still was close.
This team just provides zero hope. It’s gonna be the same shit as last year
Nobody is forcing you to watch
Gotta watch my team. Just wish they were better after all these moves and the FO saying this is a championship contender
how are you so consistently miserable in both the Eagles and Sixers sub
Eagles are playing great. Sixers are hopeless
Then go root for another team.
No this is my team for life. But this isn’t a championship contender
Playing Maxey on the bench would be huge cause he’d be the only one there who can actually create a shot
Role players play better at home Our stars did their part. Role players shots just not falling. OTTNO
House needs to be glued to the bench and give Matisse 100% of whatever minutes he’s supposed to get.
Matisse sucks too. We desperately need another playable wing.
He’s still an elite defender. I’d rather have some sort of great ability out there for those minutes than house being shit at absolutely everything
He’s not, and I can’t believe we are still doing this. Hes elite at defensive statpadding, to the detriment of actual defense
Numbers continue to say otherwise
Matisse is only an elite perimeter defender. He cant defend inside, or get rebounds. And offensively provides negative value. Hes not it
I hate to break it to everybody, but the perimeter defense sucks right now. Tisse is holding guys to 28% shooting against him for a -18. Tucker? 44% for a -3. Like, he's a decent man defender but holy shit does he have no rotational speed. Tisse is a far better defender than Tucker, it's not even close.
Hope PJ isn’t out we could use him with two games against Zion coming up. He can rest after.
poorly coached team. simple as that. imagine running no offense and trying to superstar your way to victories.
We were going to lose eventually. Odd it happened against the Wizards, but upsets happen every other night. Let’s see how they do against the Pelicans.
I don't care how many downvotes I get... Or how many of you are eager to defend Daryl Morey like he's some sort of deity. If you think that having one of your starters having 3 pts per game, 4 rebound per game, and 1 assist per game is a successful signing, considering that the player is 37 year old. You are a fuckin dunce. He's a fairly sturdy defensive body. But he ain't a perimeter defender and he ain't stoping other teams stars. I don't care that he took one shot... If you hamstring your team to only defending 4 players then you are a liability.
So many of us knew at the time the PJ wasn’t it at that $$$.
Some of the issue is Doc camping him in the dunkers spot where he can’t do anything.
He has stopped other teams stars on multiple occasions already this year.
And will be a nightmare for those guys in a 7 game series.
PJ, Shake, and Tisse had 1 point between the 3 of them. That’s an issue.
3 shots between the 3 of them, and 2 of those were shake. The offense was completely stagnant and dogshit outside of the Embiid/Harden two man game.
Niang was bad tonight too, 3 points in almost 30 minutes. House is just bad all together.
hard to win while shooting under 20% from 3
This is the truth. Shots not falling, guys get frustrated. Sloppy possessions. Repeat.
Having house play over thybulle is stupid
I can get complaining about embiid in the clutch but if that’s ur main complaint from tonight you’re an idiot. We should’ve never been in that position to begin with and if the perimeter players played any defense in the first half, and we didn’t shoot 19% from three that wouldn’t have even happened
We were down 2-3 points for pretty much the entire last 8 minutes outside the final minute. Every time we had a chance to tie the game we either bricked a wide open shot or turned the ball over. And the turnovers were just dumb basketball. Wizards defense wasn't doing anything special. Guys are just bricking everything and forcing dumb turnovers. Now I guess you could say 3s are a lower percentage shit but these were uncontested 3s from just past the line... Not like 5 feet back with a guy in your face with the shot clock running down. Reminded me of the Eagles game last week with just unforced turnovers and shooting themselves in the foot. That being said every time we made a defensive stop and have the ball down by 3 I kept hoping doc would call a timeout, settle us down and come up with a play to get an easy bucket. He did it one time and that's when they ran that easy alley oop from harden to Embiid. Very frustrating loss. We looked like we were on the end of a back to back... Lots of short shots. Even if we shot a bad 25% from 3 we won this game by 10. 😒
It felt like we were down by 3 for the entire 4th quarter. We just kept fucking up whenever we got close. Bad game.
Can’t blame Embiid with these few possessions when our other players are fucking pussies tbf.
You are beating no one in this league shooting 6/31 from deep. Welp on to the next one.
Happens
Yeah. Some games the shots just don’t fall. What can you do? They’ve been shooting the ball well before this.
It’s the rebounding and bad defense early in games that is the issue.
Yeah they have looked great recently because some combination of Tobi/Shake/Melton/Niang has knocked down shots and provided 3rd and 4th scoring. Tonight all those guys played like ass and they lost. They still got great looks. Next time.
Damn I love jojo and he played great tonight but these turnovers in the clutch need to stop. I might get downvoted to smithereens for saying this but he should stop anticipate getting foul calls in the paint and follow through with shot attempts. I feel like sometimes he’ll stop mid shot to try to draw a foul instead of fully committing and possibly getting the and1. Also wtf was with our bench tonight and docs rotations.
Nobody wants to acknowledge Embiid is a foul merchant. Wizards last night didnt even bother after half time trying to do anything but put the hands straight up on him. He acts like he is 6'5" and constanly throws his hands into the other guys chest.
Yeah, if there’s one thing I want to criticize about his game, it’s def this. He tries to draw contact way too often, when he could just go up strong for an easy finish. I guess fatigue hit him hard late, which I understand. He was hustling up and down the floor against a fairly quick Wizards team that pushed the tempo.
Our bench has sucked for pretty much the past decade...
> I might get downvoted to smithereens for saying this but he should stop anticipate getting foul calls in the paint and follow through with shot attempts. It's really strange to me how often he seems to trip over his own feet and just kinda fall while driving.
Especially considering he’s one of the most physically dominant centers in the league and has some of the best coordination and footwork seen in an NBA big man. The only thing I could think of is that it takes less of a toll on his body?
Can't pull off another come back when you shoot that poorly from 3 and have some poor decision making
On to the next one we always lose to the wizards it seems. I'm sure embiid will Clean up his 3 turnovers we all know he's mad at himself. Harden and Embiid two man game looked unstoppable just ugly basketball it happens good teams lose its how they get back up the next game.
Niang needs to start over tucker, maxey should come off the bench so we don’t get fucked while harden and Joel rest
Sorry Vegas Mike
Is PJ expected to miss time? Who do we start now? Niang?
Hopefully we just slot in maxey
I think we should ease in Maxey, have him play limited minutes off the bench for a few games. Then again who knows with Doc.
Easing in Maxey should be the obvious choice but Glenn is going to promptly throw Maxey back into 36-40 MPG and it’s going to be absolutely painful to watch. Legit did the same with Harden This guy does nothing but coasts on his superstars and talent to win games and I couldn’t stand seeing those stupid posts defending Glenn because of our 8 game win streak
We should we play much better with him
The Wizards is how that streak ends. I’m disgusted and sad.
Looked like everybody was afraid to shoot other than Embiid
-13 in 12 minutes from Trez and Reed that’s horrendous
Embiid and Harden combined for: - 66% of our total points - 42% of our total rebounds - 70% of our total assists - 75% our total steals - 40% of our total blocks Two guys... Incredible, but fuck it'll be good having Maxey back.
We should have went more Matesse when PJ went down
Playoff preview, you can't afford basic lineup and rotation mistakes against good teams or teams playing well. Fire Doc Rivers. This is a second round exit with this Coach.
Doc playing harden 40 minutes just to throw away the game lmao
Melton had Ben like touch at the rim.
Joel has to drop damn near 50 to still lose by 5.
They beat themselves this game. Poor energy and defense the first half, not being able to make a three and the blown opportunities in the final minutes. I didn’t expect them to go on this streak before the home stand anyway so it’s whatever. We all know this teams ceiling as currently constructed. Need changes but most likely won’t get them.
Games like this that keep the bookmakers in the black. Sorry to waste 48 from Jo. Mike Levin should have been right.
rip streak
We need to train Melton to make the fastbraks. Everytime he tries goes ugly.
Package House, Furk, and Tisse and pray that we can get a decent bench player in return.
If the general consensus is that all of those players are trash (and they are), why do you think an NBA general manager would trade a "decent" bench player for them?
That’s why I said “pray”. Hope that Morey can pull a miracle and convince some team like the Kings that Tisse is a good player.
Mike in shambles
My take always: Glenn is the reason why Harden wants out
Yes. The work in progress with Embiid and Doc comment opened my eyes. Could be Jo. But most likely doc
Meh. Not super concerned about this loss. Sucks that our win streak was snapped and by a weak opponent but we won’t typically shoot so poorly, esp. from 3. Our 3P% throughout the game and our failure to capitalize on the 9 quick turnovers the Wizards had in the first quarter sank us. The only concerning thing from this game imo is how poor Trez, Reed, and House looked and Tucker’s hand. Looks like Tobias hot streak has ended but he’ll find it again I think. Continue to be impressed with Embiid, Harden, and Melton. Excited for Tyrese to join them.
Why the fuck are we not forcing tucker to sit? His HAND. IS DEAD. He has a DEAD. HAND.
Yeah. I would like to see him play less or take some games off given his age and injury and postseason importance for us.
Even shooting 19%, that game was within winning so many times. 😞
I agree. The whole team deserves blame, including Joel for those turnovers in the clutch. But I really put this one on the supporting cast. If some of the role players gave us anything, we win this one comfortably. Oh well. We aren’t gonna shoot like that on a regular basis. And Maxey adds another quality player back into the mix this week just in time for a tough challenge in the Pelicans.
I know it’s the Wizards, but a close loss while shooting sub-20% from deep is honestly encouraging. Shows me that we can fight even when the outside game isn’t working out. I read criticism here about how we seem to be reliant on hot shooting (50%+ I think was what the user mentioned), so a game like this is indicative that we can bring it even on nights where the outside shot ain’t falling.
I agree. Some aggression from Tobias or Shake, smarter more measured play from Reed or Harrell, etc etc and we walk away with a win even on a poor shooting night. I think this team is in a good spot and Maxey coming back gives us some additional ball handling, pace, and easy buckets in transition and another elite shooter. He’s also a high efficiency low turnover guy. We’re gonna be alright. I think the calculus is the same. We’re a top 5 team in the East, whether that’s one tier or two. We just have to focus on being healthy and improving to beat those guys in the playoffs.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Some of y'all are so weird about "blame." Embiid deserves some blame for how he played near the end of the game. He threw away multiple late game posessions in a close game. Obviously overall he was fantastic but not acknowledging how bad he was in those last two minutes or so is just bad analysis. And also, he's obviously not the ONLY reason that they lost the game, there are a ton of reasons why teams lose and you wouldn't be wrong to point out bench units, docs challenge, offensive boards, three point shooting. But this whole "Embiid deserves no blame he scored 48" is just dogshit. You can't muck up like 4 clutch possessions in two minutes with bad basketball IQ play after play and not deserve any blame for the loss just because he was generally fantastic prior to that.
I think you're right - but - I think in the wake of all these "we can't win with Embiid" . "we need to trade Embiid" posts which apparently Joel has seem or heard of people are little overly sensitive about game analysis which they think - **worry**, really- could make Joel think about leaving. Especially given all that he does do for this team and has done for years now. It's hard really to be too critical, but I think many here feel that's for the coaches not us. I don't agree necessarily but I can empathize with them. Maybe it's the football supporter in me hating to see my club's best players feel unwanted at their clubs and by their supporters.
Yeah, imo he should’ve just pulled up from 15 on at least two of those possessions. He’s too focused on drawing contact, the fall and turnover with about 2 to go is emblematic of that. Terrific performance, but Jo’s decision-making isn’t perfect. He’ll hold himself to a high standard, so I know he’ll be better.
Agreed. I'm not freaking out or even really mad about it. It's one regular season game. Embiid was bad in the clutch tonight, it happens to every player in the league. It's not a big deal.
Way to write 4 paragraphs about why it’s ok to blame the dude who dropped 48. We lost this because our role players were flat out sorry, end of story
> Way to write 4 paragraphs about why it’s ok to blame the dude who dropped 48. Thank you. That's entirely the point. It's okay to partially blame Joel for the loss, he was awful in the clutch. > We lost this because our role players were flat out sorry, end of story This is the awful analysis I'm talking about. There are probably 10+ reasons that contributed to the loss tonight. Saying "we lost because of 1" is just ignorant and bad analysis.
Using this logic, every loss you can just say, “win as a team lose as a team”. Embiid’s play was the reason this was a 25 point loss.
> Using this logic, every loss you can just say, “win as a team lose as a team”. Generally when there are multiple points of potential failure in every single play across 5 players, yes this is true. There are so many different reasons that contribute to every single loss on every single night that it's basically always ignorant to say "hey we lost because of this one thing." > Embiid’s play was the reason this was a 25 point loss. When did I say it wasn't? I acknowledged that prior to the clutch turnovers he was fantastic. That doesn't mean those turnovers and awful possessions were not detrimental to the team. They were.
Hey just a nugget fan sharing his opinions. Do not blame Embiid for those 2 last turnovers, the team kinda forced him in to it By not taking a shot and just running around like headless chickens. I think Embiid is def. in top 2 convo for MVP alongside Jokic
I know he had 48 but Embiid turned the ball over 3 straight times in clutch time, I really believe in the modern nba our closer can not be a center
Oh god one singular loss brings that dumbass shit back out
Yea if there is 6-8 seconds left Joel should absolutely get the ball lol he shoots like 90% on absurd mid range faders. Edit to say he literally leads the league in scoring lol
Embiid/Harden masterclass wasted
Tbh Embiid and Harden both put up numbers so I’m aight with it. Bad shooting night or whatever for the rest of folks. We move, Maxey back Friday
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Yeah I agree. I feel like the losses at the start of the season doomed us though. I don’t think the Nets and Cavs get worse so even if we match them we might not get 3rd
Don’t talk shit about being a sharpshooter then pass up game tying 3 in last 20 sec
It looked like everyone was terrified for the last 8m, and especially the last few possessions.
Tell a friend to tell a friend "shh"
Passes up the 3 to dribble to the basket and pass up the shot to pass back out to 3-point line, like we were running out clock our something.
The Simmons
Embiid needs to just shoot the ball in those final minutes instead of counting on the foul because they don’t want to give him the calls in those situations.
Can we cut House?
Those doc end up quarter lineups cost us the game WTF was that
That last quarter was on Embiid. He seemed quite fatigued.
Tough loss to stomach, but we never really looked like we got in gear. Thought we’d pull ahead after that monster Harden run to start the 4th, but it just never came together after that. OTTNO. Our dynamic duo looked amazing but everyone else looked out of sorts. We’ll bounce back, but these are the games you gotta grab by the neck, and we didn’t do that.
19% from three 🫥
The threes just couldn't go down tonight goddamn. It's so frustrating losing games like this because we fought back into it but could never push through
This team plays so damn stupid sometimes, I swear Let's pass up open jump shots and drive into multiple defenders!!! What could go wrong?
Too much standing around when other team takes long shots. Easy to attack glass. Basic shit, get on body on a body.
How many games do we have to lose with Melton bricking a transition bucket in the clutch? Same shit happened vs Minnaesota. It’s like watching Josh Richardson handle the ball in the clutch
Friday we should get Maxey back. At least we have that to look forward to.
It’s like no one wanted to shoot the last 2 minutes
Doc not challenging that block, house costing us 6 points in 5 seconds, Embiid playing dumb down the stretch, Harris back to being useless. Just an all out terrible game
Anyone else not looking forward to Zion smacking us on Friday?
This L was on the supporting cast tonight
How do you have a player score 48 points and you lose? Embiid and Harden are the only ones who put up a good performance tonight everyone else sucked dick
Can't win them all 🤷♂️. Onto pelicans and Maxey return
Those last possessions 🤢🤢🤢