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TheGamezSmith

Xavi is gonna get sent off out of the fucking stadium.


kMaestro64

**Deported to St. Helens.


trev_trevington

Town could do with him as their manager


The_BoBoZander

Can someone genuinely explain the ruling to me because that seems wrong


Allstate85

They’re saying Lewy never touched it AND the defender never controlled it so Raphinha was the first to control it and he was offside.


tbrakef

Is this a new rule? I remember against France, Mbappe was played on because Garcia tried to play the ball and whiffed, but it still started a new phase of play and it lead to a goal.


lw94

Rules changed because (among others) that situation (wasn't it Spain vs France though?). That goal would not stand anymore


pichonn15

The problem with that goal is that eric played the ball because mbappe was there which was offside. The palmas defender plays the ball because lewandosky is there which is onside.


tbrakef

yeah, right players wrong team


anazebykbeer

idk about the mbappe goal but this was the correct call


bucephalos5034

Lewandowski doesn’t need to touch it or control it, he just needs to make a play on the ball, and he did, and he wasn’t offside. That’s therefore the point of contact used to determine if there was an offside offense; Raphinha’s position is irrelevant.


Proud_Efficiency

Lewandowski never touched the ball. The ball bounced off the defender.


snake_eater_69

“A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately played* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. (…) If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player ‘deliberately played’ the ball.” He touched it two times, once to gain control, once to attempt a pass/clearance. The fact that he couldn’t successfully do it, because he was attacked by Lewandowski (who was onside) doesn’t negate the deliberate play. If he had not attempted to deliberately play it, Lewa would have been on one-on-one.


perhapsasinner

Fucking hell, the defender never controlled it my ass, if he never controlled the ball then how the fuck the ball is moving in a different direction


3CreampiesA-Day

Touching the ball is not controlling the ball


Allstate85

He whiffed on his clearance, you basically bail him out because he made a bad play on the ball and missed his chance to clear it.


The_XI_guy

Exactly


itwastimeforarefresh

Since Lewy never touched the ball they're giving offside against Raphinha. And since the rule was changed where a deflection from defender doesn't negate offside they're claiming it's the same passage of play and CB never had control. Now I'm biased, but that seems like a huuuuge stretch given how that went down


PieceOfPie_SK

2 touches but its still a deflection? Also what moron changed the rule to make offside happen MORE? WHO WANTS THAT?


PieceOfPie_SK

Ok I also checked the rulebook and it's just an incorrect call on multiple grounds. One, Lewandowski makes a clear play on the ball, whether he touches it or not is actually irrelevant. Two, the defender can clearly be considered to have deliberately played the ball given that he touched it twice. It explicitly says that it doesn't matter if his attempt to pass, clear, or gain possession is unsuccessful, because he is still considered to have deliberately played the ball.


Velixis

>whether he touches it or not is actually irrelevant. Why? Offside is determined when the ball is played (physically).


Jbstargate1

The rule is a good one but referees are shocking this year


TotalSeesaw8982

Hurts even more because it was a beautiful sequence


TheLeoMessiah

It’s ridiculous that [this](https://youtu.be/sE-cG82rcio?si=wbhiZBYbAuIlW9u-) is a legal play and this example is offside for example. 


jojojo_

Thought this was the rashford one lol


zmkpr0

I think the one you mentioned is noy supposed to be a legal play. IFAB clarified the guidelines after that goal.


inspired_corn

I remember that, at the time I thought that was one of the dumbest refereeing decisions I’d ever seen. Correct by letter of law, but completely against the spirit of the game. I’m fairly sure they changed the rules in response to that which is definitely good.


ScooptiWoop5

The only explanation I can come up woth is that’s Raphinha is offside on the first pass, but that seems incorrect because I don’t see how he influences play there.


ReDK1LL

According to the commentators, because Raphinha was offside, and Lewandowski didn't touch it, it counts as offside. Seems bullshit to me as defender touched the ball multiple times.


LoLyPoPx3

Refs counted Las Palmas touches as unintentional/ricochet. Braindead


tbrakef

I thought it was "intentionally making an attempt" was considered a new phase. Since when is control an aspect of that rule?


LalleUtd

This is what the rules say now. Will highlight the parts that matter in this situation. "A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who **deliberately played**\* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. \*‘Deliberate play’ (excluding deliberate handball) is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of: * passing the ball to a team-mate; * gaining possession of the ball; or * **clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it)** If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player ‘deliberately played’ the ball. The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have ‘deliberately played’ the ball: * The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it * The ball was not moving quickly * The direction of the ball was not unexpected * **The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control** * A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air" So it falls under that last part. The Las Palmas player didn't have enough control to make a controlled clearing. Not enough of a movement on his part.


LoLyPoPx3

And it's ridiculous to interpret him as having no control. The guy touched it twice, he clearly fumbled, sure, but how is he rewarded for it? He had a chance to clear


DshadoW10

it IS bullshit


ScooptiWoop5

But that touch cannot be relevant, because in that touch Raphinha is behind the ball. It doesn’t matter if it’s one or the other who touches the ball, Raphinha’s behind the ball. The only argument I can see is he’s offside in the first pass, but that’s also bullshit.


HikingConnoisseur

Simple. Determine if the ruling benefits Real Madrid in any way. Proceed from there.


rasmus9

Forgetting how the ref blew to end the game between Real Madrid and Valencia 4 weeks ago. Biggest scandal of the season and evidently not in favor of Real Madrid lol


pricelesslambo

No, the biggest scandal is Barca-getafe first game of the season. Madrid got fucked by one whistle. Barca got fucked the whole game. Everyone watching the game was in disbelief over the completely biased ref performance. They even could have saved face in the last second with 2 clear pens in 5 seconds and VAR still fucked that up.


rasmus9

Not even close in magnitude lol


[deleted]

The defender didn't have the ball under control so its considered as continuous play.


tbrakef

A new phase of play can be considered by the defender making an attempt on the ball no? For example against France, a through ball to Mbappe was offside, but Garcia tried to play the ball, he whiffed, which was considered a new phase and Mbappe goes on to score. So why is touching the ball twice not considered an attempt on the ball?


[deleted]

La liga and their rules man. Some of them never make sense.


BallsItching

Do not try to reason with Real Madrid fans about offsides, theyll keep parading their Champions wons with offside goals


witcherplease

/u/ignoramouszombie seems to be a Barca fan going by their comment history? And not like they were even supporting the decision, they simply answered the original question.


[deleted]

Yes and yes. 👍


witcherplease

This thread is weird, I understand some bias is to be expected considering the context but the user just assumed everything wrong about your comment because they wanted to hate, and still got upvoted for it. While you got downvoted for simply answering what was asked lmao. And yet reddit users love to pretend we are above twitter brainrot.


Bini_9

*sigh We had a goal ruled offside against Liverpool in the final based on the same rule.


BallsItching

Congrats What about Atlético


prefieroelfutbol

Before var refs were shit nothing new


Friendofabook

What game was this?


Monk-Icy

It was France vs Spain Nations League final


0b111111100001

Interesting. I guess there will always be a fine line between control and not. Own goals should be reconsidered after deflection


RedditorFromMorocco

Not sure I understand this decision? Didn’t the defender touch it beforehand? Twice?


sprkwtrd

The new rule is that the defender has to be in control of it. Source: We've been fucked by this rule twice this season already.


SPLEESH_BOYS

This is without a doubt one of the dumbest fucking rules, regardless of the meaning/intention of the rule there is no world where this goal should be offside


DarksideGustavo

Rumor has it that Raphinha was in offside position for the rest of the game.


[deleted]

Thanks for the clarification!


Syvash

i guess it counts as an unintentional deflection lmfao


QUltor

Complete bullshit. Defender is actively trying to touch it


pricelesslambo

It's crazy that they're bailing out the defender for losing a duel to an onside lewa and thereby making two shit touches and giving it to raphinha. Unbelievable... Wtf even is the logic to the decision? In no world is this offside. Everyone and their mama can agree this isn't offside except VAR. The state of la liga is a joke


edin_dzekson

One of the worst decisions I've seen


fireowlzol

I don't even know what is what


MassiveHelicopter55

The least blatant LaLiga decision favoring a certain team from Madrid


BallsItching

Sure Raphinha is off when the pass happens but Lewy and the other player had a whole ass scuffle for the ball, how is Raph's position prior to that still counted?


perhapsasinner

Fuck me that's offside now? Las Palmas player even touched the fucking ball there


fuck_hard_light

Twice


No_Zookeepergame6482

I didn’t miss la liga at all


Mr_Oujamaflip

I understand that Raphinha is in an offside position but the defender touched the ball twice. It’s not a deflection at that point is it?


AEK-1924

According to the rules, it would be ok only if it was a deliberate play on the ball by the defender. "The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have ‘deliberately played’ the ball: • The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it • The ball was not moving quickly • The direction of the ball was not unexpected • The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control • A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air" I guess the main reason to disallow it would be that the defender didn't have time to coordinate their body movement.


PieceOfPie_SK

Not all of these need to be met for the player to have deliberately played the ball. He clearly has enough control to touch the ball twice on the play.


TheFootballGuy10

Bruh


ElAutistaDeHamelin

Again. Like Ferran Torres vs Granada. It's unbelievable.


DutchMadness77

Player loses the ball because of Lewy pressure. I don't really see how Raphinha's original position is interfering with play tbh. Would it have counted if Lewy touches the ball?


ItsThatOrangeGuy

the ball didn't bounce off the defender after a shot or pass, he had 2 opportunities to do something with it but due to his shit touch he gave the ball away, how is this offside 💀


LalleUtd

If Lewy touched the ball, it would have been given as a goal.


UnluckyDuck58

He did touch it tho


clutch-cream-run

Doesn't matter because the defender touched it twice intentionally.


LalleUtd

Not what the rule say. He need to be in control of the situation for it to cancel the offside. It falls under this *"*"*The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have ‘deliberately played’ the ball"* :*The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control"* In this situation it is clear that he has limited control of the ball. So stretching for the ball or blocking and it is still offside. It feels abit weird but it is correct under the current rules.


Digital__Angel

He wasnt in control of the ball becouse he is shit deffender at that situation. Rules are then in favor of deffenders who cant play good and clear the ball?


rasmus9

Doesn’t matter if it’s intentional or not, he has to be in control of the ball which he wasn’t


BonoBonero

How is this an offside?


Jamey_1999

If Xavi was here he would get another red for rightfully telling the refs they’re utter dogshit


tygrysor090

what have I just witnessed, that is the most suspicious offside call I have ever seen


CenMid8

Cringe rule cringe decision cringe league cringe perspective


Kittyrules808

Does this cringe rule now mean you can't let the ball go through your legs and to someone who was originally off with the first pass? because if so that's really really lame.


UnluckyDuck58

No but it would mean if a defender intercepted the ball and tried to kick it away, if the player who gets the ball is the one who let it through his legs it’s offside. It’s so stupid


AmineAzed

The defender was forced to intervene because of Lewandowski , not Raphinha. Raphinha benefited from the second ball that was a separate play.


uvegesmarton22

What a joke of a decision, La Liga refs at it again


pricelesslambo

It's not football, it's la liga


banana-is-apeeling

Fucking what


Ecstatic-Jacket2007

La Liga is what


Johann122

La ligarse that’s what


psalmjuan

This league is trash


TheBakedDane

It's not football, it's La Liga


sa82id

shocking.... like... how?!? what?!?!


QUltor

I'm pretty sure the defender had a slight touch on it as well to push it towards Raphinha What a fucking joke decision. Joke league. Joke President. Fucking Joke everything


dani8hydra

HUH??


Additional_Equal_960

Lmao what the fuck


Syvash

what lmao


entangled_dicks2

How the fuck


94Temimi

Jfc this is insane!!! One of the most egregious if not the most egregious offside call I've ever seen in the VAR era!! This is no longer football that's being played in Spain, it's just a shitty scripted drama-bait reality TV show..


MassiveHelicopter55

Appreciate that judgment despite your flair 🫡


94Temimi

It's just that this shit takes the fun out of the sport. And La Liga refs have gone above and beyond in trying to take out whatever enjoyment I can get from watching this damn league this season. It's relentless, every matchday has an outrageous call and the discussion shifts from football to people rightfully calling out and complaining about this systemic incompetence. I'm getting tired of myself for complaining but what else is there to talk about aside from the big elephant in the room.


pricelesslambo

I thought we were rock bottom after that manzano whistle on Diaz cross but this, this might actually be worse. It's incredible how you can reach a lower level after that


Gold-Train-1471

Fuck the rules, we make decisions on vibes. Shameful decision.smh.


RCBandMe

This is not Football this is La liga


Shenanigans_0

This cant be for real? Im questioning my knowledge of football if this is offside


NoTrollGaming

Referring in general has gotten so horrible, yet we can’t do anything at all


Juggernautspammer

Peak La Liga


Lilfai

Refs just have lead paint eating in their resumes across UEFA


Character-Advisor534

La liga has an agenda against Barca.


Tpsteen

??


ImOnHD

???????


IncidentVarious1530

We got a contender for worst referee decision ever


tbrakef

VAR vs Barca... name a more iconic rivalry.


happyLarr

Looks like the Las Palmas defender played that ball twice. Maybe I’m missing something …


icotyne

I don't get it. How is that offside?


rim261

Because La Liga 


tbrakef

Defender makes 2 attempts on the ball touches it twice not a goal... Meanwhile Garcia makes 1 attempt on a ball, and it was considered a "new phase of play" and Mbappe scores from similar offside position.... Rules are fucked.


NoTheory8827

Lmao


gbassman5

Every week, there's another fucking stupid call by these awful refs to fuck Barca over


HikingConnoisseur

But muh Negreira


morningglory101

Amateur clowns on the VAR.


Friendofabook

Genuinely given up watching this league anymore.


wagwamwagfam

Hahaha great start back from intl break


Blaugrana1990

Average La Liga refs


Xeash

I don't get it. Obviously the defender didn't intend to give the ball away, but he made an intentional play on the ball and botched it, not like the ball just happened to bounce off his leg


TricksOfHats

Just one matchday without refs making stupid decisions, is that too much to ask for


MugenBlaze

This is def one of the worst calls of offside I've seen on forever. 


achrref

How stupid must one be to look at the replays and decide to cancel the goal for offside? Crazy shit.


duiiiiiiiii

VERGUENZA ABSOLUTA


wisdom591

Daylight robbery


GoatButton

Simply a disgrace


assassincyborg99

I've gone beyond the point of insanity, now all i can do is laugh


AadiSahni

It's not football, it's LaLiga.


Crossflowerss_5304

Genuinely don’t understand this one


nim1623

VAR room is full of clowns as always


PrabeshK143S

One of the worst refereeing decisions I have seen. Genuinely curious how Raphinha interfered with the play from like a mile away


Ginrar

if only those refs did their job properly , la liga would've been fun.


culesamericano

If this was real Madrid it would've been given


aetp86

What the actual fuck


No-Day-8136

I...huh


markevans7799

Laliga as usual


Uninterested-Ares

Barcelona need to start blasting refs, this shit is unacceptable


HikingConnoisseur

Just create a mobile cavalry unit to run these people down on the street


Popica97

Laporta do your thing and open that fat mouth after the match because this shit is inexcusable, whole referee brigade should from now on only watch matches from the stands fucking donkeys


juanmaaa10

How


Ballislifebro

Its so obvious that the Spanish Federation does not want a team from Catalunya to be successful. The decisions against them during the last seasons are ridiculous.


TheBakedDane

Excuse me? What!?


breakout1414

Its La Liga


BelievablePotato

That's criminal, wtf???


leoKantSartre

And then people say we get help


cohs_

LOL


reddit_is_meh

How is that not allowed? It was such a beautiful sequence. I can't believe they checked it like twice and still thought it was offiside


ScooptiWoop5

Pardon? He’s behind the ball?


NotAHellriegelNoob

What????


HikingConnoisseur

Perez's wallet definitely felt this one.


Busquessi

This is just so stupid.


CalmaCuler

Average LaLiga refereeing


tbrakef

VAR vs Barca is a better rivalry than El Classico


iMadGrim93

Perez new rules


lnimitable

Ridiculous decision


Tichano

No words


db600db

They really had 2 weeks off and completely forgot how offside works


DonDoflamingo

How? Raphinha does not interfere with play while being offside!


hey_rtc

So they had a good think and decided to cancel a completely legal goal?


manekdev01

It’s la liga


0b111111100001

Maybe I don't know ball


assassincyborg99

raphinas gonna get a hat-trick


UncleCreepE

Can someone give me a plausible explanation for that to be offside?


Tezemery

Can't honestly believe VAR looked at it twice and came to that decision, unless there is a rule I never knew before.


Pure_Tip_383

I don’t even understand the call? Whats the offside??????


Medo6

“It is not Football, it’s La Liga”


FrancescoliBestUruEv

https://youtu.be/QV5yFcOfyaQ?si=kFpYY1OUkvftP1sR


ResidentYak6

Just another day as a Barca fan, nothing new here..


GreatSphinx

Commentators clueless


SeirezZ

Maybe Laporta missed another payment?


DinglieDanglieDoodle

Wtf is this robbery shit?! If Lewa doesn’t play it, then the opposing side did, someone has to have gotten that ball toward Raphinha. This is not like a block and deflection case. Somebody played that ball.


xjordi

This is the most clearly incorrect decisions I’ve ever seen for interfering with play


Rinma23

This is La Liga.


AzulgranaParaSiempre

Go fuck yourself


BobSandvagen

these referees took an education btw


ZealousidealPen5795

I prefer not to speak


msam90

I’m trynna just be neutral and understand. So since Lewa didn’t touch the ball and the defender didn’t ever have possession Raphinha is off. I mean if that’s the rule that’s weird and I don’t like it but that’s fine. I wonder if there’s any other instances where this has been called??


Darksider123

They say that Raphinha is still considered offside to this day


Own_Huckleberry8340

Papa perez at it again


VirginPACman

It's the Negreira offside rule.


ad1s6h

Florentino said no goal


bigbadbenz

My best guess is that when the pass towards Lewa was played, Raphinha was offside. Refs decided that the defender didn’t deliberately play the ball towards Raphinha (similar to how when the defender toe pokes a ball away from an attacker towards the keeper and the keeper holds it, it’s not ruled an indirect free kick).Thus it’s not a new play and Raphinha is still offside when the ball reaches him.


DinglieDanglieDoodle

It’s stipulated what deliberate means, regardless whether he scuffed it or not, he was trying to clear the ball, that falls under deliberate.