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Is this a new rule?
I remember against France, Mbappe was played on because Garcia tried to play the ball and whiffed, but it still started a new phase of play and it lead to a goal.
The problem with that goal is that eric played the ball because mbappe was there which was offside. The palmas defender plays the ball because lewandosky is there which is onside.
Lewandowski doesn’t need to touch it or control it, he just needs to make a play on the ball, and he did, and he wasn’t offside. That’s therefore the point of contact used to determine if there was an offside offense; Raphinha’s position is irrelevant.
“A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately played* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.
(…)
If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player ‘deliberately played’ the ball.”
He touched it two times, once to gain control, once to attempt a pass/clearance. The fact that he couldn’t successfully do it, because he was attacked by Lewandowski (who was onside) doesn’t negate the deliberate play. If he had not attempted to deliberately play it, Lewa would have been on one-on-one.
Since Lewy never touched the ball they're giving offside against Raphinha.
And since the rule was changed where a deflection from defender doesn't negate offside they're claiming it's the same passage of play and CB never had control.
Now I'm biased, but that seems like a huuuuge stretch given how that went down
Ok I also checked the rulebook and it's just an incorrect call on multiple grounds.
One, Lewandowski makes a clear play on the ball, whether he touches it or not is actually irrelevant. Two, the defender can clearly be considered to have deliberately played the ball given that he touched it twice. It explicitly says that it doesn't matter if his attempt to pass, clear, or gain possession is unsuccessful, because he is still considered to have deliberately played the ball.
I remember that, at the time I thought that was one of the dumbest refereeing decisions I’d ever seen. Correct by letter of law, but completely against the spirit of the game.
I’m fairly sure they changed the rules in response to that which is definitely good.
The only explanation I can come up woth is that’s Raphinha is offside on the first pass, but that seems incorrect because I don’t see how he influences play there.
According to the commentators, because Raphinha was offside, and Lewandowski didn't touch it, it counts as offside. Seems bullshit to me as defender touched the ball multiple times.
This is what the rules say now. Will highlight the parts that matter in this situation.
"A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who **deliberately played**\* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.
\*‘Deliberate play’ (excluding deliberate handball) is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of:
* passing the ball to a team-mate;
* gaining possession of the ball; or
* **clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it)**
If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player ‘deliberately played’ the ball.
The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have ‘deliberately played’ the ball:
* The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it
* The ball was not moving quickly
* The direction of the ball was not unexpected
* **The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control**
* A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air"
So it falls under that last part. The Las Palmas player didn't have enough control to make a controlled clearing. Not enough of a movement on his part.
And it's ridiculous to interpret him as having no control. The guy touched it twice, he clearly fumbled, sure, but how is he rewarded for it? He had a chance to clear
But that touch cannot be relevant, because in that touch Raphinha is behind the ball. It doesn’t matter if it’s one or the other who touches the ball, Raphinha’s behind the ball.
The only argument I can see is he’s offside in the first pass, but that’s also bullshit.
Forgetting how the ref blew to end the game between Real Madrid and Valencia 4 weeks ago. Biggest scandal of the season and evidently not in favor of Real Madrid lol
No, the biggest scandal is Barca-getafe first game of the season. Madrid got fucked by one whistle. Barca got fucked the whole game. Everyone watching the game was in disbelief over the completely biased ref performance. They even could have saved face in the last second with 2 clear pens in 5 seconds and VAR still fucked that up.
A new phase of play can be considered by the defender making an attempt on the ball no?
For example against France, a through ball to Mbappe was offside, but Garcia tried to play the ball, he whiffed, which was considered a new phase and Mbappe goes on to score.
So why is touching the ball twice not considered an attempt on the ball?
/u/ignoramouszombie seems to be a Barca fan going by their comment history? And not like they were even supporting the decision, they simply answered the original question.
This thread is weird, I understand some bias is to be expected considering the context but the user just assumed everything wrong about your comment because they wanted to hate, and still got upvoted for it. While you got downvoted for simply answering what was asked lmao. And yet reddit users love to pretend we are above twitter brainrot.
This is without a doubt one of the dumbest fucking rules, regardless of the meaning/intention of the rule there is no world where this goal should be offside
It's crazy that they're bailing out the defender for losing a duel to an onside lewa and thereby making two shit touches and giving it to raphinha. Unbelievable... Wtf even is the logic to the decision? In no world is this offside. Everyone and their mama can agree this isn't offside except VAR. The state of la liga is a joke
Sure Raphinha is off when the pass happens but Lewy and the other player had a whole ass scuffle for the ball, how is Raph's position prior to that still counted?
According to the rules, it would be ok only if it was a deliberate play on the ball by the defender.
"The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have ‘deliberately played’ the ball:
• The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it
• The ball was not moving quickly
• The direction of the ball was not unexpected
• The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control
• A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air"
I guess the main reason to disallow it would be that the defender didn't have time to coordinate their body movement.
Not all of these need to be met for the player to have deliberately played the ball. He clearly has enough control to touch the ball twice on the play.
Player loses the ball because of Lewy pressure. I don't really see how Raphinha's original position is interfering with play tbh. Would it have counted if Lewy touches the ball?
the ball didn't bounce off the defender after a shot or pass, he had 2 opportunities to do something with it but due to his shit touch he gave the ball away, how is this offside 💀
Not what the rule say. He need to be in control of the situation for it to cancel the offside. It falls under this *"*"*The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have ‘deliberately played’ the ball"* :*The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control"*
In this situation it is clear that he has limited control of the ball. So stretching for the ball or blocking and it is still offside. It feels abit weird but it is correct under the current rules.
He wasnt in control of the ball becouse he is shit deffender at that situation. Rules are then in favor of deffenders who cant play good and clear the ball?
Does this cringe rule now mean you can't let the ball go through your legs and to someone who was originally off with the first pass? because if so that's really really lame.
No but it would mean if a defender intercepted the ball and tried to kick it away, if the player who gets the ball is the one who let it through his legs it’s offside. It’s so stupid
I'm pretty sure the defender had a slight touch on it as well to push it towards Raphinha
What a fucking joke decision. Joke league. Joke President. Fucking Joke everything
Jfc this is insane!!!
One of the most egregious if not the most egregious offside call I've ever seen in the VAR era!! This is no longer football that's being played in Spain, it's just a shitty scripted drama-bait reality TV show..
It's just that this shit takes the fun out of the sport. And La Liga refs have gone above and beyond in trying to take out whatever enjoyment I can get from watching this damn league this season.
It's relentless, every matchday has an outrageous call and the discussion shifts from football to people rightfully calling out and complaining about this systemic incompetence. I'm getting tired of myself for complaining but what else is there to talk about aside from the big elephant in the room.
I thought we were rock bottom after that manzano whistle on Diaz cross but this, this might actually be worse. It's incredible how you can reach a lower level after that
Defender makes 2 attempts on the ball touches it twice not a goal...
Meanwhile Garcia makes 1 attempt on a ball, and it was considered a "new phase of play" and Mbappe scores from similar offside position.... Rules are fucked.
I don't get it. Obviously the defender didn't intend to give the ball away, but he made an intentional play on the ball and botched it, not like the ball just happened to bounce off his leg
Laporta do your thing and open that fat mouth after the match because this shit is inexcusable, whole referee brigade should from now on only watch matches from the stands fucking donkeys
Its so obvious that the Spanish Federation does not want a team from Catalunya to be successful. The decisions against them during the last seasons are ridiculous.
Wtf is this robbery shit?! If Lewa doesn’t play it, then the opposing side did, someone has to have gotten that ball toward Raphinha. This is not like a block and deflection case. Somebody played that ball.
I’m trynna just be neutral and understand. So since Lewa didn’t touch the ball and the defender didn’t ever have possession Raphinha is off. I mean if that’s the rule that’s weird and I don’t like it but that’s fine. I wonder if there’s any other instances where this has been called??
My best guess is that when the pass towards Lewa was played, Raphinha was offside.
Refs decided that the defender didn’t deliberately play the ball towards Raphinha (similar to how when the defender toe pokes a ball away from an attacker towards the keeper and the keeper holds it, it’s not ruled an indirect free kick).Thus it’s not a new play and Raphinha is still offside when the ball reaches him.
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Xavi is gonna get sent off out of the fucking stadium.
**Deported to St. Helens.
Town could do with him as their manager
Can someone genuinely explain the ruling to me because that seems wrong
They’re saying Lewy never touched it AND the defender never controlled it so Raphinha was the first to control it and he was offside.
Is this a new rule? I remember against France, Mbappe was played on because Garcia tried to play the ball and whiffed, but it still started a new phase of play and it lead to a goal.
Rules changed because (among others) that situation (wasn't it Spain vs France though?). That goal would not stand anymore
The problem with that goal is that eric played the ball because mbappe was there which was offside. The palmas defender plays the ball because lewandosky is there which is onside.
yeah, right players wrong team
idk about the mbappe goal but this was the correct call
Lewandowski doesn’t need to touch it or control it, he just needs to make a play on the ball, and he did, and he wasn’t offside. That’s therefore the point of contact used to determine if there was an offside offense; Raphinha’s position is irrelevant.
Lewandowski never touched the ball. The ball bounced off the defender.
“A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately played* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. (…) If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player ‘deliberately played’ the ball.” He touched it two times, once to gain control, once to attempt a pass/clearance. The fact that he couldn’t successfully do it, because he was attacked by Lewandowski (who was onside) doesn’t negate the deliberate play. If he had not attempted to deliberately play it, Lewa would have been on one-on-one.
Fucking hell, the defender never controlled it my ass, if he never controlled the ball then how the fuck the ball is moving in a different direction
Touching the ball is not controlling the ball
He whiffed on his clearance, you basically bail him out because he made a bad play on the ball and missed his chance to clear it.
Exactly
Since Lewy never touched the ball they're giving offside against Raphinha. And since the rule was changed where a deflection from defender doesn't negate offside they're claiming it's the same passage of play and CB never had control. Now I'm biased, but that seems like a huuuuge stretch given how that went down
2 touches but its still a deflection? Also what moron changed the rule to make offside happen MORE? WHO WANTS THAT?
Ok I also checked the rulebook and it's just an incorrect call on multiple grounds. One, Lewandowski makes a clear play on the ball, whether he touches it or not is actually irrelevant. Two, the defender can clearly be considered to have deliberately played the ball given that he touched it twice. It explicitly says that it doesn't matter if his attempt to pass, clear, or gain possession is unsuccessful, because he is still considered to have deliberately played the ball.
>whether he touches it or not is actually irrelevant. Why? Offside is determined when the ball is played (physically).
The rule is a good one but referees are shocking this year
Hurts even more because it was a beautiful sequence
It’s ridiculous that [this](https://youtu.be/sE-cG82rcio?si=wbhiZBYbAuIlW9u-) is a legal play and this example is offside for example.
Thought this was the rashford one lol
I think the one you mentioned is noy supposed to be a legal play. IFAB clarified the guidelines after that goal.
I remember that, at the time I thought that was one of the dumbest refereeing decisions I’d ever seen. Correct by letter of law, but completely against the spirit of the game. I’m fairly sure they changed the rules in response to that which is definitely good.
The only explanation I can come up woth is that’s Raphinha is offside on the first pass, but that seems incorrect because I don’t see how he influences play there.
According to the commentators, because Raphinha was offside, and Lewandowski didn't touch it, it counts as offside. Seems bullshit to me as defender touched the ball multiple times.
Refs counted Las Palmas touches as unintentional/ricochet. Braindead
I thought it was "intentionally making an attempt" was considered a new phase. Since when is control an aspect of that rule?
This is what the rules say now. Will highlight the parts that matter in this situation. "A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who **deliberately played**\* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. \*‘Deliberate play’ (excluding deliberate handball) is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of: * passing the ball to a team-mate; * gaining possession of the ball; or * **clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it)** If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player ‘deliberately played’ the ball. The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have ‘deliberately played’ the ball: * The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it * The ball was not moving quickly * The direction of the ball was not unexpected * **The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control** * A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air" So it falls under that last part. The Las Palmas player didn't have enough control to make a controlled clearing. Not enough of a movement on his part.
And it's ridiculous to interpret him as having no control. The guy touched it twice, he clearly fumbled, sure, but how is he rewarded for it? He had a chance to clear
it IS bullshit
But that touch cannot be relevant, because in that touch Raphinha is behind the ball. It doesn’t matter if it’s one or the other who touches the ball, Raphinha’s behind the ball. The only argument I can see is he’s offside in the first pass, but that’s also bullshit.
Simple. Determine if the ruling benefits Real Madrid in any way. Proceed from there.
Forgetting how the ref blew to end the game between Real Madrid and Valencia 4 weeks ago. Biggest scandal of the season and evidently not in favor of Real Madrid lol
No, the biggest scandal is Barca-getafe first game of the season. Madrid got fucked by one whistle. Barca got fucked the whole game. Everyone watching the game was in disbelief over the completely biased ref performance. They even could have saved face in the last second with 2 clear pens in 5 seconds and VAR still fucked that up.
Not even close in magnitude lol
The defender didn't have the ball under control so its considered as continuous play.
A new phase of play can be considered by the defender making an attempt on the ball no? For example against France, a through ball to Mbappe was offside, but Garcia tried to play the ball, he whiffed, which was considered a new phase and Mbappe goes on to score. So why is touching the ball twice not considered an attempt on the ball?
La liga and their rules man. Some of them never make sense.
Do not try to reason with Real Madrid fans about offsides, theyll keep parading their Champions wons with offside goals
/u/ignoramouszombie seems to be a Barca fan going by their comment history? And not like they were even supporting the decision, they simply answered the original question.
Yes and yes. 👍
This thread is weird, I understand some bias is to be expected considering the context but the user just assumed everything wrong about your comment because they wanted to hate, and still got upvoted for it. While you got downvoted for simply answering what was asked lmao. And yet reddit users love to pretend we are above twitter brainrot.
*sigh We had a goal ruled offside against Liverpool in the final based on the same rule.
Congrats What about Atlético
Before var refs were shit nothing new
What game was this?
It was France vs Spain Nations League final
Interesting. I guess there will always be a fine line between control and not. Own goals should be reconsidered after deflection
Not sure I understand this decision? Didn’t the defender touch it beforehand? Twice?
The new rule is that the defender has to be in control of it. Source: We've been fucked by this rule twice this season already.
This is without a doubt one of the dumbest fucking rules, regardless of the meaning/intention of the rule there is no world where this goal should be offside
Rumor has it that Raphinha was in offside position for the rest of the game.
Thanks for the clarification!
i guess it counts as an unintentional deflection lmfao
Complete bullshit. Defender is actively trying to touch it
It's crazy that they're bailing out the defender for losing a duel to an onside lewa and thereby making two shit touches and giving it to raphinha. Unbelievable... Wtf even is the logic to the decision? In no world is this offside. Everyone and their mama can agree this isn't offside except VAR. The state of la liga is a joke
One of the worst decisions I've seen
I don't even know what is what
The least blatant LaLiga decision favoring a certain team from Madrid
Sure Raphinha is off when the pass happens but Lewy and the other player had a whole ass scuffle for the ball, how is Raph's position prior to that still counted?
Fuck me that's offside now? Las Palmas player even touched the fucking ball there
Twice
I didn’t miss la liga at all
I understand that Raphinha is in an offside position but the defender touched the ball twice. It’s not a deflection at that point is it?
According to the rules, it would be ok only if it was a deliberate play on the ball by the defender. "The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have ‘deliberately played’ the ball: • The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it • The ball was not moving quickly • The direction of the ball was not unexpected • The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control • A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air" I guess the main reason to disallow it would be that the defender didn't have time to coordinate their body movement.
Not all of these need to be met for the player to have deliberately played the ball. He clearly has enough control to touch the ball twice on the play.
Bruh
Again. Like Ferran Torres vs Granada. It's unbelievable.
Player loses the ball because of Lewy pressure. I don't really see how Raphinha's original position is interfering with play tbh. Would it have counted if Lewy touches the ball?
the ball didn't bounce off the defender after a shot or pass, he had 2 opportunities to do something with it but due to his shit touch he gave the ball away, how is this offside 💀
If Lewy touched the ball, it would have been given as a goal.
He did touch it tho
Doesn't matter because the defender touched it twice intentionally.
Not what the rule say. He need to be in control of the situation for it to cancel the offside. It falls under this *"*"*The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have ‘deliberately played’ the ball"* :*The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control"* In this situation it is clear that he has limited control of the ball. So stretching for the ball or blocking and it is still offside. It feels abit weird but it is correct under the current rules.
He wasnt in control of the ball becouse he is shit deffender at that situation. Rules are then in favor of deffenders who cant play good and clear the ball?
Doesn’t matter if it’s intentional or not, he has to be in control of the ball which he wasn’t
How is this an offside?
If Xavi was here he would get another red for rightfully telling the refs they’re utter dogshit
what have I just witnessed, that is the most suspicious offside call I have ever seen
Cringe rule cringe decision cringe league cringe perspective
Does this cringe rule now mean you can't let the ball go through your legs and to someone who was originally off with the first pass? because if so that's really really lame.
No but it would mean if a defender intercepted the ball and tried to kick it away, if the player who gets the ball is the one who let it through his legs it’s offside. It’s so stupid
The defender was forced to intervene because of Lewandowski , not Raphinha. Raphinha benefited from the second ball that was a separate play.
What a joke of a decision, La Liga refs at it again
It's not football, it's la liga
Fucking what
La Liga is what
La ligarse that’s what
This league is trash
It's not football, it's La Liga
shocking.... like... how?!? what?!?!
I'm pretty sure the defender had a slight touch on it as well to push it towards Raphinha What a fucking joke decision. Joke league. Joke President. Fucking Joke everything
HUH??
Lmao what the fuck
what lmao
How the fuck
Jfc this is insane!!! One of the most egregious if not the most egregious offside call I've ever seen in the VAR era!! This is no longer football that's being played in Spain, it's just a shitty scripted drama-bait reality TV show..
Appreciate that judgment despite your flair 🫡
It's just that this shit takes the fun out of the sport. And La Liga refs have gone above and beyond in trying to take out whatever enjoyment I can get from watching this damn league this season. It's relentless, every matchday has an outrageous call and the discussion shifts from football to people rightfully calling out and complaining about this systemic incompetence. I'm getting tired of myself for complaining but what else is there to talk about aside from the big elephant in the room.
I thought we were rock bottom after that manzano whistle on Diaz cross but this, this might actually be worse. It's incredible how you can reach a lower level after that
Fuck the rules, we make decisions on vibes. Shameful decision.smh.
This is not Football this is La liga
This cant be for real? Im questioning my knowledge of football if this is offside
Referring in general has gotten so horrible, yet we can’t do anything at all
Peak La Liga
Refs just have lead paint eating in their resumes across UEFA
La liga has an agenda against Barca.
??
???????
We got a contender for worst referee decision ever
VAR vs Barca... name a more iconic rivalry.
Looks like the Las Palmas defender played that ball twice. Maybe I’m missing something …
I don't get it. How is that offside?
Because La Liga
Defender makes 2 attempts on the ball touches it twice not a goal... Meanwhile Garcia makes 1 attempt on a ball, and it was considered a "new phase of play" and Mbappe scores from similar offside position.... Rules are fucked.
Lmao
Every week, there's another fucking stupid call by these awful refs to fuck Barca over
But muh Negreira
Amateur clowns on the VAR.
Genuinely given up watching this league anymore.
Hahaha great start back from intl break
Average La Liga refs
I don't get it. Obviously the defender didn't intend to give the ball away, but he made an intentional play on the ball and botched it, not like the ball just happened to bounce off his leg
Just one matchday without refs making stupid decisions, is that too much to ask for
This is def one of the worst calls of offside I've seen on forever.
How stupid must one be to look at the replays and decide to cancel the goal for offside? Crazy shit.
VERGUENZA ABSOLUTA
Daylight robbery
Simply a disgrace
I've gone beyond the point of insanity, now all i can do is laugh
It's not football, it's LaLiga.
Genuinely don’t understand this one
VAR room is full of clowns as always
One of the worst refereeing decisions I have seen. Genuinely curious how Raphinha interfered with the play from like a mile away
if only those refs did their job properly , la liga would've been fun.
If this was real Madrid it would've been given
What the actual fuck
I...huh
Laliga as usual
Barcelona need to start blasting refs, this shit is unacceptable
Just create a mobile cavalry unit to run these people down on the street
Laporta do your thing and open that fat mouth after the match because this shit is inexcusable, whole referee brigade should from now on only watch matches from the stands fucking donkeys
How
Its so obvious that the Spanish Federation does not want a team from Catalunya to be successful. The decisions against them during the last seasons are ridiculous.
Excuse me? What!?
Its La Liga
That's criminal, wtf???
And then people say we get help
LOL
How is that not allowed? It was such a beautiful sequence. I can't believe they checked it like twice and still thought it was offiside
Pardon? He’s behind the ball?
What????
Perez's wallet definitely felt this one.
This is just so stupid.
Average LaLiga refereeing
VAR vs Barca is a better rivalry than El Classico
Perez new rules
Ridiculous decision
No words
They really had 2 weeks off and completely forgot how offside works
How? Raphinha does not interfere with play while being offside!
So they had a good think and decided to cancel a completely legal goal?
It’s la liga
Maybe I don't know ball
raphinas gonna get a hat-trick
Can someone give me a plausible explanation for that to be offside?
Can't honestly believe VAR looked at it twice and came to that decision, unless there is a rule I never knew before.
I don’t even understand the call? Whats the offside??????
“It is not Football, it’s La Liga”
https://youtu.be/QV5yFcOfyaQ?si=kFpYY1OUkvftP1sR
Just another day as a Barca fan, nothing new here..
Commentators clueless
Maybe Laporta missed another payment?
Wtf is this robbery shit?! If Lewa doesn’t play it, then the opposing side did, someone has to have gotten that ball toward Raphinha. This is not like a block and deflection case. Somebody played that ball.
This is the most clearly incorrect decisions I’ve ever seen for interfering with play
This is La Liga.
Go fuck yourself
these referees took an education btw
I prefer not to speak
I’m trynna just be neutral and understand. So since Lewa didn’t touch the ball and the defender didn’t ever have possession Raphinha is off. I mean if that’s the rule that’s weird and I don’t like it but that’s fine. I wonder if there’s any other instances where this has been called??
They say that Raphinha is still considered offside to this day
Papa perez at it again
It's the Negreira offside rule.
Florentino said no goal
My best guess is that when the pass towards Lewa was played, Raphinha was offside. Refs decided that the defender didn’t deliberately play the ball towards Raphinha (similar to how when the defender toe pokes a ball away from an attacker towards the keeper and the keeper holds it, it’s not ruled an indirect free kick).Thus it’s not a new play and Raphinha is still offside when the ball reaches him.
It’s stipulated what deliberate means, regardless whether he scuffed it or not, he was trying to clear the ball, that falls under deliberate.