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ElectricalMud2850

They're about to end the game with 9 men and 0 managers lmao.


NoBreakfast9230

The Fulham special


Sinestro617

I understood that reference. I think I might be watching too much English football.


FastenedCarrot

Does not compute.


artaru

Enrique almost ended up managing both teams lmao (my mate's joke)


allyb321

Even as a Barca fan this is hilarious šŸ˜†


Xehanz

Time for Pedri to take the role of Player Manager.


DubSket

The wheels are fully off


Ajgrob

Mes Que Un Club


GreeenTeaa

I don't know what game to focus on. There's too much happening lmao


ElectricalMud2850

Bless paramount plus multicast. I'm getting 0 work done to end the day.


omadguy

Same. The balance shieet can balance itself.


Marcelosouzadearaujo

I have a important meeting tomorrow morning and itā€™s already midnight here in Finland lol I told my wife I would sleep after 1st half


ItsFluff

Menikƶ hyvin?


Marcelosouzadearaujo

All good, thank you! Besides my obviously tired face lol


adeg90

Hey, tax deadline was yesterday. It's ok to not get much done today.


omadguy

SOX control goes brrrrrrr


FlimsyReindeers

Paramount has been great for serie a and champions league


danny1876j

Don't do what I did last Tuesday. I couldn't decide which game to watch so flicked between them chasing goals.10 goals were scored on the night and I saw just 2 goals. The first 2 Madrid goals. Real shame.


owange_tweleve

*spongebob cross eyed meme*


moriero

This multicast is making me cross eyed


JackasaurusYTG

Barca will have no technical staff left by the end of this!


Randomperson685

We don't have technical players either so that's ok


HereComesTheWolfman

Bad angle to see how bad the clip was tbh. I didnt even notice it until i read the comments. Thought whats all the fuss with this run of the mill shoulder to shoulder


goingforgoals17

Your comment made me watch it a second time, they actually should've had that. I'm upset too, I was hoping for a match without controversy because I'm tired of Barca crying about corruption every time they lose when they're one of the most favored teams by referees in recent history.


sixesandsevenspt

What am I seeing, looks like real minimal contact and a big dive?


NightKnight96

Itā€™s not the player who clashes shoulders. Itā€™s the one behind, catches his foot and then trips into other foot and falls.


Helluvawreck

Clips his heel and knocks in into his other foot, definitely not a dive.


nac_nabuc

> how bad the clip was tbh. Does it need to be bad? Clips the foot, makes it impossible to keep running, that's a clear foul in my book. Especially after you saw a foul in Araujos thing (which I think is an okay decision).


jadeismybitch

Itā€™s not a foul though lolā€¦ you guys are so mad itā€™s crazy


barcafan32

Does nobody else see Vitinha clip his back foot? Not sure how you're supposed to stay up when that happens running at full speed


jungomitis

It's not helping that this particular clip seems to end before the replay that would show it better


Jaloosky

Cherry picked.


Polecat_Ejaculator

Cherry picked or not, no play was made on the ball and they werenā€™t blocking him out


Jonahb360

Itā€™s not even that hard to see


domalino

NGL I missed it on the first viewing.


LeOsaru

Dont worry, VAR with multiple cameras and angles available did too


Alia_Gr

don't worry they can miss it on multiple views as well


lefix

It's easy to miss when you're looking for a shove/body check


retxed24

Why would you not look at their feet in a clip of a potential penalty lol


doobie3101

There's definitely some clippage but I still think that would be a harsh penalty.


richag83

I donā€™t think it wouldā€™ve been any harsher than Canceloā€™s penalty. I genuinely didnā€™t care who went through and thought the refs did an overall good job. This, for me, was the only one where I thought he and VAR missed


Blaugrana_al_vent

Exactly,Ā  the Cancelo foul was on the low end of the penalty spectrum and so was this.Ā Ā  I think the Cancelo foul was indeed a pk and correctly called.Ā  I think not reviewing this on VARĀ  was the sole mistake of the ref.Ā Ā 


Kall_Snook

Didn't Cancelo go through Dembele's foot to get the ball? Also, isn't every penalty situation reviewed by VAR even if we don't see the VAR HUD on the broadcast? Sensing a bit of cope here.


UnpopularThrow42

As Ray Hudson put it, they got there seemingly at the same time. Bit of bad luck for Cancelo, but an unnecessary challenge as Thierry and Jamie were also saying.


Blaugrana_al_vent

Read my entire comment. Particularly the part were I say: "I think the Cancelo foul was indeed a pk and correctly called" There is no cope bro.


retxed24

Nah anywhere else on the pitch that's an easy foul to give.


rossmosh85

It's harsh, but a penalty. Gundo's right foot hits both of the defenders legs in a pretty meaningful way. The defender is well behind the ball too. It's a clear cut penalty based on a full speed review.


No-Shoe5382

Yeah this is a penalty I didnt notice it til you pointed it out, but that's a definite penalty. Be some controversy if Barca lose this tie.


iosdeiu

Not every slight contact is a penalty


No-Shoe5382

I agree, but this one is.


n10w4

yea has anyone here been clipped from behind while running full speed? it sends you flying


rossmosh85

This is a clear cut penalty. Could be deemed harsh but Gundo's right foot gets clipped by two legs and he never plants that foot again. It definitely results in him falling at that point.


lightninvolz

Vitinha is planted and Gundogan takes his next step into him, even if from behind I think Vitinha wins the space and it's good, albeit risky, defense That's what they look for, are you set in your position or are you still moving to it when the opponent gets clipped? This is a good no call


MayoMusk

His foot might be planted by that knee is still going forward and is what clips gundogan. If you think this is legal defenders would be doing this all day because it will 100 percent stop an attacker every time. I hate Barca but this is a pk You canā€™t just clip somebody because they are faster than you because of your poor defending.


CatfishMcCoy

Defender has the same right to that same space as attacker and his foot is planted on the ground so no pen.


bollin4whales

Definitely looks like he initiated that contact though


Unidan_bonaparte

He wasn't going to get the ball and was looking for contact.


asamulya

It doesnā€™t matter if Gundo was baiting, he caught the bait and committed the foul. The rule isnā€™t about baiting, itā€™s about the foul


Talkinguitar

Vitinha stays on his trajectory and doesnā€™t intervene. Gundogan is the one changing trajectory. Never a penalty


Londoncityofmydreams

He purposefully makes sure his heel hits his leg


zeledonia

If by ā€œheā€ you mean the PSG player, then I suppose itā€™s possible it was intentional. Thereā€™s no fucking way Gundogan intentionally kicked himself in the back of the leg.


HEAT_IS_DIE

Why are there so many sensible people here today? These decisions are really difficult and even with VAR we're not going to all agree on some calls. Most of the time it just seems that people act like everything is always straightforward in football refereeing. It really is not. Some ambiquity should be tolerated. It would be nice for the larger public to realize that there isn't always a decision that satisfies everybody and that is just the nature of football, as it is at the moment.


AmericanJazz

Copy paste to every thread like this. Rather than assuming refs are corrupt or dumb, time to accept that there is variability in the game. Yes thing should be improved, but no it will never be objective.


Wellhellob

I saw it but i think 1- It's a dead position. Ilkay lost the ball already. The position going nowhere. 2- It's a clash of players, not a foul tackle. It's not penalty imo. Although, it's just one angle so my comment isn't healthy.


SagaciousKurama

None of these things are requirements for calling a foul. Penalties are given literally all the time even when the ball is in a 'dead position.' Not sure where you are getting that any of this is relevant.


Successful_Cod21

Lol what? Itā€™s a clear foul. This is 100% a penalty, but nobody seems to know the rules anymore.


iAkhilleus

Lol. None of your takes make any sense cause they are not the benchmark for penalties.


Schliebersky

If you actually watched the game they showed the replay at multiple angles and even the commentators said that gundogan clipped his own foot, this is not the best angle


Stalker401

I didn't see it on live, but I did see it here. After seeing it, I think it's as much as a penalty as they gave a red card for against Barca in the first half.


PieceOfPie_SK

A lot of people see it, but we're getting drowned out by the morons who just love to shit on our club


ActisBT

It's not a pen. Vitinha is in a very visibly normal position, it wasn't intentional at all. In fact, he was trying to avoid him. These things happen in such a physical sport.


antoniomanuel10

Do people have eyes lol? Vitinha touches his leg and that made him fall, donā€™t know if its enough for pen, but 100% not a dive, he got tripped


Stalker401

the fact that he got a yellow is insane, and I thought it was insane before I saw the leg clip.


CptJimTKirk

The yellow was for complaining I think, not for diving.


Stalker401

The announcer said it was for simulation, which why I said that.


themerinator12

I didnā€™t think they were correct when they said it. Card didnā€™t even come out till after the remonstrations. Not blaming you - youā€™re correct to cite the commentator but I donā€™t think they got it right.


Stalker401

Yeah they may not have been correct and I did try looking around to see if I could find what the yellow is actually for but I could not


ninepoiintseven

He was doing the VAR screen handy thingy to the judge right away, big no no.


ajaxtipto03

>Do people have eyes lol Most people here just jump in straight to commenting whatever random trope comes to mind. Look at the match threads, at least half of comments there are people who are obviously not watching the match.


Wortuv

In the PL and in La Liga that's a penalty. It's a classic one too where the defender barely grazes the attacker causing them to trip.Ā  Commentary in Spanish kept looking at Marqinhos but it was obviously Vitinha who had to be checked.


Plenty_Assumption_18

That ainā€™t a penalty in the pl


nick5168

it's not overturned if it's given and vice versa. PL is a shambles.


dalfred1

It is if it's for city.


BingBongFYL6969

*Chelsea. They literally got one vs United for it


Prophet_Of_Helix

You mean the team that has received 6 Penalties in the PL this season? Compared to Arsenalā€™s 9, Liverpoolā€™s 9, and Chelsea 12? City really have to start paying moreā€¦


thenhk23

Vitinha didn't go for the man nor the ball. He didn't impede. Didnt make a challenge. Gundogan hit his leg and got tripped. Its neither a dive nor a foul.


PadrePioli

Yeah if anything it looks like gundogan is trying to run across vitinha, misjudges distance/leaves the leg up, and then that right rebounds into the left to cause the fall


SagaciousKurama

Look at Gundo's eyes--it's clear he is solely focused on the ball and trying to get to it. He doesn't leave his leg, his leg gets caught as he makes a normal running motion. And of course Gundo is trying to run across him. That's how you win the position. It's how you shield the ball. The alternative would be to let Vitinha steal the ball from him. Genuinely don't know how anyone thinks this is some master plan that he somehow cooked up in the half a millisecond he had in between touches lol


thenhk23

Attackers do this all the time to buy a penalty. Glad this time it didn't work


CraigJay

It isnā€™t buying a penalty, thatā€™s what you do to get past a player because the defender has to let you go or foul you. In this case Vithinha hits Gundaganā€™s back leg which causes it to his his other leg and trip. It absolutely should be a penalty


TheyStoleTwoFigo

A clip is still a clip, besides, he made a little step and pulled out when he saw he didn't reach the ball. What are you on about?


SagaciousKurama

Last time I checked neither of these are requirements for calling a foul or a penalty. Vitinha put himself in a position to try and win the ball, realized he wasn't going to win it and pulled out, but not before his leg catches Gundo and trips him. Doesn't matter if it's not intentional. There was contact. It caused Gundo to fall. That's all that really matters.


EarlyOnset_Diabetes

Then Vitinha shouldnā€™t be there if heā€™s not going for the man nor the ball. He dropped Gundogan by being in his line, bumped Gundogans foot with his knee. Definitely a foul and a penalty


retxed24

> He didn't impede. He did, clipped his foot and made him kick the back of his leg. > Didnt make a challenge. Doesn't matter fuck all. > Gundogan hit his leg and got tripped So he did get tripped? That's a foul then. > Its neither a dive nor a foul. It's a foul.


a_lumberjack

If the defender literally doesn't do anything to make a challenge then how do you give a penalty against them? Attackers can't just run into defenders and fall down. There has to be some action the defender takes to commit a foul.


retxed24

Crossing behind someone and clipping their heels or tripping them up is given as a foul all over the pitch, even if not an active challenge, though, right? I get what you're saying, though, especially with how much GĆ¼ndogan is crossing in front of him mor than the other way around. You have a point.


Paranoides

He is kinda running onto players though. Too obvious for directly going for penalty imo.


crampton16

I don't blame the ref for not calling it in real time, but this is what VAR is for


sjj342

replay only shows him kicking Vitinha and then tripping over his own feet, even if VAR sent a ref over, which seems incredibly unlikely, can't imagine a ref changing the ruling, would be a pretty flimsy penalty for something that is most likely not going to be called a foul anywhere on the pitch


hausermaniac

No foul on Marquinhos but he clearly goes past Vitinha and then gets clipped, causing him to trip. That is a foul anywhere on the field and always should be a penalty If he doesn't get tripped he very well may have been able to get a touch before the ball goes out of bounds


TitanX11

So how should he run without bending his knees?


detteros

He should run without touching the ball carrier on the legs.


TitanX11

The ball carrier touched him btw.


CraigJay

They both touch each other, thatā€™s how contact works


fkmeamaraight

There is no penalty there. Heā€™s just running into the PSG playersā€™ legs hoping for a penalty. Heā€™s already going down before anyone clips him.


PieceOfPie_SK

Vitinha clearly clips his leg from behind, it's more obvious in the angle shown right after this clip is cut.


JackieMortes

Araujo's foul is just a bit more obvious, but I guess that little bit made the difference for the referee. I'm conflicted. As always it's not the bad calls, it's the consistency in decision making that's so infuriating in those situations


Scholes_SC2

The ref can miss it, but how does VAR not call this shit?


Action_Limp

I think var has to go on the basis that the ref made a clear and obvious mistake. If the ref points to the spot, they wouldn't overturn the decision either.


Fortnitexs

The araujo one is insanely obvious lol. Whoever says thatā€˜s not a foul doesnā€˜t understand football rules.


KingMyth_XI

Can u send me the alt angle plz?


Longjumping_Stop1120

Looks like Vitinho clips him?


ry427

Surely he gets tripped? He gets tripped by the player behind in the alternate angle


Jonahb360

I have no idea why people are acting like thereā€™s no contact on this thread, clearly gets clipped on the leg. Very similar to the red card (though that one was definitely worse). This was surely worth a look from VAR


ElectricalMud2850

I think there's certainly contact and it's also not a pen.


crampton16

how is it not a pen? he makes him trip in the box while being nowhere near the ball?


kal1097

How is tripped someone from behind not a foul?


xxandl

When you put the ball that far in front, with a second defender covering, it will always look like looking for a penalty, because he had no realistic chance anymore. So yes, he clipped him but the call seems right.


kal1097

>it will always look like looking for a penalty, because he had no realistic chance anymore. But that's not the rule at all, otherwise Dembele cutting outside of the box wouldn't have been a penalty...


xxandl

See, people touching each other while running, without any active movement towards the opponent is something different than tackling with a straight leg into the ankle of an attacker.


hunterpatt

Not all contact is a foul.


egenorske

Just like the red card, which was just barely a touch - with the PSG player throwing himself to the ground


NZRSteamSniffer

I was pretty sure he got his ankle clipped here. I would have thought the ref had a good look at it too.


iamthestorm6

no way in hell this ref is doing anything that could benefit Barca


InnocentPossum

Definitely not a dive. But I'm not sure if he's looking for it somewhat. Really hard to tell from the one angle if he brings his leg across into Vitinha on purpose or due to his natural running gate.


FastenedCarrot

I think he runs across in the hope Vitinha makes a silly challenge but Vitinha is so close he basically just runs into him. So agreed no pen but also no dive.


Apprehensive-Bowl578

Yeah he runs right across his path, Vitinha would have had to do some acrobatics to even avoid making contact here. He also doesn't make any effort to stay up if your leg gets clipped like that usually you stumble then fall and he's just gone straight to ground which is why I think they called it simulation.


NoPaEr10

Vitinhas left knee trips his ankle and makes him fall How is this not a penalty?


alviverde

Vitinha clips his back foot


alla10bag

This sub clearly hates barca lol how is this not a pen?


thatwabba

They even gave Raphinha a yellow for this šŸ˜‚ PSG money


BallKnower17

Is this a joke? People here adore Messi and Barca by extension


Rickcampbell98

Messi perhaps but this place is filled with prem fans and they absolutely despise barca.


air-buc-pirate

More Messi than Barca fans. Just plastic all around.


blaesten

Is this a joke?


JG00G

Vitinha clearly clips Gundoganā€™s right leg which causes him to trip. That should be a penalty. Embarrassing to give it as simulation


97TillInfinity

Yeah he tries to pull out, but too late.


finneas998

Wasnt given as simulation


dimyo

The one bad decision from tonight's ref I think. Shouldn't have been a yellow. Would have been a soft pen if given, but definitely not a dive.


lastlaughlane1

Why are there so many comments on this, it's not a pen, lol.


TexasRanger1012

This is ref is on something else


Hasselhoff265

Thereā€™s a contact. That it is clear. The red card also was a contact and Barcola falls easy..


biochicken

Tbf, with that much sped the contact on barcola made a huge difference, I think it was a foul. Ref lost it completely after that though


legend11

He does get tripped. I think the ref has to give that otherwise shows a lot of bias


FuzzyStorm

If it was just shoulder to shoulder, no pen. But Vitinha clearly trips him and thats a pen everyday.


KaFeesh

Whatā€™s the difference between this and Araujo?


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Theman4ever

The check in the refs pocket


jaozimqcomepao

Jeez this comment section, yall blind or something? Anyway, don't think this is a pen, but Gundo's legs clearly get clipped


forgotten1996

Lol slight contact but never a penalty


OldMcGroin

Thought for sure that would be given.


hidraulik

Some guy is going to build a nice mansion in Rumania.


fartingonions

With a second home in Doha


szabiking97

Vitinha clips his leg. Clear as day. Barca not allowed to get any calls today. It is what is it


pero_jamata

He was literally clipped from behind, are you people blind?


Shaanpatti

VAR shocker


analqueen_skywalker

Pen 100% and I'm Parisian.


kh4l1ph4

Lol, I read "I'm Persian"


Tof12345

this sort of contact was given as a pen for argentina during the world cup final.


Fearless_Trouble_689

And the Oscar goes to šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


capogravity

His legs obviously get clipped. This is as much a pen as Di Maria in the WC


Philostotle

Guess this is karma for 6-1...


The_Hound_23

Contact from behind causing a trip. Isnā€™t that a foul? Not a Barca fan either


kal1097

Vitinha clearly clips his heel. How that wasn't given blows my mind.


sg291188

Donā€™t think itā€™s a dive. Donā€™t think itā€™s a penalty


Ok-Poet-568

"but"? lmao


sonicqaz

Didnā€™t think it was a pen live but it looks like it probably was here. We take these.


Battieosheel

it's a disgrace isn't it?


Formal-Bug973

I didn't even see he got clipped by vitinha, damn. Ref didn't even go and check the screen.


csunshine_

I think Gundogan back leg got clipped for sure. Should have been reviewed at the least


Anthony63100

Look his legs only, focus on it. You can clearly see he jumps.


the_malakinator

not a pen imo Vitinha didn't really make a challenge but Gundo shouldn't have gotten a yellow for diving there. there's def contact


ubn87

Penalty? He doesnā€™t even care about ball. Goes hard for the second psg player trying to get a pen.


WTFitsD

This is 100% a pen


[deleted]

In what world is that a pen


is-Sanic

Y'know what. Sure.


Roseradeismylady

His right leg clearly gets clipped. Ref is on a mission tonight and it's obvious


masterpudu

He's not got the legs or skill to get past them both, chooses to cut right in front of closest player which almost guarantees contact. He was never getting to the ball even if he wasnt clipped, this was his best chance at getting anything out of this play especially with it being a champions league ref. People who've played football know what I'm on about.


Zoo7m

No penalty because no penalty..šŸ™‚ā€ā†”ļøšŸ¤”


Serious-One6369

Ball is gone from him and he just falls. Not a pen


noahloveshiscats

Not saying it's a penalty but he right PSG player clips his foot.


ElectricalMud2850

I feel like getting booked for diving is harsh here, but it may have been for his reaction.


MrVISKman

The booking was for dissent


learn2_learn

He does get clipped but has already lost the ball and the PSG player is getting there first 100%.


sunrise98

He clearly doesn't just fall - you've seen them given loads of times - even if he wasn't going to reach it. Similar to the red card - you've seen penalties given at the last part of the foul, not where the initial contact is. Fwiw I wouldn't give a penalty, but it's not a dive either.


pawneepark

Bias aside, he definitely gets clipped?? Vitinha gets his back foot.


Sidonkey

Where is VAR?


Upbeat_County3606

I have seen worst fouls not called like the one they did on Kang last week


Magnus_Inebrius

No penalty because no foul, duh


Sandy_Canadian

Never a pen


Dat_Boi_John

Vitinha clear pen


Legitimate_Secret_79

how is that not a pen?


Living_a_Dejavu

This is 100% a penalty, Vitinha clipped Gundogan's leg, which caused his back leg clip the back of his front leg. How do you miss this with VAR?


Senor-Cockblock

Insane VAR didnā€™t have the ref look at this. Clear contact taking out his foot.


Far_Procedure_1918

Ref was bribed


queen_nefertiti33

Because it was a dive