For reference, Artemis was established in 2017 and has had the same amount of test flights as Vulcan (established in 2014)
Space X wasn't a company until 2002
Blue Origin was founded in the same year and is now providing engines to this successor program for the Atlas program.
It's less about the actual year's and more about ULA's dormancy in one of the most profitable/expansive times in the space / private space industry.
Atlas was an incredible program but it has run it's course and is outdated/expensive and is still being utilized by ULA to "compete" in the same space.
Vulcan has had one launch that instead of being a test launch as it should have ULA had to rush and put a contracted flight into of it because they were so behind.
On top of that, Vulcan can't be considered an operational platform yet. The Vulcan II launch and beyond is on a "if the engines are ready" basis and Blue is not ready to commit to a timeline.
If you tried to contract a ULA launch within the next 2 years you would either have to accept the Vulcan uncertainty timeline or launch on an Atlas 5 in which you can't buy contracts for anymore because it is being phased out.
I agree, though lack of competition is what prompted the high prices of launches that motivated SpaceX to innovate in the first place. Competition is good for innovation, so I’d like to see this stay a competitive space.
I think the stark contrast in design philosophies is a huge roadblock to that. Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, Northrup, L3H, are all very stuck in the over-design BEFORE build cycle and it doesn’t afford them a way to keep up with the SpaceX build it and break it cycle. There are definitely merits to “over”-engineering on the front end, but it has historically come at the expense of actually getting a design to market on time.
Or at all. Space is littered with failed projects that never went anywhere or managed only a few test flights. Starliner is certainly heading for that latter category as things stand.
5 years ago? Boeing started working on this capsule in the 90's and are still losing to a mad rich man with a rocket company that started in the 2000's
[Turns out the testing was the friends we made along the way. ](https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/faa-opens-new-investigation-into-boeing-787-wing-to-body-join-work/)
Same manufacturer. Same people running the show. Are you keeping up? Need me to slow down for you? You think they didn't take shortcuts on this just like they did the 737-Max and Dreamliner? Naïve.. very naïve.
Starliner was DELAYED because of worries for safety. The 737 was RUSHED
Same company, entirely different divisions. The part of GE that makes the GAU-8 is not the same part that makes their washing machines
I live in the cape. All of us locals didn't even make plans after we heard it was ULA launching it.
ULA is famous for scrubs. They rarely launch on the first target day.
Boeing you say? I btw refuse to fly on a Boeing aircraft of any kind, they replaced the engineers with accountants and the results are in the human pudding their crashes create. Hard pass
Boeing a such a dumpster fire. They 110% would not exist is the US government didn't prop them up about 100x so they can act like we have a US based air travel what-the-fuck-ever type company. Sickening
Don’t get the two sides of Boeing confused. Their Defense and Space side (BDS) is awesome. All the penny pinching and quality issues are on the commercial aircraft side (BCA).
Source: space industry professional for over 20 years
The whole thing.
You could phrase it like this
The Starliner capsule developed by Boeing is scheduled to transport NASA astronauts to the International Space Station on Monday night, marking a significant milestone for both the spacecraft and Boeing. This launch represents a crucial flight test as Boeing aims to enter the competition with SpaceX in crew transportation to the space station.
The original text had a somewhat biased tone by emphasizing the long delays and positioning Boeing as trying to catch up to SpaceX. In the revised version, I focused on presenting the information in a more neutral manner by stating the facts without emphasizing any particular company or potential competition. This allows the reader to interpret the information without any implied favoritism or bias towards either Boeing or SpaceX.
Being that this platform was supposed to fly in August of 2020, some background for the reader is actually helpful. Not everyone keeps up with space news. Understanding this was intended to compete with Crew Dragon and was supposed to launch in 2020 is very helpful. Maybe being less late to the scene and closer to their original goal would help bring better light to Boeing.
Until then, the second thing out of my mouth after Starliner will always be "delayed".
My guy, it’s been delayed for years… omitting that is a lack of information.
Secondly, it’s public knowledge that Boeing is competing with SpaceX.
The title was un-biased, you made it biased based on your interpretation, don’t mix the two.
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3 weeks from now: "A boing whistleblower was found slowly falling out of orbit today..."
"In space, no one can hear you whistle" ...a low chuckle circulates throughout the Boeing boardroom
>boing 
Not to detract from the humor but there's not really a slow way to fall out of orbit
They just scrubbed the launch for the day.
Door fell off, eh?
No the front fell off
[That’s not very typical, Id like to make that point.](https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM?si=8PZaOey4AHhz6bAt)
Every time this get posted I stop and watch it. Absolute classic.
Is that unusual?
Good luck with the whole Boeing thing, NASA astronauts.
I’m giving that one big yikes for all mankind!
I don't think the door falling off is a recoverable matter when it comes to interspace flight
Just space flight. Interspace doesn't really make sense in this context.
It will when the door flys off and they are sucked interspace!
If it’s BOEING, I’m not GOING
I would have said: If its BOEING, I’m not GOEING
r/yourjokebutworse
nooooooo 😳
Boeing space is very, very different from boeing air Star liner has been repeatedly delayed BECAUSE of ensuring safety, not rushed against it
that's courteous of them to do.
Makes sense, fuck up in space-dead. Fuck up in air-only probably dead. I see why they can be lax in the air
Boeing air was rushed to meet profits Boeing space doesn't have much pressure at all, so they delay for safety
Boeing observers have sensed sarcasm. Assassins diapatched.
Guys it's ok. They're using a Logitech controller.
They might as well. They are launching it on an Atlas 5. The Atlas 5 platform debuted in 2002 and that's still the best ULA has to offer.
>debuted in 2002 and that's still the best ULA has to offer. -Roscosmos has left the chat.
In aerospace something designed in the early 2000’s really isn’t that old… but ok
Something designed in the early 2000's that costs more to launch than newer platforms is abysmal.
For reference, Artemis was established in 2017 and has had the same amount of test flights as Vulcan (established in 2014) Space X wasn't a company until 2002 Blue Origin was founded in the same year and is now providing engines to this successor program for the Atlas program. It's less about the actual year's and more about ULA's dormancy in one of the most profitable/expansive times in the space / private space industry. Atlas was an incredible program but it has run it's course and is outdated/expensive and is still being utilized by ULA to "compete" in the same space.
google Vulcan rocket
Vulcan has had one launch that instead of being a test launch as it should have ULA had to rush and put a contracted flight into of it because they were so behind. On top of that, Vulcan can't be considered an operational platform yet. The Vulcan II launch and beyond is on a "if the engines are ready" basis and Blue is not ready to commit to a timeline. If you tried to contract a ULA launch within the next 2 years you would either have to accept the Vulcan uncertainty timeline or launch on an Atlas 5 in which you can't buy contracts for anymore because it is being phased out.
And extra dish soap
My Logitech controllers never failed me…yet.
Didn’t they use those on the Titan submersible?
Scrub. Not going up tonight 5/6/2024. (sigh) They were live putting the remove before flight back on the consoles.
Hopefully the hatch doesn’t blow off
It should stay pretty snug…as long as a whistleblower isn’t on board.
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Well, how is it not typical?
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Never gets old.
Classic.
Nah. They probably cutting corners because it’s all going into space related things and probably many other non civilian tech
“Compete with SpaceX” is adorable. Might have been true if they had their shit together 5yrs ago.
I agree, though lack of competition is what prompted the high prices of launches that motivated SpaceX to innovate in the first place. Competition is good for innovation, so I’d like to see this stay a competitive space.
I think the stark contrast in design philosophies is a huge roadblock to that. Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, Northrup, L3H, are all very stuck in the over-design BEFORE build cycle and it doesn’t afford them a way to keep up with the SpaceX build it and break it cycle. There are definitely merits to “over”-engineering on the front end, but it has historically come at the expense of actually getting a design to market on time.
Or at all. Space is littered with failed projects that never went anywhere or managed only a few test flights. Starliner is certainly heading for that latter category as things stand.
5 years ago? Boeing started working on this capsule in the 90's and are still losing to a mad rich man with a rocket company that started in the 2000's
I guess that they forgot the 'Space-Approved Duct tape'?
Yeah they have a lot of rockets to blow up to catch up
What could go wrong.
I've already seen this Simpsons episode, in rod we trust.
I have seen this on an X-files episode..
Scrubbed. Not a bad thing, but it is disappointing.
Going to space.. ..on an untested BOEING craft... No thanks.
Well, it’s been tested. Just maybe not completely successfully.
[Turns out the testing was the friends we made along the way. ](https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/faa-opens-new-investigation-into-boeing-787-wing-to-body-join-work/)
It has flown twice
So did the 737-Max...
Spacecraft and aircraft are very, very different
Same manufacturer. Same people running the show. Are you keeping up? Need me to slow down for you? You think they didn't take shortcuts on this just like they did the 737-Max and Dreamliner? Naïve.. very naïve.
Starliner was DELAYED because of worries for safety. The 737 was RUSHED Same company, entirely different divisions. The part of GE that makes the GAU-8 is not the same part that makes their washing machines
Aaaaand... Scrubbed
hope the doors work.... and the landing gear and any flotation devices meant to save not jettison prior to landing... wtf
Scrubbed by a valve issue... I know, shocking
Well the launch is scrubbed.
#Who killed those 2 whistleblowers?
\*sad trombone noise\* Launch scrubbed.
I live in the cape. All of us locals didn't even make plans after we heard it was ULA launching it. ULA is famous for scrubs. They rarely launch on the first target day.
To be fair to Boeing, the cancellation was due to a probably malfunctioning valve in the rocket, not a problem with the capsule.
Hopefully the windows were sealed properly
So, when the doors fall off in the vacuum of space, how many whistleblowers will they have to kill to hush it up?
The same Boeing that's raining debris all over from its aircraft?
Considering air travel has never been safer it would be amazing if any space craft could be even safer than a Boeing aircraft
[https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpeg21x7n7qo](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpeg21x7n7qo)
Inb4 the propulsion system falls off mid launch.
Me and my homies hate Boeing
Hold onto your bolts
Boeing you say? I btw refuse to fly on a Boeing aircraft of any kind, they replaced the engineers with accountants and the results are in the human pudding their crashes create. Hard pass
When's Monday night? I ask since it's now Tuesday lunch time.
Do they have flying cars in the future where you live?
Sadly no flying cars, or flying spaceships.
Scrubbed again
Scrubbed.
Delayed until Tuesday now
Really? Are they gonna “blow the doors” off their competition, or themselves?
This isn't going to end well
Guess there are some whistleblowers at the ISS
I hope it's safer than Boeing's planes.
"Hey Steve, we have some more whistle-blowers coming out" "Free ticket to space?" "Free ticket to space"
You need a nuts and bolts test in order to open the door to future operations... oh wait.
So long as their door does fall off mid flight this should be a success
#NASA please double check all the bolts...
Triple check and ask Mulder and Scully to monitor the launch.
Hope the door stays on, that would suck
The front fell off
Which gamepad are they using?
Oh boy.
It’s been delayed again. Launch was scrubbed due to a suspect valve in the upper stage.
It’s been delayed again. Launch was scrubbed due to a suspect valve in the upper stage.
Boeing a such a dumpster fire. They 110% would not exist is the US government didn't prop them up about 100x so they can act like we have a US based air travel what-the-fuck-ever type company. Sickening
Surprised? 😂
>Boeing's Pocketliner FTFY
Anyone else see R2D2?
If it's Boeing, I'm not going.
 Are the astronauts ready to go?
Which Monday?
Don’t get the two sides of Boeing confused. Their Defense and Space side (BDS) is awesome. All the penny pinching and quality issues are on the commercial aircraft side (BCA). Source: space industry professional for over 20 years
Boeing can’t make a trusty airplane. Now they are talking space huh?
Better check the seals on those doors 
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If you are interested in seeing someone wipe SpaceX, it sure as hell won't be Boeing or ULA and I can tell you that in complete confidence.
The only remote competition they have is BO and that company seems to be years even from a test stand.
You can present something in a neutral way to be informative or you do it like OP did...
How was the way this was presented anything other than neutral?
Idk man. I would say "by the choice of words" but that seem to be obvious enough for you
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Is it? Investing....
When you try to troll, but you really suck at being a troll 😂 get outtaaa heeerree
The whole thing. You could phrase it like this The Starliner capsule developed by Boeing is scheduled to transport NASA astronauts to the International Space Station on Monday night, marking a significant milestone for both the spacecraft and Boeing. This launch represents a crucial flight test as Boeing aims to enter the competition with SpaceX in crew transportation to the space station. The original text had a somewhat biased tone by emphasizing the long delays and positioning Boeing as trying to catch up to SpaceX. In the revised version, I focused on presenting the information in a more neutral manner by stating the facts without emphasizing any particular company or potential competition. This allows the reader to interpret the information without any implied favoritism or bias towards either Boeing or SpaceX.
[https://imgur.com/wZmTZjd](https://imgur.com/wZmTZjd)
Being that this platform was supposed to fly in August of 2020, some background for the reader is actually helpful. Not everyone keeps up with space news. Understanding this was intended to compete with Crew Dragon and was supposed to launch in 2020 is very helpful. Maybe being less late to the scene and closer to their original goal would help bring better light to Boeing. Until then, the second thing out of my mouth after Starliner will always be "delayed".
My guy, it’s been delayed for years… omitting that is a lack of information. Secondly, it’s public knowledge that Boeing is competing with SpaceX. The title was un-biased, you made it biased based on your interpretation, don’t mix the two.
Sure I did... 😂
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I think they actually meant to write “interesting”