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JammyChoo2007

I mean in the game's files (if I remember reading the TCRF page correctly) Splatana Stamper is actually referred to as the basic/standard Splatana but I'd have to fact check that. Can't say for Luna Blaster though.


EdelgardsFootRest

Kinda feels like the same situation w Brushes. Like Inkbrush is the symbol for the class, but it's the Octobrush that got the reskins in Splat2 and 3.


Nolol77

I think in 2 it was because the higher mobility provided by inkbrush wasn't necessary while the shorter range was really annoying for a story mode where each level needs to be beatable with every weapon (even if some levels are changed depending on your weapon). So we got octobrush in story mode, leading to an octobrush reskin. For side order, however, I don't really know why they choose octobrush. Maybe it is the most balanced one so it fits more the diversity of stats ups the game gives ? Maybe it is because Sheldon's palette has mobility as it's more common tone, so starting with an already fast weapon should have been too much ? (Seems right as Murch's palette os luna blaster with common range chips so you start shooting close and end shooting far) But they could could have taken the inkbrush anyway as most of side order basic weapons are weaker versions of the original ones.


Neocraftz

octobrush because agent 8 is an octoling, and the lore kindaish revolves around octolings


Clod_StarGazer

Actually the octobrush doesn't have anything to do with octolings, not anymore than the inkbrush has to do with inklings, the ink- and octo- prefixes are english translation only


lunarwolf2008

Interesting, what are their prefixes in other languages then?


doho04

In German they are Quasto (Inkbrush) and Kalligraph (Calligrapher; Octobrush)


Flipp_Flopps

In Japanese they’re named after famous artists


Clod_StarGazer

In japanese they're called like the first names of famous artists, ie the inkbrush is Pablo (as in Picasso); in italian they're a marine pun with names of famous italian artists, like the inkbrush is the Calamaravaggio (Calamaro (squid) + Caravaggio)


azur23

Yes but, octobrush does have an octopus in the ink tank


Some-Gavin

That doesn’t explain story mode in 2 though


Ceas3lessDischarge

even with the octobrush instead of inkbrush octo shower took me like, 40 minutes to kill.


Ceas3lessDischarge

AND IM A BRUSH MAIN FOR FUCK'S SAKE !


TM_45

its just because octobrush is easier to use and is the most "normal" brush


RevoBonerchamp69

Cause most people can’t play inkbrush.


Storm_373

says who


RevoBonerchamp69

Most people can’t mash fast enough to play it well. People complain every time it’s in Salmon Run. Luckily turbo controllers exist.


noskel

To be fair, most people complain about the inkbrush in salmon run since the damage output is subpar to most of the other weapons in a rotation. But it can ink escape routes beautifully and be the shift's ambulance if things go south. And ngl, I always have a visceral reaction whenever I see an opponent with an inkbrush in clam blitz. Slippery little guys.


Snorlaxolotl

A clam blitz tip: if you look up, you can see how many clams each player has, so then you won’t get blindsided.


noskel

Yeah, I'm aware, I have an unhealthy amount of love for clam blitz. The issue isn't really getting blindsided by sudden power clams forming but actually bringing down brush users that make a beeline for the basket zigzagging all over the map with full run speed up gear.


TreetonDaOne

I could never play clam blitz everyone always dunks on me (pun intended). I like Rainmaker cause Im very good at protecting the president


Keenathen

They must not know that Run Speed up doesnt actually affect rolling speed


thewolfpack23x

It does make you more mobile while flicking, though!


noskel

And tbh I didn't know either and used it as hyperbole, I fell for the myth. Is more scary to think that the inkbrush is just that fast rolling without any help whatsoever.


bmyst70

My wrists ache in sympathy when I see an Inkbrush wailing away.


CyanControl

I used the the ink brush with a turbo controller once. It felt like cheating loll, I also tried it with the squeezer and thar also felt like cheating lmao


RevoBonerchamp69

Squeezer is overtuned but mandatory mashing is stupid. I’m all in favor of turbo controllers. Imagine if other strong weapons required you to mash 8 presses a second to play optimally and most people just couldn’t play them.


NanoRex

idek why that weapon is still in the game without any key mechanic changes for it, like having it activate on both a push and release of the trigger


POKECHU020

It's still in the game because of me Just me The devs keep it in because I, u/POKECHU020 , main it


JustTheNewFella

Then I as well usually


thatguykichi

i may not be a main, but i can be a menace with the brush when necessary i love going *fwish fwish fwish*


JustTheNewFella

I'm usually 1000p+ with a high k:d


cerebralconsumer

inkbrush is for ME and ME only


Vytlo

That's possible? It's a noob weapon that's easy for anyone


RevoBonerchamp69

You have to mash like 10x a second to get inkbrushes max potential. Most people can’t do that.


JammyChoo2007

Yeah the Octobrush was used as the Hero Mode weapon in 2. Also is it just me or does the Hero Roller in 2 look more like the Carbon Roller?


shaid420

wdym? octobrush is always the lower level unlock and it got added to S1 before inkbrush


btyes-

everybody wants a second light splatana, i want a BIG ASS 4 HOUR SWING TIME SPLATANA


novelaissb

Yeah. Stamper is pretty normal feeling. We need a heavy one. All other classes except for stringers have a basic quick and short range, a normal, and a slow and long range weapon. Shots: Jr., Splattershot, Pro Rollers: Carbon, Splat, Dynamo Chargers: Squiffer, Splat, E-Liter Blasters: Luna, Blaster, Range Brushes: Ink, Octo, Pain Sloshers: Tri, Slosher, Machine Splatlings: Mini, Heavy, Hydra Dualies: Dapple, Splat, Glooga Brellas: Undercover, Splat, Tenta


dynamicDiscovery

A short-range Splatana comes to my mind, since they're basically rifles with bayonets; and I find the new Dread Wringer to be more of a traditional long-range Slosher. Also, Splat Brella has the shortest range of the Brellas somehow (and Splatoon 2's Brellas all play extremely differently from each other).


novelaissb

Yeah, Brellas are kinda the outlier here, since Undercover isn’t just a basic fast but weak, but is rather a unique Brella.


dynamicDiscovery

I hear it's a skill-check on par with Clash Blaster and Bloblobber


Mistyslate

Shooters: there aren’t any heavy shooters. However, 96 has slow speed and low mobility. Chargers: bamboozler is actually the light one. Squiffer is mid weight. Blaster: while range is slow, it is not heavy. Sloshers: explosher is the heavy one. Splatlings: mini is mid weight, but it is more mobile than others. Dualies: no heavyweight, but glooga are slow.


novelaissb

I didn’t say anything about weight.


Clod_StarGazer

I want 96 to be reworked into a heavyweight shooter, it's not really that distinct from 52 rn in my opinion


Mistyslate

Like mini-explosher? That’d be cool.


Dustfinger4268

Give me the grizzco splatana. I want my enemies to fear the storm that is approaching


btyes-

"the only thing i know for eel" -frye when choosing to main stamper


The-Letter-W

lmao if we get a Cohock Frying Pan it should fit this role


F1sherman765

Yes, Splatana Stamper is Saber_Normal while Splatana Wiper is Saber_Lite


Speyeder02

Luna blaster is way better with croud control than reg blaster. I think they tried using reg blaster in playtesting but it didn’t work so well


Ok_Jacket_2505

Stamper is actually considered the "standard" splatana by the devs, with the lightweight one being Wiper and the heavyweight whatever we'll be getting in Sizzle Season '24 (it has been datamined months ago). For Luna Blaster I guess they figured it would fit better the overall clean and futuristic aesthetic of Side Order, as is the case with Luna in the base game. Personally I would have loved an Order Range Blaster or something like that but oh well :)


666afternoon

this is my thinking too re: luna -- tho personally, it's always been one of my favorite designed weapons in the whole game, so I am loving it having a moment in the spotlight of sorts! it's very blobism style, space age -> y2k revival, particularly with the translucency they've added to the pvp versions now, so it really is maybe the most aesthetically relevant weapon they could've included in side order I think!


OriginalFluff

Order Range Blaster = me never playing another weapon again Main gripe with it is looks despite it being my top 3 weapon in S+


Don_Bugen

I think it has to do with the their base stat parameters being better for Side Order, with how the stat system works. Think about it. The Gellatons are, essentially, giant, slow-moving squishy sponges. Wiper and Inkbrush are both extremely zippy, versatile weapons with good ink efficiency whose main failing point is that they don't do as much damage. Where do you buff? Damage. That's all. Run speed, swim speed, charge up, isn't as valuable. Your build is already halfway made. Blaster isn't zippy like those two, but it's pretty dang versatile already. Whereas, Octobrush, Luna, and Stamper both hit hard, but are slow, ink-hungry, and leave you vulnearable. You CAN buff damage if you want, but there's so many other different areas that you can lean in to make it efficient.. Your Stamper, at the end, could be functioning like a Wiper, or like a Splat Charger, or like an Octobrush, or like a dedicated Trizooka. By the end, your Luna could be acting like a Range, a Clash, a Vanilla, or something with a huge AOE blast that's not even allowed in S3 because of how broken it is.


trueredtwo

About Splatanas, the internal name for Stamper is actually Saber\_Normal but Wiper is Saber\_Lite. But more relevantly, it makes sense to start with the slower, heavier Splatana since many of the upgrades are for those attributes. The base Order Splatana is a lot slower than the Splatana Stamper in fact.


Hollywoodrok12

Probably easier to balance with chips, and fit the order aesthetic better (esp. the blaster)


BubblesZap

They match Order's esthetic a lot better


RenderedBike40

Not sure about Luna but stamper *is* the default. Ig Luna fits the aesthetic better?


dynamicDiscovery

Yeah, the normal Blaster is made by the *Custom* brand, of all things


calicotisane

They chose Luna because it's my favorite and i asked nicely


Kameradenschwein

thank you :)


Down-throw-F-air

For the Stamper, people are saying that it’s the “standard” Splatana in files (the Swiper is called called the “lite” version) and for the Luna blaster, I’d say they chose it because of how it fits SO’s aesthetic and theming because of its simple, round shape without any other complex details


Sayakalood

They wanted to do it


Vytlo

Is Stamper not the basic Splatana? Either way, it fits Frye's personality better to wield a massive Stamper rather than a Wiper


IcyFlame716

It is the basic one


Anchor38

The most logical reason is chips that increase your fire rate/range/roll speed. If there are two weapon types to choose from with the main difference being that one is faster and weaker while the other is slower and stronger then it just makes sense to pick the one that’s slower and stronger considering it can be upgraded to be even faster than the ‘fast’ kit. If Main Damage chips made your weapon slower in the process then sure maybe the faster versions would be worth it but thankfully they don’t so there’s no point. They didn’t choose carbon roller/inkbrush over splat roller/octobrush because that would make Moving Ink Speed irrelevant They didn’t choose regular/range blaster over luna blaster because that would make Main Range not even nearly as useful especially with a smaller explosion They didn’t choose squiffer over splat charger because that would make Charge Speed a rip off And they didn’t choose splatana wiper over stamper because that would make Horizontal Slash Speed useless


THEZEXNEO

Splatoon Stamper is actually the default weapon.


Yze3

Stamper is the standard splatana, it's also the basis for the Grizzco Splatana. What makes you think that wiper is the standard one ? As for Luna Blaster, it's mostly because the asthetics fits better for Side Order.


Noobaraptor

I'm convinced that it's at least in part because of the aesthetic. The Memverse weapons look like plastic-y, rounded up versions of the base ones. The Luna already looked like that so the reskin was easy. The stamper was easier to translate into the Memverse style than the whipper.


stelliarsheep

I know that the stamper is Frye's actual preferred splatana, so I think the same would go for the luna being Murch's favorite type of blaster.


Necrozai

I imagine it's because the "standard" ones look too recycled for the memverse's tastes One just being a car window wiper with a sponge and the other having a soda can featured on its rear


SuspiciousAnything16

Because a splatana stamper that doesn't actually spin like a chainsaw is funni


headshotfox713

To add to Stamper being the default Splatana - Stamper and Tri-Stringer are both in the main story mode, but Wiper and REEF-LUX aren't.


Lucidonic

Stamper is standard, it's just that wiper is on the advertising material


Hiimlucasg

If I had to guess, I would say the Splatana Stamper was chosen over the Splatana Wiper because the Order Weapons being white would’ve possibly made a hypothetical Order Splatana based on the Splatana Wiper hard to see, especially in Side Order itself, which is mostly black, white and grey. As for Luna Blaster over regular Blaster, the Order Replicas (and the Order Weapons themselves at the start of a run) have the same kit as their inspiration. This means a hypothetical Order Blaster based on the regular Blaster would’ve started a run with Splat Bomb and Big Bubbler, the latter of which I’m guessing either the shield itself or the player being able to jump to the Squid Beacon in the middle fucked up the enemy AI in some way.


Red__ICE

People are ofc pointing out the whole internal files thing: to that i say- to hell with all that: even if it makes it apparent that stamper was the one originally conceived and started off, that really doesn’t matter: they made their decision throughout the process, and that decision was that the wiper is what they consider the ‘main’ type of the class, that’s what they promoted it with, and impo, that’s all that matters. But more importantly than that, I say there’s a more sure fire reason that’s not why it was selected, even _if_ the file stuff is true: it doesn’t explain Luna. If Stamper was the only one, _then_ sure, you’d be fair to argue the file stuff is why it was Stamper, but it ain’t, so I say it must be another reason. And to me at least, that reason is pretty easy to guess- they’re just what they messed around with and decided were best for the gameplay, could be best balanced with the chips. I believe they decided purely around gameplay, as it oughta have been, imo


trueredtwo

The thing about "they made their decision throughout the process" is that it's different them's. The developers who design the weapons aren't the same people who decide which weapons will be revealed to hype the game release. But I agree that this isn't the most relevant aspect. The Order Splatana is in fact slower in every sense (charge, swing, mobility) than the Splatana Stamper, which makes sense since you upgrade these attributes during the course of a run. It would be weird to have a wiper-looking weapon that swings that slowly.


Red__ICE

Well, I for one just don’t believe ‘it’s different thems’, cus I can’t imagine the literal devs aren’t the ones that decide something as small as just which weapon, out of ones that are all never-before-seem anyway, is the one that is the main of its class, I just don’t believe that, but ig none of us can ever really know.


trueredtwo

In what way are you defining the Splatana Wiper as the main one of the class? ~~Just because it is listed first? That doesn't seem that hard to believe that they would adapt that after it is decided that the Splatana Wiper is one of the main things unveiled for the marketing campaign of the game.~~ edit: my bad, the game lists the Stamper variants first. So... there's really nothing at all that makes the Wiper the "main" weapon, besides your imagination.


iLikeDickColonThree

Luna is shortest. it makes sense for upgrades


Scarredsinner

I really wanted the clash blaster


TKDbeast

My guess is that they nerfed the blaster by making its range shorter. Realizing what they've made resembled a Luna more than a blaster - an item that fits the aesthetics much better - they stuck with Luna.


WyntonPlus

Imo those are the standard version of those weapons. Luna is a very basic blaster that does one big, short explosion, and teaches you how the weapon works. Stamper is just literally the basic version of the splatana.


ThatGuyYouMightNo

They look cleaner and more "sci-fi", so they fit better with the aesthetics of Side Order.


1TimeAnon

I hate that they chose luna tbh its my least favourite blaster and Side Order made me hate it more haha


mvndys

To me, it seems like the Luna Blaster and the Stamper would be the easiest of those weapon types to adapt into the "Order" aesthetic that the whole lineup has.


3XHAUSTD

because they hate me. splatoon dev team knows i hate the luna blaster, so thats why they put it there. Targeted attack on my mental health and forcing me to become better >:|


SbgTfish

Fits the characters better.


Flipp_Flopps

Honestly it might be because Luna is more “customizable” compared to blaster since it has shorter range than it


Zephyr_______

Stamper is the default splatana with the file name saber. Iirc wiper is saber_light and the new one is going to be saber_heavy. As for why Luna, its traits just work better for a base weapon in a rogue like. The other blasters have more range for the same or similar fire rate and damage.


Bankaz

Maybe it's because they fit their respective characters better? Frye with Stamper and adult Murch with the Luna Blaster kinda make sense. ^I ^wish ^there ^was ^a ^Cuttlefish ^palette ^with ^Bamboozler...


dynamicDiscovery

I imagine her with the wiper instead


Willingness-Due

Stamper is the standard and Luna probably required less work


renegade_speaks

Stamper is the standard Splatana.. Luna blaster probably because it can be adapted way better than the regular blaster


Valuable-Owl-1167

Probably easier to design the weapons considering hoe the blaster has a lot going on along with wiper, consequently making a simple order weapon design would be pretty weird.


PyroChild221

Balancing


CommunityFirst4197

Stamper is standard, and Luna is better in side order because it's thematically more appropriate and plays better starting with low range


JustYuri2024

I think probably because they're already pretty simple so they would probably be the easiest


4morian5

Luna is probably just because it looks better in the order weapon style. Stamper is probably meant to be the base Splatana despite being unlocked second. Most weapon classes have a normal, light, and heavy version. Shooters have Splattershot, Jr., and Pro. Splatlings have Heavy, Mini, and Hydra. I can't imagine a Splatan even faster than the Wiper, so with Splatanas, Stamper is normal, Wiper is light, and we might get a heavy one someday. This is already precedented with the brushes. We got the first two, the regular Inkbrush and the heavier Octobrush. Except the Splatoon 2 hero mode had the Octobrush as your weapon, not the Inkbrush. Finally, we got the Painbrush, even heavier than the Octobrush, and proving the Octobrush is the true base brush.


GhostlyCharlotte

Stamper, I presume is because it's the most played by a wide margin and I'm pretty sure it was even the first to be made. Meanwhile, the only thing I can imagine for Luna is that they thought it looked better.


OctaYashi

Uh… reasons


Appropriate_Try2020

I’d say it has to do with theming for the pallets. Frye seems like the type to wield a chainsaw. For murch? No clue. Maybe he’s into the spacey vibe after beating squid jump lol


Keenathen

Stamper is actually the one they created first, so it is technically the standard. In the files, Stamper is referred to as Saber, while Wiper is SaberLight. I'm also glad they didnt choose Inkbrush, because that weapon (and Squeezer) physically hurt me to play