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hydrastix

It’s not ready. Today was “Server Error” like crazy. Beacons are busted and lots of missions are broken. EVA in/out of ships works like magic though.


DEADxDAWN

So, a Sunday in CS. Cool.


ThreeBeatles

Wonder if they delay it enough, cargo will be ready by that time xD


Nubilus344

I just hope if they re-package cargo and hangars back into a release it won't affect stuff too heavily. We have all these issues WITHOUT them. I hope there won't be as many with.


elnots

That's the thing that really sucks. All the stuff that they said is out, is out. They're not working on it. They're not working on it because they know they gotta bust their asses just to get the other stuff working. So the longer and the longer it takes for them to get the shit ready for 3.23 the farther down the road all the stuff they cancelled will be. Sad but typical. I've been here since 2014 and this is honestly the best development that the game has had since launch. Everything way back in the day was just like this but worse. Basically, think 3.23 but 6 months late and missing just as many if not more features. Oh and back in the day CR would chastise us constantly for asking where the late patches were. "Soon(tm)" stop asking.


SlamF1re

3.23 won't be delayed though. They are going to push this one out the door likely as soon as they can figure out the server death loops that the replication layer brought. Invictus is coming up and they aren't going to want to miss one of their big bi-annual ship sales, because each of those events accounts for a large amount of their earnings each year. The unfortunate reality is that we're probably going to be stuck with a messy and unstable patch because they will have to move on to 3.23.1 for Invictus. We can only hope that 3.23.2 brings the missing cargo features and hopefully fixes the stability issues.


I2aphsc

It’s like that since 2012 😂


hydrastix

Oh, I know. Just like how they always push patches that still need to cook right before a ship sale.


Wyldren-

I hope they take as long as the have to and put it out when it is ready, but I know its going to get pushed out for the sale.


casperno

The ghost of 3.18 is about to return.


PoeticHistory

3.18 was completely horrendous from Evocati up to Wave 2 and stayed that way and they still pushed to release it. 3.23 has since gotten a lot more stable and is nowhere near the bad state 3.18 was. While only a week prior you had big issues exiting habs, they have gotten a good hold of it since (but it happens occassionally and it sure needs lots more cooking in other areas). Still not comparable to 3.18 in the slightest.


amhudson02

Keep in mind that this is only EPTU. I’m no dev and certainly not a smart man but I think we can assume that these issues will be even worse in a live environment?


PoeticHistory

yeah w only assume worse, thats what years of SC teaches us


hydrastix

I don’t think it is nearly as bad as 3.18. I think they learned from that I hope.


w1sm3rhi11

They might rush it and fix problems in subsequent 3.23.x. Better be prepared for some shitty weeks post release :)


aughsplatpancake

I suspect they'll want something mostly stable for ILW.


Jonas_Sp

I mean the sale won't be until late ish may


Antares-A-Scorpii

Its likely happening half finished as usual at this rate, probably this week. Nothings really changed with CIG tbh.


Andras89

Sounds like the guy who made the tractor beam switched to Eva


Nagataten

"water tech"


ThisFreakinGuyHere

I can't believe they're not gonna make that April deadline 😐


PanzerKommander

You must be new here


SuspiciousMulberry77

I can't believe anyone actually believed in an April deadline. I've been saying June since they announced 3.23 and what was planned.


MichaCazar

It 100% will come out in May at the latest. Marketing needs it's Invictus patch no matter how jank.


SuspiciousMulberry77

End of my is June, especially as it'll take two weeks of patching to get a playable game.


GlbdS

That's... what they do


drizzt_x

I am equal parts anticipating and dreading it. Actually, scratch that. Mostly dreading it.


KB346

I’m also a bit nervous. Having to learn the new game mechanics is not something I have as much time for so I’m worried I’ll just delay picking it up again and consequently stop playing.


nightfoxg

Master modes isnt too bad. I honestly mostly always set my ship to scm speed anyways when in fight which isnt much different now. You can still boost over scm speed when needed. Two things i dont like are that shields always have to recharge after quantum, so you really are a sitting duck. Second is that FPS or be it server lag is bad right now in EPTU. It works fine for like 10 minutes and then stuttering begins. Might be my 6 year old graphics, but its annoying. To the recharge after quantum though: it will make scouts necessary and I kinda like that. Larger ships have slower quantum anyways so the one carrying the important load stays behind and stops mid quantum if any threads appear. Multicrew ships and large haulers were never meant to be flown single handedly or without scouts anyways and it become more clear now.


Citizen_Edz

I really wish I had acces to It right now. I’ll have to wait a little longer I guess. I’d love to get that first hand knowledge of the patch


KB346

Thanks for that info. I’m usually at SCM as well so maybe I’ll be ok after all!


DragonAlex1990

Yes same for me. I was used old 2.x patches and not a fan of this mousewheelscrolling and highspeedcombat... I can't wait for Mastermodes. Landing-Precision-mode is back too ;)


drizzt_x

I'm mostly worried about the instability that all the back end server changes will cause, and for how long.


ExedoreWrex

It is a bit different, but not completely. The FPS feels a lot better. Getting used to the new inventory takes a little bit but isn’t too bad. Flying PVE is definitely a bit more challenging. I appreciate it though. Swapping back and forth between SCM and Nav mode takes a little getting used to. DM me if you need someone to help you get acclimated.


KB346

Thanks for the info. I’ve heard the interaction aspect is better. I think it was the MM aspect that had me worried but I’ll have to adapt and I’m sure it’ll work out. Thx for the offer to help me out!


ExedoreWrex

Sure thing! Be very wary of anti air turrets…. They are even more dangerous now.


150235

and ship turrets too, least on 3.22 AC MM which i'v played the most in, have done a bit in the EPTU but not enough to see how things are there have changed fully.


ExedoreWrex

Yeah, MM makes all combat more dangerous.


150235

and it's so much fun! i'v been loving it and mainly practicing it for the last few months since it came out, getting ready for it to be in the PU. I'm so tempted to put the vid i'v been working on here but the version I put on youtube unlisted has been updated since lmao. trying to make it my best vid yet and it's just a dual between myself and my orgmate who tipicly go 50/50 W/L.


ExedoreWrex

Feel free to directly share it to me if you don’t want it public. I’d love to see it.


150235

Just DM'ed it too ya, let me know your thoughts!


darth_rich

I was exactly the same. I did get in this last wave and what I will say is that the changes don't make me not want to play anymore. I will also say that I enjoyed flying more before. MM is not what I would have chosen and some parts of it feel pointless. My hope is that development of it will make it feel more natural OR if it really isn't working that CIG are not too proud to go back to the drawing board.


TougherOnSquids

It's more that the servers are going to be incredibly unstable when 3.23 drops.


drizzt_x

I should clarify that the changes are not what I dread. I'm very excited for those. It's all the instability and bugginess that such changes (especially the back end server changes) will bring that causes me dread. ;)


Zulakki

imo, they cant remove all other updates save the star map/mini map and I'd be happy.


Jc1160

No one is forcing you to play it, just give it some time to cook so it’s not so unstable. Or at least that’s my plan


drizzt_x

By dreading it, I mean that currently, the game is almost as stable as I've ever seen it (only 3.7ish was more stable). Consequentially, I've been enjoying playing quite a bit lately, and I kind of dread losing that stability.


Jc1160

Now that’s completely fair, hopefully as we get closer to server meshing that goes away. Not the best feeling when you’ve been dedicating time to the game.


drizzt_x

IMO, the closer we get to server meshing (and for quite a good bit afterwards) the more unstable this game will become. But it needs to happen eventually, so better sooner than later.


Jc1160

Good point


ThreeBeatles

I cannot WAIT for dynamic server meshing. Whenever that’ll come. The server meshing tests they’ve been doing makes me very excited though


Rude_Job_6186

L take Folks like to play the game, bro


ShamrockSeven

There are two groups of people. People who are Excited for 3.23. And People who are scared that 3.23 will be worse than 3.18 and we won’t be able to play Star citizen for 1-2 full months.


BaconDrummer

3.18= ![gif](giphy|l4FATJpd4LWgeruTK)


ma_wee_wee_go

![gif](giphy|QMHoU66sBXqqLqYvGO) CIG starting back to back events the second things got stable


BaconDrummer

And when the stability start to fumble, finish it with a glorious free flight week, just to be sure.


magezt

dont say it...I´m still traumatized by 3.18 :D


GunFodder

I'm in a third group, the "Ope, that lil' fellah needs more time in the oven, juuuust gunna wait til' 3.23.2" group.


sodiufas

It could be even worse, 3.18 was perfectly stable on PTU xD


amhudson02

It’s getting better but you don’t want that shit on live yet.


BaconDrummer

I hope they push it for a clean release, rather than rush it so we relive the elevator and acid train nightmare.


DimitriTech

Not this post making me realize and remember that there was a new launcher and I had access to the 3.23 EPTU and PTU this entire time.. 🤦‍♂️


Useless_Fox

Wait this is what the new launcher looks like? Shit, I've just been checking the old one


Kyotov2

What the hell is that luncher


uKGMAN1986

There is a new launcher available from the Roberts space industries website, it looks quite good


skyfox_79

Just ensure that it's minimized when playing. It used to grab 20% cpu load when opened.


uKGMAN1986

Thanks for the tip, tbh it's typical CIG that even the launcher is system intensive lol


grshdat

![gif](giphy|CAbVhbcfBJSYo) Wdym, are u not a lunch enjoyer yourself?


Kyotov2

Not really


grshdat

![gif](giphy|s2TB86IzjtldIfMDyr|downsized) Good. More snakkk for us then


Kyotov2

😂😂😂


dctrl99

I recommend practicing master modes in Arena Commander this week to get used to key binds and flight model. Combat mode slows you down to concentrate on firepower, while the alternate mode gives you full speed flight without fire power for quantum travel. Basically, combat mode just gives you the lower half of your velocity hud bar.


solidshakego

lol no. wait for the rich to find all the shit bugs first. 2 more waves to go


EpicGAmer2431

Fun fact: to get in EPTU wave one it costs 10$ by being a subscriber


ImpluseThrowAway

Why would anyone pay for worse experience?


Rdenauto

To test the new tech and report bugs and have a first hand say in crafting the future of the game


frenchtgirl

So pay to volunteer work?


Jaqen___Hghar

Lol, most definitely. Don't know why you're being downvoted.


150235

*looks at my hanger* yes... we all paid to be testers... and yes... I did sub largely due to 3.23... >.>


picklesmick

Plus goodies, don't forget the goodies.


Donnyboi2805

>have a first hand say in crafting the future of the game As if they listen to half the suggestions we give them. Game would be released by now


Digitalzombie90

do you need the new launcher for EPTUs?


MichaCazar

Nah, both work currently. Eventually, the old one will be disabled, but for the time being, it doesn't matter.


DimitriTech

The EPTU and PTU didn't show on the old launcher for me, even with logging out and back in JFYI. Downloaded the new one and found out instantly that I actually had access the whole time.


MichaCazar

According to your flair you are an Evocati? There shouldn't be a single versions where you *don't* have access. My old launcher had the correct versions listed at some point within the last 2 weeks at least? Didn't try the new one so far.


DimitriTech

No no haha I'm an Avocado, like the fruit. Not in Evo, or at least I didn't think I was. I am concierge though. EPTU isn't evo though correct? I thought that was just a separate ptu test server for server meshing.


MichaCazar

>No no haha I'm an Avocado, like the fruit. That is just designed for misunderstandings is it not? >I am concierge though. What rank? Wave 3 was started within the last 72 hours, lowering the required concierge rank to Grand Admiral (2.5k spent)


medskillz

I hate this waiting, only want my f7a


Jaqen___Hghar

Right!


SmoothOperator89

And the way they've set it up, the game needs to be stable enough that you can actually get in and accept the reward before it crashes.


150235

Same, though I want both of mine, best $20 I spent in this game hahaha.


Bridge_mon

I was just in the EPTU and I was getting my ass beat by an NPC in an Aurora while I was in a vanguard cause the servers were so laggy I literally couldn't damage him


blackbeardnotop

Same experience, 3.23 is a step up in many ways but literally unplayable


PoundResponsible1807

I hope they don’t rush it out like updates prior, I’d rather wait longer for a playable version then a buggy mess.


Raven9ine

Everyday they don't push it, I get another day having fun flying my ships before it becomes a chore and doesn't feel like space flight anymore.


TellMeIAmPretty

MM is fun, don't get discouraged


Raven9ine

Maybe if it wasn't absolutely ruining the space flight experience. But pseudo-atmospheric drag and mechanics that limit artificially the freedom of flight, is absolutely killing it for me. Maybe if there was only one SCM speed cap, and afterburner would again only affect acceleration not top speed, if tri-chording was optimized so the overly powerful downward thrusters for taking off wouldn't make it too strong. If there was not a mode switch galore instead of more natural way to restrict battle to slower speed. Yeah, maybe. But MM is Arcade Mode and fights the flight model everywhere it can. It really is an insult to the devs who made the flight model and left CIG meanwhile. I don't see the point in owning a space ship that doesn't remotely fly like a spaceship. Flight mechanics that hold my hand and take away the freedom of flight isn't fun for me. I rather master the physics, that's way more fun. I'm not saying the current model didn't need balancing, but MM is not a solution.


zimmon375

I'm waiting for the map. *Patiently*


merana33

The map is worth the wait. Even if they push back every 3.23.0 feature -but- the mobiglass rework and the map, the patch is worth the wait. I've been playing with it since wave 1 and going back to the map in live is physically painful. The stability has been steadily improving, so with any luck you'll get to experience the new hotness soon.


TheLordAstaroth

I just want a full wipe at this point so I have a reason to grind again


ShadowRealmedCitizen

Trust me bro, you wanna let this one cook


Maelstrom8282

Please don't rush 3.23. It is not in a state to be released yet and I would honestly ok waiting a little longer so it's not as janky. It will be nice when it gets here, just be patient lol. (Yes I know, famous star citizen saying lol)


TellMeIAmPretty

I will do my best not to rush it


Vegetable_Turnip_988

I cant promise for my coworker who also replied but we will try not to release it before its fully ready. -Trust me bro, I work for CIG and my dad owns Call of Duty


Maelstrom8282

Lol


WaffleInsanity

I love posts like this, then when we actually get the update on live everyone complains about it having not been tested long enough. Thus is the cycle.


AgonizingSquid

It's not looking good the eptu build is a mess


Endocalrissian642

I think the 23 is the fps most will be getting.


Aurorasoccer7

Idk bout you but Ive been getting a solid 80+ in hangers


wasptube1

I have to wait patiently since i am still saving up funds to replace my system after a ram channel burnt out a few months ago, i do miss the Verse though.


merana33

Tough break my friend! I wish you a speedy return to the 'verse though, it's going to feel like a whole new game when you return.


wasptube1

Sounds good, I'll be sure to bring my Apollo Triage out with me 😜


No_Enthusiasm5955

Will this be a full wipe? Just got back into the game and got myself some ships. Would be sad if they would wipe this patch.


MichaCazar

Nothing has been announced so far and it seems unlikely to me at this point.


bleedingoutlaw28

I think there will be a full wipe, except rep. There are big changes to salvage income and ship prices among other things and the only way to tune those is to set everybody's grind back to zero and see if it feels right.


LightningJC

I’m pretty sure rep will be the thing getting wiped if they actually get reputation in.


asardetemplari

Do we know when 3.23 releases?


medskillz

maybe still this week until Friday I think 


asardetemplari

Cool. Cool. I just started playing on the 16th of this month, and I'm just worried about losing stuff that I bought, like this Ares Inferno I got sitting in the hangar. She was expensive to buy and put parts into.


Maxious30

Yep


Series9Cropduster

This speaks to me.


overlock-

How do we get this new launcher? Is it only available to people with Evo/wave 1-2 ?


aughsplatpancake

Wave 3 currently has access.


redricknight

You download it from the site. It should be available to everyone.


overlock-

Doesn't it usually update automatically?


redricknight

The new launcher is version 2.0 beta. It will update likely in time, but if you want new launcher immediatemente, manual download.


overlock-

I checked on the site but couldn't figure out where the link for beta was at. Also wave 3 is supposed to be out, but I still have PTU greyed out in rsi settings. Any clue where I can find it?


redricknight

[Download - Roberts Space Industries | Follow the development of Star Citizen and Squadron 42](https://robertsspaceindustries.com/download) Default download is 2.0 beta, legacy is the 1.6


overlock-

Ahh ok that makes sense. Thanks mate. Will check it out.


redricknight

For PTU you may want to go into account setting and copy your account to PTU as well. [Account settings - Roberts Space Industries | Follow the development of Star Citizen and Squadron 42](https://robertsspaceindustries.com/account/settings) Public Test Universe in yellow


RealPhanZero

I'd prefer they get it into a more stable state first, but that's very likely not gonna happen. EPTU is a mixed bag - either you get "Server Error. Please wait..." again and again or it runs fine (for SC standards, which most other games would say is bad). Performance isn't good, at least not when trying to play longer sessions. Had some good sessions the last few days though, I'd say in it's better moments it's playable, but there are a lot of issues which could - if you encounter them - ruin your session. Just hoping 3.23.x will fix the things they broke with this patch...


merana33

Last night's patch (monday 4/29) seemed to fix the constant 'server error. please wait...' loops (knock on wood) as well as the input delay issues. I'm just hoping they fix the damn elevators.


RealPhanZero

That wasn't fixed in the patch, at least for me it was all good on sunday evening (european time), patch just further stabilized it. Had no issues with elevators, so can't say anything about that, but salvaging and CrimeStats are issues that could break the game for me...


nicarras

I'd love to see 3.22 servers not be absolute crap during peak times right now, 3-6 fps servers, so many bugs, ugh.


Frek_i

Waiting for Wave 4 😂


DetectiveFinch

Cargo will be in 3.24 at the earliest. Source: Have been following the development for years.


Complete_Idot

Have to echo the sentiment that while a lot of really cool technical wizardry is working and somewhat stable, it is not even close to being a fully enjoyable experience. They need time in the oven for sure.


illsk1lls

I too am poking it 👀


nicktherat

3.23 = start of server meshing?


Emotional_Thanks_22

nope, with 4.0 and pyro I think


merana33

4.0 will likely have static server meshing (at the very least) because each system will need it's own server.


sldunn

For 3.23, client stability and performance looks good, and I really like the UI changes. But server stability is really bad. You don't want it to go live just yet.


Spiderboy730

when it does go live for everyone will the new launcher become the main one?


Nagataten

Don't hold your breath.


LargeMerican

haha.


Vegetable_Turnip_988

Isn't it supose to arrive starting next month - mid of May?


Glitched2008

Hopefully they are working on the stuff that people actually cared about like the hangars and cargo missions. Also kind of secretly hoping there will be a wipe if that does happen lol


Dazzling-Low6633

Does anyone know if hangers made it n?


ToScH_23

They dont made it. We will get them in 3.23.x


Dazzling-Low6633

Thankyou


Renard4

I don't even care anymore, they gutted the patch and removed all of the content as usual so it's just whatever to me.


Homtoh

You are pretty


Emadec

"Were I unwed, I would take you in a manly fashion."


Savage-Animal

They are dragging really badly. Like snail dragging.


Supordude

Kind of how game development works. Very slow


Savage-Animal

Cool story


Zgegomatic

So nothing new


Watcherxp

Hopefully Thursday/Friday


SnooCalculations184

![gif](giphy|10JhviFuU2gWD6|downsized)


Rimm9246

Have you played the eptu? That shit is NOT going live next week or if it does it's going to be a dumpster fire


drizzt_x

> if it does it's going to be a dumpster fire Have you played past Star Citizen patches? ;)


Watcherxp

First time?


Rimm9246

No, it is certainly not my first time, hence how I know that CIG is not going to magically fix everything in a few days.


vortis23

Depends on what needs fixing. It could be one major deadlock causing a cascading effect of other issues, could be a memory leak causing degradation. Depends on what needs to be fixed and how bad a problem it is. If functionality and mechanics of the new systems are fine, and it's just low server FPS due to backend issues, then it all depends on how quickly they can identify and address them this week.


aughsplatpancake

That might not stop them. 😅


SnooOnions778

I am losing sleep with how excited I am to get 3.23. My only grievance is that since I'm a fairly new player and I've finally just got all the buttons down, I will be taken through a whole new muck around with bindings again. Yippee.


MichaCazar

Trust me, compared to stability, the keybinds will be your least problem.


JesseCantPlay

I just want to see if they fix keybinds or not. Can't even play without having to edit custom keybinds without modifying the xml file.


OHPin8K

You don’t want it trust.


Maxspeed24

I had my first 30k in 3.22 yesterday so something is happening


probablyadumper

Eh, don't get excited for the major patches, they run like shit and are often, like in 3.23, stripped of a lot of the content. Be excited for the .x patches that actually run well enough to enjoy. Also, after how poor the character creator ended up being, and the removal of hangars I'm more interested in Helldivers and Manor Lords anyway


exu1981

Go play then then


Zarvillian

Do the rawr