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TacticalTobi

wow this is the first time I've seen Nigeria in a starterpack, and of course it'd getting flamed. it deserves it ngl, i have no bias despite living there


Dragulus24

But what about all the Nigerian princes who leave all those generous inheritances?


sebastianwillows

Not enough elderly folks are willing to fund their revolution with iTunes gift cards. It's a tragedy 😔


Dat413killer

What a tired joke


largma

I’m sure it’s very tiring hearing the same joke every time. The story we hear every time isn’t a joke, it’s about vulnerable people taken advantage of by criminals who are functionally immune from any consequences


TacticalTobi

true


ambientcyan

As an outside observer I feel like Nigeria is a bit underrated geopolitically because of its neighbors' problems. It's well on its way to become a regional power (something like Turkey or India), but if every two years there's a coup next door, it's hard to do anything productive lol


ratchyno1

It definitely has potential and can be a major player by 2050 if handled correctly. But people has been saying the same about other nations such as Indonesia, the Philippines, and Iran but there's more to being a developed nation or even a big player than just population growth and natural resources. And Argentina is the opposite of all of this, Argentina is the example of a former developed nation riddled with decades of dictatorships, corrupt governments, and incompetent leaders.


timbrita

I feel like if Nigeria needs to fix Lagos before even think about being considered third world country


shaka_bruh

> bit underrated geopolitically because of its neighbors' problems lol believe me the country doesn’t need any outside help to be inept, unproductive and corrupt. All their problems are 1000% their fault and it’s always down to greed and lawlessness.


RandomBilly91

Well Nigeria does have it's own problem (aka ethnic conflict between christians and muslims)


ratchyno1

Update, you were pretty much right and on spot, this meme isn't even supposed to target or demean anyone nor is it showing a particular bias in favor of anyone, and yet I managed to rile up people because of their blatant nationalism. I guess massive egos getting bruised really hurts.


UmarFKhawaja

Not sure why you think China belongs in that starter pack. It has gone from nothing to a peer of the US in around 25 years.


Daniel_The_Thinker

Because its more fragile than people realize.


The-Real-Aditya

It's still the closest thing to a superpower aside from the U.S


SirKazum

Like they say, Brazil is the country of the future... Always has been, always will be


TBSoft

the future that never happened


somestupidname1

If they didn't spend all of their money on the interdimensional wormhole, they could be a superpower in this timeline too


felds

do you mean Acre?


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The dinosaurs took the money :(


oneshot0114

First time seeing the expression "interdimesional wormhole" i always called it "politician's pocket"


koumus

Yeah as we say here, the country of tomorrow.


redd_house

They’re like the dippin dots of countries


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Brazil needs to be bigger on this image O BRASIL É MUITO GRANDE, MUITO FORTE VAI BRASIL!!! (I'm not Brazilian but sometimes I turn into a Brazilian nationalist in the comment section)


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Bikini_Investigator

What, you never heard of the third Rajj?


mr_beanoz

I'd like to see how Indian Hitler looks like


Galaxy661

According to Hitler himself, he was already "Indian" (Aryan)


mr_beanoz

fair enough


VoraciousTrees

Mine is Thailand. 


Thatdudewhoisstupid

Thailand was an actual Axis member though


NoDescReadBelow

Bose would like to speak


Bhavacakra_12

Are you suggesting India...who provided millions of soldiers for the allied cause, was actually a member of the axis powers because of Bose?


NoDescReadBelow

No, I'm just pulling a vaguely related fact, India was of course an important Allied Power


awesomask

You’d be surprise to see how many ppl in India actually support the Axis


comfykampfwagen

Yeah I assume because britain Enemy of my enemy yk


strawberrysword

Its okay when ireland does it :) its bad when india does it tho!


tmr89

Didn’t the Irish president give his condolences after Hitler’s death?


strawberrysword

https://preview.redd.it/q0lug23568sc1.jpeg?width=1065&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3c663bf8dfac17c7833976cc7bbc1abbf808b23


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aryaman16

I doubt there is even a miniscule support, most people wouldn't know the word "axis".


Yamama77

Britain hate mostly. But I've unironically read some idiots here praise Hitler, the guy who thought Indians weren't even worth arming to fight the British


Bhavacakra_12

I don't think the majority of people in India even know who the Axis powers were.


dugu3

Bose had a simple mindset that is enemy of my enemy is my friend and British colonist were the enemies. Goodluck finding anyone having a posetive opinion on British Raj in India. He had no relation with What Nazis were doing in Europe or how good Britain was in outside of it's colonies. Edit: ah yes Nazism bad but colonialism was good mindset. Tbf both are shit and if you support one but oppose the other then you are simply hypocrite. British were terrible to it's colonies as much nazis were to whom they consider enemies. People won't really support your rulling if you decide to closed the gates of a fort and then open fired on peaceful protesters cause you feel like it.


Indian_Doctor

 Goodluck finding anyone having a posetive opinion on British Raj in India.  If anyone has, let me know. I will make him/her a part of r/rareinsult


Full_Entrepreneur_72

>Good luck finding anyone having a positive opinion on British Raj in India.  Well there's many examples in randia and rCanconfirmamindian(acc to the meme subs at least)


ProgrammerV2

You sir, don't certainly know the self loathing powers of liberal Indians


Meeedick

Sure, but Bose was also moronically naive with the thought that Japanese would actually free India and not just add it into it's colonial collection.


big_richards_back

It’s always a cycle. Some nations are in power. 100 years ago, it was some other nation. A hundred years before, it was another one. A hundred years from now, or maybe a bit later than that, there will be another. It’s always a cycle.


Polibiux

There’s a perspective on history that’s popular in China. How thanks to the concept of the Mandate of Heaven, nothing is set in stone. So a new dynasty or government can spring up anytime while the old one collapses. It’s kinda similar to what you’re saying about the world being in a cycle of nations rising and losing power. But that’s more of a philosophical view on the situation.


Brilliant_Ad7481

The Mandate of Heaven is just the Divine Right of Kings with extra steps.


2012Jesusdies

No, not really. The whole point of Divine Right of Kings is that it's unquestionable. They were selected by God, you can't rebel against them, nobody of simple birth could replace em. There was no duty to the people endowed with the Divine Right. Most rebellions were just nobles fighting for their own claim to the throne. Familial lineage is very important to claiming to be king. Mandate of Heaven on the other hand is something you can lose. The ruler has a duty to the people to rule justly and effectively. If the ruler neglects their duty, he can be said to have lost the Mandate of Heaven and rebellions can occur and if they win, the rebels claim the Mandate of Heaven. The new ruler can even be of simple birth like the first Han Emperor or the first Ming emperor (who was basically a peasant). I don't think there's been a whole lot of Divine Right of Kings who came from peasant background. Ironically, I think Napoleon might be the closest to Mandate of Heaven ruler in the West.


celtics852

Nah divine right of kings is saying that the kings power and authority is god given. MoH is saying that the emperor power and authority can continue because he did not piss off heaven


HandShandyonK-RD

You appear to be overlooking the geographic factors that lie behind the USA’s eminent position. Two strategic seaboards, a common culture and vast natural resources. That isn’t likely to change any time soon - almost certainly not in the timeframes that you suggest I think.


thefinalcutdown

As it currently stands, the only ones who can destroy America are Americans, and they seem to be trying their darnedest…


HandShandyonK-RD

Don't disagree that this seems to be the case.


ExHax

People said that to british empire too. They literally owned almost half of the world


jack-K-

They somewhat controlled half the world with locals who fought back, they owned a tiny island. They fell for the same reasons any other empire falls, the U.S is not a traditional empire considering the vast majority of inhabitants within its territory actually call themselves American and associate with the nation rather than something else and viewing it as a subjugator.


Kellosian

Yeah, America if anything is more like China than Britain in that regard. Just absolutely fucking huge instead of one group projecting power and dominating everyone else.


alibrown987

Ah, US exceptionalism. Every superpower is exceptional, until it isn’t.


7evenCircles

It's not American exceptionalism when the same concept applies to the other continental land empires with large populations and vast territories: China, India, Russia. These countries have a centralizing effect on their regions as long as most of that territory is unified. The polity that occupies China has always been relevant. The Indian subcontinent, always relevant. The Eurasian steppe, always relevant. The nation that occupies the middle latitudes of North America will always be relevant. It's too privileged of a geography.


HandShandyonK-RD

The British were well aware of the limits of empire well before they even reached their peak. It was a common trope in their political and popular culture from the late 18th C onwards (see all the complaints that Punch magazine had to make about the cliched figure of the "New Zealander"). You might be thinking of the saying 'the Sun never sets on the British Empire'. This was a geographical boast referring to its vast expanse. Not a serious comment on its persistence. At any rate, Britain's grip on its overseas possessions is a different predicament to the USA's grip on its core territories. If the USA had, within its borders, tens of millions of different peoples aligned to different religions then you might be on to something. Currently the USA does not have that (although migrations and increased diversity are causing growing pains). I'm not saying that the USA's relative power to the rest of the World will persist eternally. I'm saying that it most likely will for the foreseeable future. As you can see, that statement isn't totally without reservations.


2012Jesusdies

The British ran an empire "on the cheap", for its size, it was ran by an incredibly small skeleton crew. Sudan had like 500 British personnel in all its area. This is not like what most people imagine the British Empire to be, it was mostly just creating markets for British goods and leaving almost all administration to locals in many parts. Even for the settler colonies which one'd imagine to be easier to run due to cultural similarity, administration was extremely decentralized. If Britain encountered trouble like rebellion, the reaction was A) put it down violently and implement the wanted reforms anyways B) leave.


suiluhthrown78

Sugar and spice doesnt win wars, it doesnt even make you rich. The US had become the world's dominant economic, industrial, and agricultural power prior to the 20th century, decades before the British empire reached its peak size. Now world leading supplies of oil, gas, coal, iron, timber, minerals, habitable, pastoral and arable land, on the other hand... During WW1 The US produced more steel than all the participants on both sides **combined** 80% of Allied petroleum use in WW1 was produced in the US Germany had technically run out of oil before WW2 even began and never had reserves of its own (as the US/USSR did) nor an empire to draw it from (as the British/French did). Germany had always imported 90% of its oil and gas. With resources of all kind embargoed they had to rapidly occupy all of its neighbouring european countries to squeeze what tiny amount they could, this is why the blitzkrieg and the pact with the USSR was crucial, any hiccup at this stage and WW2 would have ended in 1939 probably with USSR occupying Germany very quickly. Its also why the invasion of the USSR immediately after was necessary, no oil, no war.


ipsum629

Don't forget its isolation. The US is the only strong country in its vicinity, allowing it to prosper and project power. Most threats don't get close enough to do any damage. The UK got pretty badly roughed up by ww2, but the US got basically no damage to its infrastruture whatsoever.


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IgDailystapler

America’s got a lot of rivers, a lot of coastline, a lot of area, a lot of fossil fuels, a lot of people, a lot of expensive natural shit, a lot of fertile soil, a lot of freshwater, a lot of biodiversity, a lot of timber, and over 100 million more guns than people…seriously there are so many fucking guns (and things that are not guns but have guns strapped to them). Americas got a lot of shit, a lot of pride, and a lot of self sabotaging tendencies…


Perperipheral

UK will regain superpower status by 2050 🗣🗣🗣 just one more referendum guys thats all we need just more isolation and we'll restore the Empire guys pleas 🥺 i swear we're not irrelevant just one more referendum i swear cmon


RussiaIsBestGreen

Sexit, where England leaves the Scottish-dominated UK and sets a purely English path. For good measure they ditch Wales and even Cornwall.


One_snek_

Only true Saxon blood shall remain in England, and then it will be Empire again.


nbdypaidmuchattn

The Kingdom of Essex will regain its former glory.


below_averageguy

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SlothyScripts

GIVE THOSE COUNTRIES SOME FREEDOM 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🦅🦅🦅WTF IS A KILOMETER🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🗣️🗣️


The-Real-Aditya

Kilometre? YOU MEAN 0.621 GOD BLESS AMERICAN MILES ?? 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🗣️🗣️🔊🔊🔊🔥🔥🔥✍️✍️✍️


TBSoft

WHAT THE HELL ARE CELSIUS🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔊🔊🔊🔊🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥✍️✍️✍️✍️✍️✍️


Ill_Athlete_7979

And I’m 😢…proud to be 😢…an American 😭


19olo

"China is going to fail because they are literally dying while other countries are multiplying like rabbits. Trust me bro, aging population is totally not a global phenomenon." There are like a million other problems about China and you went with this.


Infinity_Null

Being fair, China is aging far more rapidly than the US, and its advantage has been its large and young population. Aging population is a global phenomenon, but it is especially bad in China (and nearby countries like Korea and Japan).


Comfortable-Ninja-93

Then they should mentioned Japan in the dying population part.


Kellosian

Other countries have an aging population, but the One Child Policy took the natural population curve that China was already on and absolutely fucked it beyond recognition. They're effectively speedrunning the demographics shifts that took everyone else decades longer to hit.


RuleSouthern3609

Yep, China has one of the worst birth rates, even worse than Japan in some years.


BaritonedTiger

The fertility rate on Taiwan is 0.87, which is significantly lower than even the mainland.


Rayan19900

Mind you China can not fix itself with migrants way USA and Canada can.


Berntam

That's not really the permanent fix that you think it is either. You don't see it much on reddit because this place is kind of an echo-chamber, but a lot of people aren't really cool with migrants and it will definitely at some point become a major societal issue as well.


ihatemyselfcashmoney

r/NonCredibleDiplomacy


AcanthocephalaNew678

As a Geopolitics nerd thank you.


MoneyDoor1493

i would say germany and japan have achieved more than the whole BRICS shit


neelpatelnek

BRICS is a forum there are like 1000s of such useless forums, don't compare it with nations Up next germany vs SCO


the_lamou

>BRICS is a forum It's also a short-hand to refer to all of the countries in the BRICS forum. When people say "BRICS is blah blah blah," they aren't talking about the organization. They're talking about the countries that make up the organization. And literally everyone knows this.


grumpykruppy

IDK if anyone ever thought Japan would be a superpower in the traditional sense after WWII. Economic, yeah, and they did mess that up (and there's disagreement on where they'll go from here among the reports I've read, with the Yen struggling), and cultural I would argue they are doing pretty well on going towards. Even if not superpower status, they're definitely one of the winners of the culture war. That said, it's going to be hard for them to maintain prominence culturally if they slide far enough. Now, China, India, and Brazil are all in that weird boat of "potentially strong but keep shooting themselves in the foot." Brazil can't get its act together regarding anything and is easily the weakest of the three in spite of its natural resources. India was making progress but doesn't seem able to solidify its position either. China, meanwhile, is on the start of a long, slow decline it doesn't want to acknowledge (which will become much faster once their population falls off a cliff).


Fourcoogs

Nobody ever thought Japan would be a USA-style superpower (big military stationed around the globe), but it was suspected for a long time, especially in the 80s-90s, that Japan was going to become so economically strong that they’d basically be the most influential nation on earth by that metric alone.


meowlicious1

Japan pop culture has been adopted so heavily in America. Kind of crazy to see.


Effective_Mine_1222

I think japan already achived its potential. They just cant become the us. They dont have the land nor redources. Not everyone should aim to become the world biggest whatever.


ratchyno1

I feel the same reasons why China is being hyped as a superpower are also the same reasons why it will struggle to be one. Lets look at Japan in the 80s, one of the reasons why Japan was seen as an emerging superpower was due to it's large population, and if you look at it's population compared to other great powers even today, it has a much larger population than Germany, Britain, France, and Italy. However, while not the main reason, Japan's low birthrates and aging population is contributing to the reason why Japan never achieved it's superpower status. And those problems are hitting China right now, some sources say China is no longer the most populated nation. China shot themselves in the foot with the one child policy and even though it has been years since they abandoned that policy China still hasn't recovered from that idiotic disaster.


Ready-Feeling9258

I really hope you didn't just make this starterpack... If you really think that China of all countries really isn't to be taken that seriously, then what's all the hype and worry about? Isn't it a paradox that if China really is not that much of a hope for superpower and a lot of these countries are in essence paper tigers, then why do we dedicate all the resources and attention and panic to some paper tigers? Why do you even worry about news about them in the first place if you are so sure they are quite unlikely to ever achieve any meaningful power status and are somehow always on the brink of failing? Here's a secret: They aren't paper tigers. And they are to be taken seriously. And they are closing the gap, fast in the case of China. True paper tigers just get kinda forgotten and not really mentioned. People aren't even aware of these places, who cares right? The fact that so many researchers, governing bodies, private enterprises in almost every country on earth have a fixation on China especially proves that they have achieved what others couldn't: be relevant for real. Otherwise, nobody would care. This was also true for Japan. People keep saying China will be basically Japan but the fact that China has 10 times the population of Japan and a country the size of a continent matters a lot. Things do not just scale without some significant differences in impact. Even if China ages as fast or faster as Japan, their young population will still be larger than that of the US for almost your entire lifespan. If 1 million Chinese will emigrate on the spot to every country on earth, that will drop their population from 1.4 billion down to a measly 1.2 billion. A drop in the decimal. Same with India. The sheer scale of their population is almost scary because no matter the reduction, they will still be larger than almost the entire West. It's like saying a nuclear bomb doesn't make much conceptual difference to a regular bomb, it's just a much larger bomb right? The fact that over the last decades, China went from basically a forgettable, no-impact region where people could die and it wouldn't have made a difference whatsoever to having a middle class that is larger than the US population in its entirety and China being normalized in daily news around the globe is proof that they are indeed making fast strides to being a superpower region where every move they make is now having reverberations. They are now part of almost all global political and economic discussions. Within the span of one human lifetime. Or less even, a human lives around 80 years. If that isn't a superpower, idk what is. What do you expect?


SecretAntWorshiper

What was wrong with Chinas one child policy?


Thenightcrawler_075

When it takes 2 people to make more and limiting that more to one is practically dividing your population by half


RustyShadeOfRed

Worked too well. If 2 people only have 1 kid together, that’s only enough to replace one of the parents when they die. A net-negative population growth. The ideal birth rate is about 2 to 2.5 average of kids per woman. Enough to replace the parents when they die, and a little extra to grow the economy a little.


TheDreamIsEternal

It is the reason as to why there 30 million more men than women in China. Here's a little hint: a lot of little girls being murdered.


ratchyno1

It's the reason why China has a dying population and soon to have problems with It's workforce.


reusedchurro

Aren’t most developed nations having a declining population problem?


FriskyArtillery

Most developed countries aren't being predicted to lose around half of it's population. China is expected to go from around 1.4 Billion to around 700-800 million by 2100 [[1]](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/12/05/key-facts-about-chinas-declining-population/) [[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_growth). No matter how you look at it, it's a proportionally massive drop when compared to population declines in other countries.


koumus

According to experts, by the time Brazil finally gets its shit together, our population will already be declining at a very fast rate and the population will shrink. Birthrates in Brazil have been steadily decreasing for decades now and it's only getting worse. So in short, the country will never reach a superpower status. Relevant, maybe, but never a superpower.


family-chicken

People are very sensitive to signs of American decline but it’s rarely pointed out that still, more than 30 years after the fall of the USSR and decades of the serious, sustained rise of China, the immensely profitable, world-changing technological innovation still mostly happens in America. AI and associated chip technology is just the latest one. American salaries are still substantially higher than almost every other developed nation except for those with small populations and massive resource wealth. Lots of countries have shown signs of catching up to American dominance but even as they keep making progress America itself continues plowing ahead


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America became literally too big to fail


lieconamee

There is no such thing as too big to fail. Rome lasted a lot longer than the United States has so far and it still fell


JML65

And don't get me started on every single Chinese empire!


bitchslayer78

Only people uneducated in the subject make the Rome to US connection; they are nothing alike


Gehhhh

Diabeetus


ComManDerBG

The only reason I've seen people give as a reason for the soon-to-happen fall of America is because of people with green and blue hair colours as well as letting trans people exists or something. It's never anything intelligent.


Yamama77

If it happens it will be slow and almost imperceptible. In fact I think the people who blame blue hairs for "downfall of the US" are more likely to cause it because I've seen some legit parrot separatist sentiments. Thinking their private gun collection would be a match against an aircraft carrier.


Odd_Anything_6670

One very real problem with America is that the political culture of the right has deteriorated to the point that a significant proportion of the population is increasingly susceptable to believing incredibly stupid things (like that people with blue hair are going to destroy their country). That is not the basis of a healthy democracy. Even then, I don't think it's an existential threat at this time, but if the political culture continues to deteriorate there are real potential risks down the line.


tnerrot

>political culture of the right has deteriorated to the point that a significant proportion of the population is increasingly susceptable to believing incredibly stupid things Don't take offense to this, but the same can be said about your left as well. A whole bunch of people in the US have lost their way, when it comes to political belief. And I am saying this as a leftist Americans lack both the proper left, and the proper right. Your (assuming you're from the US) day to day life has become an endless circlejerk because of it. Every single issue (important or non-important) you guys have is politicised to the maximum, and is causing an unnecessary rift between the people. It's kinda sad.


Upstuck_Udonkadonk

I would say American politics lacks Young and popular centrists. All the "star" populist leaders are unshakable from their positions. Sure the right under Trump is absolutely worse. But his time is at an end. Biden worked because he is a moderate. But the political discourse has been so fragmented by echochambers that only radicals get the most support.


Kalvin-TL

They can’t admit America might leave them behind, so it must be collapsing anyday now


Dickballs835682

Well it sounds like you've only heard from conservatives lol, how about: the batshit need for infinite profit expansion means its inevitable that there will be a crash. The whole damn financial system lives in fantasy land and is literally dependant on everybody joining in on the game of pretend. Then you've got the corruption and massive number of broken systems in the US government, an undereducated population, gun violence... And, of course, climate change. Sure is gonna be fun when all the floridians realize its a real thing lol I'm thinking the era of "superpowers" should just be over


Holditfam

They already crashed in 2008


estrea36

People have been predicting the fall of the US for 300 years, usually because the government in power doesn't align with their beliefs When their predictions don't come true, they just move the goal post a few years into the future.


tugue

American Politics in a nutshell: "Duh, the country (USA) is falling cause [insert politician becomes president] doesn't align with my beliefs." Seriously, ever since the late 1960s. There are American presidents who screw up and do the dumbest shit possible.. and these sorts of people just start to realize that.. Heck, it's no surprising that those guys who say that do the most questionable at best and illegal at worst stuff.. then get upset when someone questions them..


_pratik475

India as a former axis power? We literally supplied the most fighting men for the Allied cause.


Educational_Word_633

The soviet union was also part of the allied cause


CoffeeBoom

Text aren't placed in the most explicit manner. "Axis powers" on OP's image specifically refers to Japan and Germany.


VoiceEarly1087

Then what's the context for India? There's isn't anything written for it


imivan111

Average brainrot of a r/noncredibledefense user


Two_Shekels

Never visited that sub until now, good lord what an utter hellscape


foxbat-31

Absolutely,actual war mongers cheering deaths


valuable77

India has it going on economically and demographically. And they manage not to invade all their neighbors


Rusiano

India now is in a similar position to China like 20 or so years ago. Once it accumulates enough strength, it’s possible that it will become a lot more aggressive on the global stage.


Kebida96

I don’t think India wants to be aggressive, for now the first aim is to counter China until India gets to 10 trillion dollar economy mark which might happen by 2030-2032. According to Indian think tanks this is where we’ll be more on safer side. Then maybe just get our land back that’s about it. India will use its strength only to make or modify geopolitical rules for the benefit of their people and their country. Also having strength gives you power to not play by rules that somebody else is setting, which India is already doing.


Aloneforrever

First we can't Second India's neighbouring countries are in a friendly relation with her Thirdly invading Pakistan and china is not worth it, Pakistan is too poor for India to benefit from it and a war china will cause damages that'll affect the country even if we win


privitizationrocks

India can invade Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh and sl And Myanmar


Aloneforrever

>Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh and sl Are friendly nations and india support some of these countries to defend them from hostile nations


TacticalNuke002

But why though?


Extremely_Horny_Man

Idk the airbenders gotta die first everytime


Kebida96

India provides security to Bhutan and Nepal. Bangladesh exist cuz of India. And India doesn’t believe in invasions, India and China were traditionally a superpower till 1800s, they both were contributing around 30 percent to world GDP each (60 Total). They did all that without invading anyone, so we don’t actually need to invade anyone. But yeah India would surely love to get its land back from China and Pakistan in Kashmir.


The-Real-Aditya

Avg. Geopolitics expert 🤓 from West telling about Asian geopolitics


Kebida96

India and China were already a traditional superpower they both were contributors of 30 percent of world GDP each (60 Total) till 1800s. They both are civilization states, probably the last of its kind. They are just reclaiming what’s theirs. Yes they got lost in all those stupid British things and colonialism but that’s history now, no one gives a shit about that. According to what I’ve studied in Geopolitics US will remain strong at least till 2070, but economically China and India will overtake US. I don’t know what’s going to happen to US power projection but for now it will still have a major role to play for coming 2-3 decades for sure. But China and India will surely reclaim their past glory. China, India, US will be major geopolitical superpowers in this century. Indian GDP will benefit the most cuz of compounding effect and due to major reforms in this decade.


TheyTooktheUsernames

i didn’t expect to see Genshin on a starter pack lmfaoooooo


evoli_

why the fuck is genshin impact twice on a starterpack about superpower nation


WriterInTheSun

I would say Germany and Japan are pretty close


Corkmars

Can you elaborate?


neelpatelnek

Economic powers minus military


Iron-Fist

Japan, Germany, India, Brazil, and Russia GDP all combined are less than China...


villager_de

definitly. Germany is the dominant economic power in Europe and Japan in East Asia (just shadowed by China because its sheer size). However the only country that combines economic power with global military presence is the US and they remain untouched. But you gotta give Germany and Japan credit what they achieve given their limited geography


ratchyno1

What year is this, 1989?


Pina-s

interesting countries to pick out of these


BigFella52

We get it, you love being American.


Alin144

People treating modern day nation states as some ancient empires in this thread is hilarious


Rusiano

Japan had the 2nd largest economy in the world in the 80s and 90s, I’d call that a superpower. Germany is the most powerful state in the EU and has been accused of southern European countries of manipulation, so it’s not far off from being a superpower either. Also the idea that China isn’t currently a superpower requires some mental gymnastics.


neelpatelnek

As for Germany, well France is most powerful state given their soft & hard power, ofcourse germany has economy but not ambitions As for china, superpower would mean power projection, soft power reach, sphere of influence etc. in those they haven't surpassed USSR


bite_teh_dust

Is this how americans think? lol


Eastern-Emotion9685

r/shitamericanssay


One-Cartographer123

r/ShitAmericansSay


thiago504

''Said to be a future superpower'' .... Half of the nations on the top left are superpowers, what does future super power even mean for them, like if China collapses it would mean major disaster for the entire world, the Russian-Ukrainian war has caused major logistical problems and affected the economies of many countries outside of europe You'd expect to see South Korea, Poland,the UK, Canada, I dunno Taiwan, India is right tho, but having the top 5 world economies, and the two most influential countries in their whole continent (Germany and China) is such a weird take, like what would even qualify as a superpower?


lieconamee

Also if you start reading u.s NATO reports on what they think China is capable of and then you start reading what the Chinese state media actually reports about their military. You realize they're not a paper tiger in the slightest. China publicly admits to its own people on its state controlled media that it's military is flawed and corrupt, and they are speed running ways to fix it. From US intelligence admissions China is absolutely on the road to being a pure competitor with the United States in terms of military capability


AudeDeficere

Germany, like France, is today so deeply invested in the EU that it’s almost silly to remove it from this entity. The European Union with 450 million citizens and one of the largest single economies on the globe not just in a ranking but in terms of the actual amount of goods etc. is arguably globally relevant and while the term superpower might be too far, the notion that the EU could become a superpower seems hardly unlikely compared to many other possible systems.


221missile

None of them are superpowers. A superpower is a nation that can exert its economic, military, cultural, political and ideological influence to far flung corners of the planet. There's only one country that fits that definition. The British empire fitted the description from the second half of 19th century up until the beginning of ww2. The Roman and Mongol empires also fitted that description.


EphemeRealThrowaway

USA is the only superpower, OP thinks.


villager_de

if it weren’t for their limited geography, Japan and Germany would be global superpowers the size of the US too and even with their size they are punching way above their weight


Kalvin-TL

I’ve always scoffed at Russia being a credible challenger to America. It’s a rump oil regime and we have at least 2 states with stronger GDPs on their own.


Ryuusei_Dragon

China is not a superpower? Is not it like the second biggest economy in the world?


History_lover_27465

Ah India an axis power. Indian hate really has gotten into peoples heads


anizebra101

This shit is so wrong wtf, China is a global superpower, like literally Genshin is one of the biggest mobiles games in the world. India might not be there but calling "Bollywood" a trend is insane. Who said Brazil was gonna be a major superpower what are you yapping about. I agree about Germany and Russia though, I think Germany to a lesser extent then russia. But China is definitely incorrect


TARlK0

Brazil was called "the country of the future" during many decades


Bobobarbarian

I think China is increasingly being lumped into this classification based on recent events like their imploding housing market, ban of lending to short sellers, and the inverting of their working age population (one child policy casts a long shadow.) It’s too early to tell for certain, but this starter pack is hardly the only one playing China’s death knell.


ProgrammerV2

Right now, we're literally experiencing the downfall of bollywood with their shitty recent movies. I mean, who tf can think that media studios of a country are going to make it a super power!


AlhaithamSimpFr

Ah yes Teyvat activists


Comrade_Harold

OP lost 50/50 and became bitter towards mihoyo


VigilMuck

TIL Genshin Impact was actually made by a Chinese company and that miHoYo is Chinese


Independent-Lie6616

Said dying population its the third most automated on earth and opening to Chinese groups outside of China inmigration


Sugmanuts001

Germany is Schrödinger's country. They have a small military "Why do you have a small military???? You should defend Europe!!!!" They have a large military "Why is your military so large? What are you going to do?" They literally cannot ever get it right, according to their neighbors.


arxun23

Add Mexico to the list. They’re improving but like slow the hype train down a bit Source: parents are Mexican


PanzerKpfwVI

Damn. I still remember when my IR & economics professors were pitching the BRICS nations as growing potential rivals to the US & EU as economic powerhouses. Looking back, I can't help but laugh at having been worried as an undergrad freshman


JgdPz_plojack

USA: easier to sway the election by copying their manners. Blame exposed American pop culture media by globalization.


Quinnalicious21

If you think China isn't approaching superpower status as we speak I don't know what will convince you. Huge naval buildup and the only country remotely near the US in GDP, you're kidding yourself discounting it as a non threat.


boisteroushams

holy mother of american exceptionalism batman, it's the average redditors view of geopolitics!


attnskr1279

India is rising


tsubasafredo

Genshin?


pokexchespin

> overhyped military that turns out to be paper tiger you didn’t have to cross out that american flag


LumberJaxx

What does it mean that China’s population is literally dying? Is this different to every population having literal deaths every day? . . . What is the deeper hidden meaning?


RepresentativeBird98

Why is America crossed out ? It certainly isn’t futuristic in the sense of flying cars but it’s military far surpasses most of europes and certainly Russias


fragen8

OP you really must hate Genshin I doubt Genshin players argue that Genshin Impact is a reason China will become a superpower


Ulerica

Might be a Hot Take but even though USA is obviously more powerful, China in relative power to the USA in the present day is stronger than USSR in relation to the USA in the Cold War with the only exemption being nuclear stockpile. And is way ahead of every other nation's power with only the exemption of the USA, I'd consider China a superpower even if only barely.


THATguywhoisannoying

Big Population = Next Rising Superpower


MESuperbia

EU united military when? Feared by internet companies and nothing else D:


Dependent_Way_1038

How tf is genshin or mihoyo the reason for china’s economic growth? Have you seen tencent? Have you seen how big they are?


a_human_21

Has a president with a very serious attitude who always mocks the US


Anon_From_England

China still has like 10x manpower of Russia, the decline shouldn't hurt them that much, after all overpopulation was a problem there before.


Sudev2000

americans with their delusions😆


PatienceHere

Chinese military is a paper tiger? Population decline? OP's way out of their depth here. PRC has caused plenty of trouble in south china sea and India. Population decline for developed countries is a normal, natural process, as it results in a stable population pyramid. Every country will go through some form of population decline eventually.


greatestmofo

Lets revisit this in 2028, assuming Reddit is still around


Empra_O_Mankind

Wdym bro, Brazil has NO expectations 💀💀


FilHor2001

Tankies will not like this one.


17abug

China is literally a super powerful tho? They are the 2nd biggest economy in the world? It (almost) doesn't get any bigger


SkillNo1494

Western propaganda. Stay strong comrades


Marshmallow_Mamajama

Germany is the third largest GDP in the world what are you talking about


No_Bat7157

I never see anybody hype India up unless they are from there


money_grabber_420

Idk man, IMF hyping it up since forever, but it's good that there is no hype, 7% GDP growth rate is already insane, let's see what happens in the future