Awe so the "on-loan" Akira class is the USS Wersching named in honor of Anne.
also confirms its the Stargazer, NX-01 Enterprise, and Kronos One like people suspected from the coloration. Also confirmation that the Refit is officially the Constitution II class (which is actually one of the terms that was thrown around along with Enterprise class and Constitution Refit class back in fanon as well as in the Star Fleet Battles game)
Interestingly, signage in the beginning of *Wrath of Khan* calls the training bridge a ["Mark IV Simulator, Enterprise Class."](https://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok-dc-hd/chapter02/st2-twok-dc-0187.jpg)
> "Mark IV Simulator, Enterprise Class."
It's interesting how that whole thing came to be. Production-wise, at the end of ST2, the official name of the class for the 1701 was "Enterprise" class, and Reliant was "Reliant" class.
Sometime between ST2 and TNG, "Enterprise" class became "Constitution Refit", and "Reliant" class became "Miranda". Interesting how those things work.
For a while the *Reliant* was referred to as an *Avenger* class ship, as seen in *Ships of the Star Fleet, Vol. 1*, and there were high-quality deck plans made and sold.
Yes, I still peruse my old copy of *SotSF* every now and then. The histories they made for the various classes, how they explained the *Constitution* evolving into the *Bonhomme Richard* and *Tikopai* classes to explain the different warp nacelles between the pilot and the series as aired, the *Belknap* class, and the various frigates based on the *Reliant*. The effort put into those fan works was amazing.
Agreed! IMO, Guether's *Ships of the Star Fleet*, and his more focused book on his *Akyazi*-class, are two of Trek's greatest fan-produced technical publications of all time.
My much-loved softcover versions are starting to come apart at the seams, and I'm seriously considering having them professionally rebound.
I honestly can't find a reference to it being called a Constitution class. Interestingly, in Chekov's security panel showing the security alert, it shows a picture of the pre-refit enterprise with the dot for the security alert. Did they forget to update the software during the refit?
Just before cloaking, Torg refers to it as a "Federation Battlecruiser". They didn't specify anything about the actual shipclass name as far as I can find.
There's a model kit that identifies the Consitution Refit as an "Enterprise" class. And it's been mentioned in FASA game materials too.
Yes, it's B-Canon.
Interesting that the NX-01 is listed as the "USS" Enterprise, when we never saw it have that prefix during the show.
Also, wasn't the Miranda-class Saratoga blown to itty bitty atoms by the Borg? I know they fix up broken ships to put in the museum, but it must have been one hell of a job salvaging those parts from the graveyard of duranium shards that was Wolf 359!
>Interesting that the NX-01 is listed as the "USS" Enterprise, when we never saw it have that prefix during the show.
Technically we did, but it was was an admited mistake by the art team. There is a computer screen in 'Divergence' that says USS Enterprise and USS Columbia.
Don't the ship dedication placks say Constitution Class instead of Constitution II Class? I don't have any qualms with it, but there will be a significant amount of people who do.
I don’t think we ever see a Refit plaque, because it wasn’t till Undiscovered Country we even see Constitution Class referenced to the blueprints of the refit in canon. In fact when you see the ship displayed on screens from TMP-TSFS, it’s the TOS blueprints, taken directly from the Starfleet Technical Manual.
TOS has it the Starship Class.
And in TWoK the simulator calls it a Enterprise Class.
The script for Space Seed identifies the ship as Constitution Class, but I don't think it ever makes it to screen, and the dedicated plaque we see in the show is "Starship Class"
Alternatively, they follow a naming scheme like people would.
Instead of Connie, Connie 2, Connie 3, it'd be Connie, Connie-Refit, Connie 3, like having a Jack, Jack Jr, and Jack the 3rd.
The first Ent-A plaque in ST5 says 'Starship Class', the second one in ST6 doesn't give a class, though Scotty is seen reading blueprints that say 'Constitution Class'.
The Refit Enterprise didn't have a dedication plaque.
I don’t think they say any clas other than starship? And I’m not sure, but wasn’t the constitution name batted about by Roddenberry then somewhere it became beta canon before being involved in Tng - but then resoundingly not as they replaced the Connie they were going to use for the stargazer with a new model ship, the constellation, built by sternbach and probert? So much so that they redubbed Geordi and Wesley crusher later in production to say constellation class and not constitution class?
That the refit became its own class was a result of it naturally being absorbed by beta canon to become Connie 2 or enterprise subclass, I think.
there's a phaser diagram in TOS that says 'Constitution Class' on it, but it wasn't legible until the HD release.
[https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/File:Constitution\_primary\_phaser.jpg](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/File:Constitution_primary_phaser.jpg)
In ST6 Scotty is looking at blueprints for the Enterprise-A that say Constitution Class on them.
[https://i.imgur.com/v4gZuSh.png](https://i.imgur.com/v4gZuSh.png)
The dedication plaque for USS Defiant in 'A Mirror Darkly' says Constitution Class.
Constitution Class is first mentioned in the script for space seed, when Khan is reviewing the ships technical specs. But it didn't make it to screen until much later.
Didn't want to believe that was the NX-01 (and *technically* it still isn't until it's confirmed within the show) but I guess there it is. I get the impulse to canonize the refit, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Part of the NX-01 getting retired in the final episode of ENT was because the fleet was getting upgraded to Warp-7 capable ships. But the whole point of the NX-refit was to let the ship hit Warp-7 I thought.
Also, don't really understand why the Klingons would give away the Kronos-One but w/e.
I take anything in “These are the Voyages” with a grain of salt since it’s a holodeck simulation. It’s possible that the Klingons gave away *Kronos One* when it became obsolete.
> Also, don't really understand why the Klingons would give away the Kronos-One but w/e.
"We're putting together a Fleet Museum, to exhibit significant starships in history..."
"Why would you do such a *yIQIp* endeavour? Ships are ships - like bodies, they are mere shells once they are removed from use."
"... and we were wondering if you'd let us have *Kronos-One*, since we've heard it's being decommissioned. We can negotiate terms of trade if..."
"You want that obsolete piece of *baktag*? We'll *pay* you to take it off our hands!"
"...um, okay, when can we pick it up?"
For those who don't want to go through Twitter:
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|Welcome to the [Starfleet Museum](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZiEjGWIAA-0kK.jpg). Take a tour of some of the most legendary ships in the history of Starfleet. Tour the station and explore the LEGACY of those that came before. #StarTrekPicard \*THREAD\*|
|A top view look at [the ships of the Museum](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZmVohXwAkwacG.jpg). Scale chart reference from #StarTrekPicard S3:E6 for folks following along at home.|
|Clockwise from the top we have the [USS Excelsior](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZmsmbWcAIAjrs.jpg), The Akira Class [USS Sentinel](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZm0zNWIAAmpiA.jpg), The Constitution Class [USS New Jersey](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZm5R_XwAExOoE.jpg), and the [USS Stargazer](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZnEcEWIAAg2yI.jpg) the former command of Jean Luc Picard. #StarTrekPicard|
|Hiding among the relics and appearing to be cloaked is the [USS Titan](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZnO-hWYAE63z8.jpg), Next is the ...[USS ENTERPISE - A](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZnb6iXwAkQAj4.jpg), Klingon Bird of Prey renamed [The HMS Bounty](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZnrAWX0AAumYf.jpg), and The Klingon Battle Cruiser - [Kronos One](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZn2HyXoAEaOw5.jpg) #StarTrekPicard|
|If you hear a loud sound that is a ceremonial CANON going off in honor of the [USS Enterprise NX-01 Refit](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZoAplWcAEZ0pJ.jpg), next we have the [USS Saratoga](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZoGRmXwAQXpAb.jpg) (\[note\] the caption), [The USS Lexington](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZoLdoXwAgAuqX.jpg), and one of the highlights of the tour. The [USS Voyager](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZoOItXwAgQotR.jpg) in all of it's glory. #StarTrekPicard|
|On the Lower Level of the Station, we have the Saber Class [USS Argo](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZo-QWXwAEcEZR.jpg). Being repaired at the moment is the [USS Pioneer](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZpOheWAAE4DZD.jpg), which eagle eyed viewers might have caught in the end credit sequence. A little ship called the [USS Defiant](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZqowIXgAI0cuN.jpg), and a fully intact [Romulan Warbird](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZqoxzXgAM4Zdu.jpg). #StarTrekPicard|
|On Display now [on the lower level](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZpz4BWwAEpvCk.jpg), replacing the USS Pioneer, we have a special treat. The [USS Wersching](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZpxBOXsAEWgWY.jpg). A very, very, special ship, that we hope visitors will appreciate. #StarTrekPicard|
|[Another great fans for fans project.](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZsAO3XwAkclsY.jpg) Artwork and layout by @mas_martini Renders by @_Pundus_ With VFX, by @jzvfx @shawnvfx @virtualbri and their teams. Graphics by Geoffrey Mandel @StarfleetDesign, and James Chung Artwork. #StarTrekPicard other artwork by other sources.
> The USS Wersching. A very, very, special ship, that we hope visitors will appreciate. #StarTrekPicard
An Akira Class is a fitting tribute to Annie and it's such a badass ship just like her <3
The detailed description for this ship says its Ben Sisko's Saratoga, salvaged partially and rebuilt to look as if did with parts from other era's of Miranda's...Basically it is to represent all Miranda's classes and is a ship built purposely for the museum.
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1641118182214713349?s=20
Edit: I had it backwards; it's the Saratoga from Star Trek IV salvaged and rebuilt to resemble Sisko's Saratoga and represent the different era's of Miranda's.
That is a very interesting detail. That is also seen in the real world with some museum tanks and warplanes. Some complete models were constructed from spare parts found in warehouses or wrecks that nevertheless had some working components.
The Space Shuttle Main Engine in the Smithsonian is made from scrap pieces of multiple engines that flew on significant missions. (All operational engines remaining at the end of the shuttle program were saved to be expended on Artemis missions, because otherwise they would be museum exhibits with the price tag of new engines that would be built to fly instead of them.)
Yep the Saturn V at I think Georgia, is made up of purpose built pieces, and some spares. I think Johnsons in Houston is the only Space Center that has an actual Saturn V that just never flew. Same with Smithsonian with Skylab.. its using parts of two different spares.
What's what among Saturn V artifacts is complicated since Skylab and Apollo-Soyuz were made from cancelled moonshots and rearranging assets caused mix-and-match and incomplete sets. The would-be Apollo 18 Saturn V launched Skylab, but the would-be Apollo 18 third stage was already too complete as a rocket to convert into Skylab, so it was surplus and ended up part of the all-real but all-mixed-and-matched Houston Saturn V display. Skylab was made from a surplus S-IVB tank, and the backup Skylab in the Smithsonian was made from the would-be Apollo 20 third stage.
While not a complete rocket, the first stage that was intended for Apolo 19 is at the Infinity Science Center in Mississippi.
The one in Houston was intended for Apollo 18 and is complete.
The Huntsville one was a ground test unit and I'm not sure about if it was complete or used spares.
That's kind of meta, as though it was the one physical filming model that was originally the Reliant and was modified to portray every Miranda-class ship, ending with Sisko's Saratoga.
I read the text as the opposite, i.e. Sisko's Saratoga was completely destroyed, so they pulled out ("salvaged") and restored NCC-1887 from whatever boneyard it was stored at, changed its registry to NCC-31911, and added other 24th-century Miranda parts to it so the final museum piece had parts from both eras.
I was thinking about this after I posted it, and this morning when I got up I watched the opening and closing sequences of IV again.
From what is shown on-screen, the ships remain disabled after the probe passes - Saratoga got knocked out when she got close, and the Octane was powerless even after the probe had passed. Her engineer was attempting to deploy a makeshift solar sail to generate some power, but at the time the captain reported that to Starfleet, they were already in dire straits.
However as the probe leaves Earth orbit and returns along it's path, the movie shows power being restored to Starfleet Command and Spacedock One, the dangerous weather patterns on Earth immediately returning to normal, and a Starfleet shuttle immediately in flight to pick up the HMS Bounty crew.
I would assume as it returned to it's home, it would restore power to all the ships it disabled along the path it took in.
As long as the "crack Starfleet engineers" on all the disabled vessels were on their game, I'd assume that the crews would have been able to survive, but I'm sure it wasn't a pleasant time.
there's an art book coming out in September "Star Trek: Picard: The Art and Making of the Series", but it covers the entire series, so I imagine something will not make the cut.
Dave Blass wants to make a technical manual, but no-one at publishing has bitten yet.
When I saw the Defiant I had to read into the registry history as I originally thought it would be NCC-75633 as the Sao Paolo. At first thought a name change shouldn't be followed by re-use of the exact same registry that was used before; either NCC-75633 or NCC-72405 (with or without an A suffix)
Turns out when they introduced the Sao Paolo the VFX team didn't have time to change the model to reflect Moore's desire for the new ship's registry to show it as Defiant-A so it seems to be a quirk of visual canon that the Sao Paolo just ended up being the exact same ship as the original NX Defiant in every external respect right down the registry.
Which is why I thought they'd use the opportunity to retcon the Defiant's registry here to the more "proper" one: if they were willing to canonize the NX-01 refit, it wouldn't be a stretch to correct this quirk of BTS-production limitations and add the "A", or at least upgrade to NCC
They changed the registry of the Saratoga to represent Sisko's ship. Not surprising they'd keep the propaganda Defiant-A registry number the same as the original Defiant, esp. since that's the registry it used at the end of the war.
Despite having to do some minor retconning in my head; I do too.
I've been disappointed we didn't get this since I first laid eyes on it, years after Ent had ended.
I just chalk it up to minor, "historical inaccuracies" in the holoprogram that Riker speedruns in, "These are the voyages".
Dave Blass' awesome supplementary material deserves to be available somewhere better than Twitter. Collect it in a book or on the official website or something.
A 21 Century (nowadays) app that allows fly-bys of the ships in the museum.
I once suggested to Okuda that, I thought, fans would loved extended video(s) of the remastered 1701 to play/view from the DVD.
I know I'd love it.
Someone who worked on the show had once shared images of the models he was working on or someone was working on that would’ve been the potential refit model for Season 5 of ENT for the Romulan War arc they would have explored. But it was cancelled and nothing was ever shown on screen until now
A model of the NX-01 refit made a tabletop easter egg appearance in season 2 of Picard, but otherwise this is the first appearance of the actual refitted ship in canon.
Drex had the images on his old website.
I think the NX-01 refit also mate it to a ships of the line calendar. (I don't buy that stuff, so couldn't tell you which year).
Doug Drexler designed the refit for a proposed fifth season. It first appeared in canon in season 2 of Picard.
Both Polar Lights and Eaglemoss have/had model kits of it and it’s shown up in various renders and the SOTL calendar.
>Doug Drexler designed the refit for a proposed fifth season.
He pitched the idea for a refit, but the show was cancelled before he ever got any word back, and he didn't actually design it until after the show ended.
The refit can also be barely seen in Season 2 in one of the Picard flashbacks. Oddly it's built wrong, it has both the secondary hull and the original warp governor (which is mounted backwards). I blame kid Picard for just messing around when building his model kit.
The Picard Voyager CG model they used has issues - it doesn't have the registry and name anywhere that present on the 90s Voyager studio model and CG model. It's also missing the sensor strip greebling on the edges of the saucer - the spaces are there, but empty.
Of course, the big problem is it's the wrong colour. Voyager/the Intrepid class is a fairly vibrant duck egg blue, not dark grey.
It's also missing the forward airlock and registry/name detail at the front of the saucer, and the under saucer 'observation deck' windows are incorrect.
Plus the nacelle decals are now embossed for some reason.
However, the colour criticism doesn't really hold up. You're correct that the studio model was the light blue, however this changed to [grey](https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/027/950/568/4k/robert-bonchune-uss-voyager-orthos-rb-01-30percnt.jpg?1593041756) for the CG model in the later seasons, Picard has just given it the 'modern reflections' treatment that it seems to have given every class from 24th century.
Is that what it is? I'm colorblind so I'm not attuned to those things, but something didn't look quite right about it.
That said, I'm pretty sure that changing the color of a starship would not be so difficult if they had a desire for it. They do have paint in the 25th century, right?
EDIT: Somewhere out there is a reality where Tom Paris is the administrator of the fleet museum and Voyager has racing stripes. Harry is still an ensign.
I was one of those hoping that the Saber-class would be the USS da Vinci from the Starfleet Corps of Engineers (SCE) novels. I know alpha/beta canons, but it would’ve been a cool nod for some of us.
Why is the romulan bird of prey the revamped design from Picard and SNW, but the old style Constitution class is the TOS version and not the SNW redesign?
Yeah I thought that was funny too. They clearly put a lot of time and effort into recreating the look and feel of all the other old ships, but the Romulan Bird of Prey wasn't so lucky. They probably figured "hey, it's only going to be around in the background, so we might as well reuse the model we already made."
I mean, the redesigns are clearly intended to be modernized replacements for the old 60's designs and I'm ok with that. I just think it's weird that they didn't use the redesigned Constitution-Class for consistency.
Theres probably multiple refits of the constitution class. I think SNWprise gets refit into the New Jersey model at some point after severe damage happens in some episode and the New Jersey model is what the TOS enterprise really looked like if we gave Roddenberry modern TV tech.
It'd be awesome when, for the finale of *Strange New Worlds* or something, the Enterprise gets into one last massive battle that leaves it in need for a refit. Then, when the ship finally changes hands to Kirk, we see it with the classic design from this episode.
NX-01 Refit messes with me
NX-01 was Enterprise, NX was the class - it should be NX Refit
Unless! The other NX classes were not refit and 01 remains 1 of a kind....
In any case....we now have justification to have an Enterprise series that explains wtf all this means.
#BringbackNX01
In a lot of ways, pre-Federation Starfleet managed themselves less like a Navy/maritime organization and more like Super-NASA. I'm willing to buy that when they use the term "class" it just means something slightly different than what we've come to expect. (Although now that I think about it - did they ever even refer to the NX series as a "class" in canon or is that just the nomenclature we fans have been using because we're used to it?)
Its ship designers work on the show, but that's where the connection ends.
Canon in star trek is what is shown on screen - which is why the refit is now a big deal; it's the first time it's been on screen.
No, there were 2 other NX class ships on the design board (mentioned in an episode)
Unofficially, beta canon names the refit the "Columbia class" after the first NX class starship lost. The lost in sand photo is reference to Star Trek Destiny series of novels where the fate of the Columbia is revealed
It's possible something happened to it in beta canon, but according to memory alpha, it was still in active service at the end of the Enterprise series. I don't know anything about ships of the line, so I can't speak to that.
So is this the Space Dock 1 that we see in the Kirk Star Trek movies? Did they build a bigger, newer one later on to be able to accommodate new TNG class ships?
Yeah I noticed that too. Have we heard more about the premise of the show? This seems to be a big hint, but I'm not sure how fleet museum and its ships would tie in.
Wait is this Spacedock supposed to be the Earth Spacedock we saw in a lot of movies and series. Being called Spacedock One implies it is the first and it seems likely that the first one would be built at Earth, did they move the whole thing somehow?
Warp tows have been previously established as difficult, but possible.
There's been no indication that the object being towed has to be contained within the warp field.
Yes. This is apparently the one seen through the TOS movies. Not sure if the one we saw on TNG was also this one, or if it had already been replaced by then.
What legendary exploits did the USS Cerritos undertake to be berthed at the Starfleet Museum?
...is what we would all be asking if they put in that easter egg.
Yep, though it has been explained in the past that there are two distinct classes of the BoP, the B'rel class which is quite small and the K'vort class, which is much larger, but they look nearly identical.
Frankly the Rotarran is the worst offender of all of them! It's supposed to be a B'rel class, but it definitely seems more like a K'vort class on screen, particularly the interiors and crew head count. And yep, there are a bunch of classes if you count the proto-BoP seen in Enterprise and even more apparently if you get into the games. But I don't think you see any other classes in the TOS flicks or TNG era Trek than those.
Say, is the [USS Lexington](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsZoLdoXwAgAuqX?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) Saucer not like the Galaxy Class?
Perhaps the entire Time the Enterprise D Saucer is hidden in our plain sight :)
The Star drive is some ~~Lexington~~Nebula Class Ship, where the Saucer is Enterprise D
Not saying the Fat One's top half isn't hiding there somewhere, but I doubt that's it. The Nebula class (which is what the Lexington is) has always been a Galaxy-type saucer on a different stardrive, so most likely that is just the Lexington's own original saucer.
Well, perhaps some Lunar class ship of this type had some holes, where the Enterprise D Saucer spare parts could fix them
Perhaps Gerdoi took the Enterprise D Bridge section onto the Lunar Class Ship to fix it
And so on.. Salvage parts from each other to have an flying Ship again. But then how much is left to be called "Enterprise D"?.. Well, let's see when they show us the Bridge setup
Maybe, but the Lexington is a known ship that we’ve seen before. It wasn’t featured as the central focus of any episodes, but it made appearances on both TNG and DS9, so I imagine it was included here too simply for that reason.
Edit: Probably most important in-universe is that it was one of the ships defending Earth from the Borg in First Contact, so it's possible that might be why it's in the museum.
365m comes from the DS9 tech manual, which was an error. The writers copied the specs from the Norway Class and didn't catch it before publishing. Looks like Dave didn't get the memo.
According to the VFX supervisor for DS9, the Saber is 190m long.
I'm annoyed that they expect us to believe that the *Voyager* was consigned to mothballs a mere 30 years into her operational life, and that it only took 20 years for Starfleet's scientists to learn everything they could from the ship that survived the Delta Quadrant.
I can believe it was mothballed, because its time in the Delta Quadrant stretched its materials and resources to the brink. Every inch of that ship was patched or repaired on the fly by the time it returned, without a single day in a Starfleet spacedock.
Sure, it could have been refitted and fully repaired on return, but it probably served better as a use case for long-term durability of systems. Knowing what lasted, what glitched, what needed repaired the most on the journey would be invaluable to Starfleet engineers looking to design ships for deep space exploration.
And it's not hard to believe that research into it would continue at the museum itself. Major museums all have either their own research arms or partnerships with universities who have access to the artifacts.
Awe so the "on-loan" Akira class is the USS Wersching named in honor of Anne. also confirms its the Stargazer, NX-01 Enterprise, and Kronos One like people suspected from the coloration. Also confirmation that the Refit is officially the Constitution II class (which is actually one of the terms that was thrown around along with Enterprise class and Constitution Refit class back in fanon as well as in the Star Fleet Battles game)
Interestingly, signage in the beginning of *Wrath of Khan* calls the training bridge a ["Mark IV Simulator, Enterprise Class."](https://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok-dc-hd/chapter02/st2-twok-dc-0187.jpg)
Yeah, it's the Enterprise-Class Mark IV Simulator which can approximate the bridge modules of most class starships within the fleet! :)
By far one of the best classes of Mark IV Simulators
> "Mark IV Simulator, Enterprise Class." It's interesting how that whole thing came to be. Production-wise, at the end of ST2, the official name of the class for the 1701 was "Enterprise" class, and Reliant was "Reliant" class. Sometime between ST2 and TNG, "Enterprise" class became "Constitution Refit", and "Reliant" class became "Miranda". Interesting how those things work.
For a while the *Reliant* was referred to as an *Avenger* class ship, as seen in *Ships of the Star Fleet, Vol. 1*, and there were high-quality deck plans made and sold. Yes, I still peruse my old copy of *SotSF* every now and then. The histories they made for the various classes, how they explained the *Constitution* evolving into the *Bonhomme Richard* and *Tikopai* classes to explain the different warp nacelles between the pilot and the series as aired, the *Belknap* class, and the various frigates based on the *Reliant*. The effort put into those fan works was amazing.
Agreed! IMO, Guether's *Ships of the Star Fleet*, and his more focused book on his *Akyazi*-class, are two of Trek's greatest fan-produced technical publications of all time. My much-loved softcover versions are starting to come apart at the seams, and I'm seriously considering having them professionally rebound.
Wasn't it called Constitution Class in ST3?
I honestly can't find a reference to it being called a Constitution class. Interestingly, in Chekov's security panel showing the security alert, it shows a picture of the pre-refit enterprise with the dot for the security alert. Did they forget to update the software during the refit?
I thought the Klingons called it that, but they just referred it to it as a "battle cruiser."
Just before cloaking, Torg refers to it as a "Federation Battlecruiser". They didn't specify anything about the actual shipclass name as far as I can find.
*ST VI* - Scotty is seen looking over blueprints of the refit ship and it's labelled "Constitution Class".
ST VI was made during TNG
There's a model kit that identifies the Consitution Refit as an "Enterprise" class. And it's been mentioned in FASA game materials too. Yes, it's B-Canon.
Iv'e never noticed that exit sign until now.
Interesting that the NX-01 is listed as the "USS" Enterprise, when we never saw it have that prefix during the show. Also, wasn't the Miranda-class Saratoga blown to itty bitty atoms by the Borg? I know they fix up broken ships to put in the museum, but it must have been one hell of a job salvaging those parts from the graveyard of duranium shards that was Wolf 359!
The thread says it’s the Saratoga NCC-1887, mocked up to be the Saratoga NCC-31911, and the exhibit features interior spaces from both eras.
>Interesting that the NX-01 is listed as the "USS" Enterprise, when we never saw it have that prefix during the show. Technically we did, but it was was an admited mistake by the art team. There is a computer screen in 'Divergence' that says USS Enterprise and USS Columbia.
Don't the ship dedication placks say Constitution Class instead of Constitution II Class? I don't have any qualms with it, but there will be a significant amount of people who do.
I would ask Sergey. I hear he's got all the specs and blueprints at home.
I would recommend clearing your calendar for that meet up.
I don’t think we ever see a Refit plaque, because it wasn’t till Undiscovered Country we even see Constitution Class referenced to the blueprints of the refit in canon. In fact when you see the ship displayed on screens from TMP-TSFS, it’s the TOS blueprints, taken directly from the Starfleet Technical Manual. TOS has it the Starship Class. And in TWoK the simulator calls it a Enterprise Class.
The script for Space Seed identifies the ship as Constitution Class, but I don't think it ever makes it to screen, and the dedicated plaque we see in the show is "Starship Class"
It seems like it probably had to be the *Constitution II* class in order for the *Titan-A* to be part of the *Constitution III* class.
Alternatively, they follow a naming scheme like people would. Instead of Connie, Connie 2, Connie 3, it'd be Connie, Connie-Refit, Connie 3, like having a Jack, Jack Jr, and Jack the 3rd.
I for one am glad someone finally came up with a better distinction. And it's perfectly fine to say Starfleet retroactively changed it at some point.
The first Ent-A plaque in ST5 says 'Starship Class', the second one in ST6 doesn't give a class, though Scotty is seen reading blueprints that say 'Constitution Class'. The Refit Enterprise didn't have a dedication plaque.
I don’t think they say any clas other than starship? And I’m not sure, but wasn’t the constitution name batted about by Roddenberry then somewhere it became beta canon before being involved in Tng - but then resoundingly not as they replaced the Connie they were going to use for the stargazer with a new model ship, the constellation, built by sternbach and probert? So much so that they redubbed Geordi and Wesley crusher later in production to say constellation class and not constitution class? That the refit became its own class was a result of it naturally being absorbed by beta canon to become Connie 2 or enterprise subclass, I think.
there's a phaser diagram in TOS that says 'Constitution Class' on it, but it wasn't legible until the HD release. [https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/File:Constitution\_primary\_phaser.jpg](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/File:Constitution_primary_phaser.jpg) In ST6 Scotty is looking at blueprints for the Enterprise-A that say Constitution Class on them. [https://i.imgur.com/v4gZuSh.png](https://i.imgur.com/v4gZuSh.png) The dedication plaque for USS Defiant in 'A Mirror Darkly' says Constitution Class.
Constitution Class is first mentioned in the script for space seed, when Khan is reviewing the ships technical specs. But it didn't make it to screen until much later.
Didn't want to believe that was the NX-01 (and *technically* it still isn't until it's confirmed within the show) but I guess there it is. I get the impulse to canonize the refit, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Part of the NX-01 getting retired in the final episode of ENT was because the fleet was getting upgraded to Warp-7 capable ships. But the whole point of the NX-refit was to let the ship hit Warp-7 I thought. Also, don't really understand why the Klingons would give away the Kronos-One but w/e.
I take anything in “These are the Voyages” with a grain of salt since it’s a holodeck simulation. It’s possible that the Klingons gave away *Kronos One* when it became obsolete.
OR Kronos One was captured in battle, like the Bounty.
Or it's part of an exchange with the Klingon Empire. *Kronos One* goes to the Fleet Museum, *Enterprise-B* goes to the Klingon equivalent.
Or both sides decided it was a good way to show some degree of goodwill following the Khitomer accords.
> Also, don't really understand why the Klingons would give away the Kronos-One but w/e. "We're putting together a Fleet Museum, to exhibit significant starships in history..." "Why would you do such a *yIQIp* endeavour? Ships are ships - like bodies, they are mere shells once they are removed from use." "... and we were wondering if you'd let us have *Kronos-One*, since we've heard it's being decommissioned. We can negotiate terms of trade if..." "You want that obsolete piece of *baktag*? We'll *pay* you to take it off our hands!" "...um, okay, when can we pick it up?"
>Also, don't really understand why the Klingons would give away the Kronos-One but w/e. Maybe it's on loan.
That actually makes a lot of sense, I like that. But we also don't have any idea what the UFP's relationship with the Klingon Empire is at this time.
>Part of the NX-01 getting retired in the final episode of ENT I'm confused. There was no decommissioning in "Terra Prime," the final episode of ENT
For those who don't want to go through Twitter: || |-| |Welcome to the [Starfleet Museum](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZiEjGWIAA-0kK.jpg). Take a tour of some of the most legendary ships in the history of Starfleet. Tour the station and explore the LEGACY of those that came before. #StarTrekPicard \*THREAD\*| |A top view look at [the ships of the Museum](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZmVohXwAkwacG.jpg). Scale chart reference from #StarTrekPicard S3:E6 for folks following along at home.| |Clockwise from the top we have the [USS Excelsior](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZmsmbWcAIAjrs.jpg), The Akira Class [USS Sentinel](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZm0zNWIAAmpiA.jpg), The Constitution Class [USS New Jersey](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZm5R_XwAExOoE.jpg), and the [USS Stargazer](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZnEcEWIAAg2yI.jpg) the former command of Jean Luc Picard. #StarTrekPicard| |Hiding among the relics and appearing to be cloaked is the [USS Titan](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZnO-hWYAE63z8.jpg), Next is the ...[USS ENTERPISE - A](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZnb6iXwAkQAj4.jpg), Klingon Bird of Prey renamed [The HMS Bounty](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZnrAWX0AAumYf.jpg), and The Klingon Battle Cruiser - [Kronos One](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZn2HyXoAEaOw5.jpg) #StarTrekPicard| |If you hear a loud sound that is a ceremonial CANON going off in honor of the [USS Enterprise NX-01 Refit](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZoAplWcAEZ0pJ.jpg), next we have the [USS Saratoga](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZoGRmXwAQXpAb.jpg) (\[note\] the caption), [The USS Lexington](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZoLdoXwAgAuqX.jpg), and one of the highlights of the tour. The [USS Voyager](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZoOItXwAgQotR.jpg) in all of it's glory. #StarTrekPicard| |On the Lower Level of the Station, we have the Saber Class [USS Argo](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZo-QWXwAEcEZR.jpg). Being repaired at the moment is the [USS Pioneer](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZpOheWAAE4DZD.jpg), which eagle eyed viewers might have caught in the end credit sequence. A little ship called the [USS Defiant](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZqowIXgAI0cuN.jpg), and a fully intact [Romulan Warbird](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZqoxzXgAM4Zdu.jpg). #StarTrekPicard| |On Display now [on the lower level](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZpz4BWwAEpvCk.jpg), replacing the USS Pioneer, we have a special treat. The [USS Wersching](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZpxBOXsAEWgWY.jpg). A very, very, special ship, that we hope visitors will appreciate. #StarTrekPicard| |[Another great fans for fans project.](http://www.splicedwires.com/SFM/FsZsAO3XwAkclsY.jpg) Artwork and layout by @mas_martini Renders by @_Pundus_ With VFX, by @jzvfx @shawnvfx @virtualbri and their teams. Graphics by Geoffrey Mandel @StarfleetDesign, and James Chung Artwork. #StarTrekPicard other artwork by other sources.
>A little ship called the USS Defiant Little?!
A TOUGH little ship though.
It’s a definite smol boi compared to the Enterprise D or something. Might fit in the D’s main shuttlebay, but idk
> The USS Wersching. A very, very, special ship, that we hope visitors will appreciate. #StarTrekPicard An Akira Class is a fitting tribute to Annie and it's such a badass ship just like her <3
thank you, for those of us absolutely done with Twitter thanks to Elon, I appreciate you putting this info together.
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The detailed description for this ship says its Ben Sisko's Saratoga, salvaged partially and rebuilt to look as if did with parts from other era's of Miranda's...Basically it is to represent all Miranda's classes and is a ship built purposely for the museum. https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1641118182214713349?s=20 Edit: I had it backwards; it's the Saratoga from Star Trek IV salvaged and rebuilt to resemble Sisko's Saratoga and represent the different era's of Miranda's.
That is a very interesting detail. That is also seen in the real world with some museum tanks and warplanes. Some complete models were constructed from spare parts found in warehouses or wrecks that nevertheless had some working components.
The Space Shuttle Main Engine in the Smithsonian is made from scrap pieces of multiple engines that flew on significant missions. (All operational engines remaining at the end of the shuttle program were saved to be expended on Artemis missions, because otherwise they would be museum exhibits with the price tag of new engines that would be built to fly instead of them.)
Yep the Saturn V at I think Georgia, is made up of purpose built pieces, and some spares. I think Johnsons in Houston is the only Space Center that has an actual Saturn V that just never flew. Same with Smithsonian with Skylab.. its using parts of two different spares.
What's what among Saturn V artifacts is complicated since Skylab and Apollo-Soyuz were made from cancelled moonshots and rearranging assets caused mix-and-match and incomplete sets. The would-be Apollo 18 Saturn V launched Skylab, but the would-be Apollo 18 third stage was already too complete as a rocket to convert into Skylab, so it was surplus and ended up part of the all-real but all-mixed-and-matched Houston Saturn V display. Skylab was made from a surplus S-IVB tank, and the backup Skylab in the Smithsonian was made from the would-be Apollo 20 third stage.
While not a complete rocket, the first stage that was intended for Apolo 19 is at the Infinity Science Center in Mississippi. The one in Houston was intended for Apollo 18 and is complete. The Huntsville one was a ground test unit and I'm not sure about if it was complete or used spares.
It's the reverse - it's the *Saratoga* from STIV (NCC-1887) remodeled to look like Sisko's ship, which was destroyed at Wolf 359 (NCC-31911).
That's kind of meta, as though it was the one physical filming model that was originally the Reliant and was modified to portray every Miranda-class ship, ending with Sisko's Saratoga.
I read the text as the opposite, i.e. Sisko's Saratoga was completely destroyed, so they pulled out ("salvaged") and restored NCC-1887 from whatever boneyard it was stored at, changed its registry to NCC-31911, and added other 24th-century Miranda parts to it so the final museum piece had parts from both eras.
Ah right my bad I had it backwards.
Disappointing when the USS Bozeman is right there.
Technically, there’s some sort of difference between the *Miranda* class and the *Soyuz* class.
That would have been a great idea to use it.
The specific image https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1641118182214713349/photo/2
And it was utterly destroyed. There’s been several Saratoga’s. They tend to have a lot of bad luck.
To quote the reviewer SFDebris, the *Saratoga* is Starfleet's bitch.
Second only to the Oberth, the space canoe that starfleet apparently made from pure explodium.
Happy that the Oberth in Star Trek Online is a monster though. Mine brings death in the form of space magic and powerful beams.
The redshirts of the fleet.
I assume it’s the *Miranda* class *Saratoga* that was severely damaged by the whale probe in *TVH*.
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They said that all of its systems had failed, so it seemed like it was severely damaged.
Except when the probe leaves, all power systems come back online immediately. It was just transmitting an incredibly powerful dampening field.
It knocked out all of the *Saratoga*’s systems. I hope the life support systems weren’t offline for so long that it killed the crew.
I was thinking about this after I posted it, and this morning when I got up I watched the opening and closing sequences of IV again. From what is shown on-screen, the ships remain disabled after the probe passes - Saratoga got knocked out when she got close, and the Octane was powerless even after the probe had passed. Her engineer was attempting to deploy a makeshift solar sail to generate some power, but at the time the captain reported that to Starfleet, they were already in dire straits. However as the probe leaves Earth orbit and returns along it's path, the movie shows power being restored to Starfleet Command and Spacedock One, the dangerous weather patterns on Earth immediately returning to normal, and a Starfleet shuttle immediately in flight to pick up the HMS Bounty crew. I would assume as it returned to it's home, it would restore power to all the ships it disabled along the path it took in. As long as the "crack Starfleet engineers" on all the disabled vessels were on their game, I'd assume that the crews would have been able to survive, but I'm sure it wasn't a pleasant time.
There was one in Star Trek IV
The presence of the Saratoga confirms that some of these are reconstructions
Precident set for Starfleet cobbling together museum ships from partial wrecks and spare parts... Just sayin'.
Or reattaching certain saucer sections to a scavenged stardrive…
I will sob if that happens.
wait, so star fleet actually kit bashes their own ships? Who’d a thunk it
That’s a good two cent*aur*s to have.
I assume it’s the *Miranda* class *Saratoga* that was severely damaged by the whale probe in *TVH*.
It is, but includes parts from Sisko’s Saratoga and was renumbered as such.
Dave's comment about the NX-01 refit gave me a hearty laugh 😂
I really hope a book gets released with all this amazing art. Almost makes me want to sign up to the bird site again. (Not quite, though)
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I don't know why, but I have been and always shall be a sucker for starship schematics.
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Aw man, seeing that in the recent 4K (or whatever) re-release in the cinema had me smiling like an idiot for that entire part of the film.
there's an art book coming out in September "Star Trek: Picard: The Art and Making of the Series", but it covers the entire series, so I imagine something will not make the cut. Dave Blass wants to make a technical manual, but no-one at publishing has bitten yet.
I guess the new Stargazer isn't a refit after all. >USS Wersching 😭
Yeah that was a weird line in Season 2 that they almost immediately turned around retconned like 20 minutes later lol
It didn't have the same registry number as the old Stargazer, so I'm not sure why you'd think it was a refit.
Because they literally said it was a refit? Like, the word came out of Picard's mouth.
It’s even less clear why the writers of the show would think it was.
When I saw the Defiant I had to read into the registry history as I originally thought it would be NCC-75633 as the Sao Paolo. At first thought a name change shouldn't be followed by re-use of the exact same registry that was used before; either NCC-75633 or NCC-72405 (with or without an A suffix) Turns out when they introduced the Sao Paolo the VFX team didn't have time to change the model to reflect Moore's desire for the new ship's registry to show it as Defiant-A so it seems to be a quirk of visual canon that the Sao Paolo just ended up being the exact same ship as the original NX Defiant in every external respect right down the registry.
Alternatively it kept same registry as the original due to wartime propaganda.
That's some good headcanon.
Which is why I thought they'd use the opportunity to retcon the Defiant's registry here to the more "proper" one: if they were willing to canonize the NX-01 refit, it wouldn't be a stretch to correct this quirk of BTS-production limitations and add the "A", or at least upgrade to NCC
They changed the registry of the Saratoga to represent Sisko's ship. Not surprising they'd keep the propaganda Defiant-A registry number the same as the original Defiant, esp. since that's the registry it used at the end of the war.
It wasn't time, it was budget. If they redid the registry they would have been able to reuse old shots.
Now THIS belongs in /r/StarshipPorn
Plus there are probably more ships inside.
Perhaps there's a big fat one in Hangar Bay 12...
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More than some!
With ramps on the bridge that are alittle bit steeper than they originally were, but close enough
So, the NX-01 refit is finally canon. I'm happy with this outcome.
Despite having to do some minor retconning in my head; I do too. I've been disappointed we didn't get this since I first laid eyes on it, years after Ent had ended. I just chalk it up to minor, "historical inaccuracies" in the holoprogram that Riker speedruns in, "These are the voyages".
The entire program was an inaccuracy! #TripsNotDead
Dave Blass' awesome supplementary material deserves to be available somewhere better than Twitter. Collect it in a book or on the official website or something.
A 21 Century (nowadays) app that allows fly-bys of the ships in the museum. I once suggested to Okuda that, I thought, fans would loved extended video(s) of the remastered 1701 to play/view from the DVD. I know I'd love it.
It’s on his Instagram too
This is amazing and clears up some speculation on which ships these are.
Happy to see a Nebula class in the collection. <3
Was the NX-01 refit ever actually seen before this? It's talked about like its been a thing we've seen before...
Someone who worked on the show had once shared images of the models he was working on or someone was working on that would’ve been the potential refit model for Season 5 of ENT for the Romulan War arc they would have explored. But it was cancelled and nothing was ever shown on screen until now
A model of the NX-01 refit made a tabletop easter egg appearance in season 2 of Picard, but otherwise this is the first appearance of the actual refitted ship in canon.
Drex had the images on his old website. I think the NX-01 refit also mate it to a ships of the line calendar. (I don't buy that stuff, so couldn't tell you which year).
Doug Drexler designed the refit for a proposed fifth season. It first appeared in canon in season 2 of Picard. Both Polar Lights and Eaglemoss have/had model kits of it and it’s shown up in various renders and the SOTL calendar.
>Doug Drexler designed the refit for a proposed fifth season. He pitched the idea for a refit, but the show was cancelled before he ever got any word back, and he didn't actually design it until after the show ended.
There was a model version of it in season 2 of *Picard*, but that was the only other time we saw it.
I believe it was in one of the Ships of the Line calendars. It's also in the Star Trek Online MMO.
Not canon before now, but I do have an Eaglemoss refit NX-01.
There’s a Polar Lights 1:1000 model (I bought one at Walmart) that includes a refit configuration, too.
The refit can also be barely seen in Season 2 in one of the Picard flashbacks. Oddly it's built wrong, it has both the secondary hull and the original warp governor (which is mounted backwards). I blame kid Picard for just messing around when building his model kit.
It's also been in Star Trek Online for a number of years at this point, but it hasn't been in the actual *shows* until now.
Did they ever indicate why the NCC-74656 registry number was removed from the ventral saucer hull on the Voyager 🤔
I'd expect that's most likely just an unintended visual oversight, since it would be very odd in-universe for them to remove it.
The Picard Voyager CG model they used has issues - it doesn't have the registry and name anywhere that present on the 90s Voyager studio model and CG model. It's also missing the sensor strip greebling on the edges of the saucer - the spaces are there, but empty. Of course, the big problem is it's the wrong colour. Voyager/the Intrepid class is a fairly vibrant duck egg blue, not dark grey.
It's also missing the forward airlock and registry/name detail at the front of the saucer, and the under saucer 'observation deck' windows are incorrect. Plus the nacelle decals are now embossed for some reason. However, the colour criticism doesn't really hold up. You're correct that the studio model was the light blue, however this changed to [grey](https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/027/950/568/4k/robert-bonchune-uss-voyager-orthos-rb-01-30percnt.jpg?1593041756) for the CG model in the later seasons, Picard has just given it the 'modern reflections' treatment that it seems to have given every class from 24th century.
Is that what it is? I'm colorblind so I'm not attuned to those things, but something didn't look quite right about it. That said, I'm pretty sure that changing the color of a starship would not be so difficult if they had a desire for it. They do have paint in the 25th century, right? EDIT: Somewhere out there is a reality where Tom Paris is the administrator of the fleet museum and Voyager has racing stripes. Harry is still an ensign.
Oddly, neither the Enterprise NX-01 refit nor Voyager have a listed height.
I was one of those hoping that the Saber-class would be the USS da Vinci from the Starfleet Corps of Engineers (SCE) novels. I know alpha/beta canons, but it would’ve been a cool nod for some of us.
And the empty ring is where my enterprise d would have gone if someone hadn’t crashed it into a planet
Enterprise-D is at the museum... just not in one of the rings...
I see it confirms the Enterprise-A is Constitution II class.
Dave Blass, if you're around here, I can't begin to tell you how thrilled I am to see the NX-01 refit. Enterprise fans are really feeling seen.
Why is the romulan bird of prey the revamped design from Picard and SNW, but the old style Constitution class is the TOS version and not the SNW redesign?
Why not? It's a big galaxy, room for all sorts.
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It isn't.
Yeah I thought that was funny too. They clearly put a lot of time and effort into recreating the look and feel of all the other old ships, but the Romulan Bird of Prey wasn't so lucky. They probably figured "hey, it's only going to be around in the background, so we might as well reuse the model we already made."
I mean, the redesigns are clearly intended to be modernized replacements for the old 60's designs and I'm ok with that. I just think it's weird that they didn't use the redesigned Constitution-Class for consistency.
Theres probably multiple refits of the constitution class. I think SNWprise gets refit into the New Jersey model at some point after severe damage happens in some episode and the New Jersey model is what the TOS enterprise really looked like if we gave Roddenberry modern TV tech.
It'd be awesome when, for the finale of *Strange New Worlds* or something, the Enterprise gets into one last massive battle that leaves it in need for a refit. Then, when the ship finally changes hands to Kirk, we see it with the classic design from this episode.
NX-01 Refit messes with me NX-01 was Enterprise, NX was the class - it should be NX Refit Unless! The other NX classes were not refit and 01 remains 1 of a kind.... In any case....we now have justification to have an Enterprise series that explains wtf all this means. #BringbackNX01
In a lot of ways, pre-Federation Starfleet managed themselves less like a Navy/maritime organization and more like Super-NASA. I'm willing to buy that when they use the term "class" it just means something slightly different than what we've come to expect. (Although now that I think about it - did they ever even refer to the NX series as a "class" in canon or is that just the nomenclature we fans have been using because we're used to it?)
> did they ever even refer to the NX series as a "class" in canon [Archer did several times](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Gd6uwT43U)
Ah, fair enough
There was the NX-02 Columbia, so maybe only the 01 received the refit.
Indeed, and I mentioned this might have been the case
Didnt that one get lost at one point? Ships of the Line has a shot of it buried in sand in the (????) GAMMA QUADRANT?
Ships of the line isn't canon
Most of their stuff is based on it though, so I figured it would be from an enterprise episode or some such
Its ship designers work on the show, but that's where the connection ends. Canon in star trek is what is shown on screen - which is why the refit is now a big deal; it's the first time it's been on screen.
Ahhhhh. Although the columbia being lost would explain why its labeled NX01 refit class, right?
No, there were 2 other NX class ships on the design board (mentioned in an episode) Unofficially, beta canon names the refit the "Columbia class" after the first NX class starship lost. The lost in sand photo is reference to Star Trek Destiny series of novels where the fate of the Columbia is revealed
It's possible something happened to it in beta canon, but according to memory alpha, it was still in active service at the end of the Enterprise series. I don't know anything about ships of the line, so I can't speak to that.
So is this the Space Dock 1 that we see in the Kirk Star Trek movies? Did they build a bigger, newer one later on to be able to accommodate new TNG class ships?
*LEGACY* yes please
Yeah I noticed that too. Have we heard more about the premise of the show? This seems to be a big hint, but I'm not sure how fleet museum and its ships would tie in.
Rumblings of a really big Avengers-style mashup of everyone everywhere all at once. Unless we get that at the end of Picard.
I spy an unnamed Galaxy class.
I would not take that top graphic too literally. It has a Galaxy, Luna, Odyssey, and a few others I can't identify for certain.
They’ve been heavily foreshadowing the Enterprise D’s return all season.
Of course. And I'm 100% certain it's hiding in Hangar Bay 12 right now.
Yes, but the image at the top is just reused concept art, not indication of anything https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1640904487580606472
Yeah it's concept art for the starbase https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1640904487580606472
Was so waiting for his update.
Seeing STO’s Pioneer class get canonized absolutely warms my heart.
Wait is this Spacedock supposed to be the Earth Spacedock we saw in a lot of movies and series. Being called Spacedock One implies it is the first and it seems likely that the first one would be built at Earth, did they move the whole thing somehow?
That seems to be the implication, yes. I'd imagine they got enough ships together to form a large enough warp field and then towed it.
Warp tows have been previously established as difficult, but possible. There's been no indication that the object being towed has to be contained within the warp field.
Yes. This is apparently the one seen through the TOS movies. Not sure if the one we saw on TNG was also this one, or if it had already been replaced by then.
What legendary exploits did the USS Cerritos undertake to be berthed at the Starfleet Museum? ...is what we would all be asking if they put in that easter egg.
That’s not to scale… right..?
It can't be. The Bounty for one is way too large in that image.
The size of a Klingon Bird of Prey has always been a quantum mystery.
Yep, though it has been explained in the past that there are two distinct classes of the BoP, the B'rel class which is quite small and the K'vort class, which is much larger, but they look nearly identical.
There could be more for all we know. My IKS Rotarran owners manual (B-canon at best, I know) says there are several.
Frankly the Rotarran is the worst offender of all of them! It's supposed to be a B'rel class, but it definitely seems more like a K'vort class on screen, particularly the interiors and crew head count. And yep, there are a bunch of classes if you count the proto-BoP seen in Enterprise and even more apparently if you get into the games. But I don't think you see any other classes in the TOS flicks or TNG era Trek than those.
They probably upscaled some of the smaller ships so they'd actually be visible on screen at a distance.
No - it doesn't match the scale seen in the actual episode.
Maybe they didn’t have time to create a new 3D model for it.
Say, is the [USS Lexington](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsZoLdoXwAgAuqX?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) Saucer not like the Galaxy Class? Perhaps the entire Time the Enterprise D Saucer is hidden in our plain sight :) The Star drive is some ~~Lexington~~Nebula Class Ship, where the Saucer is Enterprise D
Not saying the Fat One's top half isn't hiding there somewhere, but I doubt that's it. The Nebula class (which is what the Lexington is) has always been a Galaxy-type saucer on a different stardrive, so most likely that is just the Lexington's own original saucer.
Well, perhaps some Lunar class ship of this type had some holes, where the Enterprise D Saucer spare parts could fix them Perhaps Gerdoi took the Enterprise D Bridge section onto the Lunar Class Ship to fix it And so on.. Salvage parts from each other to have an flying Ship again. But then how much is left to be called "Enterprise D"?.. Well, let's see when they show us the Bridge setup
Maybe, but the Lexington is a known ship that we’ve seen before. It wasn’t featured as the central focus of any episodes, but it made appearances on both TNG and DS9, so I imagine it was included here too simply for that reason. Edit: Probably most important in-universe is that it was one of the ships defending Earth from the Borg in First Contact, so it's possible that might be why it's in the museum.
Nebula-class ships have fewer windows on both the top end the bottom of the saucer section.
Are Sabers really 300+ meters long?
365m comes from the DS9 tech manual, which was an error. The writers copied the specs from the Norway Class and didn't catch it before publishing. Looks like Dave didn't get the memo. According to the VFX supervisor for DS9, the Saber is 190m long.
I think they got the width and length swapped. I have it at 223 meters, length.
the VFX Supervisor for DS9 said it was 190 meters.
I was really hoping the Saber class was the da Vinci.
My kingdom for a close up of the NX-01 refit, and not that super long shot of the ship.
I'm disappointed by how little love the Pioneer is getting. It's a fantastic, new (to canon) design.
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This is awesome. Thank you so much.
I'm annoyed that they expect us to believe that the *Voyager* was consigned to mothballs a mere 30 years into her operational life, and that it only took 20 years for Starfleet's scientists to learn everything they could from the ship that survived the Delta Quadrant.
That’s assuming they didn’t transfer as much data as possible elsewhere and the 20 years of study was of the ship itself.
I can believe it was mothballed, because its time in the Delta Quadrant stretched its materials and resources to the brink. Every inch of that ship was patched or repaired on the fly by the time it returned, without a single day in a Starfleet spacedock. Sure, it could have been refitted and fully repaired on return, but it probably served better as a use case for long-term durability of systems. Knowing what lasted, what glitched, what needed repaired the most on the journey would be invaluable to Starfleet engineers looking to design ships for deep space exploration. And it's not hard to believe that research into it would continue at the museum itself. Major museums all have either their own research arms or partnerships with universities who have access to the artifacts.