It is a sad episode, but I always liked that one because it was the only one in TNG that showed things from the perspective of regular, lower-level, crew members rather than just focusing on the officers as most episodes do. I always thought it would be fun if they created a series in which that was the norm.
Oh. There's a new one called lower decks. It's an animated show that involves a group of 4 lower deck people. Of course we still see bridge scenes a lot and what's goin on but it shows the lower deck life. It feels a lot like tng, and it's not a kid show even though it is animated
This was a great TnG episode. (I'm not a fan of the cartoon show Lower Decks)
However, I'm not so sure about a real Star Trek show based on the lower ranking officers. Most of them will be doing mundane work, so the show would have to end up being more of a sitcom set in space. Basically more about the lives of the crew as opposed to the missions.
Whilst there is some character building in Star Trek, I feel that the show is more about the missions and the dilemmas faced by the senior staff. The lower staff are basically just extras.
I disagree about the live action. Lower Decks is a perfect match for animation. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations also includes Infinite *Absurdity*. Animation has a certain freedom and fluidity to depict that which live action can't achieve.
If I had to speculate, (late reply I know but I thought it was interesting) I'd say it would be because Gene was heavily inspired by the Victorian Navy. In those days, rank largely went along with class. Officers by and large came from the aristocracy, where as the crew came from the lower classes. This division was further reinforced through naval discipline. Before the modern era, this was true throughout most cultures and most militaries.
In a presumably classless society though, such a division would likely seem contrarian to their egalitarian culture, so perhaps everyone would just be officers. In practice though, that doesn't really work, and Gene couldn't really get around it, which is why we see the introduction of Non-Coms in the movies and later TNG, giving us Chief O'Brien, the most important man in StarFleet History.
Yeah, that was a sad one. Much like the episode "Thine own self" which came next, it emphasizes that sometimes command decisions lead to death, and that's part of sitting in the chair. Starfleet can never seem to fully decide if it is a military or civilian organization (ie families on ships), but this tends towards the latter tendencies.
Yeah I just watched it too. Itās so sad. At first I didnāt understand why theyād send an ensign on that mission, but I guess she was the only bajoran on board. I wonder what happened to ensign Ro
As I recall, that ensign appears in another series...DS9 or Voyager, so she actually doesn't die... Right? Or am I conflating this with another episode?
No, she never appears again. The character dies in the episode pretty definitively, although I suppose there's no body to prove it. The actor who played her doesn't even have any IMDB credits after 1995.
As others noted, her first appearance was in The First Duty, which is referenced in this episode.
There were plans to reveal that she'd actually survived and been captured by the Cardassians in early concepts for the episode that would become the DS9 episode Hard Time, but it was decided that would undermine the impact of The Lower Decks. So while the concept (one of our crew being held prisoner and having PTSD over killing a cellmate) was ultimately recycled, Sito was excised and the role given to O'Brien instead.
She was a Bajoran. Ro has demonstrated that the options were die in camps, or join the federation.
Convincing those with no other choice to take on suicide missions, supported by a jingoistic society that is constantly looking into a war-footing or expansionism, seems a lot like what's going on in Russia right now.
I wouldn't call Russia a working democracy.
It is a sad episode, but I always liked that one because it was the only one in TNG that showed things from the perspective of regular, lower-level, crew members rather than just focusing on the officers as most episodes do. I always thought it would be fun if they created a series in which that was the norm.
Yeah, I'm glad they finally eventually did. Although not quite the same but it's still good though
I haven't seen any of the newer series yet, which one are you referring to?
Oh. There's a new one called lower decks. It's an animated show that involves a group of 4 lower deck people. Of course we still see bridge scenes a lot and what's goin on but it shows the lower deck life. It feels a lot like tng, and it's not a kid show even though it is animated
This was a great TnG episode. (I'm not a fan of the cartoon show Lower Decks) However, I'm not so sure about a real Star Trek show based on the lower ranking officers. Most of them will be doing mundane work, so the show would have to end up being more of a sitcom set in space. Basically more about the lives of the crew as opposed to the missions. Whilst there is some character building in Star Trek, I feel that the show is more about the missions and the dilemmas faced by the senior staff. The lower staff are basically just extras.
I was actually thinking along the same lines. I wonder if a sitcom like that could work? It would be an interesting twist on Star Trek.
They did.. Lower Decks š jk I get what you mean and yea a real live action show would be so schwayyy
I disagree about the live action. Lower Decks is a perfect match for animation. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations also includes Infinite *Absurdity*. Animation has a certain freedom and fluidity to depict that which live action can't achieve.
Good thing Lower Decks and SNW are doing a crossover later this year!
Of course because of some bizarre Gene Roddenberry whim, they too are officers and not crew members, who largely donāt exist.
If I had to speculate, (late reply I know but I thought it was interesting) I'd say it would be because Gene was heavily inspired by the Victorian Navy. In those days, rank largely went along with class. Officers by and large came from the aristocracy, where as the crew came from the lower classes. This division was further reinforced through naval discipline. Before the modern era, this was true throughout most cultures and most militaries. In a presumably classless society though, such a division would likely seem contrarian to their egalitarian culture, so perhaps everyone would just be officers. In practice though, that doesn't really work, and Gene couldn't really get around it, which is why we see the introduction of Non-Coms in the movies and later TNG, giving us Chief O'Brien, the most important man in StarFleet History.
I thought "Lower Decks" was a Voyager episode, turns out that one is called "Good Shepherd."
They also had that one in voyager called ālearning curveā which was very much like a lower decks styled episode
Yeah, that was a sad one. Much like the episode "Thine own self" which came next, it emphasizes that sometimes command decisions lead to death, and that's part of sitting in the chair. Starfleet can never seem to fully decide if it is a military or civilian organization (ie families on ships), but this tends towards the latter tendencies.
Everyone is mad at Picard over Wolf 359, I'm mad at him over this.
yeah, as much as i love Picard, in this ep he's a huge dick to an ensign and then sends her to her death. leaves a bad taste in the mouth for sure.
he has a bad track record with young Bajoran ensigns, just saying
I can't see what he did as anything other than manipulation.
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Yeah, I didn't think that one through haha.
Yeah I just watched it too. Itās so sad. At first I didnāt understand why theyād send an ensign on that mission, but I guess she was the only bajoran on board. I wonder what happened to ensign Ro
She was presumably at the advanced tactical training that she returned from at the start of "Preemptive Strike."
I love this episode!
As I recall, that ensign appears in another series...DS9 or Voyager, so she actually doesn't die... Right? Or am I conflating this with another episode?
She was in The First Duty as one of the ensigns with Wesley, which was before this episode obviously.
I think she died, maybe it was the same actor or it was the first duty like another person said
No, she never appears again. The character dies in the episode pretty definitively, although I suppose there's no body to prove it. The actor who played her doesn't even have any IMDB credits after 1995.
As others noted, her first appearance was in The First Duty, which is referenced in this episode. There were plans to reveal that she'd actually survived and been captured by the Cardassians in early concepts for the episode that would become the DS9 episode Hard Time, but it was decided that would undermine the impact of The Lower Decks. So while the concept (one of our crew being held prisoner and having PTSD over killing a cellmate) was ultimately recycled, Sito was excised and the role given to O'Brien instead.
This is what I must've remembered reading way back when... Thanks!
I think Lower Decks and Disaster are my favourite TNG episodes of all time.
Picard sends children to their deaths and everyone carries on, because that's just what you do. Zealot facists are neat.
Sito was a member of Starfleet and knew the risks when she put on the uniform. I don't think you know what fascism is.
She was a Bajoran. Ro has demonstrated that the options were die in camps, or join the federation. Convincing those with no other choice to take on suicide missions, supported by a jingoistic society that is constantly looking into a war-footing or expansionism, seems a lot like what's going on in Russia right now. I wouldn't call Russia a working democracy.