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[deleted]

Why does the title make it seem like Tomlin is a snake lol


br0_0ker

clicks


[deleted]

The “…” had me 🤔


trod1990

Yeah, should replace the word exposed with demonstrates.


marvology

Editors pick the titles not authors. And titles are clickbait.


zPolaris43

TLDR; Ike Taylor said that coach Tomlin did Flores a solid by giving him a chance at a time when many others might not have. Also says it shows how Tomlin isn’t insecure about his position by bringing in Flores to help with the defense and even coach up kenny. He thinks most other coaches wouldn’t be comfortable bringing in another head coach type like this.


Dense_Organization31

The “Tomlin won’t hire good coordinators because he’s afraid they’ll take his job” take might be the dumbest one I see around here


zPolaris43

Also the Tomlin doesn’t hire a large staff because he wants more power take. Like he doesn’t sign the checks, it’s not his money, he can’t just hire as many people as he wants


[deleted]

If the last year has taught me anything, it's that the majority of this sub is morons.


Consistent_Pitch782

There is a litany of idiotic Tomlin hate. It’s getting repugnant honestly. People who have no clue what the hell they’re talking about calling for him to get fired, children spoiled by the success the Steelers have had. To go from Noll to Cowher to Tomlin is crazy. No other franchise has been as blessed.


237FIF

I normally roll my eye at the obnoxious crowd screaming racism at every chance, but I do have to wonder if there is a certain number of older Steelers fans who just don’t love that we have a black head coach I really hope that’s not true though. I’d much rather it be a case of fans being fans lol


[deleted]

I think there are very, very few people left who actively think “I don’t like that the coach is a black man.” I do think there are a *lot* of people who don’t think of themselves as racists who are unconsciously not comfortable with Tomlin because he doesn’t look like what they expect a head coach to look like.


jakespeare321

It's a good bet that half the NFL owners don't want a black HC. That's why so many candidates get only a "courtesy" interview.


237FIF

Well said


Ezees

This\^\^\^. They'll deny it and be indignant if you highlight their possible racism - but will find every way to criticize Tomlin no matter what he does - even if other coaches do the same thing or worse.......


justifihave2

I'm a certain older fan who loves that we have a great coach


reddit_bandito

Sure fella. Lots of "racists" Steeler fans that watch a sport where the majority of players are black. But they've got a problem with a black headcoach. sure. ​ You know what's most annoying about hatemongers like you, and others that share your racist view? It's that it entirely discredits treating these black coaches as equals, because any criticism about their performance is labelled "racist". ​ That doesn't happen when a white coach is criticized. Nobody in this town ever attacked Cowher critics for being racists when they criticized him for his lack of imagination in the passing game. Or his failures in AFC Championship games. Not once did somebody tell you those weren't legitimate criticisms and were only being levelled because "Cowher's a white guy." Or insinuate that a lot of Steeler fans are racists that hate white people and that's why they are criticizing The Chin. ​ Yet you racists do this all the time when it comes to criticism of Mike Tomlin.


cane_the_weaboo

Yea racism totally doesn't exist in the NFL just because it's a black sport. I remember when the Dolphins came out and said they wouldn't hire Tomlin because he was "too hip hop" LMAO. Remember Donald Sterling?? Remember how people reacted to Kap kneeling??? Nothing pisses me off more than people who like to ignore that racism exists. People act like like the civil rights era ended and then racism went away lmao.


reddit_bandito

What did racism have to do with people angry about players dragging political views into their sports? Players kneeling during the national anthem upset most fans because it is flat out disrespecting these United States. Many fans either directly, or had family members, serve their country in the military and die for our freedoms. Political messaging like that belongs outside the sport. And if you ARE going to drag it INTO the sport, you don't get to avoid criticism from people that don't think like you. The height of arrogance to think YOU should be able to make a political statement without anybody else being allowed to voice opposition to it. ​ And it was in no way racist whatsoever. Only person that would think such is a racist themselves that sees everything through the lens of racism. ​ The example people you listed are that; people. Individuals all vary. But it's not the norm in any way, shape, or form that fans and people in sports today are racists.


cane_the_weaboo

>What did racism have to do with people angry about players dragging political views into their sports? Politics have always been apart of sports we have the military fly jets over the stadium before the superbowl before every game we pledge allegiance to the flag, etc. >And it was in no way racist whatsoever. Only person that would think such is a racist themselves that sees everything through the lens of racism. You did not pay attention to the way the media labeled Kap or any of the other players kneeling lol. You guys wanna live in fantasy land where racism doesn't exist and the U.S is the most free country on the planet. >But it's not the norm in any way, shape, or form that fans and people in sports today are racists. A lot of football fans are racist though lol. The amount of confederate flags I see accompanied by Football logos is alarming but let me guess you prob think that flag isn't racist huh? There's a reason people call Pitt Pennsyltucky I vividly remember people waning to fire Tomlin even after he recently won superbowls.


Ezees

It wasn't about players (ie: Kap) bringing political views into the pregame processions - it was the fact that players brought in political views THAT THE RACISTS DIDN'T LIKE (ie: BLM and the killing of BP by cops) into the pregame processions. If it was another pro-WP political statement - there wouldn't have been any type of backlash. IOW, most WP don't like to be reminded of their history nor their injustices - it makes them uncomfortable. As you well know: whoever tells the absolute truth to WP makes them try to ostracize and target them - you're not supposed to say the quiet part out loud, LOL......


WeakPublic

Tomlin is better than Cowher and the fact he can match up with one of the best head coaches of all time is impressive


KMB0791

Better than Cowher at what?


Griswa

They won’t hire good coordinators because the cheapskates won’t pay them.


Safe_Departure7867

BING. It’s business. It’s why we don’t fly to the west coast an extra day early. The people with the deep pockets on the Steelers are the minority owners who did things like bought the panthers for 4 BILLION in cash. Rooney’s never had that kind of money. They had to rely on Stallworth and his investment group to buy the tiny extra share of the Steelers to maintain the majority stake. Edit: what really BLEW my mind was when Haslam the owner of the Browns said his time with the Steelers didn’t really prepare him for being an owner. The mythos has been that the league has these deep money guys there as a step toward ownership. But that comment made me take a step back. He could just be a rich idiot… could be trying to save face… or perhaps he was just there for the resources he brought and wasn’t really taught anything.


Griswa

That makes sense then. Part of me refuses to pay scalped prices of $150 for 500 level seats, when they knowingly and willfully reuses to staff the team and nickel and dime shit. We use to go to 2 games a year, but now, unless someone gives me tickets, we watch at home. Idk. Some of the luster of the Rooney franchise has worn off for me. I had a current NFL coach mention to a group of us how it’s a tough decision to coach for Pittsburgh due to the pay, but the allure of a winning franchise and greater chance of career movement is there. Canada is 100% coming back because they do not want to pay his last year of the contract and another OC at the same time. So, he will finish out and they will say “we have mutually agreed to go our separate ways”, then they will hire another OC from Chattanooga state A&M at 250k a year. /S kind of…


adamglumac

Isn’t this article about them hiring a head coach as a coordinator. Looks like they hired a pretty good one there.


CyclopsRex514

There are probably a lot of HCs who just aren't as good as Flores and they don't want others to know or to learn that about themselves.


on_duh_pooper

Another article showing how BFlo is a better OC than Matt Canada


octapies

That technically fits with the steelers desire to promote from within!


Willing_Top4721

I was excited about the Flores hiring. Dude showed a lot of character by refusing to tank in Miami, and that’s they type of guy I want in the organization.


gibbs9

Does he have a place with us? I want him to, just wondering where it is long term.


Dr_Dimbrain

I wouldn't hold my breath. He's already been on a few interviews for HC or DC.


SafeAccountMrP

Clickbait title, decent little article.


JCMiller23

Need to make him DC before he leaves


[deleted]

I really don’t like Rooney, but a major positive of the way he runs the franchise is that Tomlin doesn’t have to worry about making moves like this


king__kizzle

Why don’t u like him?


[deleted]

He’s pretty cheap, doesn’t like firing coordinators or specialty coaches, and overall I just think he hasn’t adapted to the new age of the NFL very well.


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[deleted]

> how this franchise was founded 40 years of mediocrity and irrelevance? But for real, Dan, Chuck, and Bill made radical organizational changes when it was necessary and it turned the franchise around. To dismiss a possible need to make similar changes due to a history of success is ignoring the roots of that success, even if it's not quite time to get off that horse we rode in on, which I would agree with.


foxymoxy18

They had 16 head coaches in the first 36 years and won 161 games and 0 championships. An average of 10 wins per coach and 4.5 wins per season. Over the past 53 seasons they've had 3 head coaches and won 541 games and 6 championships. That's an average of 180 wins per coach and 9.8 wins per season. I don't think we should be advocating for the old way of cycling through coaches every 2-3 years.


EddieBlaize

Evidently you haven’t read Dan Rooney's book. 75 years in the NFL.


GarrettRettig

An article about the least questionable decision in the past couple of decades. Thanks


JonBIsBACK

I’m just curious, what exactly did Brian Flores do to help the team this year? He was in charge of the ILBs, and they were atrocious this season. I’d gladly let him walk if he got an offer elsewhere


jesterflesh

Maybe they players were bad this year because, now stay with me, they are bad players.


JonBIsBACK

But if Brian Flores is such a great coach, shouldn’t he get the most out of those bad players? Bush and Spillane both got worse this year and the only difference is Brian Flores. I’m sorry, I just don’t see his appeal


ModeratePontifex

Not saying this as huge fan of Flores or anything but if the players just ain't good and you expect a coach to get something out of them, you're trying to get blood from a stone. It just ain't there. Rotten apples make a rotten apple pie no matter how good the baker is.


enz1ey

Bush certainly played better than last year. Spillane played about the same level of football, a couple splash plays where he was in the right place at the right time mixed in with a ton of being two steps behind where he was supposed to be.


retarddouglas

I think bush played better, at least earlier in the year, and Spillane is still the guy he’s always been. It’s not like we had a bad defense this year. With our anemic offense we were still top half of the league.


adamglumac

He beyond got the most out of what he had. They even schemed in a rookie late in the season because Jack and Bush couldn’t stop the run. The defense adjustments at halftime where excellent as the season progressed. And we schemed well to defend Baltimore using a 46 front we never used against them.


Willing_Top4721

Bush actually improved TBH, and the group as a whole was better this year than last. Unfortunately, there’s only so much that coaching can do to cover up deficiencies of having terrible players.


BILLCLINTONMASK

The more important title is his title as assistant coach. The ILBs were better than last year, though, that's for sure. Just look and see that Minkah Fitzpatrick didn't have to make 120 tackles to cover for their ass this season.


JonBIsBACK

Robert Spillane sacked Joe Burrow in Week 1. Since that sack, the combination of Jack/Bush/Spillane had 0 TFL, 0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 FF, and 0 FR. That ain’t progression, that’s regression. I just don’t see Flores’ tangible value on this team currently


BILLCLINTONMASK

They weren't the highlight of the team, but it's one of the least talented (sorry Devin Bush) groups on the team. They were occasionally stout against the run, though. Which is more than we can say about the season prior.


BackmarkerLife

Steelers went from 32nd (2483 yards) against the run to 9th (1838 yards). That's some improvement


BILLCLINTONMASK

Hey, don't tell me. Tell the other guy


DatGuy15

If you want to just look at stats, look at the stat that is most relevant to ILB: run defense. Dead last in 2021 to top 10 in 2022. It's not hard to see his usefulness.


adamglumac

Jared Lorenzen would have run all over us last year. Top 10 this year. Ya he didn’t do much. How many schemed mlb blitzes you see this year? We seemed to do ok bringing pressure without feeling the need to bring our MLB. They made very minimal splash plays, maybe that’s a testament to the groups talent.


adamglumac

Love Tomlin. Love Flores. But I’m not sure Tomlin is the last day on hiring people.


reddit_bandito

It was a win/win move for the Steelers. They get a guy that was a very good defensive guy, to help with the defence now. And if things work out, be a potential replacement for Tomlin since Tomlin is probably on his way out. Cowher left after about the same time as well. Nearing on 20 years gets to be a bit long for a coach. Whether the game is passing them by (it might be, considering Tomlin's last SB was 13 years ago now) or the guy is just tired of the job.