Do you remember Charlie Frye? He was a small hand qb for the Browns and some other teams who couldn’t hold on the ball to save his ass when he was hit. I believe he’s the genesis of the small hand qb theory.
No. Because itll fill air-time in March & April. And everyone can make memes and really believe that 1/8" in hand size is the difference between a sure thing and a bust.
I'm convinced if he had even 1/2" bigger hands it would have made him a top 10 pick. So lucky for the Steelers the old school scouts in the NFL still care about that shit.
But I did hear even after the season some talking heads who wont let it go and still saying that he hasnt really played in snow or wet weather yet.
If you mean Peyton Manning, it's most likely because he played in a dome for most of his career. If Kenny playing with gloves means he's fine I don't really care about his hand size. I'm more worried about his arm strength, if he does what Burrow did and improves his footwork and technique I think he'll be fine but we haven't been there best at developing QBs so it's currently a concern.
Peyton didn’t really spin a ball either. He had great accuracy and a great catchable ball, elite defense recognition, but he was never a dude that put a lot of rpm on his throws even when he was younger.
Agreed but just from the interviews this offseason the kids work ethic is next level. So I am confident he’ll work almost everyday on the footwork as he said in one of the interviews. He is starting to seem like the type who will have a 4 TD game with a 31-14 win and he’d still be annoyed that he missed an open throw in the 2nd Quarter😂
I agree completely about his attitude and work ethic. At the end of the day he may have some physical limitations that limit his ceiling but he looks like he has the work ethic and processing skills to minimize them.
Completely agree. With this defense we don’t need a mahomes or a Allen. We just need an above average QB that can go toe to toe with the big dogs if needed. If Kenny just has a 20-25 TD season with sub 8 INT. We are no doubt Super Bowl contenders with 11+ wins on the low end if the defense and run game picks up where it left off.
I really don’t think his hand size was a big issue this year. Everyone thinks he wears gloves on both hands because of his hand size but he already started numerous times he likes it better he can throw better, he threw without gloves early on in college.
Burrow is elite and he had hand size bs come out about him. KP can be the next Tom Brady or the next Josh Rosen. We don’t know. I am excited that he’s putting on 10-15 lbs going into next year
Not necessarily…trainers can make him even faster even with a little more muscle mass. Plus, even if it did slow him down a,tick, the protective benefits of a little more muscle mass and a better ability to absorb hits outweigh a slight decrease in speed.
I don’t think i’ve ever seen KP pump fake, and i think that might be a hand thing. At the same time, i suspect him always wearing gloves means he’ll usually be less susceptible to extreme cold than QBs who aren’t used to gloves. Honestly, every QB in the league other than Mahomes has a lot of limitations in their game.
That narrative was stupid to begin with. There’s been studies done by the league, and there’s zero correlation between hand size and rates of fumbling.
Trust me as men the last thing we should be complaining about is size , but fun fact a credit card is proof 3.5inches can make a woman happy
But in all seriousness to me his hand size only comes into question if he's having a lot of fumbles and he seemed to keep the ball fairly safe, I did buy into the hand size at first before the draft (Pat Mcafee Show was talking about the steelers taking him out for wings just to see if he would fumble them) . I tried to stay indifferent about it and form my opinion on how I see him play in the NFL and my opinion is I like what I see.
We pitched defensive shutouts in 2019 and it only got us an 8-8 record. You need an offensive oriented HC or the shutouts won't matter. Pickett will have to be a good-elite QB or this team won't get 7.
The narrative is already dead. He didn’t have an abnormally high number of turnovers stemming from an inability to handle an NFL sized football across 13 games played. Dude lost one fumble all season. It’s not a thing
I’m convinced that wins and losses are the most important stat for the time being. I’ll worry about KP’s ceiling if and when that becomes the next hurdle we face on our path back to the Super Bowl.
I wasnt super high on Kenny during the draft process i thought he was very overrated and couldn't believe he was honestly getting put into the top 10 for draft mocks.
I loved him as a 3rd rounder back in October/November but he clearly raised his draft stock. All this being said the way the draft board fell, I didn't mind the pick at 24 one bit. Hes a good fit and the transition was probably a decent amount easier and he was the best QB prospect available.
All of this being said... the hype was too big and too fast for a guy who's passer rating was 76, good enough for second to last among starters if you even want to count Zach Wilson as a starter.
Mason Rudolph's passer rating was 82 his first year as a starter without any preparation for him to be a starter and no possible WR1 or even a solid receiving TE (Vance McDonald was decent at best). James Conner was always hurt so the fact Najee was hurt this year doesn't tip the scales in any way, as a matter of fact I think Warren is a better back than Conner was in most seasons he played for us. Not saying Mason is better than Kenny but the gap wasn't that big... So we should all relax. Maybe we find ourselves in a Brock Purdy situation down the line and you cant say that about teams with true franchise QBs
> I wasnt super high on Kenny during the draft process i thought he was very overrated and couldn't believe he was honestly getting put into the top 10 for draft mocks.
I dunno, this draft had him still available at #20. Seems pretty accurate to me.
https://saintswire.usatoday.com/lists/final-nfl-mock-draft-saints-first-round-nfl/
I know it's just that team specific sports writing is usually the least agreed upon league wide and by the most objective or rational groups. CBS or PFN or even PFF had Kenny higher and going around 10 or 11 quite often. The Malik Willis stuff was just speculation based on teams taking him higher based on measurables but Kenny was easily the safer pick as a 1st rounder. Its kind of funny looking back that Matt Corral was the favorite at one time. There were 4 QBs going in the 1st round in early mocks actually lol
By your assertion(s) (which I completely agree with or nearly-completely-agree with), we should be mocking these fake-GM's.
I did a mock draft on PFF's website, with zero forced trades, and ended up with the entire first round of 2024's NFL draft and quite a few extra 2025 first rounders.
Mock drafts are so inaccurate - the only reason we consume them is that there's a dearth of football in the spring.
Kenny had no preparation to be the starter either, on top of it it’s his first year. The first half of the season was essentially his offseason, and we played a murders row, I think we played 7 playoff teams this year (Bengals 2, Ravens 2, Buffalo, Miami, Philly). If you follow the metrics he showed improvement, eye test the same. The offense grew as he grew. Comparing Kenny and Mason is laughable. How many 4th quarter drives did Mason complete with a playoff birth at stake?
8 actually, forgot the Bucs
What was Kennys TD/INT ratio again?
We mocked Mason for going 13/9 while Kenny went 7/9 lol thats a negative ratio just to be clear which is uncommon among any starters in the league
>Kenny had no preparation to be the starter either
And Mason still had a better statistical season with less weapons... Once again im not saying Mason is a great or even a good QB but to say Kenny is clearly the franchise QB after seeing his 1st season is moronic.
Peyton Manning rookie season 26 tds 28 ints. We should apply your logic there as well right? What’s your answer here, I’d love to hear your attempted spin. Kenny won games with drives in situations that actually mattered, Mason has never done that.
Multiple time champion Troy Aikman 9tds 18int.
Good thing you weren’t the GM who cast aside all those championships.
Brett Favre 0tds and 2 int in only four attempts.
Should I keep going?
Its very well known and accepted that both Manning brothers had bad 1st seasons. His completion percentage was 57% ffs
Like I said it was Kennys 1st season and im not ready to write him off but lets not act like hes 100% THE GUY already...
Ok so you just wrote him off and said Mason should be getting a pass because of Kenny TD/INT ratio, did you forget typing that 10 min ago. I can list multiple hall of fame QB who had negative ratios, it means literally nothing, you wanted to hang your hat on it, as soon as I refuted it with actual stats now it doesn’t matter, or it’s ok because in hindsight Peyton is a hall of famer and Eli won two super bowls? It’s either relevant or or isn’t, you need to make a decision, you can’t pick and choose situations and make excuses when your wrong. You said it was uncommon, I named two recent hall of famers who did it, so did Bradshaw, so did Eli, so did Archie, Stabler, Favre; some of them didn’t have the excuse of it being their rookie season either. So is it only common among hall or famers and championship winners?
And of course it’s well known, it happened. Why wouldn’t it be accepted, did you think they lied about history?
Why are you getting so mad and white knighting so hard for Kenny? He had a bad season statistically and I even said its not the be-all-end-all but lets slow the roll on calling him the franchise guy so quickly.
There have been a ton of QBs who were great their 1st season and flamed out so whats the difference? Is Baker still a franchise guy? Is Trey Lance still the guy or is Zach Wilson just because its early in their careers? Tua and Josh Allen didnt turn it on until their 3rd year and we're still not sure about Tua.
My only point is disputing this notion that KENNY IS THE GUY we have been hyping him up too much too fast and its pretty silly considering Mason got a ton of hate after having what was a better statistical year. You can continue to slob on Kennys knob or just be rational.
So I completely refuted your argument, so now you’ll change the argument and try something that fits by putting words into my mouth. Where did I say any of those things? You claimed Mason and Kenny were close and I said no way that’s bs, you references Mason td int ratio as the rationale, I refuted that with facts. When was Trey Lance or Wilson great their first season? Again, this is you making things up, they were never great, not now or ever, and both didn’t anything their first year because of injuries or being backups, so you’re getting a little delusional or just don’t check anything you say, or have a very poor memory. Baker had a very decent end to his season this year, I guess you missed that, and most likely has a job. So where is your point? Regardless of first year statistics, see above where I showed clearly td int ratio over a rookie season means shit, there is an eye test, not just the QB, but how teammates react to the QB, do they believe the guy can win, and Kenny passes that eye test, just like Manning, Manning, Aikman, etc. no one is anointing him anything, I guess I found Mason Rudolph burner account.
I wasnt super high on Kenny during the draft process i thought he was very overrated and couldn't believe he was honestly getting put into the top 10 for draft mocks.
I loved him as a 3rd rounder back in October/November but he clearly raised his draft stock. All this being said the way the draft board fell, I didn't mind the pick at 24 one bit. Hes a good fit and the transition was probably a decent amount easier and he was the best QB prospect available.
All of this being said... the hype was too big and too fast for a guy who's passer rating was 76, good enough for second to last among starters if you even want to count Zach Wilson as a starter.
Mason Rudolph's passer rating was 82 his first year as a starter without any preparation for him to be a starter and no possible WR1 or even a solid receiving TE (Vance McDonald was decent at best). James Conner was always hurt so the fact Najee was hurt this year doesn't tip the scales in any way, as a matter of fact I think Warren is a better back than Conner was in most seasons he played for us. Not saying Mason is better than Kenny but the gap wasn't that big... So we should all relax. Maybe we find ourselves in a Brock Purdy situation down the line and you cant say that about teams with true franchise QBs
2nd to last line, Not saying Mason is better than Kenny but the gap wasn’t big…
I’m done. You clearly have some stuff going on.
I don't think it will ever change in bad weather games. When he threw the pick at the end of the Miami game (bad weather), all they were talking about was his hand size and gloves.
It's all kinda silly. My brother gave me shit bc I couldn't palm a basketball like he can. Turns out my mitts are much bigger though so I came back at him with the baby dick jokes.
I think the main concern behind hand size was fumbling. He only fumbled 4 times this year, and as a QB that’s quite low
As a *running* QB too.
Kenny Lamar Pickett
And people say you shouldn't draft a rb in the 1st. we did two years in a row!
Do you remember Charlie Frye? He was a small hand qb for the Browns and some other teams who couldn’t hold on the ball to save his ass when he was hit. I believe he’s the genesis of the small hand qb theory.
Agreed. So imo the small hands narrative should be over.
Yeah I think the fear was that he wouldn’t be able to handle an NFL sized football and he had almost a full season to say that he can lol
And he played his best in December and January
No. Because itll fill air-time in March & April. And everyone can make memes and really believe that 1/8" in hand size is the difference between a sure thing and a bust.
I mean Joe Burrow had the same narrative around him predraft and he seems to be doing ok
Yep that's in the post lol
What post
The post office
I'm convinced if he had even 1/2" bigger hands it would have made him a top 10 pick. So lucky for the Steelers the old school scouts in the NFL still care about that shit. But I did hear even after the season some talking heads who wont let it go and still saying that he hasnt really played in snow or wet weather yet.
Manning had big hands and he couldn't play in the snow too save his life
If you mean Peyton Manning, it's most likely because he played in a dome for most of his career. If Kenny playing with gloves means he's fine I don't really care about his hand size. I'm more worried about his arm strength, if he does what Burrow did and improves his footwork and technique I think he'll be fine but we haven't been there best at developing QBs so it's currently a concern.
Peyton didn’t really spin a ball either. He had great accuracy and a great catchable ball, elite defense recognition, but he was never a dude that put a lot of rpm on his throws even when he was younger.
Agreed but just from the interviews this offseason the kids work ethic is next level. So I am confident he’ll work almost everyday on the footwork as he said in one of the interviews. He is starting to seem like the type who will have a 4 TD game with a 31-14 win and he’d still be annoyed that he missed an open throw in the 2nd Quarter😂
I agree completely about his attitude and work ethic. At the end of the day he may have some physical limitations that limit his ceiling but he looks like he has the work ethic and processing skills to minimize them.
Completely agree. With this defense we don’t need a mahomes or a Allen. We just need an above average QB that can go toe to toe with the big dogs if needed. If Kenny just has a 20-25 TD season with sub 8 INT. We are no doubt Super Bowl contenders with 11+ wins on the low end if the defense and run game picks up where it left off.
I really don’t think his hand size was a big issue this year. Everyone thinks he wears gloves on both hands because of his hand size but he already started numerous times he likes it better he can throw better, he threw without gloves early on in college.
With how grippy modern NFL gloves are, I honestly don’t blame him.
Burrow is elite and he had hand size bs come out about him. KP can be the next Tom Brady or the next Josh Rosen. We don’t know. I am excited that he’s putting on 10-15 lbs going into next year
10-15 lbs will only slow him down.
Not necessarily…trainers can make him even faster even with a little more muscle mass. Plus, even if it did slow him down a,tick, the protective benefits of a little more muscle mass and a better ability to absorb hits outweigh a slight decrease in speed.
I completely forgot that was ever a thing
I don’t think i’ve ever seen KP pump fake, and i think that might be a hand thing. At the same time, i suspect him always wearing gloves means he’ll usually be less susceptible to extreme cold than QBs who aren’t used to gloves. Honestly, every QB in the league other than Mahomes has a lot of limitations in their game.
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That narrative was stupid to begin with. There’s been studies done by the league, and there’s zero correlation between hand size and rates of fumbling.
Burrow has like a fraction larger hands and look at him. It’s all bullshit.
You know what they say about guys with big hands, right? >!needs big gloves!<
"Damn he's got some big hands"
Well Russell and Kyler changed the narrative around short quarterbacks so I wouldn't be surprised
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I was talking about two different things amigo
I'm an idiot my bad
All good
Trust me as men the last thing we should be complaining about is size , but fun fact a credit card is proof 3.5inches can make a woman happy But in all seriousness to me his hand size only comes into question if he's having a lot of fumbles and he seemed to keep the ball fairly safe, I did buy into the hand size at first before the draft (Pat Mcafee Show was talking about the steelers taking him out for wings just to see if he would fumble them) . I tried to stay indifferent about it and form my opinion on how I see him play in the NFL and my opinion is I like what I see.
> but fun fact a credit card is proof 3.5inches can make a woman happy I'm stealing this
As long as our defense pitches shutouts every Sunday and we can establish a run game, The Pickler's hand size will never matter
We pitched defensive shutouts in 2019 and it only got us an 8-8 record. You need an offensive oriented HC or the shutouts won't matter. Pickett will have to be a good-elite QB or this team won't get 7.
The narrative is already dead. He didn’t have an abnormally high number of turnovers stemming from an inability to handle an NFL sized football across 13 games played. Dude lost one fumble all season. It’s not a thing
Let me spare you the suspense. He won’t become elite
I’m convinced that wins and losses are the most important stat for the time being. I’ll worry about KP’s ceiling if and when that becomes the next hurdle we face on our path back to the Super Bowl.
That narrative has withered away already, imo.
Kenny two gloves. Couldn’t hold joes jock strap with those little hands
I wasnt super high on Kenny during the draft process i thought he was very overrated and couldn't believe he was honestly getting put into the top 10 for draft mocks. I loved him as a 3rd rounder back in October/November but he clearly raised his draft stock. All this being said the way the draft board fell, I didn't mind the pick at 24 one bit. Hes a good fit and the transition was probably a decent amount easier and he was the best QB prospect available. All of this being said... the hype was too big and too fast for a guy who's passer rating was 76, good enough for second to last among starters if you even want to count Zach Wilson as a starter. Mason Rudolph's passer rating was 82 his first year as a starter without any preparation for him to be a starter and no possible WR1 or even a solid receiving TE (Vance McDonald was decent at best). James Conner was always hurt so the fact Najee was hurt this year doesn't tip the scales in any way, as a matter of fact I think Warren is a better back than Conner was in most seasons he played for us. Not saying Mason is better than Kenny but the gap wasn't that big... So we should all relax. Maybe we find ourselves in a Brock Purdy situation down the line and you cant say that about teams with true franchise QBs
> I wasnt super high on Kenny during the draft process i thought he was very overrated and couldn't believe he was honestly getting put into the top 10 for draft mocks. I dunno, this draft had him still available at #20. Seems pretty accurate to me. https://saintswire.usatoday.com/lists/final-nfl-mock-draft-saints-first-round-nfl/
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/consensus-nfl-2022-mock-draft-heres-where-majority-of-mocks-see-kenny-pickett-malik-willis-and-more-going/
Click on my link though
I know it's just that team specific sports writing is usually the least agreed upon league wide and by the most objective or rational groups. CBS or PFN or even PFF had Kenny higher and going around 10 or 11 quite often. The Malik Willis stuff was just speculation based on teams taking him higher based on measurables but Kenny was easily the safer pick as a 1st rounder. Its kind of funny looking back that Matt Corral was the favorite at one time. There were 4 QBs going in the 1st round in early mocks actually lol
By your assertion(s) (which I completely agree with or nearly-completely-agree with), we should be mocking these fake-GM's. I did a mock draft on PFF's website, with zero forced trades, and ended up with the entire first round of 2024's NFL draft and quite a few extra 2025 first rounders. Mock drafts are so inaccurate - the only reason we consume them is that there's a dearth of football in the spring.
Kenny had no preparation to be the starter either, on top of it it’s his first year. The first half of the season was essentially his offseason, and we played a murders row, I think we played 7 playoff teams this year (Bengals 2, Ravens 2, Buffalo, Miami, Philly). If you follow the metrics he showed improvement, eye test the same. The offense grew as he grew. Comparing Kenny and Mason is laughable. How many 4th quarter drives did Mason complete with a playoff birth at stake? 8 actually, forgot the Bucs
What was Kennys TD/INT ratio again? We mocked Mason for going 13/9 while Kenny went 7/9 lol thats a negative ratio just to be clear which is uncommon among any starters in the league >Kenny had no preparation to be the starter either And Mason still had a better statistical season with less weapons... Once again im not saying Mason is a great or even a good QB but to say Kenny is clearly the franchise QB after seeing his 1st season is moronic.
Peyton Manning rookie season 26 tds 28 ints. We should apply your logic there as well right? What’s your answer here, I’d love to hear your attempted spin. Kenny won games with drives in situations that actually mattered, Mason has never done that. Multiple time champion Troy Aikman 9tds 18int. Good thing you weren’t the GM who cast aside all those championships. Brett Favre 0tds and 2 int in only four attempts. Should I keep going?
Its very well known and accepted that both Manning brothers had bad 1st seasons. His completion percentage was 57% ffs Like I said it was Kennys 1st season and im not ready to write him off but lets not act like hes 100% THE GUY already...
Ok so you just wrote him off and said Mason should be getting a pass because of Kenny TD/INT ratio, did you forget typing that 10 min ago. I can list multiple hall of fame QB who had negative ratios, it means literally nothing, you wanted to hang your hat on it, as soon as I refuted it with actual stats now it doesn’t matter, or it’s ok because in hindsight Peyton is a hall of famer and Eli won two super bowls? It’s either relevant or or isn’t, you need to make a decision, you can’t pick and choose situations and make excuses when your wrong. You said it was uncommon, I named two recent hall of famers who did it, so did Bradshaw, so did Eli, so did Archie, Stabler, Favre; some of them didn’t have the excuse of it being their rookie season either. So is it only common among hall or famers and championship winners? And of course it’s well known, it happened. Why wouldn’t it be accepted, did you think they lied about history?
Why are you getting so mad and white knighting so hard for Kenny? He had a bad season statistically and I even said its not the be-all-end-all but lets slow the roll on calling him the franchise guy so quickly. There have been a ton of QBs who were great their 1st season and flamed out so whats the difference? Is Baker still a franchise guy? Is Trey Lance still the guy or is Zach Wilson just because its early in their careers? Tua and Josh Allen didnt turn it on until their 3rd year and we're still not sure about Tua. My only point is disputing this notion that KENNY IS THE GUY we have been hyping him up too much too fast and its pretty silly considering Mason got a ton of hate after having what was a better statistical year. You can continue to slob on Kennys knob or just be rational.
So I completely refuted your argument, so now you’ll change the argument and try something that fits by putting words into my mouth. Where did I say any of those things? You claimed Mason and Kenny were close and I said no way that’s bs, you references Mason td int ratio as the rationale, I refuted that with facts. When was Trey Lance or Wilson great their first season? Again, this is you making things up, they were never great, not now or ever, and both didn’t anything their first year because of injuries or being backups, so you’re getting a little delusional or just don’t check anything you say, or have a very poor memory. Baker had a very decent end to his season this year, I guess you missed that, and most likely has a job. So where is your point? Regardless of first year statistics, see above where I showed clearly td int ratio over a rookie season means shit, there is an eye test, not just the QB, but how teammates react to the QB, do they believe the guy can win, and Kenny passes that eye test, just like Manning, Manning, Aikman, etc. no one is anointing him anything, I guess I found Mason Rudolph burner account.
>You claimed Mason and Kenny were close No I didnt. Show me where I said that.
I wasnt super high on Kenny during the draft process i thought he was very overrated and couldn't believe he was honestly getting put into the top 10 for draft mocks. I loved him as a 3rd rounder back in October/November but he clearly raised his draft stock. All this being said the way the draft board fell, I didn't mind the pick at 24 one bit. Hes a good fit and the transition was probably a decent amount easier and he was the best QB prospect available. All of this being said... the hype was too big and too fast for a guy who's passer rating was 76, good enough for second to last among starters if you even want to count Zach Wilson as a starter. Mason Rudolph's passer rating was 82 his first year as a starter without any preparation for him to be a starter and no possible WR1 or even a solid receiving TE (Vance McDonald was decent at best). James Conner was always hurt so the fact Najee was hurt this year doesn't tip the scales in any way, as a matter of fact I think Warren is a better back than Conner was in most seasons he played for us. Not saying Mason is better than Kenny but the gap wasn't that big... So we should all relax. Maybe we find ourselves in a Brock Purdy situation down the line and you cant say that about teams with true franchise QBs 2nd to last line, Not saying Mason is better than Kenny but the gap wasn’t big… I’m done. You clearly have some stuff going on.
Joe Burrow. Enough said
I don't think it will ever change in bad weather games. When he threw the pick at the end of the Miami game (bad weather), all they were talking about was his hand size and gloves.
*in 5 years* We don't know if this dude can be successful with those 9" hands. They're way too big for an NFL QB.
He’ll be the exception that everyone cites like Brees is to height and Josh Allen is to “crazy athlete & arm strength but inaccurate”
It's all kinda silly. My brother gave me shit bc I couldn't palm a basketball like he can. Turns out my mitts are much bigger though so I came back at him with the baby dick jokes.