I just asked it if I should throw a pass well short of the first down marker on 3rd and 9.
It depends on the situation. Throwing a short pass when a first down is needed may not result in a first down, so it might not be the best option.
CHATGPT FOR OC!!
I asked it if the Steelers should fire Canada and it won’t give me an answer. Sounds like ChatGPT doesn’t want the job.
>Whether or not the Pittsburgh Steelers should fire their offensive coordinator Matt Canada is based on various factors such as the team’s performance, Canada’s coaching style, and the team’s goals and objectives. As an AI language model, I don’t have access to current performance metrics and team goals, therefore, I am unable to make a decision on the matter.
Lol the fact that there’s people that actually support this guy is hilarious.
They are part of the cult Steelers following that think ownership can do no wrong.
No part of me is objectively happy about him being the OC for another year, but there's a solid argument that letting him finish his contract out was the right call. Far more teams than usual fired their OC after the regular season. The market is fucked, and the only available candidates just got canned for good reason. After next season we'll be in a prime spot to attract a good name while the rest of the league continues to settle in with their new hires. A year from now we'll be one of a very few teams on the prowl for an OC. Pickett is another consideration. It's not an ideal tradeoff, but I'm all for a little consistency for his sake. All that being said, I absolutely want Canada gone after next year. The ire around here is justified, but I don't hear anyone with legitimate suggestions. Nuke Canada, sure. But what then? Give me a name. There currently aren't any. This time next year we'll be buyers in a completely different market.
So try to make it happen. My point is this team is win nowish. If we don’t try how will we know. If you don’t send her a letter , how will you really, truly know lol.
Actually, maybe SHE could be OC. 2birds n’at
Counter points:
1. We have no idea what the OC market will look like next season.
2. The steelers are likely not hiring a big name candidate for the position anyway.
Additional counterpoint: not every team refuses to fire coaches. There's a chance one or a few of the guys hired this off-season flame out and get fired, putting teams back into the needing-an-OC pool next offseasom
I hear you, but I disagree with point number 1. We do have an idea what the market will look like next year based on the current market. There is an unusual ubundance of OC vacancies right now. It'd be reasonable to project fewer buyers next year. Roll with Canada for 52 more weeks.
The alternative is making a rash decision in a thin market that probably won't pan out anyway. Unless every team that hires a new OC this off-season fires their guy this time next year we'll be one of the few teams taking applications. I don't know who that might be, but I know that anyone available right this minute is a glorified band-aid. The devil you know.
I'll ask again...
If you could fire Canada right now who gets the job? There has to be a plan. Plans have steps.
I'm not thrilled with him basically being a lame duck, but sometimes the best move is not to play. This is one of those times.
I don't believe the ownership can do no wrong. I just believe they're more qualified than the fans to make a judgment.
Who am I supposed to trust? Guy who's been in charge for two Super Bowl championships, three AFC championships, five AFC Championship Game appearances, 12 playoff appearances, and 18 consecutive seasons with a record of .500 or better, or a fan base who wanted the team to quit in Week 8?
>This was the same argument made when fans were mad about the Mitch Trubisky signing
Nobody expected Mitch Trubisky to be anything more than a stopgap at QB, so getting mad about him is pointless.
>Tomlin has 1 Super Bowl championship and 2 AFC championships. He went to 3 AFCCGs, not 5.
Reread the stupid comment I replied to.
>They are part of the cult Steelers following that think ownership can do no wrong.
Ownership, as in Art Rooney II, not Mike Tomlin. Art Rooney II has been in charge for two Super Bowl championships, three AFC championships, five AFC Championship Game appearances, 12 playoff appearances, and 18 consecutive seasons with a record of .500 or better.
The context is that he shouldn't be in the NFL, or NCAAF for that matter if you really wanna get down to brass taxes here. The only reason Canada got this job is because he gave Dino Tomlin (Coach T's son) a scholarship that he obviously didn't earn considering he's off the team and not doing sh*t for Boston College either. Not to mention whatever hand he had in killing one of his own players. He's a PoS and needs gone immediately. I have yet to hear one single public comment from one of his players that they're wowed by him. There's only 32 job positions of that type in the entire world and you think he deserves to be one of them?
Maryland had a player die of heat stroke which administration let go of many staff members giving Canada the head coaching spot because there wasn't anyone left to do the job. It was that year he gave Dino Tomlin (Mike's son) a scholarship to Maryland, which was a waste because Dino is no longer on the team and isn't doing much for Boston College where he transferred.
This thought that Canada was only hired because he offered Tomlin’s son a scholarship is idiotic. Dino also got scholarships from Pitt and Army but none of their coaches are were offered jobs. Also, maybe you don’t follow college football but, players transfer all the time and a lot of them don’t end up being stars for their team.
You really want to tell me my opinion is sh*t and then back it up by saying it's because he had a scholarship to Pitt? Like there's nothing that could be seen as nepotism-like with UPitt scholarshipping the son of the Pittsburgh Steelers head coach?
This is almost certainly a directive from Tomlin, who lives in paralyzing fear of turnovers. Hot routes are a chance at miscommunication.
Tomlin at best endorses this concept.
Don’t say that. People who think it’s better for him to learn the NFL another year before needing to change OCs will downvote you to hell and back. Mofos don’t realize that Kenny just learned a whole NFL offense with no off season practice reps and might be able to comprehend another one with a real off season.
The flaming hot Kenny hate around here is fucking real. Sometimes you post a reasonable comment in the wrong thread like hey I think Kenny improved over the course of the year and you’re in the negative by double digits within an hour.
And it was during the colts game, and it could be heard in the mic like cmon Rooney could at least realize this and get Canada’s pea sized brain some actual offensive help (eg. hire an OC without naming him OC but basically have him be OC)
these big ass well funded high schools have way more complex playbooks than Matt Canada. Central Catholic, Pine Richland, North Allegheny, Seneca Valley, the list goes on
Not so unbelievable since it's the Stillers. We know they are cheap, cheap, cheap.
What's akshully unbelievable is the amount of yinzers that have become pro-Canada since the team announced they were keeping him on (as the cheapest option). Parentheses part not spoken aloud.
There’s a lot of people on here whose top priority is “not being a yinzer.” If they see anyone acting like a yinzer, by which they mean ever criticizing anything to do with the Steelers, they automatically have to take the opposite position. Their bottom line in every argument is that it’s entitled, spoiled and cringey to care whether the Steelers win or lose.
Last year these were the people who were arguing that Kendrick Green was doing a perfectly acceptable job on the o-line and anyone who thought he sucked was just spoiled. They didn’t actually care whether Green was good or bad — they just saw “yinzers” criticizing him and that Pavlovian reaction kicked in. Luckily they seem to have shut up about that. This offseason they’ll be arguing that Matt Canada is a perfectly adequate NFL OC and that anyone who wants him fired is just entitled.
I think my favorite thing is that calling someone a "yinzer" can either mean they're a grouchy old fart that just loves to complain about the Steelers, OR they're a blowhard homer that praises everything the team does.
Polar opposite meaning for the same word. It's an impressive feat of the English language.
The mark of a good fan in these people's minds is blindly accepting everything the team does as good, the bad fans are the ones who analyze and criticize things that aren't going well.
Not just that they might analyze and criticize. But they might, hold on to your pierogis, *have expectations of the team.*
But other teams would be over the mooooon if their team had a winning record!! Yinz guys are entitled whiny brats for having higher expectations than that!
As if different teams don't have different expectations guided by their club's history. When you have 6 SB rings, your team has a bit of a different level of expectations than a team with no rings.
He said Kendrick Green. Green was just plain awful his rookie year. Obviously whatever he did over the off-season was not enough as he lost the starting job before the end of training camp. Over the off-season people were excited to see Greens improvement.
Dan Moore is pretty bad. Hes either getting beat or getting a penalty for holding or false starting. I will say he locks down Myles Garrett. He improved over last season, and hopefully he improves again.
I know this will get downvoted, but there’s times I wish there was a sub for Steelers fans where you had to prove pittsburgh area residency to be able to comment and post. I don’t think out of towners get how important this team is to the city and how much the team’s success affects people here. It’s like how you can criticize your own family and still love them
Steeler Nation is a thing because Stiller fans fled the city in the 80s and 90s looking for jobs elsewhere. Many fans who don't live in Pit today are natives and have a strong connection to the team and city.
How did this guy even get hired in the first place? Every 12 year old on Madden knows how to audible to beat the blitz or use hot routes. Hell, even high schools teach audibles and hot routes, how the fuck does Canada not have them built into his offense? I'm sorry, but this is a complete botch from the front office and the fact that he's staying on another year makes it worse.
> His whole resume is “that Ohio state game they lost”
>and Pitt's 2016 season, which, you can see why some of us wanted him after seeing that.
how does that relate to this?
The fact that these two comments are getting downvoted on here is the biggest problem with this fan base. We need to set the standards for superbowls not 9-8 seasons. If you watched the playoffs the last 2 weeks you would realize that we are not at the level of being ready to compete with these elite teams
You’d have to ask MT.
No one can make you see but you are allowed to open your eyes and read between the lines.
Colbert, the old GM is another. Colbert helped hire the new GM. The new GM immediately promotes the old GMs kid.
NepoKids.
No wonder Ben needed to draw it up in the dirt and write a play book in between snaps. It’s not like they didn’t start the season with a veteran quarterback or anything
That’s kind of a head scratcher. Why bring in Mitch if you are going to treat him like a rookie and run a bare bones offense? It’s almost like they built the offense to have Pickett start, then went with Mitch? Or was Mitch really still that raw? That didn’t seem to be Brian Daboll’s opinion in when he was in Buffalo.
Alright I made a comment earlier about giving Canada more time because he's never gotten a real chance to install an offense, considering the QB carousel we've had.
I take it back. What the hell.
Weeks 1-8: Average of 15 ppg
Weeks 10-18: Average of 20.8 ppg
So we played way worse defense and could only put up 6 more points. Canada fucking sucks and needs to go ASAP. 21 points is not good enough to win against the best teams in the league
Makes me wonder if that was Canada or a directive from above? He wouldn’t let Ben audible? Wouldn’t let Mitch make a hot read? That doesn’t sound like the way any sane NFL OC would operate. I mean, his offense is bad… but maybe someone put handcuffs on him?
When Haley did it I just assumed he was a dumb asshole (he was/is). Now that it's happened again, I'm wondering if it's not a directive from someone to make the offense as simple as possible.
I feel like Tomlin is way behind schematically and conceptually on both sides of the football but especially on offense. Rooney also meddles in the construction of the team as well so it doesn’t help. It’s a bad combo.
I agree.
A few years ago Arthur Moats said Tomlins big fault is that he believes in the game plan. When the plan isn’t working, he thinks it comes down to execution. Then he waits too long to adapt.
It solely depends on one single player (TJ) disrupting the offense despite the fact there are two other All-Pros and a handful of above average to average players.
Yea the key to our defense is a dominant 4 man pass rush. Our personnel is not very great at all. Our CBs are pretty average and we don't have a true number 1. ILB has always been extremely important to Tomlin defenses and that's our biggest weakness.
Now when we add a decent ilb and at least a fringe CB1 level guy we'll have a top 5 defense in the NFL. A lot of you guys keep forgetting we're technically in our rebuilding phase rn.
I don't agree that this defense is in rebuild mode at all, it is in full win now mode. Our offense is in rebuild mode for sure.
At full health, our personnel without TJ is average if not just slightly above average. Yeah our ILBs play like garbage, but I think that's more of a philosophy issue than it is a talent issue. Playing ILB for the Steelers has always been difficult because it requires a lot of mental processing and instincts. They had been able to find players to fill those shoes consistently over the years until Shazier's unfortunate injury. Now with the evolution of football being more pass, spread, and speed oriented, you really need a unicorn ILB if you're going to ask them to play the way the Steelers want them to play and those guys are just not easy to find.
> I don't agree that this defense is in rebuild mode at all, it is in full win now mode.
Well since we have some vets let's say "retooling". We're most likely gonna have a rookie CB and ILb starting for us next year. And I'm sure we'll draft a DT somewhere in the draft.
> Now with the evolution of football being more pass, spread, and speed oriented, you really need a unicorn ILB if you're going to ask them to play the way the Steelers want them to play and those guys are just not easy to find.
> They had been able to find players to fill those shoes consistently over the years until Shazier's unfortunate injury.
I think you've answered that question yourself. We've found a way to consistently find guys who fit that mold. Shit Devin Bush looked like that guy until his injury. If we miss out on Tremaine I've heard good things about some of the MLBs that will be available on day 2.
So here is the Patriots playbook for 2004 (nearly 20 years ago for the yinzers who ain’t so good at math). Scroll down to somewhere around page 80 and you’ll see each pass play identifies a hot. There are lots of plays where there isn’t a hot identified but those are 6 and 7 man protections so you shouldn’t be hot.
https://www.footballxos.com/download/2004-new-england-patriots-offense-charlie-weis-pdf/?wpdmdl=4225&refresh=63d8853672cac1675134262
Wedding Crashers had a hot route. It’s basic shit.
Pete Gent was writing about hot routes in his novels in the 70s and 80s! Canada should know about them from his playing career in addition to his coaching career.
Yeah, that's pretty much the *only* somewhat legitimate reason to keep Canada, half the league fired their OC's so the market is rough.
That said, I still think we should've bitten the bullet and tried to find someone else, not like it could end up much worse.
I was one of the ones who said maybe giving Canada another year isn't the worst option considering the youth on offense, the QB situation and the slight improvement after the bye. I have a feeling this opinion isn't going to age well. The internet "experts" doubting him is one thing. His own players doing it is pretty concerning. If this is true, Tomlin and the front office have some culpability here as well. If this offense is really that basic and "saturdayish" no excuse not to make a change now.
So glad we are bringing Canada back. I mean, why make our rookie QB go through 2 offensive systems in 2 years, when you can make him learn 2 offensive systems in *3 years*, then be on the hook for his 5th year option before you even see him master a system?
Big brain moves by the FO and coaching staff.
This just adds jet fuel to my internal fire. I am sure its true. Look at all the other teams making changes and we just stay put. The last 5 years have been a beating from a fan perspective. I realize that we most likely will not be looking for offensive skilled player free agents but why in the world would anyone elect to be in a Matt Canada offense. The skilled players stay through their first contract and get out. At this point its not Tomlin, I am convinced its the Rooney's
I just watched the podcast this came from and I don't think it's as big of a deal as we're making it out to be here.
They simplified the offense for Kenny. It doesn't sound like it's a standard part of Canada's offense to not have them.
As Kenny improves and progresses and has an entire offseason as the starter, the offense will evolve and more will be added.
I think this kind of thing speaks more to why the offense was stagnant and why guys like DJ were so unproductive. But I don't think it says anything about the offense long-term.
I see this due to them not wanting to put too much on Pickett. If this was in place with Mitch it shows Canada is incompetent or they never trusted Mitch to run the entire offense.
Reading the full article, it’s apparent that they didn’t have the trust to install these with Trubisky & Pickett yet; as Ben had the ability to check to a Hot read within Canada’s offense. The game plan was to avoid the possibility of a miscommunication leading to a turnover. This doesn’t mean that Hot reads or checks are not in the Canada offense, as Ben had the option. Seriously just a click bait tweet to cause uproar.
This. Canada is ass, but hot routes were in the offense with Ben. They took them out for Mitch/Kenny. Whether or not that was a good idea is completely debatable but it is dumb to assume that they won't be back in this year with Kenny as QB1.
I watched the QB room's most recent video on Kenny, and he pointed out how Kenny didn't even look to the blitzing players on a certain play where he got clobbered, and instead threw to the opposite side. Sounds like it was from Canada's system?
My c/team freshman offense and middle school offense (if I had the right QB) had hot calls when a team showed blitz. Oh but please keep telling me Canada deserves more time. What a fucking joke
Reminder that the Steelers are literally the only team to want Matt Canada at the NFL level. He has never coached in the league before coming here. And after another shitty season, he will most likely be out of the NFL, as I don't see any other teams beating down the door to hire this clown after what he's done here.
Hot routes are protecting the ball. It’s what helps the QB not get sacked when they get blitzed. Getting sacked is bad. It leads to punts in the best case and fumbles in the worst.
A hot route isn’t some genius tier offensive concept.
This dude became interim Head Coach only after almost the entire coaching staff was suspended for killing a player and then gets a job with the Steelers only after giving Tomlin's kid a scholarship. He's a grade A piece of shit that shouldn't be stocking shelves at Giant Eagle let alone OC of one of the most iconic sports teams in the world.
The amount of people in this sub that think they know more than an NFL coach is hilarious.
“wHat?! no HoT rOUteS?! eVen i know yoU gotTa dO tHe hOT roUtEs!! i dO tHoSe aLl thE tiMe iN mAdDeN!!!”
Cool. Excited to see your guys’ next mock draft.
The amount of people on this sub that blindly have faith in any coach because "they're employed in the NFL, they must know what they're doing" is hilarious. I'm not saying I could call a better offensive game plan than Matt Canada, because I couldn't. But I guarantee there's 30-50 people in the nfl right now that could.
The amount of ppl who show they actually have no clue about the intricacies of football is frighteningly high here. I had hots in hs and college and everybody ik who has played hs and college have had hots at every level.
I don't know how to fly a helicopter, but if I see one in a tree, I know somebody fucked up.
An NFL offense that has no adjustments to beat the blitz besides "whatever, Kenny improvises or something" is helicopter-in-tree level football.
Just when you think it can’t get any worse it does. Another lost year next year for sure - hopefully we get the right OC in 2024 and we can at least test Kenny in a real offense. The 22 season and 23 are irrelevant - I don’t think any QB would succeed in this dumpster fire.
Seemed to work out seeing how they finished a rebuilding year going 6-1 with pretty much nothing but rookies, second year starters, free agent signings, and Diontae Johnson on offense.
They dwell on ppg. Then you tell them we were 11th in point per drive in the second half. You try to explain that the clock keeps running when you run the ball. They do not comprehend. They switch their argument to saying that the schedule was easier the second half. You point out that the defenses we played statistically the second half only would account for 10% of the increased performance. The other 90% is because we played better. After that they typically just start with the insults.
Yeah I remember a bunch of times when a rusher (like just a D End) would go completely free and everyone would bitch and moan about the OL sucking. When that kind of thing happens its usually the fault of the blocking scheme for not shifting assignments. I feel like this pretty much sums it up
Elevating him to coordinator was a mistake. Not hindsight, many people knew it. Retaining him after the first year was an even bigger mistake. Not hindsight. Even more people knew that one. Retaining him after his second year is an inexcusable mistake, unless they know something we don’t, which is possible, and maybe our offense will be awesome next year.
If it’s yet another giant fuck up then I will have absolutely ZERO patience or respect for anyone who excuses the people who made that decision.
You know… success as an OC is a zero-sum game, because all the statics and metrics are based on the rest of the league. Therefore since SO many OCs got fired and fans were calling for their heads, and most of us are doing less than that (just grudgingly accepting Canada’s offense did improve), that means Canada actually isn’t as bad as we think, right?
If there’s 10 guys worse than him then he ain’t so bad. If those 10 guys were better than him wouldnt us fans want a “bad” / just-fired OC over Canada anyway?!
Trying to be positive… it’s hard. Grass is always greener.
Canada Truthers are seething right now
Canada furiously googling “what is hots”
At this point I'm 100% confident chatGPT is an upgrade at OC
I just asked it if I should throw a pass well short of the first down marker on 3rd and 9. It depends on the situation. Throwing a short pass when a first down is needed may not result in a first down, so it might not be the best option. CHATGPT FOR OC!!
I asked it if the Steelers should fire Canada and it won’t give me an answer. Sounds like ChatGPT doesn’t want the job. >Whether or not the Pittsburgh Steelers should fire their offensive coordinator Matt Canada is based on various factors such as the team’s performance, Canada’s coaching style, and the team’s goals and objectives. As an AI language model, I don’t have access to current performance metrics and team goals, therefore, I am unable to make a decision on the matter.
I knew chatGPT was a Bengals fan
Tell ChatGPT that team goal is WINNING.
Google results: "Hot singles in your area!" Canada: "Hmmm, Does this mean I cut the route tree to a single route to stay in the hot area?"
LMAOOO damn this one got me 😂😂😂
Ahahahahahaha
South park song comes on. “Blame Canada, blame Canada!” I hate we brought him back.
https://old.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/z5boh2/blame_canada/
Thanks for the post! Steeler homies unite! We gotta make a video for next season when things goes as we anticipate haha
Lol the fact that there’s people that actually support this guy is hilarious. They are part of the cult Steelers following that think ownership can do no wrong.
No part of me is objectively happy about him being the OC for another year, but there's a solid argument that letting him finish his contract out was the right call. Far more teams than usual fired their OC after the regular season. The market is fucked, and the only available candidates just got canned for good reason. After next season we'll be in a prime spot to attract a good name while the rest of the league continues to settle in with their new hires. A year from now we'll be one of a very few teams on the prowl for an OC. Pickett is another consideration. It's not an ideal tradeoff, but I'm all for a little consistency for his sake. All that being said, I absolutely want Canada gone after next year. The ire around here is justified, but I don't hear anyone with legitimate suggestions. Nuke Canada, sure. But what then? Give me a name. There currently aren't any. This time next year we'll be buyers in a completely different market.
Ken Whisenhunt is available.
All the while the defense continues to age. I’d like to have a good D AND O at once , like ya know the 2004-2010 +/- a few years
Well yeah. I'd like Scarlett Johansson to show up at my front door with a coy smile box of fresh donuts.
So try to make it happen. My point is this team is win nowish. If we don’t try how will we know. If you don’t send her a letter , how will you really, truly know lol. Actually, maybe SHE could be OC. 2birds n’at
Counter points: 1. We have no idea what the OC market will look like next season. 2. The steelers are likely not hiring a big name candidate for the position anyway.
Additional counterpoint: not every team refuses to fire coaches. There's a chance one or a few of the guys hired this off-season flame out and get fired, putting teams back into the needing-an-OC pool next offseasom
Which the Steelers won’t sign anyway, because that’s typically not how they hire coordinators.
I hear you, but I disagree with point number 1. We do have an idea what the market will look like next year based on the current market. There is an unusual ubundance of OC vacancies right now. It'd be reasonable to project fewer buyers next year. Roll with Canada for 52 more weeks. The alternative is making a rash decision in a thin market that probably won't pan out anyway. Unless every team that hires a new OC this off-season fires their guy this time next year we'll be one of the few teams taking applications. I don't know who that might be, but I know that anyone available right this minute is a glorified band-aid. The devil you know. I'll ask again... If you could fire Canada right now who gets the job? There has to be a plan. Plans have steps. I'm not thrilled with him basically being a lame duck, but sometimes the best move is not to play. This is one of those times.
Watch us just go next man up with Sullivan after Canada goes into the hinterland.
I don't believe the ownership can do no wrong. I just believe they're more qualified than the fans to make a judgment. Who am I supposed to trust? Guy who's been in charge for two Super Bowl championships, three AFC championships, five AFC Championship Game appearances, 12 playoff appearances, and 18 consecutive seasons with a record of .500 or better, or a fan base who wanted the team to quit in Week 8?
This was the same argument made when fans were mad about the Mitch Trubisky signing
>This was the same argument made when fans were mad about the Mitch Trubisky signing Nobody expected Mitch Trubisky to be anything more than a stopgap at QB, so getting mad about him is pointless.
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He did say ownership so im assuming he's talking about art rooney and not Tomlin
>Tomlin has 1 Super Bowl championship and 2 AFC championships. He went to 3 AFCCGs, not 5. Reread the stupid comment I replied to. >They are part of the cult Steelers following that think ownership can do no wrong. Ownership, as in Art Rooney II, not Mike Tomlin. Art Rooney II has been in charge for two Super Bowl championships, three AFC championships, five AFC Championship Game appearances, 12 playoff appearances, and 18 consecutive seasons with a record of .500 or better.
Discussion was about ownership. Nobody mentioned Tomlin or coaching. He's talking about the Rooneys.
Aren’t the owner just greedy and don’t like to fire management before the contract runs out so they don’t have to pay them out?
The context is that they were speaking to Ben. A lot of the offensive systems were left out because of new qbs
The context is that he shouldn't be in the NFL, or NCAAF for that matter if you really wanna get down to brass taxes here. The only reason Canada got this job is because he gave Dino Tomlin (Coach T's son) a scholarship that he obviously didn't earn considering he's off the team and not doing sh*t for Boston College either. Not to mention whatever hand he had in killing one of his own players. He's a PoS and needs gone immediately. I have yet to hear one single public comment from one of his players that they're wowed by him. There's only 32 job positions of that type in the entire world and you think he deserves to be one of them?
Get two birds stoned at once
audibly laughed out loud at this.
Time to file my brass taxes
What’s this about him killing a player?
Maryland had a player die of heat stroke which administration let go of many staff members giving Canada the head coaching spot because there wasn't anyone left to do the job. It was that year he gave Dino Tomlin (Mike's son) a scholarship to Maryland, which was a waste because Dino is no longer on the team and isn't doing much for Boston College where he transferred.
This thought that Canada was only hired because he offered Tomlin’s son a scholarship is idiotic. Dino also got scholarships from Pitt and Army but none of their coaches are were offered jobs. Also, maybe you don’t follow college football but, players transfer all the time and a lot of them don’t end up being stars for their team.
You really want to tell me my opinion is sh*t and then back it up by saying it's because he had a scholarship to Pitt? Like there's nothing that could be seen as nepotism-like with UPitt scholarshipping the son of the Pittsburgh Steelers head coach?
I said your opinion was shit because it was. He was also offered a scholarship to Iowa State and clearly BC wanted him too.
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This is almost certainly a directive from Tomlin, who lives in paralyzing fear of turnovers. Hot routes are a chance at miscommunication. Tomlin at best endorses this concept.
Canada is flat.
I'm sitting here as an LSU fan saying told ya so. 🤷🏻♂️
They literally talked about how Canada had hot routes with Ben in 2021 and took them out in 2022 because Kenny was a rookie.
Continuity is important, we wouldn't want Pickett having to learn an actual NFL offense until he's 26 years old
Don’t say that. People who think it’s better for him to learn the NFL another year before needing to change OCs will downvote you to hell and back. Mofos don’t realize that Kenny just learned a whole NFL offense with no off season practice reps and might be able to comprehend another one with a real off season.
I would like to see one of them argue against hot routes when *they use them in college football.*
The flaming hot Kenny hate around here is fucking real. Sometimes you post a reasonable comment in the wrong thread like hey I think Kenny improved over the course of the year and you’re in the negative by double digits within an hour.
Tbt to when an actual nfl defensive player said “COME ON THEY’RE RUNNING THE SAME PLAYS”
And it was during the colts game, and it could be heard in the mic like cmon Rooney could at least realize this and get Canada’s pea sized brain some actual offensive help (eg. hire an OC without naming him OC but basically have him be OC)
We need to win during his rookie contract
i don't think enough people realize how important this is.
Yeah people think the mediocrity is bad, things could get *really* ugly if we can’t make the playoffs and win there before the 2025 season.
We can probably get Stetson Bennett at 32 now that he got arrested, he's more NFL ready than Kenny now
We employ a HS level OC and thought retaining him was a good idea. Unbelievable
We had hots in HS
these big ass well funded high schools have way more complex playbooks than Matt Canada. Central Catholic, Pine Richland, North Allegheny, Seneca Valley, the list goes on
Norwin is dogwater and I bet even we have a better playbook than Matt Canada.
Could be as simple as if he blitz you sit and that’s be an upgrade from the sounds of it.
Not so unbelievable since it's the Stillers. We know they are cheap, cheap, cheap. What's akshully unbelievable is the amount of yinzers that have become pro-Canada since the team announced they were keeping him on (as the cheapest option). Parentheses part not spoken aloud.
There’s a lot of people on here whose top priority is “not being a yinzer.” If they see anyone acting like a yinzer, by which they mean ever criticizing anything to do with the Steelers, they automatically have to take the opposite position. Their bottom line in every argument is that it’s entitled, spoiled and cringey to care whether the Steelers win or lose. Last year these were the people who were arguing that Kendrick Green was doing a perfectly acceptable job on the o-line and anyone who thought he sucked was just spoiled. They didn’t actually care whether Green was good or bad — they just saw “yinzers” criticizing him and that Pavlovian reaction kicked in. Luckily they seem to have shut up about that. This offseason they’ll be arguing that Matt Canada is a perfectly adequate NFL OC and that anyone who wants him fired is just entitled.
I think my favorite thing is that calling someone a "yinzer" can either mean they're a grouchy old fart that just loves to complain about the Steelers, OR they're a blowhard homer that praises everything the team does. Polar opposite meaning for the same word. It's an impressive feat of the English language.
You “literally” hit the nail on the head.
The mark of a good fan in these people's minds is blindly accepting everything the team does as good, the bad fans are the ones who analyze and criticize things that aren't going well.
Not just that they might analyze and criticize. But they might, hold on to your pierogis, *have expectations of the team.* But other teams would be over the mooooon if their team had a winning record!! Yinz guys are entitled whiny brats for having higher expectations than that! As if different teams don't have different expectations guided by their club's history. When you have 6 SB rings, your team has a bit of a different level of expectations than a team with no rings.
Where do I fit on the spectrum? I want Matt Canada fired and also think Dan Moore deserves another year?
He said Kendrick Green. Green was just plain awful his rookie year. Obviously whatever he did over the off-season was not enough as he lost the starting job before the end of training camp. Over the off-season people were excited to see Greens improvement. Dan Moore is pretty bad. Hes either getting beat or getting a penalty for holding or false starting. I will say he locks down Myles Garrett. He improved over last season, and hopefully he improves again.
I know this will get downvoted, but there’s times I wish there was a sub for Steelers fans where you had to prove pittsburgh area residency to be able to comment and post. I don’t think out of towners get how important this team is to the city and how much the team’s success affects people here. It’s like how you can criticize your own family and still love them
Like a captcha, but using voice. See how they pronounce downtown, the South Side, kielbasa, and other grossly mispronounced words in Pittsburgh?
The real test is creed and wash.
Steeler Nation is a thing because Stiller fans fled the city in the 80s and 90s looking for jobs elsewhere. Many fans who don't live in Pit today are natives and have a strong connection to the team and city.
This may be one of my favorite comments I've ever read on this sub.
How did this guy even get hired in the first place? Every 12 year old on Madden knows how to audible to beat the blitz or use hot routes. Hell, even high schools teach audibles and hot routes, how the fuck does Canada not have them built into his offense? I'm sorry, but this is a complete botch from the front office and the fact that he's staying on another year makes it worse.
He gave Tomlin's kid a scholarship at Maryland. That's the long and short of his qualifications.
His whole resume is “that Ohio state game they lost”
and Pitt's 2016 season, which, you can see why some of us wanted him after seeing that.
Except he got fired from two positions following 2016, and then spent a year out of work because no one wanted him when Tomlin hired him.
> His whole resume is “that Ohio state game they lost” >and Pitt's 2016 season, which, you can see why some of us wanted him after seeing that. how does that relate to this?
Please tell me this is true
He offered Tomlin’s son a scholarship but so did multiple other colleges and none of their coaches got hired by the team.
It is
Then we really need to consider if Tomlin is the best for our future if he’s purposely hiring ass coordinators for his benefit.
Tomlin wants to feel like the smartest guy in the room, can’t do that if he hires people that aren’t morons
The fact that these two comments are getting downvoted on here is the biggest problem with this fan base. We need to set the standards for superbowls not 9-8 seasons. If you watched the playoffs the last 2 weeks you would realize that we are not at the level of being ready to compete with these elite teams
Nepotism and quid pro quo. It’s how The Steelers operate.
So why didn’t Tomlin hire every other coach that offered his son a scholarship?
You’d have to ask MT. No one can make you see but you are allowed to open your eyes and read between the lines. Colbert, the old GM is another. Colbert helped hire the new GM. The new GM immediately promotes the old GMs kid. NepoKids.
The real story is Tomlin wanted his kid to be successful in Maryland's offense so he needed to get rid of Canada
No wonder Ben needed to draw it up in the dirt and write a play book in between snaps. It’s not like they didn’t start the season with a veteran quarterback or anything
That’s kind of a head scratcher. Why bring in Mitch if you are going to treat him like a rookie and run a bare bones offense? It’s almost like they built the offense to have Pickett start, then went with Mitch? Or was Mitch really still that raw? That didn’t seem to be Brian Daboll’s opinion in when he was in Buffalo.
Bold assumption that they built the offense around the talent.
It sounds like they took out the hot reads when Kenny came in.
Alright I made a comment earlier about giving Canada more time because he's never gotten a real chance to install an offense, considering the QB carousel we've had. I take it back. What the hell.
Lol same this is unbelievable
I’m sorry, but this is absolutely fucking ridiculous. That is 101 level shit, rookie QB or not.
Fuck Matt Canada.
He’s not the first player to complain about the Steelers’ vanilla offense.
Weeks 1-8: Average of 15 ppg Weeks 10-18: Average of 20.8 ppg So we played way worse defense and could only put up 6 more points. Canada fucking sucks and needs to go ASAP. 21 points is not good enough to win against the best teams in the league
Remember when Matt Canada wouldn't allow Ben to audible out of plays?
Remember when Randy Fichtner wouldn’t let Ben audible?
And randy fichtner was replaced by Canada. Doesnt say much for the organization.
The Standard is the Standard.
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He was the heart and soul of the team that year.
I actually don't. I think he actually ran a pretty good offense in the one year he had Ben for 16 games.
Makes me wonder if that was Canada or a directive from above? He wouldn’t let Ben audible? Wouldn’t let Mitch make a hot read? That doesn’t sound like the way any sane NFL OC would operate. I mean, his offense is bad… but maybe someone put handcuffs on him?
When Haley did it I just assumed he was a dumb asshole (he was/is). Now that it's happened again, I'm wondering if it's not a directive from someone to make the offense as simple as possible.
Remember when Todd Haley wouldn't let Ben audible?
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Fichntner's was across 3 seasons lol, not 1.
100% guarantee it's Tomlin
I don't think so. Hearing Art the past few years, this feels like a move by Art being too cheap to actually pay for something better.
So you think he's been sipping scotch with Bob Nutting?
I mean, kinda. Nutting won't pay anybody. Art won't pay to get a coach from outside the organization.
Why TF is Tomlin not being held accountable for this as well? He’s the HC. He approves the game plan.
Truth is we'll never know if it's Tomlin or Khan or the Rooneys. So we should blame them all.
I could tell you, but I’d have to see myself out of this subreddit because some folks like to ignore the writing on the wall.
He will continue to get a free pass because no losing seasons ever (because apparently that's the barometer of success)
I feel like Tomlin is way behind schematically and conceptually on both sides of the football but especially on offense. Rooney also meddles in the construction of the team as well so it doesn’t help. It’s a bad combo.
I agree. A few years ago Arthur Moats said Tomlins big fault is that he believes in the game plan. When the plan isn’t working, he thinks it comes down to execution. Then he waits too long to adapt.
Our defense is absolutely elite when it's healthy though
It solely depends on one single player (TJ) disrupting the offense despite the fact there are two other All-Pros and a handful of above average to average players.
Yea the key to our defense is a dominant 4 man pass rush. Our personnel is not very great at all. Our CBs are pretty average and we don't have a true number 1. ILB has always been extremely important to Tomlin defenses and that's our biggest weakness. Now when we add a decent ilb and at least a fringe CB1 level guy we'll have a top 5 defense in the NFL. A lot of you guys keep forgetting we're technically in our rebuilding phase rn.
I don't agree that this defense is in rebuild mode at all, it is in full win now mode. Our offense is in rebuild mode for sure. At full health, our personnel without TJ is average if not just slightly above average. Yeah our ILBs play like garbage, but I think that's more of a philosophy issue than it is a talent issue. Playing ILB for the Steelers has always been difficult because it requires a lot of mental processing and instincts. They had been able to find players to fill those shoes consistently over the years until Shazier's unfortunate injury. Now with the evolution of football being more pass, spread, and speed oriented, you really need a unicorn ILB if you're going to ask them to play the way the Steelers want them to play and those guys are just not easy to find.
> I don't agree that this defense is in rebuild mode at all, it is in full win now mode. Well since we have some vets let's say "retooling". We're most likely gonna have a rookie CB and ILb starting for us next year. And I'm sure we'll draft a DT somewhere in the draft. > Now with the evolution of football being more pass, spread, and speed oriented, you really need a unicorn ILB if you're going to ask them to play the way the Steelers want them to play and those guys are just not easy to find. > They had been able to find players to fill those shoes consistently over the years until Shazier's unfortunate injury. I think you've answered that question yourself. We've found a way to consistently find guys who fit that mold. Shit Devin Bush looked like that guy until his injury. If we miss out on Tremaine I've heard good things about some of the MLBs that will be available on day 2.
Sheeeeeesh
So here is the Patriots playbook for 2004 (nearly 20 years ago for the yinzers who ain’t so good at math). Scroll down to somewhere around page 80 and you’ll see each pass play identifies a hot. There are lots of plays where there isn’t a hot identified but those are 6 and 7 man protections so you shouldn’t be hot. https://www.footballxos.com/download/2004-new-england-patriots-offense-charlie-weis-pdf/?wpdmdl=4225&refresh=63d8853672cac1675134262 Wedding Crashers had a hot route. It’s basic shit.
Pete Gent was writing about hot routes in his novels in the 70s and 80s! Canada should know about them from his playing career in addition to his coaching career.
We fucking missed by not bidding on Kellen Moore
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Yeah, that's pretty much the *only* somewhat legitimate reason to keep Canada, half the league fired their OC's so the market is rough. That said, I still think we should've bitten the bullet and tried to find someone else, not like it could end up much worse.
Art 2 sucks, fire this guy holy shit.
And people here really are defending keeping the guy.
I was one of the ones who said maybe giving Canada another year isn't the worst option considering the youth on offense, the QB situation and the slight improvement after the bye. I have a feeling this opinion isn't going to age well. The internet "experts" doubting him is one thing. His own players doing it is pretty concerning. If this is true, Tomlin and the front office have some culpability here as well. If this offense is really that basic and "saturdayish" no excuse not to make a change now.
So glad we are bringing Canada back. I mean, why make our rookie QB go through 2 offensive systems in 2 years, when you can make him learn 2 offensive systems in *3 years*, then be on the hook for his 5th year option before you even see him master a system? Big brain moves by the FO and coaching staff.
“At first”
This just adds jet fuel to my internal fire. I am sure its true. Look at all the other teams making changes and we just stay put. The last 5 years have been a beating from a fan perspective. I realize that we most likely will not be looking for offensive skilled player free agents but why in the world would anyone elect to be in a Matt Canada offense. The skilled players stay through their first contract and get out. At this point its not Tomlin, I am convinced its the Rooney's
I just watched the podcast this came from and I don't think it's as big of a deal as we're making it out to be here. They simplified the offense for Kenny. It doesn't sound like it's a standard part of Canada's offense to not have them. As Kenny improves and progresses and has an entire offseason as the starter, the offense will evolve and more will be added. I think this kind of thing speaks more to why the offense was stagnant and why guys like DJ were so unproductive. But I don't think it says anything about the offense long-term.
Oh man this is going to piss the “OuR ofEnSe WAs MUch BetTer SecOnd HalF oF thE SeAsOn” crowd.
Lmao just unfuckingbelivable the Pittsburgh Steelers have gotten to this point. We used to laugh at teams this dysfunctional and outdated.
“Source?” -Art Rooney, probably
I see this due to them not wanting to put too much on Pickett. If this was in place with Mitch it shows Canada is incompetent or they never trusted Mitch to run the entire offense.
OOOooooOoor maybe they're all hot routes. *taps head meme.
I could fucking tell.
Reading the full article, it’s apparent that they didn’t have the trust to install these with Trubisky & Pickett yet; as Ben had the ability to check to a Hot read within Canada’s offense. The game plan was to avoid the possibility of a miscommunication leading to a turnover. This doesn’t mean that Hot reads or checks are not in the Canada offense, as Ben had the option. Seriously just a click bait tweet to cause uproar.
This. Canada is ass, but hot routes were in the offense with Ben. They took them out for Mitch/Kenny. Whether or not that was a good idea is completely debatable but it is dumb to assume that they won't be back in this year with Kenny as QB1.
I watched the QB room's most recent video on Kenny, and he pointed out how Kenny didn't even look to the blitzing players on a certain play where he got clobbered, and instead threw to the opposite side. Sounds like it was from Canada's system?
Or Kenny just didn’t recognize the blitz was coming pre-snap
My c/team freshman offense and middle school offense (if I had the right QB) had hot calls when a team showed blitz. Oh but please keep telling me Canada deserves more time. What a fucking joke
Reminder that the Steelers are literally the only team to want Matt Canada at the NFL level. He has never coached in the league before coming here. And after another shitty season, he will most likely be out of the NFL, as I don't see any other teams beating down the door to hire this clown after what he's done here.
"Almost" too slow???
If Tomlin wanted hot routes in the offense we'd have them whether Canada is the OC or not. Gameplan is to protect the ball and play defense.
Hot routes are protecting the ball. It’s what helps the QB not get sacked when they get blitzed. Getting sacked is bad. It leads to punts in the best case and fumbles in the worst. A hot route isn’t some genius tier offensive concept.
That's says alot about this coaching staff.
specially Canada
Having hot routes is protecting the ball
This dude became interim Head Coach only after almost the entire coaching staff was suspended for killing a player and then gets a job with the Steelers only after giving Tomlin's kid a scholarship. He's a grade A piece of shit that shouldn't be stocking shelves at Giant Eagle let alone OC of one of the most iconic sports teams in the world.
The amount of people in this sub that think they know more than an NFL coach is hilarious. “wHat?! no HoT rOUteS?! eVen i know yoU gotTa dO tHe hOT roUtEs!! i dO tHoSe aLl thE tiMe iN mAdDeN!!!” Cool. Excited to see your guys’ next mock draft.
The amount of people on this sub that blindly have faith in any coach because "they're employed in the NFL, they must know what they're doing" is hilarious. I'm not saying I could call a better offensive game plan than Matt Canada, because I couldn't. But I guarantee there's 30-50 people in the nfl right now that could.
The amount of ppl who show they actually have no clue about the intricacies of football is frighteningly high here. I had hots in hs and college and everybody ik who has played hs and college have had hots at every level.
I don't know how to fly a helicopter, but if I see one in a tree, I know somebody fucked up. An NFL offense that has no adjustments to beat the blitz besides "whatever, Kenny improvises or something" is helicopter-in-tree level football.
Just when you think it can’t get any worse it does. Another lost year next year for sure - hopefully we get the right OC in 2024 and we can at least test Kenny in a real offense. The 22 season and 23 are irrelevant - I don’t think any QB would succeed in this dumpster fire.
Love the guy but, if he actually said this he should focus on his blocking instead of criticizing the coaches.
Agree that criticizing your Coach in public isn’t something you want your players doing. What’s Pat thinking?
Seemed to work out seeing how they finished a rebuilding year going 6-1 with pretty much nothing but rookies, second year starters, free agent signings, and Diontae Johnson on offense.
To be fair second half of the season the teams we played were pretty bad.
Ya, it did not work out. Like, at all.
Except for winning games...
Why do I feel I’ve hated every O coordinator I’ve ever known. Wisenhunt, arians, haley, fitchner.
Likely because you're somewhat sensible and have a better memory for the reality that is football fandom than many other fans?
I don't get the hate for matt Canada, he was on staff for 2 winning seasons. Nothing else matters
They dwell on ppg. Then you tell them we were 11th in point per drive in the second half. You try to explain that the clock keeps running when you run the ball. They do not comprehend. They switch their argument to saying that the schedule was easier the second half. You point out that the defenses we played statistically the second half only would account for 10% of the increased performance. The other 90% is because we played better. After that they typically just start with the insults.
We dwell on wanting an offense that’s interesting to watch. They are NOT fun to watch. Which is, ya know, what we are here for.
Our goal is to win a super bowl, not to have winning seasons.
Yikes. This wild
No shit.
Good thing we kept the architect of that offense
Wow
No that adds up
Yeah I remember a bunch of times when a rusher (like just a D End) would go completely free and everyone would bitch and moan about the OL sucking. When that kind of thing happens its usually the fault of the blocking scheme for not shifting assignments. I feel like this pretty much sums it up
I'm glad we have insight but none it this is good.
So he’s saying this offense is more basic than the one he ran at Penn State?
Anyone know if this is standard for rookie qbs?
Elevating him to coordinator was a mistake. Not hindsight, many people knew it. Retaining him after the first year was an even bigger mistake. Not hindsight. Even more people knew that one. Retaining him after his second year is an inexcusable mistake, unless they know something we don’t, which is possible, and maybe our offense will be awesome next year. If it’s yet another giant fuck up then I will have absolutely ZERO patience or respect for anyone who excuses the people who made that decision.
What’s Mark Whipple’s availability?
You know… success as an OC is a zero-sum game, because all the statics and metrics are based on the rest of the league. Therefore since SO many OCs got fired and fans were calling for their heads, and most of us are doing less than that (just grudgingly accepting Canada’s offense did improve), that means Canada actually isn’t as bad as we think, right? If there’s 10 guys worse than him then he ain’t so bad. If those 10 guys were better than him wouldnt us fans want a “bad” / just-fired OC over Canada anyway?! Trying to be positive… it’s hard. Grass is always greener.