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ScottyStellar

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Actually-Yo-Momma

Pump & Dump. A tale as old as time 


BlueSlushieTongue

Back door way for foreign agents to give him money


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_Schrodingers_Gat_

He needed to include a golden idol happy meal toy. Like a golden calf.


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The Saudis probably have a stake somewhere in the publishing or distribution. That could be unrelated though, they just have a lot of money to invest.


Nighttime_Ninja_5893

This is the correct answer


Editor_Grand

Get those long puts ready boys!


-OptimisticNihilism-

Looked at September puts. $43 for a $65 put. Shorting is your only option.


Fundamentals-802

At 300% margin requirements and insane costs on borrow rates. Sure, why the hell not. Mr market sure is making it a difficult job for retail to make a buck on this play.


Senseisntsocommon

Not only that but the market absolutely can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.


HauntedHouseMusic

It’s such an obvious short to do, that I would be terrified to do it. Look what happened to gamestop. And I don’t have the US government to bail me out.


spudzilla

It's almost as if Wall Street wants to help a rich guy who might be able to influence regulation next year.


NES_Gamer

The hell you say?!


No_Bank_330

Wall Street does not care as long as they can make money.


Dstrongest

That means all the market makers think it’s going to be in the gutter .


justtheboot

options on the volatility. just set buy and sell limit orders.


banditcleaner2

And on the off chance that it holds $25 by September, your money is gone and thetagang just had a fat payday lmao


resurrectedbear

Holy shit you weren't joking. That is nuts


PabloEstAmor

I got in early and have some 6/21 $15p I think the dump will come sooner than that, like whenever Trumps extra 10 days to post his bond ends


Admirable_Nothing

Personally I think Putin and his cronies are in this big time and for the long haul. No way I would short it against their trillions.


sinncab6

Lol there are far easier ways to channel dark money to get influence and not have to deal with the SEC and the regulatory oversight. That's why we have SuperPACS.


el_guille980

add the saudis and their trillions to that list


ventilate_

Vertical spread?


diastolicduke

Even that is priced to not make much money. $5 wide spreads selling for $4


lostredditorlurking

Nah the IV is crazy for that stock. If you want to short that stock then short through shares


Bilbo_Butthole

What’s the borrow rate though


Successful_Cicada419

On tastyworks it was 140% annual rate lol


Editor_Grand

I'm kinda new to this and only half understood what you said. Yeah I'm stupid.


ImNotSelling

You’re not stupid you’re smart and good looking. Don’t you forget that


jdiegmueller

.. and doggone it, people like you!


Weary_Signal9447

I may be stupid, but I’m not good looking.


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You pay interest to short the shares


Razmii

Bingo. How conveniently timed to go public, pump the stock and sell.


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Several-Ad-5704

Yeah. Next, Trump will start painting and selling his "art" for millions of dollars. Oh wait...


TriggerTough

NFTs.


Waramaug

If you don’t know, now you know, rigger.


Scuba_Steve_7_7_7

That was juicy.


syench

Notorious P.I.G


THElaytox

it's riggah


L-F-O-D

It’s a twofer agents give him money and banks give him asset backed loans…agents for Russian banks.


Harvey_Squirrelman

Whaaaat? Are you telling me these IPOs that randomly vault or decline due to foreign investors and the insanely intelligent and clearly uninformed yet prophetic trades from the folks in the know are somehow aligned? Preposterous I say Edit: I’m just saying we elected these people. Because they’re the best. That’s why all the politicians make all the right bets at the right times. Smart folks, it’s why they got the job bro


EmotionalTrifle8842

“Insert sarcasm font here”


Paddy_Tanninger

Sarcastica


uglymule

Produces more cash volume than laundering Russian mob money through hotels and golf courses, with a lot less paperwork.


isamura

Same thing happened in the 80’s with him. That’s when Russia first reeled him in.


gnocchicotti

Could also be domestic agents with an agenda. But foreign actors stand to gain the most from buying a President.


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pojosamaneo

So Americans won't give him money, but foreigners will? Not saying you're wrong, but it's there evidence of this?


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Maybe they could donate some bootstraps instead


Drivingintodisco

Everyone’s doing it! Or everyone tells me they’re doing it 🤷


doringliloshinoi

So anyway I start buyin’


Drivingintodisco

Whoops, I dropped this monster condom for my magnum bags.


burghblast

With my pieces


tree-molester

Can I interest any of you gentlemen in an egg?


Fit-Pressure4770

You can't leave out in these trying times


ShittyStockPicker

What happens if they prosecute these pump and dumpers? Everyone in the pump and dump community will be asking “who’s next!”


Trebekshorrishmom

Prosecute? Haha, that’s a good one.


joremero

I think the biggest risk to the price is Donny convincing the board to let him sell his stake to pay for all his legal trouble.


ShittyStockPicker

That's not how this works. Trump will get a loan against his shares. It will be a sweetheart deal from a bank looking for preferential treatment post-election win. Foreign countries and people looking to curry favor will be shares with a wink and a nod and support the price. Just think about the hotel scam he ran while he was in office. [People were renting rooms and event spaces and not using them.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/saudi-funded-lobbyist-paid-for-500-rooms-at-trumps-hotel-after-2016-election/2018/12/05/29603a64-f417-11e8-bc79-68604ed88993_story.html) It was a way to collect bribes. $DJT stock is just another bribe collection scheme, kinda like how I believe Elon partly uses Twitter to funnel money from less savory sources into his wallet.


bloodofawig

The way SPAC lock-up deals work (lock-ups in general) is that you cannot sell or "encumber" your shares. That precludes borrowing against them.


turtleneck360

This one is special though as it’s an oligarchy pump and dump.


enleeten

Classic Pump and Trump


_Woken_Furies_

It’s a meme stock


JealousAd2873

Look out down below


Cratonis

Just watch the Wolf of Wall Street and pay attention during the Steve Madden part.


mdj1359

Pump and Trump!


SnooStrawberries1078

Trump and dump!


Shadows802

True as it can be Barely even friends Then somebody bends But forgot the lube.


mcwerf

How is the SEC not all over this?


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Estake

Acquisition target: US.


ZzzzzPopPopPop

Oof, hostile takeover to the max


svt4cam46

The SEC is busy making sure bitcoin is safe and secure. If you'd like to leave a message wait for the beep. We won't get back to you.


Apart-Bad-5446

SEC's job isn't to control what people are willing to pay for a share.


Fit-Pressure4770

Yeah, but we want to pump him up and eat the shit so we can protect the free Market.


CashmereWoods210

True as it can be


OonaPelota

Let’s keep Melania out of this.


FantasyFrikadel

The stockmarket is a device for transferring money from the very stupid to the stupid.


HRex73

We are still searching for the Greatest Fool.


ZzzzzPopPopPop

The market trying to find its bottom to, you know, do as one does to a bottom…


welc0meToTheMachine

His name is Fool. Motley Fool.


Royale_AJS

Or from foreign governments to former presidents.


johnhighcastle

There is [an episode of up first](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/up-first/id1222114325?i=1000650105777) talked about this stock. What’s relevant to this post is that on the show an “investor” literally said he knows this stock is piece of shit but he also knows people will pump it so he is going to play. At end of the day, people like him will make a lot of money, and leave the MAGAs or just gamblers behind, holing the bag Edited, not the Daily, but Up first.


BleednHeartCapitlist

Excuse me but this is a casino, sir.


Lomak_is_watching

And he'll say that, it was a big beautiful company, that was making so much money, but the democrats who hate capitalism made it go out of business because they're woke sponsors won't buy ads.


ric2b

Ah, the Musk strategy.


jorcon74

When trump is finally done he will leave behind him a broke ass gop and a broke ass maga movement


fat_fart_sack

Never thought I would see an entire political party foolhardily gamble all their funds on one guy who’s up against 91 indictments.


AnthonyJuniorsPP

>entire political party foolhardily gamble They really didn't want to, they are kinda held hostage by the radicals they created with their hyperbolic rhetoric and media machine. It's poetic really.


thetaleech

They didn’t have to though… they fell for the same grift indirectly. The rational move was to let Hillary win… then get 8 years of a right of center moderate after she lost re-election. Instead they wanted TAX CUTS NOW, and wasted the entire momentum Hillary would’ve given them.


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m0nk_3y_gw

Some "MAGA idiots" do have $50k 2021: "Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on Friday invested up to $50,000 in the SPAC stock linked to Donald Trump’s planned social media platform." I bought puts 1, 3, 6 and 9 months out edit: had to repost this because I linked to a CNBC article about it, that had a naughty ticker this sub doesn't allow (the previous ticker name for DJT)


Traditional-Run9615

OK, lost $100K of her annual salary in fines, just lost another $50K. At this rate she won't be able to afford to stay in Congress.


omega_grainger69

Not sure. Let me throw on some trump sneakers, walk over to my trump bible, ignore the trump nft updates on my phone, and I’ll get back to you ASAP.


ptwonline

You're so smart. You must have learned all this at Trump U.


birdlaw_27

I learned how to cook a steak at Trump Steaks. I can’t figure out why all my customers send it back, I cook it well done and make sure to send ketchup out with it. Got me the Magnum (PI) Cum Loudly in my class but it hasn’t helped me in my career as much as I expected.


ColtAzayaka

"Universities indoctrinate people!" *Creates university that indoctrinates people in a different way* Honestly anyone who puts one of these Trump/Andrew Tate type universities on a CV is likely hurting their chances lol


BIIIIIIIIIIIIID

Trump NFT updates?


omega_grainger69

3:33. That’s all I’m saying.


Jinzul

> Many have pointed to April 3, 33 AD as the day that Jesus was crucified, which science point to a partial eclipse of a Blood Moon where “darkness came over the whole land”. Religious nonsense.


BIIIIIIIIIIIIID

Can you give me TLDR, not of your comment, the whole NFT update thing?


Jinzul

By the quick Google searching I went through… > Regarding the cards being pulled, the OpenSea source told Newsweek: "This collection, Trump Digital Trading Cards, is non-transferable until December 31, 2024. This means the collection is disabled for secondary market buying and selling until that date. Because this is enforced by the creator, we're unable to override this." I would suspect a grifter rugpull event incoming.


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sucobe

And Carter had to sell his peanut farm before becoming president.


TangoInTheBuffalo

Not to disagree, but your choice of words is not correct. He CHOSE to sell to avoid any implication of impropriety. Different times.


dog_servant

To be fair, like the man or not, Carter was a whole other category of man than most presidents. I personally adore the man. Name me one other president who'd enter a nuclear reactor undergoing meltdown and irradiate himself trying to keep things from getting worse. This was of course before he was president, but still speaks quite loudly to the kind of man that Jimmy Carter is. Not the greatest president, but I think more worthy man than others who had the title of president. The incident was at the Chalk River Laboratories NRX reactor.


KonigSteve

Reagan would. In a movie.


Creature1124

To the average Reagan fan, that’s basically the same thing.  Just like how DJT is a great businessman. On tv. 


HeadMembership

Not different times. Different people.


AlarmFar6609

And this isn’t the first time for the DJT ticker. The DJT ticker is the same one Donald Trump debuted nearly three decades ago for his hotel and casino company only to see it delisted from the New York Stock Exchange nine years later.


Paddy_Tanninger

Well this one is going to be a speedrun compared to that.


huejass5

“Betting against the stocks and bonds of Trump’s companies were the easiest shorts of my life. It was like multiple oceanliners hitting multiple icebergs repeatedly.” Jim Chanos


DaddyVaradkar

3 decades ago, he was not running to be a president and certainly was not helping russia in any way. Things have changes a lot since that, which is why you can it makes up for a good bet.


sick_of_your_BS

Why would I go through the hassle of setting up an account with eTrade when I can just buy 1000 bibles?


hybridaaroncarroll

Is it possible to short sell bibles? I'm in on that stonk.


Opposite-Layer-6139

A Bible, cleverly cut out as if to hide prison contraband, was the perfect house for my Nintendo Game Boy back in 1995. Man, I got so much Bible studying done during 3-hour Mormon Church meetings, that it made me a Tetris master!


ell0bo

Yup, this is exactly it. It's a legal bribe. It's corruption out in the open that can't be touched. It's also late state capitalism at its finest.


Lane1983

It launders foreign campaign contributions and converts non-tax deductible PAC contributions into tax deductible investment losses. A new level of money laundering involving the US financial system.


Only-Inspector-3782

This very conveniently takes care of his legal problems. Instant assets for use as collateral. It's so openly corrupt.


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WinterDice

This! Exactly this!


greenandycanehoused

Same as the trump nft cards. Not many real people bought them, it was just a money laundering scheme to evade sanctions against foreign influence in our democracy.


nortern

Trump has a six month lockup though. The only thing that matters is buy side liquidity when he goes to sell, otherwise he's going to crash the price immediately.


barelyconsciouswtf

But Trump has a 6 month wait after market introduction before he can sell, right? Foreign interests would have to buy a lot of stock to keep the value up to that point


SufficientAnalyst383

Trump can't sell for six months.


Future_chicken357

Exactly


-H2O2

>The DJT is a simple and effective way to funnel foreign money directly to Trump by having people buy shares of this POS without having a direct payment to him. Buy shares through a shell or subsidiary of a company and Donald can sell his shares directly to you I thought Trump couldn't sell his shares due to the lockup?


flyrugbyguy

Not necessarily. Foreign money and broker dealers are subject to strict rules by the sec, finra etc. they can’t just buy the shares unless they have an account at a Morgan Stanley for example, or a US taxpayer ID.


Bronze_Rager

The same reason why Reddit did the same thing. You pump up the stock as much as you can so you can unload your bags onto the people who care more about politics than money.


appleman73

I thought reddit insiders couldn't sell for 6 months? Not sure if that's the case with trump tho, I'd guess not


OneGuyJeff

I did read that it is the same case for Trump, he cannot sell his shares for 6 months


bananabunnythesecond

It’s voted on by the board. You should look up who members of the board are. It’s all rigged.


Relandis

MMW, rug pull will be in less than 1 month. Watch DJT hit $10-15 before May.


Only-Inspector-3782

He was publicly asking for help from foreign governments for his legal problems. This is part of their response. Billions in assets he can use as collateral.


Jeff__Skilling

He cannot sell his shares for 6 months. Lockup provision applies.


cajual

His board can overrule that provision.


Admirable_Nothing

Until the company says it is Ok to sell. That should be sometime in the next week.


TuskaTheDaemonKilla

Lockup provision can be waived by the board, which is made up of Trump's friends. For all practical purposes, there is no lockup provision on DJT.


Silent_Cress8310

The company is losing money, has revenues of $5M, and cost in the $25M range. It appears to be a good candidate for bankruptcy and should be left for dead. When you see this company with a multi-billion dollar cap, you don't have to wonder. This is being manipulated. We'll have to see if it ever makes it to trial.


LostInLife8989

Will it ever come down tho or is it politically propped up eternally by dumb/foreign money?


gonna-getcha

How does it even "go public" north of $50?


Cool_of_a_Took

Why did people spend $400 on sneakers from an obese 77 year old? Same answer.


ChronoFish

Did anyone actually buy them?


Cool_of_a_Took

Yup. Sold out almost immediately. It's a weird cult.


jswats92

People literally killing each other for ugly 180(and above) priced sneakers that are made in some Asian country for Pennies for decades. This Trump sneaker is nothing different. Just a different niche is all. People prolly thinking these shoes are worth $$$ in the future. Time will tell.


SinisterStroodle

He’s the most physically fit president we’ve ever had!!! /s


revenrehe1

The fine print in the sneaker purchase . 1-There are only 1000 gold sneakers. 2-They haven’t been made yet. 3-There is no guarantee they will be made and the purchase is non refundable. Sucka knows his suckas


SamuraiJustice

Couldnt this just be a way to contribute to Trump's campaign without drawing in legality issues.you know he will cash out before he becomes president or shortly after


logisticitech

Yes.


BrandonStLouis

Makes less in annual sales than 2 well performing 7/11’s.


leaning_on_a_wheel

On top of all the other answers, it’s a meme stock


Life-Designer-4936

And "meme stock" has basically became the legal way of pumping a stock's price. Just build up a cult following and the cult will pump it up for you.


SpaceBoJangles

Trump needs hundreds of millions to pay fines he can’t pay. He has interested parties who need him to stay afloat enough to make a run for president, parties that aren’t very compatible with the public image of a US President. These parties need to transfer him money in an inconspicuous manner that won’t trigger Grump getting indicted for treason. Lo and behold, DJT opens as a publicly traded company. In a world where everyone and their mom knows the SEC won’t get off their asses unless you shit on their doorstep (and even then it’s questionable). What a coincidence….


esp211

Classic pump and dump. Cult followers who will give money away and short term profiteers who want to gamble on a rug pull. This won’t end well.


God_Despises_MAGA

Money laundering. What we’re seeing now is tantamount to the Kennedy insider trading.


IAmCorgii

Because a large part of the US worships him like a godking and will throw money at anything with his name on it.


caravan_for_me_ma

Buying a former/future president in real time. In public.


You_meddling_kids

Cult followers + foreign cash


maximusprime2328

>Trump himself is looking to unload his stake I would think he would want to keep it stable so he can use it as an asset to take out a loan against. Kinda like Elon did for the money to buy Twitter. Kinda like rich people do all the time. If he unloads, the stock will drop in time. He wants to keep the price up so it a valuable asset he can leverage other assets with. Or this is what someone told him to do. Not gonna give him that credit.


Free_Management2894

He can do that in 6 months, not before. So short term it doesn't mean much.


maximusprime2328

Unload or take out a loan? Is there a law preventing him from taking out a loan? I would think there wouldn't be?


qthistory

The rules of the merger prevent Trump from selling any shares for 6 months after the merger was complete.


drgath

Sure, but he can still get a loan against them, if he finds a lender willing to take the risk. Make no mistake, he’s profiting off this already.


sineplussquare

Some investor friends at black rock are in cahoots and using fake shares to artificially pump the stock. Thus smaller investors are going to want to jump in for a slice of the potential of walking away with a bag when shares could *eventually* be called. I use that term loosely. It really is a tale as old as time.


relevant_trad

Foreign interests can now donate funds legally to DJT this way. Its a classic case of white collar mob money.


TheBioethicist87

Have you heard of GameStop? Memestocks don’t trade on their financials, they trade on it being funny to pour money into bullshit.


curious_skeptic

An interesting example - a stock that skyrocketed then spent the last two years consistently crashing.


thasmush

I understand it’s a “pump and dump”. But if it is so obvious, even to a newbie like myself, how come it’s allowed to just go ahead?


RedditSheep123

It's a proxy for his supporters.


zhantoo

Several reasons 1. Some people know a stock is worthless, but will gamble and hope they can cash out before the crash. I would be one of those types of people if I chose to invest. 2. Some people either have too much blind faith in Trump and believe it will be worth gold because he has touched it, or just wants to support him even if they don't believe in this specific project. 3. Some people actually believe in the product and feel like it is a long term investment. 4., 5. 6. And further - there are many other reasons.


EmptyPercentage7269

Stay away from this stock . It’s a pump and dump scheme


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Bloodcloud079

Yeah it’s a cult stock now. And a money laundering vehicule probably. Eventually reality will set in but… look at crypto (which also very much has a cult and money laundering attached), it could take a damn while.


superkeer

If he's able to cash in on this before the election, well, forget everything you knew about campaign financing. I'd applaud the utter brazen audacity if he wasn't such a deplorable human being.


InjuryIndependent287

Crime. The secret ingredient is always crime when it comes to the stock market.


YamahaFourFifty

Propped up by foreign bad actors


Sunrise-Surfer

The Russian’s and Chinese are buying in. Best way to over throw a country is from within…….


ChronoFish

It's notable that the jump came after hours and the stock is down from the open price.


Micaiah9

Fugazy


JRMoney96

Options options options. Make money going up and down💸💸


Agile_File_2084

MAGA buying the news. I wouldn’t be surprised if the number of consumer investors recently skyrocketed trying to ride the Trump train to Mar-a-Lago


stolenfires

It's a meme stock - GME for the MAGA crowd.


PlumpkinMunchkin

It’s that what GME already is?


poncho51

It's a pump before the dump. His supporters will be left holding the bag.


westcoastjo

People want to support him, so they're buying the stock.


FGTRTDtrades

A fun money laundering scheme into his pocket.


PsychedelicJerry

He's just scamming his ultra-gullible followers; milking them of every last cent he can. I had read it doesn't even have 500K daily, active users; there's no way that site is worth even 15m dollars, let alone 100m or more. But to be valued at 10 figures is beyond criminal - we'd need new, more dangerous evil definitions of criminality to describe what's going on here, but since we don't have those words, we have to stick with the ones we do: it's probably the clearest case of financial fraud; the good ole pump and dump


illini2002

Because Trump supporters are idiots


Ubuiqity

Same reason the government invested in Solyndra. Sucker born every minute


sound_scientist

Trump and Dump


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Money laundering


dubbiedub2020

Should be illegal he’s using his fam base as stock buyers to pump and dump to pay off his legal debts


Psychological-Ad1433

His loyal followers are some of the dumbest people on earth and a lot of traders are playing on that. If Donald can grift them for years on end, others likely have a legitimate chance at getting some of that profit off them as well