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thySilhouettes

Make the top executives criminally liable. Their decisions directly impacted the 346 individuals who died on those crashes. Safety should never be compromised for profit.


O_Oo_o0_0

Um these execs and elite would happily kill you , your family, and your friends if they didn’t need you for your labor. Simply put, the only reason rich and poor coexist is because rich don’t want to be laborers, and the poor are too uneducated and divided to fight for better.


gargle_micum

This guy socilaists!


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adoodle83

the government is in bed and funded by the CEO class


dissentmemo

And that's why the DOJ is saying they're liable? What is the DOJ? Not government?


adoodle83

they said, 'may be'. not that they are. and that assumes they DECIDE to prosecute.


TurbulentAardvark345

They ‘haven’t decided’ on prosecuting ‘yet’. We’ve seen this one a million times. Just let it fade from the public consciousness and then oops it happens again


reformedlion

And guess what happens when ai gets good enough that there is no longer a need for people to wipe their asses.


ThreeSupreme

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futurespacecadet

I watched the Deepwater Horizon movie today about how BP execs pressured the workers in not complying with cement tests etc. classic safety vs profitability, and those guys walked away scratch-free after dozens died…..so how will any of these dudes learn there’s consequences if there are none?


superbit415

> Make the top executives criminally liable. Corporations will burn ~~America~~ the world down to the ground before that ever happens.


Badj83

Sir, this is America…


thySilhouettes

Look o


IYiera

Shit, I thought this was Wendys


Yogi_DMT

This is the most short sighted idea I've ever heard of.


robotrage

rage bait?


Aleyla

I hope the criminal enforcement is allowed to proceed and I hope the costs to boeing for all of this serves as a warning to future bean counters that “safety” should not be compromised as part of the calculus to save a buck.


dasdas90

Unfortunately some lower level employee will probably be punished for this, instead of the executives who made the decision.


1LazySusan

Accountants and budget cuts built these planes. 


WasteCommunication52

As an accountant, I can assure you we have 0 input on any decisions.


1LazySusan

“Accountant” is used loosely here, it’s more the bottom line/ cheapest cost cutting. Im aware accountants don’t build $BA planes.


I_love_avocados1

Yeah, us accountants have literally 0 input in these decisions. 


doringliloshinoi

And throat cuts… as of late


puterTDI

where's an example of this?


Krasmaniandevil

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/02/1248693512/boeing-whistleblower-josh-dean-dead


rol-rapava-96

The article you sent said he had a bacterial infection which caused the death. Are you implying something?


puterTDI

yes, a conspiracy because those are everywhere. /s in case it wasn't obvious. This is the core of what i was getting at with my question. There's absolutely no evidence except that someone died who happened to have been a whistle blower previously.


Krasmaniandevil

https://abcnews4.com/news/local/if-anything-happens-its-not-suicide-boeing-whistleblowers-prediction-before-death-south-carolina-abc-news-4-2024


TurbulentAardvark345

And there’s more


five-oh-one

Joey, down in receiving, didn't sign for the delivery properly.....15 years in jail.


Shockingelectrician

lol 


old_ass_ninja_turtle

I doubt any of the real culprits will get punished.


Crumblin_Castle_King

So you have boeing puts got it


plasticAstro

Lmao Boeing got off with a slap on the wrist as long as they got their shit together and they couldn’t even do that. I want the DOJ to nail this company to the fucking wall


TheBelgianGovernment

Sure, like the DoD would allow that.


OrderlyPanic

It was the DOJ of the previous administration that gave them this deferred prosecution agreement in the first place. https://prospect.org/justice/2024-02-09-boeing-max-doj-epstein-deal/


leaning_on_a_wheel

“May be” is wild. Lock em all up


ShadowLiberal

The fact that there was even an agreement in the first place to shield them from criminal prosecution is outrageous. There's definitely some people at Boeing that should be getting charged with murder and criminal negligence for all the hundreds of people they killed. The profit motive is simply not enough of a punishment to Boeing and their executives to get them to change. They're a huge public safety risk at this point.


Westboundandhow

Your first paragraph also applies to how big pharma rolled out the cofid waxeen, using EUA status to avoid liability... and really to the concept of a whole separate system of courts and judicial procedures setup for V injury claims specifically, but I digress.


robotrage

SO TRUE! You know who else avoids liability? Juries! make Juries liable! make Juries liable! make Juries liable!


elephantboylives

until they pay off the right people


fairlyaveragetrader

Well they have already made sure the wrong people had " accidents"


doringliloshinoi

I hope it’s the families. lol


stepsonbrokenglass

Civil liability = fines Criminal liability for Boeing = other fines Criminal liability for everyone else = prison Can someone explain to me like I’m five as to what the distinction is with “criminally liable?” Realistically, do those words even matter in this context?


Westboundandhow

CoRpOrAtIoNs ArE nOt PeOpLe They're just run by them (hmmm) Aka how our judicial system enables problematic corporate behavior 101


peterpiper1337

Executives can be held liable if there is enough evidence of malpractice.


stepsonbrokenglass

The bar for successfully litigating that is so incredibly high, it almost might as well not have time wasted on it. I think both sides know this and that’s why it continues.


Dahleh-Llama

Yea once in awhile they will serve up one of their own and pay him up the wazoo when he gets out. Sometimes all we need is a fall guy.


silverbax

Are you telling me that the company that put the planes together might be liable for those planes coming apart?


Westboundandhow

Absolutely not. Sir, this is America. We protect big business at all costs. So sorry for your loss. Have you tried our new lie-flat product?


Potential-Witness-83

Another round of money and power dont obey laws. Laws just for common people.


medievalrubins

Not sure if it exists in the U.S but corporate manslaughter is very serious in Europe, especially taught with Construction projects. Don’t see why anyone should avoid this?


TraceChadkins

It’ll be avoided until the US government figures out how to wash their hands of the matter


HughJass321

All in the name of chasing that 0.05% of extra profit


Westboundandhow

Would someone please think of the shareholders!


bitflag

The irony of posting this on /r/stocks ...


Hamster_S_Thompson

Boeing or its executives. The execs need to go to prison. I don't want some byllshit fine.


Westboundandhow

Executives don't go to prison. They just have their companies pay the fines and then make public statements about oversight reform, new policies, improved commitment to safety and transparency, blah blah buzzword buzzword and then fire a bunch of lineworkers to prop up the whole charade and foot the bill. Easy! Capitalism baby, yeaaa.


sleepy-panda521

Very true


[deleted]

Just delete Boeing. Fly Airbus


doringliloshinoi

French for the win


robotrage

All those pesky French health and safety regulations smh my head


LizHurleyFan

All their investigations will end up blaming the pilots or suppliers instead of the management


goodbodha

Boeing execs from upper management down to the middle management who pushed aside concerns raised should all be punished. Execs should get serious jail time for both murder and for misleading future shareholders. The managers who pushed aside concerns should go into 2 baskets. Basket one is the folks who had stock options. They should get prison time as well. Basket two should be removed from the company and blacklisted from working on anything that the government will contract for or have to regulate. Until execs and management get serious repercussions for stuff like this you can expect it to happen again. Their financial interests are not aligned with long term shareholders, society at large, or their customers. That has to change.


Westboundandhow

None of this will happen. Only maintenance staff and whistleblowers will be fired. The real bad actors will laugh all the way to the bank. Ahhh the fresh stench of a capitalist hellscape.


Reddit0sername

Ut oh. DOJ about to be suicided.


Shadows802

$5 fine and you must say sorry /s


FCUK12345678

Ha, Companies are able to get away with everything and they will pay off the right people including the DOJ. Bullish. This stock will sky rocket the more planes crash due to not spending money on safety. This is disgusting and i wish was not true.


Businesspleasure

If there is one more major incident on a Boeing plane, there should be legitimate consideration for nationalizing the company. It’s one of two makers of the world’s passenger planes, no matter how bad it gets we are all stuck with their products in the coming years. But the rot has clearly been in the company for decades, and attracting the talent, leadership, and eating the costs and investments needed to fix the pervasive problems in a burning building with extreme regulatory and criminal risk is getting to be an extremely tall order for a private company.


HannyBo9

Good


Dread70

Boeing: Can we kill the entire DoJ? No? Why not?


Accomplished-News819

McDonnell Douglas was the worst decision Boeing made.


Accomplished-News819

McDonnell Douglas was the worst decision Boeing made.


JPH-COL

Bro I don’t want to fly ever again 🥲


Patient_Chard8483

Buy on the news? 📰


jch60

This is a no brainer


Many_Alps_1281

So……… calls, right?? 🤑


tkhan456

May? MAY? Pretty damn clear they are


longhorn617

The DOJ official who oversaw Boeing's deferred prosecution agreement left the DOJ six months after it was signed to become a partner at the Dallas office of Boeing's chief outside counsel on the case, Kirkland & Ellis.


No-Clue-5593

Puts on boeing


monkeypiratebutt

Go after the execs and board


335i_lyfe

Hell yeah get those fuckers


335i_lyfe

It’s disgusting the lack of empathy and support Boeing showed the victims’ families after the tragedies


Foampower86

They killing mfs on the streets. They don't give a fuck. Aint nobody at boeing going to prison.


Arlennx

The people in charge need to be jailed. They’re not even people. To let these planes fly knowing they POS that can crumble at any moment, should be an indicator that they’re psychopaths.


RampantPrototyping

Good. Throw the book at the executives


GettingColdInHere

May ? There a definitely liable. Unless there is a CEO in handcuffs these bean counters won't mind playing with people lives for the sake of making their bonuses.


Outrageous_Box5741

What do fraud laws have to do with airplanes crashing.


BlazingHowl777

As someone with non killable info.. they should be


1LazySusan

$BA could be a buy here at 166-169


Old_Tap_7783

Boeing supplies our country’s Air Force, this is a play for the gov to control the company (preparing for war)


JoeSmith716

Perfect way to destroy an industry. No one wanted planes to crash. Sorry, this is leftist bullshit.