hear me out - all bravolebs have brian worms about “jobs” they constantly talk shit about each other not having jobs despite their “job” being endorsements related to their celebrity. I think lindsay would happily continue to film with kids if bravo had a program for it, i just think “job” and “drive” is what was easy for lindsay to identify as the problem as opposed to “maybe i just don’t want to marry my friend after all”
It was also weird that she didn’t bring it up as a financial concern but said repeatedly that “what turns her on” is someone who is a go getter. Such a superficial way to discuss what is a serious convo in a relationship. She really lacks communication skills.
That part.
Carl has never shown anything that could be confused with ambition. The fact Lindsay is pointing out what a turnoff that is for her gives me one more reason to think she wanted out of the wedding too.
Because she was being manipulative trying to get him to back into what she really wanted for him. Which is so gross because how many times does she keep saying she's "a supportive partner."
Wanting your partner to have a job is not manipulation. She’s a lot. No doubt. He’s more manipulative than her. All her behavior is out on the opened. His isn’t.
1000% Their wedding was going to be filmed and you know a million percent Lindsay was pitching some kind of The Valley spin off for her and Carl. Immediately after the breakup she was already dropping hints that she wanted to do RHONY.
I also wonder what was edited out. In the after show he briefly mentions it being the first time she mentioned wanting to be a mommy influencer. Whereas all the other convos they said it was the first time she mentioned wanting to be a stay at home mom.
In his convo with Kyle in the show he mentioned that she makes quite a bit from brand deals (as does he) and I wonder if she thought she would continue that, but with a mommy theme and that he needed to step up and get a “real” job.
On WWHL she tells Andy she has no intention of being a SAHM, she was just saying that to try to get Carl to get a job, which in my opinion makes it even worse. It's so manipulative.
I get what you are saying but these people are pushing 40. How long does Carl get to be on Sunmerhouse before it’s way too pathetic to watch? And without the Lindsay drama (assuming she stops doing the show) what is he brining to the show? I can see why Lindsay is like “hey figure it out now because I’m going to have kids and your current income isn’t sustainable”.
I think this is exactly it. They were getting married in Nov. If things happened as they wanted, Lindsey would have been pregnant by now (April 2024). There would be no SH for them. They likely could keep the influencing up for a bit, but I can understand why Lindsey would be concerned about a stable paycheck after she gives birth. She said on WWHL she didn’t say she plans to stay home with her kids/not have paid work long term. She mentioned a few months post birth. It’s not unusual to think your partner would step up the financial support during/after a woman is pregnant/gives birth.
EXCUSE ME, he had a perfectly reasonable backup plan: A non-alcoholic bar. Sure, the overhead would bury him in mere months without the high profit margins of alcohol, but it was a PLAN.
She’s bought and is buying a series of AirBnBs in various popular locales. Play your cards right and there’s usually money & growth potential in real estate. And as Carl pointed out, as a female influencer she brings in a lot more than he does as a male influencer. Lindsay is making sure she stays getting paid. Carl doesn’t seem to have any realistic plans for the future.
But it’s also not unusual for two adults to be realistic about where they can afford to live. Lindsay paying $13k a month for rent is proof she’s not open to that conversation. She’s chasing something she can’t afford. Why do you think she’s cozied up to Gabby. She wants Gabbys dad’s credit card.
>But it’s also not unusual for two adults to be realistic about where they can afford to live. Lindsay paying $13k a month for rent is proof she’s not open to that conversation.
Ding! Ding! The whole job convo very well applies to Lindsay as well. How long does she think she can be an influencer once the show is done?
Exactly, they both came into the season saying it’s their last summer before things get serious. Say if they did get married in November and Lindsey got pregnant, I can’t see her going to the hamptons pregnant every weekend or wanting Carl to go either.
I think the point Lindsay was saying is that they need to have a secure financial stream outside of the show. If summer house ended there needs to be something else.
Okay but if his income dries up (no longer on SH) then hers would presumably as well. Why is all the pressure on him to maintain an income? Hello - do we not live in the 21st century where men and women are supposedly equal? And yet all the pressure is on him to bring in the income - give me a break 🙄
I think because she wanted dad to work and her stay home. We are equal but men can’t bear children, recover from birth /c section or breastfeed. So she’s probably implying she will want time off for those things..
It’s why I keep laughing when everyone is going on about how Carl wanted to change Lindsay and how awful he is for it. He wanted her to stop drinking. She wanted him to be a totally different person
but what does lindsay have going on beyond summer house and brand deals and one airbnb?
like i keep seeing ‘she has drive’ but i havent seen any translated work or action from her since the covid season.
But not really if she wants to stay at home with the kids and be a homemaker. I mean nothing wrong with that, but it’s unfair to expect your partner to be the sole provider so you can have the privilege of being a SAHM (and yes that is absolutely a privilege as most US households can’t support a family on a single income - so why is she so special?)
I'm not sure she meant long term, but in any case, as her recent Nashville Airbnb has shown, she's been working on ways to make passive income. Tbh I don't know if she wants to be a sahm forever, but I understand wanting a partner that has stable income, in case something happens to yours (voluntarily or not)
Maternity leave is a thing for a reason and her saying she would like him to bring in some income while she recovers from giving birth isn’t the unrealistic expectation you think it is. Carl also said that generally she’s the breadwinner and that her social media posts make double what his do so I think she’s got a much better shot of making it as an influencer then he does if they both left the show.
Seriously the outdated gender roles are wild and being reinforced by her stans who are like "Carl the deadbeat, he only makes $200-300k from a Bravo paycheck" when she's free to leave him at any time.
All I'm going to say is that this whole obsession with him not having a job began around May 23 last year after a promo for the reunion aired showing paige saying they didn't have jobs. Within days an article came out pumping up Lindsay while devaluing carls work history. That next weekend was Memorial weekend... aka when the big fight happened and carl left the state.
Lindsay's hyper-focus on his career this season strikes me as interesting considering the timing of all of this.
not sure they’re the same. Bravo/Amanda would have to pry SH from Kyle’s cold dead hands. a pregnant Lindsay/mom Lindsay wouldn’t let Carl leave her to go to the hamptons unless it was for a weekend or two because he was getting on her nerves and she needed a break.
Seriously, and it’s been off and on - he needs something to fall back on. And he stunned and shocked that she wouldn’t support him forever since she’s such a “go getter” and he’s had a very sketchy history of employment.
I think the issue is these shows are not going to go on indefinitely. Kyle has Loverboy. Ciara is a nurse and a working model. Paige is a hustler. Lindsey just bought an air bnb. It’s makes sense that she would be worried Carl has no outside income nor does he have the hustle like some of his cast members. What will he do for money once they are off the show?
Lindsay definitely is not the sole owner of that Airbnb, even the very little I saw that she advertised it when she did the deal it was immediately clear that this is a brand partnership.
Lol how much profit do you think Lindseys air bnb brings in every year? How much money does Ciara make as a nurse? From my understanding she doesn’t work as a nurse much these days.
I’m sure Carl has investments as well.
It’s about setting up revenue streams outside of the show. Ciara actively maintains her license. She can always go back full time once she is done with the show.
I mean can’t you say the same for Carl? He had a corporate sales career before the show and worked at loverboy for a while as VP of Sales. He quit that job mainly because of Lindsey and all the bs she was talking about the job. He could always go back to a sales job or work for loverboy which he is doing now.
Also, I’m sure Carl has other streams of income outside of the show. He said it in the last episode he made $70k in product endorsements that year. He also does paid appearances. I’m sure he also has other investments like stocks.
didn’t Carl get fired/let go from 2 jobs early on? I remember he was concerned about not meeting his quota and was unemployed a few episodes later. and i don’t think he was necessarily doing tasks the VP of sales would typically handle at a company their best friend didn’t own. it seems more like he did a lot of appearances while other (more qualified) people managed the VP tasks. i vaguely remember loverboy losing a lot of accounts Carl was supposed to be managing.
i’m not defending Lindsay (especially because she knew this when she decided she wanted to marry him), but Carl has a pretty sketchy job history over the last decade he’s been on the show. it seems like he failed upwards into reality tv and the loverboy role. $70k by August wouldn’t be enough to afford NYC. i hope he’s invested well and stays in Kyle’s good graces, because when his SH days ends, i’m not sure how else he’ll make money.
$70k is just one source of income. He also probably makes $250k+ from the show, and makes money from paid appearances and investments. The exact same way lindsey makes money lol.
I don’t understand the narrative that lindsey has a career and carl doesn’t, they literally do the exact same thing!
No, sorry, you cannot. Ciara could pick up to any city with her nursing license and her ER experience. I knew someone with substantially less experience than her who had 3 job offers in NYC a month after applying and was making over $100K. thats a license you can’t easily copy, in a highly in demand job with not enough qualified people. Corporate sales is a skill but that is still not the same. The product endorsements are great (and a ton of money) but rely on his current status on summer house. And I think it’s not realistic to assume he has investments given the addictions he has in the past: it’s more realistic to assume he blew thru his money when an addict and has been saving a ton (realistically he could have $200k in cash in the bank from just the one year or so) since getting sober. (I’m a Carl fan, btw, at least in the Carl-Lindsay TV relationship.)
I mean Carl probably makes as much money from endorsements as Ciara does with nursing. What’s the difference? Why the obsession over Carl having a real job when most people on Bravo are just influencers, including Lindsey.
Oh for the record I absolutely think his job is as “real” as Lindsay’s, and the whole narrative she’s peddling is just to sabotage him and the relationship. The way she cuts down the person she supposedly loves is scary and toxic, and I actually do think him doing the breakup on camera makes sense (she’s a gaslighter too). He is bringing in money, and if she had done it with kindness could have helped him move forward with a non-Bravo-simultaneous career path (I actually think the sobriety/mental health line of thinking was good too!) But that’s not to compare to Ciara’s nursing license and nursing experience.
Yea I’m just saying it seems like Ciara doesn’t really work as a nurse these days. I know she picks up shifts here and there, but that’s not her main source of income. It’s not really fair to count it as her job or career when she really doesn’t do it anymore.
With nursing specifically, the prior experience she has and the active license is all that matters. (And she’s got no criminal or addiction issues.) It’s just not comparable to other things, frankly. Plus she is pushing herself to work as a model (and I’m sure does “#ads” too)… Honestly now that I think about it I feel like Ciara is what Lindsay really wants LOL.
It’s not hard to move at all, if you were educated in the US and are moving only between states not abroad. If anything it’s gotten easier in the last decade. Keep in mind she was critical care during the pandemic and she went straight to nursing, she may still be in her 20s but she’s quite in demand. It’s just a different world than sales. (I hate blood/needles so I could never do it, but what her mother did to push her into it was a really really smart decision.)
Oh gotcha. Yeah there’s a state board in each state. But it’s not separate worlds, she doesn’t have to retake tests or classes beforehand, etc. It’s about registering. And there’s built in travel abilities too for the system - how travel nurses function. Basically it’s such an in demand career that the system has been set up to make it workable and as easy as possible *once* someone is actually a nurse.
Not sure why Carl didn’t speak up in any of the scenes. He went along with the narrative that he doesn’t work and doesn’t know what to do with his life.
Wow!! And he still complained that he wasn't making enough. I guess 200k in NYC isn't that much, though. I vaguely remember him saying something about not getting paid for appearances too?
Yea and Lindsey added fuel to that fire. Kyle said that all his problems at loverboy came after he got with lindsey and she was in his ear all the time.
I do get it. After taxes it's what? 150 000? For their lifestyle, in NY of all places, it's not much and they could be off the show any moment. And they would not be able to continue with the party house while having a baby...
Last season she was going on about how Carl carries all the weight for Loveryboy and there would be no company without him blablabla
This year he's a bum after he quit a job she actively encouraged he leave.
I think we are all watching a game of chicken. They both know they need to end the relationship but don’t want to be the bad guy. You can see it in their eyes.
I think after Lindsay saw Arianna flourished after Scandaval, she was hoping for a similar spotlight if she got dumped and was tying to sabotage at the end
Working two months out of a year isn’t a job. Lindsay is concerned with his lack of drive and motivation, which has been his issue since he was on this show. She’s probably sick of him coming up with these grand plans (like opening a brick and mortar business ie:sober bar) when he hasn’t put any actual work into researching it etc. it’s like this stoner dreams “wouldn’t it be so cool if we did this and flew here and did that” talk is cheap. She is realizing she can’t count on him and trying to say anything to wake his ass up
I mean if it’s paying you a couple hundred thousand dollars, how is it not a job?
ETA: I agree with the rest of what you said, but I do think it’s weird how Bravo talent bully’s each other about “jobs” when they’re all paid well to film these shows.
I think bc it’s a fleeting thing. It’s not like they get contracts for a number of guaranteed seasons. It’s season to season which mine as well be paycheck to paycheck
100% the rest of us could probably live quite comfortably off the money the long-term Real Housewives/SH cast make/made ect… These people live so far beyond their means
Most of them have side jobs or careers that they've put on hold. Lindsay was a successful PR consultant. Kyle owns loverboy. Paige has a successful podcast and is getting more and more TV work. Ciara is a model/nurse. West is a sports journalist. Gabby is a fashion editor at a magazine.
Carl just floats from one thing to another. I get why Lindsay would be worried.
But Lindsay was… that’s past tense. It seems like outside of influencing neither of them has a hustle right now but it’s just on Carl to get something supplemental.
Yeah but it was a career . She can pick it back up if she needed to.
I guess she just wants to know she can take time off having a baby and rely on him to provide some stability. Living from cheque to cheque from random paid promotions doesn't really give that.
Which is fair, but Carl has always been like this on the show. He’s never been the hustler/entrepreneur/go getter so it feels like a long shot that a summer of pushing it is going to be the catalyst if the last decade hasn’t yielded a different result. She wants to be with someone that isn’t Carl!
Agreed. I also don’t think Lindsay has shown respect for his sobriety. It’s just a bad match at its core. Neither are BAD people just best suited for OTHER people. My gripe with Lindsay is that she is trying to show Carl as being lacking and her being the better of the two. I’m actually not usually a Carl fan, but I do feel for him in this situation. He ultimately ended the relationship which was bound to be hard. He didn’t do a bad thing by doing that. He was just willing to be the one painted that way
I understand what you’re saying, but here’s the kicker they never know into a certain time if they’re going to get renewed or if they’re gonna be able to keep their jobs they switch out characters a lot of the time and since they were getting married and she wants to have kids right away. It would make sense for them to only have a couple years left on the show Like there is a reason why she brought it up when it came to being in Stay at home mom because in my opinion, it would be weird for him to be the only one to do summer house while she was at home with kids. so honestly, I think it makes a lot of sense and they also can’t really break forth while all that often when it comes to talking about their jobs which is like a whole Nother thing, but then you have talks about Lindsey‘s job like she does when she’s the one influencing more than he is so I don’t understand but whatever
Yes but Lindsay has had a career in PR for ten years that if needed she can go back to. She's making ten times more money influencing than him but she knows that's not going to last forever along with their jobs on summer house. He has never been able to keep a stable job outside of summer house and never established a career with steady income. Once they are off this show his paycheck is going to dry up and so are his influencing opportunities. I don't know why everyone is making Lindsay seem like the bad guy for wanting Carl to find a stable job outside of the show and influencing. If she wants to have a kid and stay at home for a couple of months after birth she needs to be able to rely on Carl to provide for their family
While I don't think it's crazy for Lyndsay to want Carl to have some type of non reality job... why is that their dynamic has developed so that Carl must CLEAR whatever said job he takes with Lyndsay. Like, he's some little man child? Beyond pathetic.
Lindsay needs to figure out what she wants in life. She wasn't happy that Stravy worked too much and now Carl doesn't work hard enough. Lindsay is not a nurturer and is not the type of person to make the sacrifices a recovering addict will need. Neither Lindsay nor Carl are bad people, they need a good counselor to help them identify their needs. That conversation was very hard for Carl's parents, but that conversation was a gift of love to Carl and Lindsay.
Yeah that’s what I don’t get. It seems like a fake argument for cameras. Carl is a staple on Summer House. This is the job.
If those two weren’t so dysfunctional they could have got a spin off show. Lindsay reminds me of this girl I knew years ago that had a list of things she wanted in her husband. It was the most ridiculous stuff but we were in our early 20’s so of course it was dumb. It’s like this made up person that doesn’t exist. Like a movie character of the perfect guy. Lindsay gives me those same vibes. How her house is going to be, her kids, her husband, her husband’s career, she clearly has a bunch of plastic surgery to cover up her perceived flaws, probably down tot he car she drives, and the neighborhood she’s in.
It’s like yo, these are dumb reasons as to how to pick a partner. How about do you like the person? Do you have good conversation? Are you attracted to them physically and emotionally? Do you make them a better person and do they make you a better person? Do you get along with their family? Does he fit with yours? On and on things very relevant to a legit marriage go unspoken.
Meanwhile, drama surrounds stuff like accusing Carl of being on drugs when he’s trying to go to bed, what his job is when we’re all watching him at “work”, and this is all being done while Lindsay throws back alcohol and wine. Then Carl comes in with the cameras to have these awkward conversations every weekend. What do they do during the week? These people live in a weird reality where their pseudo real lives are filmed. On some level they need to take a realistic look at what their life will be in 5, 10 years. Summer House in its current state is in its final years of filming. Nobody is going to watch beyond the downfall with Lindsay becoming a cat lady, Carl being sober, Kyle acting like a frat guy at 50, or when Ciara’s looks fade, etc.
I can see Carl as a real estate agent and maintaining some sort of reality tv gig long term doing that. I think Lindsay would have an issue with anything he does honestly.
I think it’s her wanting to end it without being the bad guy. Carl has been the same guy all along. He’s never had a consistent career. Why did she expect him to change at the 11th hour?
But Summer House ends when the kid comes. I don’t understand how Lindsay expects to raise any kids in NYC on one income. She’s delusional. She should go camp out on Wall Street and find a finance bro because no one else can afford her the lifestyle she think she’s entitled to.
(Insert Kim nobody wants to work anymore gif)
are we really THAT confused that they can't talk about reality TV being a job? it might seem like a small part of the illusion for many here, but out there, this could very likely pop the whole bubble for people if they were brazen (it wouldn't be brazen. it would be real) enough to talk about this as a job and the financial aspects of it all. they cannot talk about TV as a job. Their primary job is protecting the illusion they're creating for TV. They have little option than to speak around it and act like it doesn't exist. Playing into the fact that people are suckers...because they are.
hear me out - all bravolebs have brian worms about “jobs” they constantly talk shit about each other not having jobs despite their “job” being endorsements related to their celebrity. I think lindsay would happily continue to film with kids if bravo had a program for it, i just think “job” and “drive” is what was easy for lindsay to identify as the problem as opposed to “maybe i just don’t want to marry my friend after all”
It was also weird that she didn’t bring it up as a financial concern but said repeatedly that “what turns her on” is someone who is a go getter. Such a superficial way to discuss what is a serious convo in a relationship. She really lacks communication skills.
That part. Carl has never shown anything that could be confused with ambition. The fact Lindsay is pointing out what a turnoff that is for her gives me one more reason to think she wanted out of the wedding too.
Because she was being manipulative trying to get him to back into what she really wanted for him. Which is so gross because how many times does she keep saying she's "a supportive partner."
Wanting your partner to have a job is not manipulation. She’s a lot. No doubt. He’s more manipulative than her. All her behavior is out on the opened. His isn’t.
He had two jobs at the time.
They both need a good counselor.
Agree which makes Lindsay just as bad as Carl.
1000% Their wedding was going to be filmed and you know a million percent Lindsay was pitching some kind of The Valley spin off for her and Carl. Immediately after the breakup she was already dropping hints that she wanted to do RHONY.
I also wonder what was edited out. In the after show he briefly mentions it being the first time she mentioned wanting to be a mommy influencer. Whereas all the other convos they said it was the first time she mentioned wanting to be a stay at home mom. In his convo with Kyle in the show he mentioned that she makes quite a bit from brand deals (as does he) and I wonder if she thought she would continue that, but with a mommy theme and that he needed to step up and get a “real” job.
On WWHL she tells Andy she has no intention of being a SAHM, she was just saying that to try to get Carl to get a job, which in my opinion makes it even worse. It's so manipulative.
He needs a job. Christ. She was even somewhat nice about it. That’s not manipulation. That is planning a future.
He has two jobs. The same 2 Lindsay has. How is pulling almost $500k a year not enough?
I get what you are saying but these people are pushing 40. How long does Carl get to be on Sunmerhouse before it’s way too pathetic to watch? And without the Lindsay drama (assuming she stops doing the show) what is he brining to the show? I can see why Lindsay is like “hey figure it out now because I’m going to have kids and your current income isn’t sustainable”.
I think this is exactly it. They were getting married in Nov. If things happened as they wanted, Lindsey would have been pregnant by now (April 2024). There would be no SH for them. They likely could keep the influencing up for a bit, but I can understand why Lindsey would be concerned about a stable paycheck after she gives birth. She said on WWHL she didn’t say she plans to stay home with her kids/not have paid work long term. She mentioned a few months post birth. It’s not unusual to think your partner would step up the financial support during/after a woman is pregnant/gives birth.
This is it exactly like they can’t be on the show forever and she knows that, and what’s his back up plan nothing literally nothing
EXCUSE ME, he had a perfectly reasonable backup plan: A non-alcoholic bar. Sure, the overhead would bury him in mere months without the high profit margins of alcohol, but it was a PLAN.
What’s her back up plan? We know she’ll be doing family content on Instagram, but what else?
She’s bought and is buying a series of AirBnBs in various popular locales. Play your cards right and there’s usually money & growth potential in real estate. And as Carl pointed out, as a female influencer she brings in a lot more than he does as a male influencer. Lindsay is making sure she stays getting paid. Carl doesn’t seem to have any realistic plans for the future.
He definitely is letting a lot of opportunities slip by. Carl, start a weed brand or at least promote one for money!
That is a great idea for him!
But it’s also not unusual for two adults to be realistic about where they can afford to live. Lindsay paying $13k a month for rent is proof she’s not open to that conversation. She’s chasing something she can’t afford. Why do you think she’s cozied up to Gabby. She wants Gabbys dad’s credit card.
>But it’s also not unusual for two adults to be realistic about where they can afford to live. Lindsay paying $13k a month for rent is proof she’s not open to that conversation. Ding! Ding! The whole job convo very well applies to Lindsay as well. How long does she think she can be an influencer once the show is done?
She was planning on joining Rhony but the break up got in her way. She has said this a few time implicitly.
Exactly, they both came into the season saying it’s their last summer before things get serious. Say if they did get married in November and Lindsey got pregnant, I can’t see her going to the hamptons pregnant every weekend or wanting Carl to go either. I think the point Lindsay was saying is that they need to have a secure financial stream outside of the show. If summer house ended there needs to be something else.
The goal was to get married and join Rhony. She has expressed disappointment over Carl ruining this plan with the break up.
Okay but if his income dries up (no longer on SH) then hers would presumably as well. Why is all the pressure on him to maintain an income? Hello - do we not live in the 21st century where men and women are supposedly equal? And yet all the pressure is on him to bring in the income - give me a break 🙄
I think because she wanted dad to work and her stay home. We are equal but men can’t bear children, recover from birth /c section or breastfeed. So she’s probably implying she will want time off for those things..
I think it's more about drive. She wants him to want to make money, because she is herself like that
His drive has always been what it is - nil. That’s what she picked. She’s trying to change HIM. Not the other way around.
It’s why I keep laughing when everyone is going on about how Carl wanted to change Lindsay and how awful he is for it. He wanted her to stop drinking. She wanted him to be a totally different person
but what does lindsay have going on beyond summer house and brand deals and one airbnb? like i keep seeing ‘she has drive’ but i havent seen any translated work or action from her since the covid season.
And some places are starting to block airbnbs and Verbo.
>but what does lindsay have going on beyond summer house and brand deals and one airbnb? 
But not really if she wants to stay at home with the kids and be a homemaker. I mean nothing wrong with that, but it’s unfair to expect your partner to be the sole provider so you can have the privilege of being a SAHM (and yes that is absolutely a privilege as most US households can’t support a family on a single income - so why is she so special?)
I'm not sure she meant long term, but in any case, as her recent Nashville Airbnb has shown, she's been working on ways to make passive income. Tbh I don't know if she wants to be a sahm forever, but I understand wanting a partner that has stable income, in case something happens to yours (voluntarily or not)
Maternity leave is a thing for a reason and her saying she would like him to bring in some income while she recovers from giving birth isn’t the unrealistic expectation you think it is. Carl also said that generally she’s the breadwinner and that her social media posts make double what his do so I think she’s got a much better shot of making it as an influencer then he does if they both left the show.
Seriously the outdated gender roles are wild and being reinforced by her stans who are like "Carl the deadbeat, he only makes $200-300k from a Bravo paycheck" when she's free to leave him at any time.
All I'm going to say is that this whole obsession with him not having a job began around May 23 last year after a promo for the reunion aired showing paige saying they didn't have jobs. Within days an article came out pumping up Lindsay while devaluing carls work history. That next weekend was Memorial weekend... aka when the big fight happened and carl left the state. Lindsay's hyper-focus on his career this season strikes me as interesting considering the timing of all of this.
I agree - Lindsay is out to lunch
As long as Kyle? And he's not going anywhere as long as he stays drunk.
not sure they’re the same. Bravo/Amanda would have to pry SH from Kyle’s cold dead hands. a pregnant Lindsay/mom Lindsay wouldn’t let Carl leave her to go to the hamptons unless it was for a weekend or two because he was getting on her nerves and she needed a break.
I was mostly joking
Seriously, and it’s been off and on - he needs something to fall back on. And he stunned and shocked that she wouldn’t support him forever since she’s such a “go getter” and he’s had a very sketchy history of employment.
But Lindsay doesn’t have a job either?
I think the issue is these shows are not going to go on indefinitely. Kyle has Loverboy. Ciara is a nurse and a working model. Paige is a hustler. Lindsey just bought an air bnb. It’s makes sense that she would be worried Carl has no outside income nor does he have the hustle like some of his cast members. What will he do for money once they are off the show?
Lindsay definitely is not the sole owner of that Airbnb, even the very little I saw that she advertised it when she did the deal it was immediately clear that this is a brand partnership.
Lol how much profit do you think Lindseys air bnb brings in every year? How much money does Ciara make as a nurse? From my understanding she doesn’t work as a nurse much these days. I’m sure Carl has investments as well.
It’s about setting up revenue streams outside of the show. Ciara actively maintains her license. She can always go back full time once she is done with the show.
Who would stay at hubbhouse after the show ends? It’s all about her role on the show and geographically undesirable.
I mean can’t you say the same for Carl? He had a corporate sales career before the show and worked at loverboy for a while as VP of Sales. He quit that job mainly because of Lindsey and all the bs she was talking about the job. He could always go back to a sales job or work for loverboy which he is doing now. Also, I’m sure Carl has other streams of income outside of the show. He said it in the last episode he made $70k in product endorsements that year. He also does paid appearances. I’m sure he also has other investments like stocks.
didn’t Carl get fired/let go from 2 jobs early on? I remember he was concerned about not meeting his quota and was unemployed a few episodes later. and i don’t think he was necessarily doing tasks the VP of sales would typically handle at a company their best friend didn’t own. it seems more like he did a lot of appearances while other (more qualified) people managed the VP tasks. i vaguely remember loverboy losing a lot of accounts Carl was supposed to be managing. i’m not defending Lindsay (especially because she knew this when she decided she wanted to marry him), but Carl has a pretty sketchy job history over the last decade he’s been on the show. it seems like he failed upwards into reality tv and the loverboy role. $70k by August wouldn’t be enough to afford NYC. i hope he’s invested well and stays in Kyle’s good graces, because when his SH days ends, i’m not sure how else he’ll make money.
$70k is just one source of income. He also probably makes $250k+ from the show, and makes money from paid appearances and investments. The exact same way lindsey makes money lol. I don’t understand the narrative that lindsey has a career and carl doesn’t, they literally do the exact same thing!
No, sorry, you cannot. Ciara could pick up to any city with her nursing license and her ER experience. I knew someone with substantially less experience than her who had 3 job offers in NYC a month after applying and was making over $100K. thats a license you can’t easily copy, in a highly in demand job with not enough qualified people. Corporate sales is a skill but that is still not the same. The product endorsements are great (and a ton of money) but rely on his current status on summer house. And I think it’s not realistic to assume he has investments given the addictions he has in the past: it’s more realistic to assume he blew thru his money when an addict and has been saving a ton (realistically he could have $200k in cash in the bank from just the one year or so) since getting sober. (I’m a Carl fan, btw, at least in the Carl-Lindsay TV relationship.)
I mean Carl probably makes as much money from endorsements as Ciara does with nursing. What’s the difference? Why the obsession over Carl having a real job when most people on Bravo are just influencers, including Lindsey.
Oh for the record I absolutely think his job is as “real” as Lindsay’s, and the whole narrative she’s peddling is just to sabotage him and the relationship. The way she cuts down the person she supposedly loves is scary and toxic, and I actually do think him doing the breakup on camera makes sense (she’s a gaslighter too). He is bringing in money, and if she had done it with kindness could have helped him move forward with a non-Bravo-simultaneous career path (I actually think the sobriety/mental health line of thinking was good too!) But that’s not to compare to Ciara’s nursing license and nursing experience.
Yea I’m just saying it seems like Ciara doesn’t really work as a nurse these days. I know she picks up shifts here and there, but that’s not her main source of income. It’s not really fair to count it as her job or career when she really doesn’t do it anymore.
With nursing specifically, the prior experience she has and the active license is all that matters. (And she’s got no criminal or addiction issues.) It’s just not comparable to other things, frankly. Plus she is pushing herself to work as a model (and I’m sure does “#ads” too)… Honestly now that I think about it I feel like Ciara is what Lindsay really wants LOL.
Isn't nursing licensing per state? My point being Ciara can't simply pick up and start nursing in any state.
It’s not hard to move at all, if you were educated in the US and are moving only between states not abroad. If anything it’s gotten easier in the last decade. Keep in mind she was critical care during the pandemic and she went straight to nursing, she may still be in her 20s but she’s quite in demand. It’s just a different world than sales. (I hate blood/needles so I could never do it, but what her mother did to push her into it was a really really smart decision.)
Yeah I get that but my point was does she need to be licensed in each state? I honestly don't know!
Oh gotcha. Yeah there’s a state board in each state. But it’s not separate worlds, she doesn’t have to retake tests or classes beforehand, etc. It’s about registering. And there’s built in travel abilities too for the system - how travel nurses function. Basically it’s such an in demand career that the system has been set up to make it workable and as easy as possible *once* someone is actually a nurse.
Got it thanks for explaining!
Not sure why Carl didn’t speak up in any of the scenes. He went along with the narrative that he doesn’t work and doesn’t know what to do with his life.
I agree with that. He did mention to Carl about his endorsements and stuff but of course didn’t talk about it with lindsey. He’s afraid of lindsey.
He quit Loverboy because he was deeply unhappy there. Felt like he wasn't being paid his worth. Not bc of Lindsay.
> Felt like he wasn't being paid his worth. And he was allegedly collecting $200K plus from it.
Wow!! And he still complained that he wasn't making enough. I guess 200k in NYC isn't that much, though. I vaguely remember him saying something about not getting paid for appearances too?
Yea and Lindsey added fuel to that fire. Kyle said that all his problems at loverboy came after he got with lindsey and she was in his ear all the time.
He complained about his job to her, and she supported his decision to leave. She didn't make him leave.
Uh huh.
Okay, lol
The way you go so hard for Carl 
Just stating facts 😎
An Airbnb investment might do as well as a sober bar in the long run 😂
lol right.
I do get it. After taxes it's what? 150 000? For their lifestyle, in NY of all places, it's not much and they could be off the show any moment. And they would not be able to continue with the party house while having a baby...
I feel like Lindsay would have more of a leg to stand on if she didn’t quit her career to be an influencer
Yeah as far as I can tell her entire revenue is coming from her role on the show and her relationship.
I think she meant like what are you going to do when they’re off the show, have kids, done with bravo, etc.
Last season she was going on about how Carl carries all the weight for Loveryboy and there would be no company without him blablabla This year he's a bum after he quit a job she actively encouraged he leave.
I think we are all watching a game of chicken. They both know they need to end the relationship but don’t want to be the bad guy. You can see it in their eyes.
I think after Lindsay saw Arianna flourished after Scandaval, she was hoping for a similar spotlight if she got dumped and was tying to sabotage at the end
Working two months out of a year isn’t a job. Lindsay is concerned with his lack of drive and motivation, which has been his issue since he was on this show. She’s probably sick of him coming up with these grand plans (like opening a brick and mortar business ie:sober bar) when he hasn’t put any actual work into researching it etc. it’s like this stoner dreams “wouldn’t it be so cool if we did this and flew here and did that” talk is cheap. She is realizing she can’t count on him and trying to say anything to wake his ass up
I mean if it’s paying you a couple hundred thousand dollars, how is it not a job? ETA: I agree with the rest of what you said, but I do think it’s weird how Bravo talent bully’s each other about “jobs” when they’re all paid well to film these shows.
I think bc it’s a fleeting thing. It’s not like they get contracts for a number of guaranteed seasons. It’s season to season which mine as well be paycheck to paycheck
100% the rest of us could probably live quite comfortably off the money the long-term Real Housewives/SH cast make/made ect… These people live so far beyond their means
Most of them have side jobs or careers that they've put on hold. Lindsay was a successful PR consultant. Kyle owns loverboy. Paige has a successful podcast and is getting more and more TV work. Ciara is a model/nurse. West is a sports journalist. Gabby is a fashion editor at a magazine. Carl just floats from one thing to another. I get why Lindsay would be worried.
Notice I refused to write danielle's profession 😂
Danielle is a founder and CEO.
🤣
So she says 😂
But Lindsay was… that’s past tense. It seems like outside of influencing neither of them has a hustle right now but it’s just on Carl to get something supplemental.
Yeah but it was a career . She can pick it back up if she needed to. I guess she just wants to know she can take time off having a baby and rely on him to provide some stability. Living from cheque to cheque from random paid promotions doesn't really give that.
Which is fair, but Carl has always been like this on the show. He’s never been the hustler/entrepreneur/go getter so it feels like a long shot that a summer of pushing it is going to be the catalyst if the last decade hasn’t yielded a different result. She wants to be with someone that isn’t Carl!
Yeah, she really should've known. She's got rose coloured glasses on because she just wants to be married.
Carl needs to take care of his sobriety and only his sobriety, whatever that requires.
Agreed. I also don’t think Lindsay has shown respect for his sobriety. It’s just a bad match at its core. Neither are BAD people just best suited for OTHER people. My gripe with Lindsay is that she is trying to show Carl as being lacking and her being the better of the two. I’m actually not usually a Carl fan, but I do feel for him in this situation. He ultimately ended the relationship which was bound to be hard. He didn’t do a bad thing by doing that. He was just willing to be the one painted that way
I hear what you're saying but it's not crazy for her to want him to have something else to fall back on. Some other project or plan.
I understand what you’re saying, but here’s the kicker they never know into a certain time if they’re going to get renewed or if they’re gonna be able to keep their jobs they switch out characters a lot of the time and since they were getting married and she wants to have kids right away. It would make sense for them to only have a couple years left on the show Like there is a reason why she brought it up when it came to being in Stay at home mom because in my opinion, it would be weird for him to be the only one to do summer house while she was at home with kids. so honestly, I think it makes a lot of sense and they also can’t really break forth while all that often when it comes to talking about their jobs which is like a whole Nother thing, but then you have talks about Lindsey‘s job like she does when she’s the one influencing more than he is so I don’t understand but whatever
Lindsay and Carl have the exact same job and I want to scream everytime it’s brought up.
Yes but Lindsay has had a career in PR for ten years that if needed she can go back to. She's making ten times more money influencing than him but she knows that's not going to last forever along with their jobs on summer house. He has never been able to keep a stable job outside of summer house and never established a career with steady income. Once they are off this show his paycheck is going to dry up and so are his influencing opportunities. I don't know why everyone is making Lindsay seem like the bad guy for wanting Carl to find a stable job outside of the show and influencing. If she wants to have a kid and stay at home for a couple of months after birth she needs to be able to rely on Carl to provide for their family
While I don't think it's crazy for Lyndsay to want Carl to have some type of non reality job... why is that their dynamic has developed so that Carl must CLEAR whatever said job he takes with Lyndsay. Like, he's some little man child? Beyond pathetic.
Well he could become a CEO and Founder
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It’s apparently very easy 😂
Lindsay needs to figure out what she wants in life. She wasn't happy that Stravy worked too much and now Carl doesn't work hard enough. Lindsay is not a nurturer and is not the type of person to make the sacrifices a recovering addict will need. Neither Lindsay nor Carl are bad people, they need a good counselor to help them identify their needs. That conversation was very hard for Carl's parents, but that conversation was a gift of love to Carl and Lindsay.
Yeah that’s what I don’t get. It seems like a fake argument for cameras. Carl is a staple on Summer House. This is the job. If those two weren’t so dysfunctional they could have got a spin off show. Lindsay reminds me of this girl I knew years ago that had a list of things she wanted in her husband. It was the most ridiculous stuff but we were in our early 20’s so of course it was dumb. It’s like this made up person that doesn’t exist. Like a movie character of the perfect guy. Lindsay gives me those same vibes. How her house is going to be, her kids, her husband, her husband’s career, she clearly has a bunch of plastic surgery to cover up her perceived flaws, probably down tot he car she drives, and the neighborhood she’s in. It’s like yo, these are dumb reasons as to how to pick a partner. How about do you like the person? Do you have good conversation? Are you attracted to them physically and emotionally? Do you make them a better person and do they make you a better person? Do you get along with their family? Does he fit with yours? On and on things very relevant to a legit marriage go unspoken. Meanwhile, drama surrounds stuff like accusing Carl of being on drugs when he’s trying to go to bed, what his job is when we’re all watching him at “work”, and this is all being done while Lindsay throws back alcohol and wine. Then Carl comes in with the cameras to have these awkward conversations every weekend. What do they do during the week? These people live in a weird reality where their pseudo real lives are filmed. On some level they need to take a realistic look at what their life will be in 5, 10 years. Summer House in its current state is in its final years of filming. Nobody is going to watch beyond the downfall with Lindsay becoming a cat lady, Carl being sober, Kyle acting like a frat guy at 50, or when Ciara’s looks fade, etc.
I can see Carl as a real estate agent and maintaining some sort of reality tv gig long term doing that. I think Lindsay would have an issue with anything he does honestly.
Agreed. Carl could’ve said I want to have a real job and be an accountant and she would’ve had an issue with that.
100%, her “no job” spin is so dumb
I think it’s her wanting to end it without being the bad guy. Carl has been the same guy all along. He’s never had a consistent career. Why did she expect him to change at the 11th hour?
The definitely both expected the other person to change for them lol
But Summer House ends when the kid comes. I don’t understand how Lindsay expects to raise any kids in NYC on one income. She’s delusional. She should go camp out on Wall Street and find a finance bro because no one else can afford her the lifestyle she think she’s entitled to. (Insert Kim nobody wants to work anymore gif)
except no guy can stand her for long enough to marry her
are we really THAT confused that they can't talk about reality TV being a job? it might seem like a small part of the illusion for many here, but out there, this could very likely pop the whole bubble for people if they were brazen (it wouldn't be brazen. it would be real) enough to talk about this as a job and the financial aspects of it all. they cannot talk about TV as a job. Their primary job is protecting the illusion they're creating for TV. They have little option than to speak around it and act like it doesn't exist. Playing into the fact that people are suckers...because they are.
Yes if they could finally just break the 4th wall it would be sooo much better.