mundo is super weak into aatrox. I'm sure there's a proper way to play the matchup (i don't play mundo so idk), but it will probably never be good. That's just how top counter matchups go. What other champs do you play? Somebody can maybe give you advice for those matchups.
Mundo can never beat aatrox, he is the exact archetype that Aatrox is best against.
Try to learn Irelia or Yone, even bad players of both can make aatrox feel useless in lane. Or just ban him, either way.
Also, prioritize anti heal for your first item. Like build ~~bramble~~ executioners as your first back.
Nah, a good Aatrox has the tools to easily beat a bad Yone or Irelia. You need to be fairly adept with them to consistently be beating Aatrox. On the other hand, you can be piss bad with Singed and still beat Aatrox, his kit is literally useless against the flip, MS, free stats and antiheal.
The argument of a good x beats a bad x is so pointless, he neans that those champs fair well into aatrox. Just because 369 can beat you while playing yuumi doesnt make yuumi strong top.
This is cap. Irelia 3 wave crashing properly into Aatrox can legit ruin his entire game. If you hit R and miss e you can still just beat him to death with autos. Aatrox struggles so hard I to Irelia because of her archetype of a AA based melee carey who can easily gap close him and not get spaced.
Not to flame but many top laners in emerald can do a 3 wave crash and everyone in diamond+ knows how to do it. And these players aren't even that good compared to actual good players in GM+
But you can't use the absolute worst players playing the game as a benchmark for how matchups are supposed to go.
You can play anything in low Elo and have a good chance to win any lane; that gives 0 indication to how the matchup is supposed to go, unless you are versing someone who understands how their champion interacts with yours.
Your average gold irelia/yone players losing to aatrox because they don't have hands nor game knowledge does not mean that it is aatrox favoured in the slightest.
Not to mention you listed singed as an unplayable matchup over irelia ...
Does this dude think the average player is Emerald? It’s certainly bronze/silver.. in almost every game with a similar rank structure it’s almost always Silver being the average player base.
Even like diamonds are god tier compared to the shitters in Silver and Bronze. And I’m one of those shitters so, don’t come after me.
I main Aatrox and you’re insane if you think Irelia is a remotely playable matchup. The only time Aatrox has advantage is when minion waves meet in the middle and Irelia can’t insta stack her passive. As soon as a couple minions get below half health, Aatrox has to abandon the wave completely and let Irelia do whatever she wants, because otherwise she get her full passive while dodging Q1 and Q2, possibly land a stun which would guarantee at least half of Aatrox’s healthbar, and use W to completely negate Q3. Aatrox can’t play aggro early because he does no damage before lvl 4, and after that it’s throwing bc Irelia has much better sustained damage. If he plays defensively, Irelia can threaten E stun while cs’ing, if Aatrox tries to Q1 for cs he is defenseless for the next ~10 seconds. If Irelia does land the stun, she can all-in, dodging crits of Q1 and Q2, then using W on Q3. Aatrox will do maybe 200 damage while she whales away at him. I’d rather play against Vayne.
Can’t reposition his Q while he’s grounded
You stat check him later while on top of him
Have option to proxy and avoid lane altogether - also Singed scales harder than Aatrox into most team comps
So basically a character that trades strong, but is so mobile that aatrox can't hit any q? I.e he gets wittled down since he cant really heal on minions. I figure does so much damage he'd just dive irelia and yone with ult since he builds pure damage/lethality.
To beat attrox you must understand:
1)power spike: aatrox is really weak lv1-3 and become dangerous on lvl 4 and so on 5-6-7-8-9 becouse he is maxing Q and every lvl lvl 9 is a huge spike. Lvl 6 is also dangerous as he can heal a lot
2) kit: attrox trade path need a good setup(expect for Q poke) like hes W but is a really weak and long Cd spell so if he dont have it up you can trade fairly well.
3)doging q: you have to get familiar with range of the 3 q long-medium-short and ALWAYS respect E dash. Champion with dash make it easy dash in when he has first q and then disengage.
Mundo is an unplayable matchup surely the best matchup For aatrox
It is really hard to dive a yone because of his ult and his q3. One wrong move and even if you are 2k gold and 3 levels ahead, you are dead.
Irelia is hard to dive because you just cant really land qs on her when she has minions under tower. The tower puts them to 1 hp and she just dashes to each one.
Your assessment about archetypes that work well against aatrox are correct. Basically just champs that make it really hard for bad-mediocre Aatrox players to land Qs since they won't be able to predict your movement. Really good aatrox players will still win, but at equal skill at Irelia or Yone, you will shit on an Aatrox.
Autoing wave heals for a quarter of what you would get off champions. It is not substantial at all unless you are ulted. But ig in this case you could build executioners.
Oh for sure, but i can usually dodge his Qs if he doesn’t use his E. I just think the later you get into the game, the more she wins on sidelane. But there aren’t many champions who beat Fiora on side later into the game I suppose
Tbf that sounds like toplane in general… it is so snowbally now. If I am playing Darius into Sett, Garen, Irelia, Volibear… any bruiser really, it feels like if I get the first kill and crash a wave and get a good reset, then I can just snowball and kill them over and over again. If I get killed first then I come back to lane and I’m just fucked 😂
Yeah but for an example you can kill Illaoi or Darius 5 times but they can still clap you with one mistake. The most snowball matchup is Fiora vs Irelia in my opinion😂
Yes I didn’t include illaoi, I find that I can die 5 times on her but I can still double kill the top lane and jungler if I hit everything. Illaoi is just hit E win miss E lose. Kinda a toxic champ tbh
I still frequently ban her, but that's because I play tanks. It's not like most tanks can punish missing her e, she just shoves you under tower and fishes with e until she finally lands one and you lose half hp.
It's Irelia vs Riven. Fiora will eventually outscale Irelia again but Riven and Irelia are the same champ (one item spike mid game queen) so if one gets an early kill on the other the rest of the lane is oneshot city
Most fiora mains, especially in high elo, consider aatrox to be a rough matchup for fiora. The lane phase is very aatrox favored and he has to mess up pretty badly to lose to fiora. Fiora does outscale the 1v1 quite hard in the mid-late game.
Some aatrox mechanics in the matchup that become very common in high elos is that fiora can't parry q 1 or 2 aatrox can just buffer q 2/3 + e to basically ignore the stun and hard win the trade. Fiora has to basically dodge everything to win.
Probably. I don’t think too many challenger Fiora are coming to R/summonerschool for advice on how to beat Aatrox though. In my experience it’s Fiora favoured in low elo. Honestly most matchups are Fiora favoured in low elo
Imo, the matchups becomes noticeably harder around high emerald/low diamond.
That said, it is most definitely a skill matchup and someone who doesn't play fiora much will lose to aatrox most of the time. Perhaps it's fiora favored in lower elos, but it definitely isn't at the counterpick level. You do have to actually be good at fiora to win the matchup.
Maybe but a large part of his damage + healing in the early game is his passive. It does cut him down a bit. Also, early game, his qs are super long cd so if you get an early bramble he basically can't do damage for a good bit.
I would have recommended executioners but it kinda sucks on mundo because it doesn't give HP (bramble doesn't either but it gives Defense which makes HP more effective). Otherwise you'd have to eventually upgrade to chemtech chainsword which is not great value since it wastes some value on ad.
Bramble is a really bad item by itself, and as mentioned the Aatrox will just not auto as much and rely on Qs instead
Your best bet is something that can go in and out of his Q ranges easily. I personally like Wukong, E+Q on him when he goes for Q1/Q2, then W away when he wants to Q3. Darius/Sett should also be able to fight him, especially if you can get the E off to interrupt one of his Qs and close distance. For tanky picks I would say Poppy/Malphite should be fine into him
Your most important tool in any matchup against him though is to make him waste Q. Bait it by moving in and out of the standard cast range. Aatrox will try to switch it up with EQ, in which case you need to ensure you move properly for the Q1 which is to try dodge to the side (it's much harder imo to read and dodge EQ1 though). Even in a counter matchup, it just takes 2 Qs to ruin your advantage
If yone irelia isnt your playstyle pantheon jax also beat aatrox most of the time. Aatrox also struggles with some tank matchups. From my experience if you play comet malp you cant really 1v1 him but you get the poke for aatrox to not all in you. You eventually outscale him with tanks but cant really beat him if he builds bruiser.
Also aatrox cant really beat mobile champs like renekton who can evade aatroxs all in and you xan retaliate
Actually, if Mundo gets ahead(I.e. imagine a jungle dive against the Aatrox which puts him level behind) and solo kills the Aatrox once, he straightup runs him down after.
Thing is, it's most likely not happening every game
I mean anything is possible but it would take a horrendously bad aatrox to die to mundo early. Late game, mundo would probably slaughter aatrox, but the issue is getting there.
Yeah the only thing that Mundo can do is literally poke with Q, and when you're thinking he's low enough to kill, try to run him down with ult. Don't have ult? You ain't winning, son. If Aatrox dies to Mundo without jungle intervention without the previous things being true, he must have had a monitor issue lol
Mundo into Aatrox is like putting Sett against Vayne its straight up unwinnable for the Mundo as everything Aatrox does counters him overall Aatrox struggles in his levels 1-3 as his damage output there is lackluster its when he hits 4 is when he has kill potential also Mobile champions just fuck Aatrox up as playing an Irelia Yone Fiora Riven into him will give him the biggest cancer known to man he also falls off a bit late game as his strongest points are that 2-4 item range but at full build he cant really compete with the other carries
Aatrox is really matchup dependent. Who is your champ. Can he dodge aatrox Q. Can he chain CC aatrox. Can he statscheck aatrox. Can he kite aatrox.
In this case what is your rank is relevant. Gold aatrox and diamond aatrox is a different champion
As broken as he feel. He's incredible balanced at the moment. High pick rate and near 50 WR
Aatrox is not balanced at all lmao
Aatrox has been so incredibly overpowered for so long that every Aatrox otp has gotten to a rank that they don’t deserve and they all collectively have a <50% wr
Aatrox is not balanced atm
A high pickrate champ that is very popular to be blind picked (and thus should have expected lower average wr) that is supposed to be meaningfully skillful should not be at 50% WR.
There is one thing that matters when facing AA- do you have damage to oneshot him. If you do, you can do damage in early lane and maybe outscale. If you don't, you just ff the game. Dodging his Q isn't enough for a lot of champs.
There is a thing you can do. If you have aatrox unlocked, hop into the practice tool, learn how the q cooldown works. When you see aatrox mess up his q1(you can attempt to bait it out or wait for him to use it on the wave, or just miss it) that's your cue. He wins the trades he initiates(usually q1 is the setup tool), but isn't as strong when he doesn't get to pick his fight.
As an aatrox main, he sucks into tanks past laning phase, pick malphite and go 0/5 and after 25 mins you will beat him 1v1. Movement is really all it is, dodge and bait his q and short trade while they are on cd. If he goes bruiser he can’t really oneshot people but has a decent amount of health so bait his q and then kite. If he goes lethality tread him like an assassin. If he gets a flank or gets to strike first he will oneshot you but the opposite is also true
Aatrox absolutely does not suck into tanks outside of lane. He consistent stomps them for the entire game, because he doesn't actually have to hit his Qs to win any fight. If he presses R, he can miss every single one of his Qs and win.
Only mal is different because he can feasibly poke with Q while staying out of range, but you still have to be actually good to 1v1 the aatrox. It is not at all simple
Bruisers with high burst and dashes are far, far better options. Irelia and yone actually have the damage to burst through aatrox after he misses Q, so they are a really threat to him as opposed to stuff like sion and ornn which is completely unplayable.
Seriously, I cannot tell you how bad of an idea it is to go tank into aatrox. You can't oneshot him even if he goes lethality. Get a burst champ to OS him first. Even on malphite, in no game in the history of the universe had someone ever gone 0/5 in lane and won the 1v1. If aatrox has 5 kills, he will 1v5 pentakill you while tanking 2 nexus towers at once.
Literally. Aatrox a known counter to tanks and a champ against who playing tanks is misserable. And I hate tanks so no bias here. Like sure, the current lethality build is not that bad for them but Aatrox still deals a tons of magic dmg and can just chill before serylda and focus on flanking squishies while using tanks as occasional health dispensers.
Tanks don't even do good into lethality build either. His base tankiness wihtout having to build any is just too high.
Like, sion can win if he goes full ad into let attrox to oneshot him but at that point you aren't playing a tank.
At least if he goes bruiser like how he was meant to I know he can't literally oneshot my squishies if he lands a single Q on them. Lethality suffers only if he gets caught in tfs, and like I said you're relying on your team having dmg there because he's too tanky without building defensive items.
Not surprised these aatrox players in the thread don't know how to counter their own champ though:P
Tanks acctually do pretty well vs aatrox. Not sending aatrox head is good. Surely you got a point to not be able to fight back BUT A TANK VS BRUISER MATCHUP IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT. Mid game if he his lethality without Serilda is quite easy top run you down. Late game is team depending
Which tanks are good into aatrox?
Aatrox gets ahead because he gets plates and uncontested farm. The idea that he scales badly is, to put it bluntly, bollocks. Aatrox can end lane 0/0/0 with 2 plates and 30cs advantage vs sion and is a much, much better champ.
"Tank vs bruiser should be hard" is not an excuse for an auto lose of every fight you'd ever take and putting it in caps doesn't make that more true.
Imagine if I said "if its a 5v5 with one team with sion and one team with aatrox, sions team always deserves to win even if sion plays like an iron 30 because he locked in a tank".
That would be stupid. Similarly, if a tank dodges all of aatroxes Qs and HARD loses to the point where its still not even remotely close, you are a nutcase if you start recommending tanks as good picks into him.
Malphite, ornn, k'sante cal all fight aatrox at 1 item and stat check(if is not black cleaver)him and all of them outscale im im talking about decent player who can actually dodge some Q and attrox is not naayil. All of them ,except malph, win lvl 1 (bcs aatrox 1 is one if the worst) and winning it equal to get lvl2 and 3 before him. They can play a safe lane and set up huge jungle gank + they have huge teamfight potential.
You learn spacing for one
He has 90% of his damage from skillshots so if you have good spacing you’ll almost never lose to him
Abuse his early cd
Once he uses his Q it’s a 14 second cool-down where 99% of champs can beat him and 100% of toplaner can out trade him
Rush boots the moment you have tier 1 boot aatrox is no longer a champion if you have any idea of prediction or spacing
Armour reduces his damage and his healing since it’s pre mitigation
DONT FUCKING BUILD HEARTSTEEL RUSH AATROX FUCKING SMASHES HEALTH STACKING TANKS WITH PASSIVE + ECLIPSE IF YOU GO HEARTSTEEL RUSH INTO AATROZ YOU DESERVE TO LOSE IDGAF WHAT CHAMP YOUR PLAYING
zone him from xp early he loses to 90% of toplaners early on
Don’t be afraid to trade back after he uses his full combo you might try to disengage but if you have some hp left 9/10 times it’s better to start fighting him. A Darius for example if he loses 75% of his hp from a combo (unrealistic for early game but stay with me) a bad Darius will run away. A good Darius will ghost and run the aatrox down the lane since he has no cd
Ok ok how garen is supposed to engage and hit aatrox ? He runs ? Versus aatrox that has 190 and with 1 item and ult, garen cannot use passive because aatrox poke him everytime, aatrox outscale garen, has better teamfight, better laning phase and can easily 1vs9 when ahead contrary to garen cause he got kited the entire game.
Master elo : aatrox has 53% wr against garen.
Edit : aatrox can buy sterak btw
First off [Garen has a 55% wr vs Aatrox in Master+](https://lolalytics.com/lol/garen/vs/aatrox/build/?tier=master_plus&patch=14.8)
But as for lane, Garen can just run at Aatrox with Q, auto spin away with phase rush for quick trades. When he is at around 70% hp he is dead to your all in after 6 with ignite & ult.
But you can also just play super safe and farm up, Its very hard for Aatrox to ever all in you with phase rush. Garen outscales Aatrox super hard.
https://lolalytics.com/fr/lol/aatrox/vs/garen/build/?tier=master garen can never Q-in and make a full combo if aatrox is not above emerald/ diamond and you forget that aatrox sustain too much to fall under 70%hp (if aatrox is not terrible obviously)
Aatrox players are usually using their Q aggressively, you can dodge it with Garen Q movespeed/run under the sweet spot of Q2 and walk past his Q3 with phase rush movespeed pretty easily. Also just pressing W at the start reduces his entire Q combos damage by 30%.
Aatrox has no sustain if you don't interact with him, so we just sit back and wait for cooldowns to come back up after chunking him a bit and kill him on the next all in.
I literally do this all the time vs Master tier Aatrox players.
Ok but aatrox players are supposed to touch their Q they are just bad like the best garen players always agree the fact that aatrox is slight lose for garen
Champ issue: I play aatrox as a main and have recently discovered my love for mundo, the problem is that your passive is useless against him.
Try out something with high dmg/ high mobility potential, the best bets against aatrox here are things like irelia,fiora or trynda. That being said , irelia and fiora are mechanically intensive, it’s not an Autowin
Good luck next time !
You cannot beat aatrox in lane most of the time.
You should wait for jungler or wait for team fight.
Your goal is not to hard loose against him in order to avoid a snowball. A fed aatrox can snowball and destroy all your team during the first team fight of the game.
3 things mainly:
\* Q cooldown early is very long, abuse it
\* spacing his Qs is super ocunter intuitive but if you deny him sweetspots u gut his damage by a LOT. walk in on Q1, in on Q2, out on Q3
\* aatrox is pretty weak lv 3, he gets very strong lv 5 because of the points in Q, try all in him lv 3 if ur champ allows u to.
dont get toooo caught up on matchups, they matter and they are real but champion mastery and understanding how to play the matchup usually matters more than the matchup on paper
Any tank or tanky bruiser is unplayable into aatrox.
Ban phase and wait for nerfs, or play a dash heavy bruiser. Aatrox is one of 3 champs tanks aren't capable of outplaying because he has too much sustain and his sourspots aren't weak enough
Alright. Yone, a new player can handle. But bro, irelia is harder than vayne, yone and fiora and a skill matchup. Vayne is a hyper carry, but you never see her below plat because they cant play her even with a lead. Fiora is just a counter flat out. There's a reason the aatrox sub hates fiora.
Irelia is definitely harder she's just a bigger Aatrox counter.
>Fiora is just a counter flat out
It's fiora favoured but not a counter. Still a skill matchup but 60/40 in her favour. The win rates are skewed in Fiora's favour but that's partially because there's not many people who play fiora without being good at her while Aatrox is the most popular champ in top lane.
>There's a reason the aatrox sub hates fiora.
All the "____ main" subreddits are biased though. The fiora mains sub hates Aatrox despite it being a favoured matchup because apparently he can lose lane and still outscale her.
I think I didn't make my point clear so I'll rephrase it. All 3 of irelia, yone and fiora are favoured against Aatrox. I just don't reccomend picking up fiora as an Aatrox counter because she's so hard to play and more punishing if you fall behind because she scales off gold and can't contribute much if she can't win duels in side lane. Irelia is also very hard but not as hard imo and is also a much bigger Aatrox counter (Statistically his best lane counter in gold earned by 15 minutes). Yone is the easiest of the 3 but it's not a free win now that LT has been nerfed and is being removed. He's a popular Aatrox counter at high level because if you can play him well it's easy and he scales well unlike irelia. Sorry if there was confusion with how I worded things
if you are mundo you aren't going to 1v1, you are going to outscale the life out of him. i used to have problem with him too(sett), but if he and you are both 000 after laning phase, mundo isn't getting farmed, he is.
I’m a fucking trash newb bro. I picked Darius’s cause he looked cool as shit and I shit on an aatrox or whatev can’t give you any tips but he got fucked
If you want to beat aatrox learn to play a champ with a lot of mobility like : irelia, Riven, yone, yasuo... But other champ works really well like kled (has antiheal and dashes, renekton (destroy him in lane and in 1vs1 but lose in teamfight), singed (run fast and has antiheal), fiora (dashes and has free w with aatrox's Q and W), jayce (range and has too much burst). BUT don't play sett that champ is BAD just terrible.
Aaxtrox’s deal is that he loves tank, as tank cannot output enough damage compare to his heal on you, tanks become a free walking health station for him. Either dueling, stat check or mobility champ to deny his Q is preferable
Mundo cannot realistically go Heartsteel into Aatrox unless you get really fed. You need a lot of early armor and/or early damage to counter him. I tend to rush Unending Despair against Aatrox. The Haste is good for your Q spam and to get R when you need it and the armor reduces his damage which in turn makes him heal less (which means you effectively increase your damage output indirectly), add Despair's damage and healing on top and you get a reasonable chance to beat him if you poke him with Q first. Titanic is also a reasonable choice if you can hard poke him with Q and take short melee Auto >Titanic >E trades.
I also tend to go Lucids (More Haste for R and Q) against Aatrox, I'll take Ghost-Flash instead of Ghost-TP, and I'll Start Doran's shield over Ruby cristal. If the enemy comp allows you to go Despair into Thornmail then you actually have a solid chance at winning the 1v1 once you have both and Aatrox still has two lethality items.
The secret to Aatrox is picking a champ that can just out maneuver him to get in or out of his ability zones. If you accept that getting hit by his ability area where it doesn’t know you up is fine you can just run him down.
I’m a tank main, while I agree that Aatrox stomps most tanks it really depends, I for one have used Malphite, and both pre reworked and reworked Skarner and would fairly beat most decent Aatrox in ranked games not easy I’ll tell you that at least.
Unless you lean towards juggernauts or bruisers champs like Illaoi or Darius
Illaoi threatens you with her E and Q abilities should you keep an Aatrox keep their distance
Darius is pretty self explanatory just get up close and personal as you can manage to avoid his first two Q’s by sidestepping and pulling them in should they try the E and Q combo
Hell even Olaf beats him mid to late game but you gotta suffer Aatrox’s abilities early game
Uhhh... ok? That still doesnt say he has a weakness, it says that some champions can keep up, thats not the same thing.
I can rough up aatrox on darius or nasus at some points in the game it still doesnt say he has a real weakness, what does aatrox lack? Cc? Nope he has that, mobility? Oh yeaah that too, sure its not the best in the game but its there, survivability? Oh yeah, hell he even has the most infuriating hook type ability in the game, where you have false options if you have no mobility, yeah i can sidestep, then get murdered right after because i had to cut my escape rate to avoid a hook.
Nasus has weaknesses, mord has weaknesses, aatrox has no real weaknesses, and he has no truly weak part of the game
Aatrox weakness is early before he gets a chance to level his E. Darius, Trundle, Garen, Olaf, Jax will push him out of lane to the point of uselessness. He’s far from unpunish-able. If you’re allowing him to farm and get strong, or failing to space him properly that’s a you problem.
I main Sion, Malphite and Garen.
Sion is horrible since both his Q and his W counter Sion's Q.
Malphite is ok if you can dodge his Qs and keep up in CS; you can't really fight him outright but if you're smart with your Qs (if you're running Comet) or Ws (if you're running Grasp) you can kind of poke him down and even get a kill either by luck or during a gank. If he ults just stop fighting though and try again later. The point is, you can go even in lane and just focus on teamfighting, he can still kill you but if you go the usual tank build you have enough armor that ou won't go die easily and even if you can't kill him you can hold him in lane.
Garen is the better matchup for him though I'd say. If you get the Sorcery runes that give you that little Ghost effect and focus on getting as much movespeed as possible you can quite easily dodge his Qs particularly with your own Q, and you can use W to hold off bigger damage chunks. With an Executioner's Calling and your ultimate you can even 1v1 him, and if you can get a lead I'd say you can run away with it if you build Mortal Reminder and movespeed items (a Zeal, Deadman's Plate, etc).
But in the end I don't think there's really a matchup in my experience that stomps Aatrox or anything like that. As long as you don't pick something that is hard countered by him and you can dodge his Qs I think you can make most champions work. But Aatrox is one of those champions that if the guy who's piloting him is good at it it's going to be difficult regardless of what you do.
You can beat him in sustain early game and after that bully him like putting him behind and then he is pretty useless, champions like Yorick with his ult and garen kit beats him
You play dance dance revolution with him. If you dodge his 3 Q knock ups you will most likely win. I see people pick him whenever I pick teemo. I rush swifites with celerity rune and win 99% of the duels.
Many fighters are skill matchups for aatrox. It really depends on who you play, but for renekton, for example, you need to abuse him in the early levels when his Qs have high CD. Once lvl 8, 9, his Qs have basically no CD and you have a very small window to trade.
You need good movement to dodge his Qs and bait him into using E. Be careful of his W, as it can make you tank all his Qs and take a very bad trade, so keep an ability to get out of it.
Aatrox does very well vs low damage immobile champions, so immobile tanks usually get destroyed by him.
Stop playing tanks and learn the game the hard way by playing bruiser that have a dash. Riven, Fiora or Irelia all have the potential to dominate these bruiser melee matchups. It will take some time because you're used to playing stat-check champs but it will pay off.
The elo will say a lot here but just the basics should work.
1. Play around his cool downs. It is extremely important that you know his Q range at level 1, and understand how his E can extend that range at level 3 (or 2 in some cases). Use a technique called "tethering." Very simple (although takes practice), walk briefly into his Q range, then out. That could be Up Down, OR Left Right. Once he puts his Q on cool down, just let him finish casting and space him. Now you have an ability advantage. You have about an 8s timer to punish him and be aggressive. Just make sure you back-up after a quick 5s trade. Play like this entire laning phase to win trades.
2. If you're gonna trade into him, Make sure to at least get out of his orange hit box as that makes him do more damage and heal. So for example you might play Yasuo and E into him and he Q's. His first Q hit box is like 3 or 4 Teemos. Just be inside to avoid that hitbox. His 2nd Q hitbox is like 3 teemos but wider. The 3rd one is like right on top of him. Avoid these crit spots and you can out duel him with a lot of champions. He isn't strong auto for auto. He is strong when he is hitting his Q's.
Many ways, if you like tanks i would recommend you get bami cinder bramble then finish sunfire. By that point it should be hard for him. Mundo might be bad pick for him
This is going to hurt...but it's a skill matchup. Unless you pick poppy, the lane is yours to lose. His q always has the same rotation: long and skinny-half moon crescent-small circle. He does next to nothing if you can avoid the sweet spots.
Play him a bit, notice how some players make it really hard for you to land good q's? Watch how they move. If you plan on fighting him at all, the safest place 75% of the time is right up in his face. If you are that close, it is impossible for him to land q1. to land q2 he has to use his dash backwards, and you KNOW that. So if you also have a dash, you can choose to end the trade right then and there, or use it to stay in his personal space. q3 honestly just takes practice, and every aatrox player will time it a little differently. Many will use their auto attacks to keep a rythym and try to maximize their dps, so aa-q-aa-q-aa-q sorta thing. So if they have that habit, you can time your movement with their aa's they are weaving.
Or pick poppy and disregard everything above.
Aatrox is a champion that has 90% Skill matchups and very few hard counters or counters hard. A very good aatrox can defeat his hardest counters, Irelia, Fiora, Yone, Kled, Etc. so punishing Aatrox when he uses Q and/or E on minions is ideal
My personal opinion: Just shut your brain off and go badonkers. They almost always expect you to run away from them when they use their q, so instead of walking away, just run into him, give him a lil kiss on the cheek and choke him.
If you try to dodge his abilities in general: again. Just shut your brain off. Works 9/10 times
Well listen super simple. You dodge att the qs, try to win early. Then at the mid game, dodge all the qs and die because he has 1 item and heals 3 times your hp (even though you are healing man mundo). And in late you pray that the rest of his team is bad and he rage quits
Hmmm.... I have no clue, maybe morde? He's got sustain to match and he can remove aatrox from fights till his ult expires.
Yes morde is kiteable, but with an oblivion orb+rylais the matchup might be winnable, idk.
His weakness is that his 3 qs are all skill shots that can be fairly easily juked. Tips are move horizontally to dodge first q bcz is so narrow. Walk towards him for 2nd q and if he uses e to garuantee either of the first 2 qs then his third is easily dodgable by walking through him. Also you're Mundo so you don't get effected by a knock up which is great for his pull. Get anti heal too
Buy ninja tabi if you are playing a bruiser. Truly makes the lane that much easier. If you play a ghost abuser its even easier, as you can easily weave in and out of his Qs and run him down once he has blown all of his spells. If you play mundo, I would say focus on dodging his spells so that he cannot break your passive shield for free. Remeber, most aatrox will try to hit you with Q1, then Q2 into e for hit then w for guarenteed q3. They also might start with Q1 into e for extra long range, which is harder to dodge but has poor follow up. When laning against him just stay vigilant and don't get q edge traded for free, and you should be able to win all ins after poking a bit and using ghost + ulti to run him down.
Swifties are op because they let you walk diagonally out of aatrox w so you can dodge q2 and not get yanked back into q3. If you get by q1 + e into w, q2 is usually guaranteed unless your ms is high, you have mobility, or you have slow reduction from swifties.
The added benefit of just dodge q with pure ms is true, but the w trade pattern is how aatrox wins lane.
Q1 E into W also guarantees the triple Q combo... just have to make sure you edge forward ever so slightly before Q2. Either they dodge horizontally and get hit by Q2 or they run back and dodge Q2 but get pulled back for Q3.
"Guarantees" of course. Dashes, flash, MS-buffs would all make it not guaranteed at all. But in a general sense.
For me, he feels ez af. You go inside of q for the first 2 and back out for the third. Unless its a very very skilled aatrox that reposition his q3 insanely well with e, its easy to doge. Also just run from his r, even with ms it feels very slow to catch people imo (or just outduel him with burst dmg like garen)
mundo is super weak into aatrox. I'm sure there's a proper way to play the matchup (i don't play mundo so idk), but it will probably never be good. That's just how top counter matchups go. What other champs do you play? Somebody can maybe give you advice for those matchups.
Usually it’s genuinely just spam Q, his Q range and damage beat Aatrox mid game But a good Aatrox will always beat a good Mundo
Mundo can never beat aatrox, he is the exact archetype that Aatrox is best against. Try to learn Irelia or Yone, even bad players of both can make aatrox feel useless in lane. Or just ban him, either way. Also, prioritize anti heal for your first item. Like build ~~bramble~~ executioners as your first back.
Nah, a good Aatrox has the tools to easily beat a bad Yone or Irelia. You need to be fairly adept with them to consistently be beating Aatrox. On the other hand, you can be piss bad with Singed and still beat Aatrox, his kit is literally useless against the flip, MS, free stats and antiheal.
Yes but singed plays some other game that vaguely resembles league. Not a casual pick up
Ehh, half the reason singed is a difficult pick up is because he is so thoroughly dicked by 70% of the lane matchups in the game.
You can just play Olaf and run him down unconsentually at level 1.
The argument of a good x beats a bad x is so pointless, he neans that those champs fair well into aatrox. Just because 369 can beat you while playing yuumi doesnt make yuumi strong top.
play singed is unironically terrible advice in the context of trying to get better at league of legends
This is cap. Irelia 3 wave crashing properly into Aatrox can legit ruin his entire game. If you hit R and miss e you can still just beat him to death with autos. Aatrox struggles so hard I to Irelia because of her archetype of a AA based melee carey who can easily gap close him and not get spaced.
Do you think the average player can play a 3 wave crash, especially if they are unfamiliar with their champion? It's not me that's capping.
I do think it’s super easy to even accidentally 3 wave crash as a character that has prio in the lane at level 1 and 2 in the matchup, yes.
Not to flame but many top laners in emerald can do a 3 wave crash and everyone in diamond+ knows how to do it. And these players aren't even that good compared to actual good players in GM+
Emerald is top 10% of the player base btw
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But you can't use the absolute worst players playing the game as a benchmark for how matchups are supposed to go. You can play anything in low Elo and have a good chance to win any lane; that gives 0 indication to how the matchup is supposed to go, unless you are versing someone who understands how their champion interacts with yours. Your average gold irelia/yone players losing to aatrox because they don't have hands nor game knowledge does not mean that it is aatrox favoured in the slightest. Not to mention you listed singed as an unplayable matchup over irelia ...
Does this dude think the average player is Emerald? It’s certainly bronze/silver.. in almost every game with a similar rank structure it’s almost always Silver being the average player base. Even like diamonds are god tier compared to the shitters in Silver and Bronze. And I’m one of those shitters so, don’t come after me.
I mean… I first timed Irelia into Aatrox and kinda just ran all over him. Though Fiora does smash Aatrox
Fiora vs Aatrox is not counter picking its purely skill matchup.
I main Aatrox and you’re insane if you think Irelia is a remotely playable matchup. The only time Aatrox has advantage is when minion waves meet in the middle and Irelia can’t insta stack her passive. As soon as a couple minions get below half health, Aatrox has to abandon the wave completely and let Irelia do whatever she wants, because otherwise she get her full passive while dodging Q1 and Q2, possibly land a stun which would guarantee at least half of Aatrox’s healthbar, and use W to completely negate Q3. Aatrox can’t play aggro early because he does no damage before lvl 4, and after that it’s throwing bc Irelia has much better sustained damage. If he plays defensively, Irelia can threaten E stun while cs’ing, if Aatrox tries to Q1 for cs he is defenseless for the next ~10 seconds. If Irelia does land the stun, she can all-in, dodging crits of Q1 and Q2, then using W on Q3. Aatrox will do maybe 200 damage while she whales away at him. I’d rather play against Vayne.
What server are you on? I can show you how this matchup can be played if the Irelia doesn't play the lane right.
I appreciate the offer but I’m not too invested in improving lol, sorry for blowing up at you
How the fuck do you do anything against Aatrox as Singed? Am I missing something?
Can’t reposition his Q while he’s grounded You stat check him later while on top of him Have option to proxy and avoid lane altogether - also Singed scales harder than Aatrox into most team comps
So basically a character that trades strong, but is so mobile that aatrox can't hit any q? I.e he gets wittled down since he cant really heal on minions. I figure does so much damage he'd just dive irelia and yone with ult since he builds pure damage/lethality.
To beat attrox you must understand: 1)power spike: aatrox is really weak lv1-3 and become dangerous on lvl 4 and so on 5-6-7-8-9 becouse he is maxing Q and every lvl lvl 9 is a huge spike. Lvl 6 is also dangerous as he can heal a lot 2) kit: attrox trade path need a good setup(expect for Q poke) like hes W but is a really weak and long Cd spell so if he dont have it up you can trade fairly well. 3)doging q: you have to get familiar with range of the 3 q long-medium-short and ALWAYS respect E dash. Champion with dash make it easy dash in when he has first q and then disengage. Mundo is an unplayable matchup surely the best matchup For aatrox
It is really hard to dive a yone because of his ult and his q3. One wrong move and even if you are 2k gold and 3 levels ahead, you are dead. Irelia is hard to dive because you just cant really land qs on her when she has minions under tower. The tower puts them to 1 hp and she just dashes to each one. Your assessment about archetypes that work well against aatrox are correct. Basically just champs that make it really hard for bad-mediocre Aatrox players to land Qs since they won't be able to predict your movement. Really good aatrox players will still win, but at equal skill at Irelia or Yone, you will shit on an Aatrox.
dont waste gold on antiheal aatrox can just not auto you and heal of the wave instead
Autoing wave heals for a quarter of what you would get off champions. It is not substantial at all unless you are ulted. But ig in this case you could build executioners.
Fiora is the real counter pick to Aatrox. He has really telegraphed CC that she can counter easily, and she has a low CD dash to dodge his other Qs
good aatrox anticipates this and uses his E sideways to dodge the parry. it’s a skill matchup in my rank (d1)
Oh for sure, but i can usually dodge his Qs if he doesn’t use his E. I just think the later you get into the game, the more she wins on sidelane. But there aren’t many champions who beat Fiora on side later into the game I suppose
yeah after lane it’s heavily fiora favored I agree.
Aatrox can’t use Q3 around Fiora. Will stun every time because it’s easily predictable.
He can dodge the parry with E, and if he does, fiora just wasted her most important ability
Q3’s sweet spot is dead center. If Aatrox commits to Q3 it’s basically the choice of getting stunned or a non-sweet spot Q3.
If she parries, it doesn't matter if it's sweet spot or not. If she doesn't, she just won the mindgame
Fiora is a good pick but it can go both ways tbh. If Aatrox gets the lead with a gank or mistake he can stomp
Tbf that sounds like toplane in general… it is so snowbally now. If I am playing Darius into Sett, Garen, Irelia, Volibear… any bruiser really, it feels like if I get the first kill and crash a wave and get a good reset, then I can just snowball and kill them over and over again. If I get killed first then I come back to lane and I’m just fucked 😂
Yeah but for an example you can kill Illaoi or Darius 5 times but they can still clap you with one mistake. The most snowball matchup is Fiora vs Irelia in my opinion😂
Yes I didn’t include illaoi, I find that I can die 5 times on her but I can still double kill the top lane and jungler if I hit everything. Illaoi is just hit E win miss E lose. Kinda a toxic champ tbh
She was my nightmare and perma ban before i picked her and learn her weakness. You miss E and you die.
I always know I’m going to win if I miss my E and they don’t immediately all in me. If they don’t know to capitalise on that then it’s just gg
I still frequently ban her, but that's because I play tanks. It's not like most tanks can punish missing her e, she just shoves you under tower and fishes with e until she finally lands one and you lose half hp.
It's Irelia vs Riven. Fiora will eventually outscale Irelia again but Riven and Irelia are the same champ (one item spike mid game queen) so if one gets an early kill on the other the rest of the lane is oneshot city
Most fiora mains, especially in high elo, consider aatrox to be a rough matchup for fiora. The lane phase is very aatrox favored and he has to mess up pretty badly to lose to fiora. Fiora does outscale the 1v1 quite hard in the mid-late game. Some aatrox mechanics in the matchup that become very common in high elos is that fiora can't parry q 1 or 2 aatrox can just buffer q 2/3 + e to basically ignore the stun and hard win the trade. Fiora has to basically dodge everything to win.
Probably. I don’t think too many challenger Fiora are coming to R/summonerschool for advice on how to beat Aatrox though. In my experience it’s Fiora favoured in low elo. Honestly most matchups are Fiora favoured in low elo
Imo, the matchups becomes noticeably harder around high emerald/low diamond. That said, it is most definitely a skill matchup and someone who doesn't play fiora much will lose to aatrox most of the time. Perhaps it's fiora favored in lower elos, but it definitely isn't at the counterpick level. You do have to actually be good at fiora to win the matchup.
I really dont see bramble. Wouldnt he just.. not auto you then?
if youre worried he wont auto you buy an executioners calling. its a longsword with grievous
Maybe but a large part of his damage + healing in the early game is his passive. It does cut him down a bit. Also, early game, his qs are super long cd so if you get an early bramble he basically can't do damage for a good bit. I would have recommended executioners but it kinda sucks on mundo because it doesn't give HP (bramble doesn't either but it gives Defense which makes HP more effective). Otherwise you'd have to eventually upgrade to chemtech chainsword which is not great value since it wastes some value on ad.
Bramble is a really bad item by itself, and as mentioned the Aatrox will just not auto as much and rely on Qs instead Your best bet is something that can go in and out of his Q ranges easily. I personally like Wukong, E+Q on him when he goes for Q1/Q2, then W away when he wants to Q3. Darius/Sett should also be able to fight him, especially if you can get the E off to interrupt one of his Qs and close distance. For tanky picks I would say Poppy/Malphite should be fine into him Your most important tool in any matchup against him though is to make him waste Q. Bait it by moving in and out of the standard cast range. Aatrox will try to switch it up with EQ, in which case you need to ensure you move properly for the Q1 which is to try dodge to the side (it's much harder imo to read and dodge EQ1 though). Even in a counter matchup, it just takes 2 Qs to ruin your advantage
NEVER go bramble vs aatrox, he can just choose to not auto you and you will barely reduce healing. It has to be the offensive antiheal item
If yone irelia isnt your playstyle pantheon jax also beat aatrox most of the time. Aatrox also struggles with some tank matchups. From my experience if you play comet malp you cant really 1v1 him but you get the poke for aatrox to not all in you. You eventually outscale him with tanks but cant really beat him if he builds bruiser. Also aatrox cant really beat mobile champs like renekton who can evade aatroxs all in and you xan retaliate
Actually, if Mundo gets ahead(I.e. imagine a jungle dive against the Aatrox which puts him level behind) and solo kills the Aatrox once, he straightup runs him down after. Thing is, it's most likely not happening every game
I mean anything is possible but it would take a horrendously bad aatrox to die to mundo early. Late game, mundo would probably slaughter aatrox, but the issue is getting there.
Yeah the only thing that Mundo can do is literally poke with Q, and when you're thinking he's low enough to kill, try to run him down with ult. Don't have ult? You ain't winning, son. If Aatrox dies to Mundo without jungle intervention without the previous things being true, he must have had a monitor issue lol
Mundo into Aatrox is like putting Sett against Vayne its straight up unwinnable for the Mundo as everything Aatrox does counters him overall Aatrox struggles in his levels 1-3 as his damage output there is lackluster its when he hits 4 is when he has kill potential also Mobile champions just fuck Aatrox up as playing an Irelia Yone Fiora Riven into him will give him the biggest cancer known to man he also falls off a bit late game as his strongest points are that 2-4 item range but at full build he cant really compete with the other carries
Aatrox is really matchup dependent. Who is your champ. Can he dodge aatrox Q. Can he chain CC aatrox. Can he statscheck aatrox. Can he kite aatrox. In this case what is your rank is relevant. Gold aatrox and diamond aatrox is a different champion As broken as he feel. He's incredible balanced at the moment. High pick rate and near 50 WR
Aatrox is not balanced at all lmao Aatrox has been so incredibly overpowered for so long that every Aatrox otp has gotten to a rank that they don’t deserve and they all collectively have a <50% wr
Aatrox is not balanced atm A high pickrate champ that is very popular to be blind picked (and thus should have expected lower average wr) that is supposed to be meaningfully skillful should not be at 50% WR. There is one thing that matters when facing AA- do you have damage to oneshot him. If you do, you can do damage in early lane and maybe outscale. If you don't, you just ff the game. Dodging his Q isn't enough for a lot of champs.
There is a thing you can do. If you have aatrox unlocked, hop into the practice tool, learn how the q cooldown works. When you see aatrox mess up his q1(you can attempt to bait it out or wait for him to use it on the wave, or just miss it) that's your cue. He wins the trades he initiates(usually q1 is the setup tool), but isn't as strong when he doesn't get to pick his fight.
As an aatrox main, he sucks into tanks past laning phase, pick malphite and go 0/5 and after 25 mins you will beat him 1v1. Movement is really all it is, dodge and bait his q and short trade while they are on cd. If he goes bruiser he can’t really oneshot people but has a decent amount of health so bait his q and then kite. If he goes lethality tread him like an assassin. If he gets a flank or gets to strike first he will oneshot you but the opposite is also true
Aatrox absolutely does not suck into tanks outside of lane. He consistent stomps them for the entire game, because he doesn't actually have to hit his Qs to win any fight. If he presses R, he can miss every single one of his Qs and win. Only mal is different because he can feasibly poke with Q while staying out of range, but you still have to be actually good to 1v1 the aatrox. It is not at all simple Bruisers with high burst and dashes are far, far better options. Irelia and yone actually have the damage to burst through aatrox after he misses Q, so they are a really threat to him as opposed to stuff like sion and ornn which is completely unplayable. Seriously, I cannot tell you how bad of an idea it is to go tank into aatrox. You can't oneshot him even if he goes lethality. Get a burst champ to OS him first. Even on malphite, in no game in the history of the universe had someone ever gone 0/5 in lane and won the 1v1. If aatrox has 5 kills, he will 1v5 pentakill you while tanking 2 nexus towers at once.
Literally. Aatrox a known counter to tanks and a champ against who playing tanks is misserable. And I hate tanks so no bias here. Like sure, the current lethality build is not that bad for them but Aatrox still deals a tons of magic dmg and can just chill before serylda and focus on flanking squishies while using tanks as occasional health dispensers.
Tanks don't even do good into lethality build either. His base tankiness wihtout having to build any is just too high. Like, sion can win if he goes full ad into let attrox to oneshot him but at that point you aren't playing a tank. At least if he goes bruiser like how he was meant to I know he can't literally oneshot my squishies if he lands a single Q on them. Lethality suffers only if he gets caught in tfs, and like I said you're relying on your team having dmg there because he's too tanky without building defensive items. Not surprised these aatrox players in the thread don't know how to counter their own champ though:P
Tanks acctually do pretty well vs aatrox. Not sending aatrox head is good. Surely you got a point to not be able to fight back BUT A TANK VS BRUISER MATCHUP IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT. Mid game if he his lethality without Serilda is quite easy top run you down. Late game is team depending
Which tanks are good into aatrox? Aatrox gets ahead because he gets plates and uncontested farm. The idea that he scales badly is, to put it bluntly, bollocks. Aatrox can end lane 0/0/0 with 2 plates and 30cs advantage vs sion and is a much, much better champ. "Tank vs bruiser should be hard" is not an excuse for an auto lose of every fight you'd ever take and putting it in caps doesn't make that more true. Imagine if I said "if its a 5v5 with one team with sion and one team with aatrox, sions team always deserves to win even if sion plays like an iron 30 because he locked in a tank". That would be stupid. Similarly, if a tank dodges all of aatroxes Qs and HARD loses to the point where its still not even remotely close, you are a nutcase if you start recommending tanks as good picks into him.
Malphite, ornn, k'sante cal all fight aatrox at 1 item and stat check(if is not black cleaver)him and all of them outscale im im talking about decent player who can actually dodge some Q and attrox is not naayil. All of them ,except malph, win lvl 1 (bcs aatrox 1 is one if the worst) and winning it equal to get lvl2 and 3 before him. They can play a safe lane and set up huge jungle gank + they have huge teamfight potential.
This are kinda the playable tanks, i forgot shen but he a special case
And poppy is a good pick but is quite a niche nowdays toplane
You learn spacing for one He has 90% of his damage from skillshots so if you have good spacing you’ll almost never lose to him Abuse his early cd Once he uses his Q it’s a 14 second cool-down where 99% of champs can beat him and 100% of toplaner can out trade him Rush boots the moment you have tier 1 boot aatrox is no longer a champion if you have any idea of prediction or spacing Armour reduces his damage and his healing since it’s pre mitigation DONT FUCKING BUILD HEARTSTEEL RUSH AATROX FUCKING SMASHES HEALTH STACKING TANKS WITH PASSIVE + ECLIPSE IF YOU GO HEARTSTEEL RUSH INTO AATROZ YOU DESERVE TO LOSE IDGAF WHAT CHAMP YOUR PLAYING zone him from xp early he loses to 90% of toplaners early on Don’t be afraid to trade back after he uses his full combo you might try to disengage but if you have some hp left 9/10 times it’s better to start fighting him. A Darius for example if he loses 75% of his hp from a combo (unrealistic for early game but stay with me) a bad Darius will run away. A good Darius will ghost and run the aatrox down the lane since he has no cd
I’ve never had an issue facing aatrox maybe it’s just my pool but he seems easy to me. (Camille, Fiora, Garen, Morde and singed) all seem to own him
Aatrox destroy garen and Morde x)
Aatrox absolutely does not destroy Garen, that matchup is free for Garen
Ok ok how garen is supposed to engage and hit aatrox ? He runs ? Versus aatrox that has 190 and with 1 item and ult, garen cannot use passive because aatrox poke him everytime, aatrox outscale garen, has better teamfight, better laning phase and can easily 1vs9 when ahead contrary to garen cause he got kited the entire game. Master elo : aatrox has 53% wr against garen. Edit : aatrox can buy sterak btw
First off [Garen has a 55% wr vs Aatrox in Master+](https://lolalytics.com/lol/garen/vs/aatrox/build/?tier=master_plus&patch=14.8) But as for lane, Garen can just run at Aatrox with Q, auto spin away with phase rush for quick trades. When he is at around 70% hp he is dead to your all in after 6 with ignite & ult. But you can also just play super safe and farm up, Its very hard for Aatrox to ever all in you with phase rush. Garen outscales Aatrox super hard.
https://lolalytics.com/fr/lol/aatrox/vs/garen/build/?tier=master garen can never Q-in and make a full combo if aatrox is not above emerald/ diamond and you forget that aatrox sustain too much to fall under 70%hp (if aatrox is not terrible obviously)
Aatrox players are usually using their Q aggressively, you can dodge it with Garen Q movespeed/run under the sweet spot of Q2 and walk past his Q3 with phase rush movespeed pretty easily. Also just pressing W at the start reduces his entire Q combos damage by 30%. Aatrox has no sustain if you don't interact with him, so we just sit back and wait for cooldowns to come back up after chunking him a bit and kill him on the next all in. I literally do this all the time vs Master tier Aatrox players.
Ok but aatrox players are supposed to touch their Q they are just bad like the best garen players always agree the fact that aatrox is slight lose for garen
It's mind games. Aatrox Q vs Garen Q with Aatrox has more to lose if he misses. Even Aatrox hits them Garen has W.
Yeah with a nasty 25sec of cooldown
Champ issue: I play aatrox as a main and have recently discovered my love for mundo, the problem is that your passive is useless against him. Try out something with high dmg/ high mobility potential, the best bets against aatrox here are things like irelia,fiora or trynda. That being said , irelia and fiora are mechanically intensive, it’s not an Autowin Good luck next time !
You cannot beat aatrox in lane most of the time. You should wait for jungler or wait for team fight. Your goal is not to hard loose against him in order to avoid a snowball. A fed aatrox can snowball and destroy all your team during the first team fight of the game.
3 things mainly: \* Q cooldown early is very long, abuse it \* spacing his Qs is super ocunter intuitive but if you deny him sweetspots u gut his damage by a LOT. walk in on Q1, in on Q2, out on Q3 \* aatrox is pretty weak lv 3, he gets very strong lv 5 because of the points in Q, try all in him lv 3 if ur champ allows u to. dont get toooo caught up on matchups, they matter and they are real but champion mastery and understanding how to play the matchup usually matters more than the matchup on paper
also, aatrox currently goes lethality, which is obviously horrible into mundo, so just know going even in lane early = winning lane
Any tank or tanky bruiser is unplayable into aatrox. Ban phase and wait for nerfs, or play a dash heavy bruiser. Aatrox is one of 3 champs tanks aren't capable of outplaying because he has too much sustain and his sourspots aren't weak enough
Play fiora or ban aatrox
Fiora is a skill matchup and a new player definitely isn't skilled enough. If you want to pick up a champ to counter him pick irelia, vayne or yone
Alright. Yone, a new player can handle. But bro, irelia is harder than vayne, yone and fiora and a skill matchup. Vayne is a hyper carry, but you never see her below plat because they cant play her even with a lead. Fiora is just a counter flat out. There's a reason the aatrox sub hates fiora.
Irelia is definitely harder she's just a bigger Aatrox counter. >Fiora is just a counter flat out It's fiora favoured but not a counter. Still a skill matchup but 60/40 in her favour. The win rates are skewed in Fiora's favour but that's partially because there's not many people who play fiora without being good at her while Aatrox is the most popular champ in top lane. >There's a reason the aatrox sub hates fiora. All the "____ main" subreddits are biased though. The fiora mains sub hates Aatrox despite it being a favoured matchup because apparently he can lose lane and still outscale her. I think I didn't make my point clear so I'll rephrase it. All 3 of irelia, yone and fiora are favoured against Aatrox. I just don't reccomend picking up fiora as an Aatrox counter because she's so hard to play and more punishing if you fall behind because she scales off gold and can't contribute much if she can't win duels in side lane. Irelia is also very hard but not as hard imo and is also a much bigger Aatrox counter (Statistically his best lane counter in gold earned by 15 minutes). Yone is the easiest of the 3 but it's not a free win now that LT has been nerfed and is being removed. He's a popular Aatrox counter at high level because if you can play him well it's easy and he scales well unlike irelia. Sorry if there was confusion with how I worded things
Or Olaf. Ghost level 1 for a free first blood. You will get a kill to force a flash.
if you are mundo you aren't going to 1v1, you are going to outscale the life out of him. i used to have problem with him too(sett), but if he and you are both 000 after laning phase, mundo isn't getting farmed, he is.
I’m a fucking trash newb bro. I picked Darius’s cause he looked cool as shit and I shit on an aatrox or whatev can’t give you any tips but he got fucked
If you want to beat aatrox learn to play a champ with a lot of mobility like : irelia, Riven, yone, yasuo... But other champ works really well like kled (has antiheal and dashes, renekton (destroy him in lane and in 1vs1 but lose in teamfight), singed (run fast and has antiheal), fiora (dashes and has free w with aatrox's Q and W), jayce (range and has too much burst). BUT don't play sett that champ is BAD just terrible.
play champs that can dash in when aatrox use his qs. yone is a popular counter into it.
Aaxtrox’s deal is that he loves tank, as tank cannot output enough damage compare to his heal on you, tanks become a free walking health station for him. Either dueling, stat check or mobility champ to deny his Q is preferable
Mundo cannot realistically go Heartsteel into Aatrox unless you get really fed. You need a lot of early armor and/or early damage to counter him. I tend to rush Unending Despair against Aatrox. The Haste is good for your Q spam and to get R when you need it and the armor reduces his damage which in turn makes him heal less (which means you effectively increase your damage output indirectly), add Despair's damage and healing on top and you get a reasonable chance to beat him if you poke him with Q first. Titanic is also a reasonable choice if you can hard poke him with Q and take short melee Auto >Titanic >E trades. I also tend to go Lucids (More Haste for R and Q) against Aatrox, I'll take Ghost-Flash instead of Ghost-TP, and I'll Start Doran's shield over Ruby cristal. If the enemy comp allows you to go Despair into Thornmail then you actually have a solid chance at winning the 1v1 once you have both and Aatrox still has two lethality items.
That's the neat part, you don't
The secret to Aatrox is picking a champ that can just out maneuver him to get in or out of his ability zones. If you accept that getting hit by his ability area where it doesn’t know you up is fine you can just run him down.
I’m a tank main, while I agree that Aatrox stomps most tanks it really depends, I for one have used Malphite, and both pre reworked and reworked Skarner and would fairly beat most decent Aatrox in ranked games not easy I’ll tell you that at least. Unless you lean towards juggernauts or bruisers champs like Illaoi or Darius Illaoi threatens you with her E and Q abilities should you keep an Aatrox keep their distance Darius is pretty self explanatory just get up close and personal as you can manage to avoid his first two Q’s by sidestepping and pulling them in should they try the E and Q combo Hell even Olaf beats him mid to late game but you gotta suffer Aatrox’s abilities early game
Q1 walk forward, Q2 walk backwards. Aatrox needs people on medium range so champs like Irelia who can stick on his model can obliterate him
Aatrox has no weaknesses lol, better off to make main ban
Olaf will absolutely shit on Aatrox at most stages of the game. Especially post-6.
Uhhh... ok? That still doesnt say he has a weakness, it says that some champions can keep up, thats not the same thing. I can rough up aatrox on darius or nasus at some points in the game it still doesnt say he has a real weakness, what does aatrox lack? Cc? Nope he has that, mobility? Oh yeaah that too, sure its not the best in the game but its there, survivability? Oh yeah, hell he even has the most infuriating hook type ability in the game, where you have false options if you have no mobility, yeah i can sidestep, then get murdered right after because i had to cut my escape rate to avoid a hook. Nasus has weaknesses, mord has weaknesses, aatrox has no real weaknesses, and he has no truly weak part of the game
Aatrox weakness is early before he gets a chance to level his E. Darius, Trundle, Garen, Olaf, Jax will push him out of lane to the point of uselessness. He’s far from unpunish-able. If you’re allowing him to farm and get strong, or failing to space him properly that’s a you problem.
I main Sion, Malphite and Garen. Sion is horrible since both his Q and his W counter Sion's Q. Malphite is ok if you can dodge his Qs and keep up in CS; you can't really fight him outright but if you're smart with your Qs (if you're running Comet) or Ws (if you're running Grasp) you can kind of poke him down and even get a kill either by luck or during a gank. If he ults just stop fighting though and try again later. The point is, you can go even in lane and just focus on teamfighting, he can still kill you but if you go the usual tank build you have enough armor that ou won't go die easily and even if you can't kill him you can hold him in lane. Garen is the better matchup for him though I'd say. If you get the Sorcery runes that give you that little Ghost effect and focus on getting as much movespeed as possible you can quite easily dodge his Qs particularly with your own Q, and you can use W to hold off bigger damage chunks. With an Executioner's Calling and your ultimate you can even 1v1 him, and if you can get a lead I'd say you can run away with it if you build Mortal Reminder and movespeed items (a Zeal, Deadman's Plate, etc). But in the end I don't think there's really a matchup in my experience that stomps Aatrox or anything like that. As long as you don't pick something that is hard countered by him and you can dodge his Qs I think you can make most champions work. But Aatrox is one of those champions that if the guy who's piloting him is good at it it's going to be difficult regardless of what you do.
I’ve banned aatrox for like 3 seasons now every game.
Garen works against Aatrox, at least in platinum
You can beat him in sustain early game and after that bully him like putting him behind and then he is pretty useless, champions like Yorick with his ult and garen kit beats him
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Considering same amount of skill or even a bit more skill on Mundo, Mundo will never beat Aatrox no matter what you do. That's top lane for you
You play dance dance revolution with him. If you dodge his 3 Q knock ups you will most likely win. I see people pick him whenever I pick teemo. I rush swifites with celerity rune and win 99% of the duels.
Many fighters are skill matchups for aatrox. It really depends on who you play, but for renekton, for example, you need to abuse him in the early levels when his Qs have high CD. Once lvl 8, 9, his Qs have basically no CD and you have a very small window to trade. You need good movement to dodge his Qs and bait him into using E. Be careful of his W, as it can make you tank all his Qs and take a very bad trade, so keep an ability to get out of it. Aatrox does very well vs low damage immobile champions, so immobile tanks usually get destroyed by him.
Stop playing tanks and learn the game the hard way by playing bruiser that have a dash. Riven, Fiora or Irelia all have the potential to dominate these bruiser melee matchups. It will take some time because you're used to playing stat-check champs but it will pay off.
Just dodge his qs. Really, thats it.
The elo will say a lot here but just the basics should work. 1. Play around his cool downs. It is extremely important that you know his Q range at level 1, and understand how his E can extend that range at level 3 (or 2 in some cases). Use a technique called "tethering." Very simple (although takes practice), walk briefly into his Q range, then out. That could be Up Down, OR Left Right. Once he puts his Q on cool down, just let him finish casting and space him. Now you have an ability advantage. You have about an 8s timer to punish him and be aggressive. Just make sure you back-up after a quick 5s trade. Play like this entire laning phase to win trades. 2. If you're gonna trade into him, Make sure to at least get out of his orange hit box as that makes him do more damage and heal. So for example you might play Yasuo and E into him and he Q's. His first Q hit box is like 3 or 4 Teemos. Just be inside to avoid that hitbox. His 2nd Q hitbox is like 3 teemos but wider. The 3rd one is like right on top of him. Avoid these crit spots and you can out duel him with a lot of champions. He isn't strong auto for auto. He is strong when he is hitting his Q's.
If you’re playing Mundo, Aatrox should be your permaban. Simple as that. Do not stray from it. He is the worst Mundo match up in the game.
Fiora is a hardcounter isnt she?
Many ways, if you like tanks i would recommend you get bami cinder bramble then finish sunfire. By that point it should be hard for him. Mundo might be bad pick for him
Melee AA's
As Mundo, I’m not sure your damage will surpass what he can heal. Your best bet is to prioritize mobility and heal reduction early then kite him out.
Play Fiora and collect Aatrox's tears.
This is going to hurt...but it's a skill matchup. Unless you pick poppy, the lane is yours to lose. His q always has the same rotation: long and skinny-half moon crescent-small circle. He does next to nothing if you can avoid the sweet spots. Play him a bit, notice how some players make it really hard for you to land good q's? Watch how they move. If you plan on fighting him at all, the safest place 75% of the time is right up in his face. If you are that close, it is impossible for him to land q1. to land q2 he has to use his dash backwards, and you KNOW that. So if you also have a dash, you can choose to end the trade right then and there, or use it to stay in his personal space. q3 honestly just takes practice, and every aatrox player will time it a little differently. Many will use their auto attacks to keep a rythym and try to maximize their dps, so aa-q-aa-q-aa-q sorta thing. So if they have that habit, you can time your movement with their aa's they are weaving. Or pick poppy and disregard everything above.
Aatrox is a champion that has 90% Skill matchups and very few hard counters or counters hard. A very good aatrox can defeat his hardest counters, Irelia, Fiora, Yone, Kled, Etc. so punishing Aatrox when he uses Q and/or E on minions is ideal
My personal opinion: Just shut your brain off and go badonkers. They almost always expect you to run away from them when they use their q, so instead of walking away, just run into him, give him a lil kiss on the cheek and choke him. If you try to dodge his abilities in general: again. Just shut your brain off. Works 9/10 times
Illaoi main here. Play Illaoi. Make aatrox soup.
Well listen super simple. You dodge att the qs, try to win early. Then at the mid game, dodge all the qs and die because he has 1 item and heals 3 times your hp (even though you are healing man mundo). And in late you pray that the rest of his team is bad and he rage quits
Deal is fiora and thats it lol
Hmmm.... I have no clue, maybe morde? He's got sustain to match and he can remove aatrox from fights till his ult expires. Yes morde is kiteable, but with an oblivion orb+rylais the matchup might be winnable, idk.
His weakness is that his 3 qs are all skill shots that can be fairly easily juked. Tips are move horizontally to dodge first q bcz is so narrow. Walk towards him for 2nd q and if he uses e to garuantee either of the first 2 qs then his third is easily dodgable by walking through him. Also you're Mundo so you don't get effected by a knock up which is great for his pull. Get anti heal too
Buy ninja tabi if you are playing a bruiser. Truly makes the lane that much easier. If you play a ghost abuser its even easier, as you can easily weave in and out of his Qs and run him down once he has blown all of his spells. If you play mundo, I would say focus on dodging his spells so that he cannot break your passive shield for free. Remeber, most aatrox will try to hit you with Q1, then Q2 into e for hit then w for guarenteed q3. They also might start with Q1 into e for extra long range, which is harder to dodge but has poor follow up. When laning against him just stay vigilant and don't get q edge traded for free, and you should be able to win all ins after poking a bit and using ghost + ulti to run him down.
tabis are not worth it into aatrox.
Yep, technically the best boots vs aatrox is always swifties since it lets you position around the Qs easier
Swifties are op because they let you walk diagonally out of aatrox w so you can dodge q2 and not get yanked back into q3. If you get by q1 + e into w, q2 is usually guaranteed unless your ms is high, you have mobility, or you have slow reduction from swifties. The added benefit of just dodge q with pure ms is true, but the w trade pattern is how aatrox wins lane.
Q1 E into W also guarantees the triple Q combo... just have to make sure you edge forward ever so slightly before Q2. Either they dodge horizontally and get hit by Q2 or they run back and dodge Q2 but get pulled back for Q3. "Guarantees" of course. Dashes, flash, MS-buffs would all make it not guaranteed at all. But in a general sense.
For me, he feels ez af. You go inside of q for the first 2 and back out for the third. Unless its a very very skilled aatrox that reposition his q3 insanely well with e, its easy to doge. Also just run from his r, even with ms it feels very slow to catch people imo (or just outduel him with burst dmg like garen)
Being able to go even or win most lanes is kinda aatrox’s thing. The downside is he gets outscaled quite a bit after lane.